Monday, July 30, 2007

NAACP: Stop "Piling On" Vick

R.L. White, president of the Atlanta NAACP, has issued a statement denouncing the rush to judgment regarding Michael Vick.
If Mr. Vick is guilty, he should pay for his crime, but to treat him as he is being treated now is also a crime. Be restrained in your premature judgment until the legal process is completed.
The caution against a rush to judgment and the public defense of due process are both consistent with the NAACP's longstanding principles on criminal justice issues.

But the action only highlights the hypocrisy of the organization's approach to the lacrosse case. The organization's representatives, Al McSurely and Irving Joyner, blandly defended Mike Nifong's approach to the case; McSurely penned a guilt-presuming and factually inaccurate memorandum of law; and state president William Barber delivered a character attack on the players inside the Duke Chapel itself.

Perhaps there are reasons other than race to explain the diametrically different responses. But, sadly, other explanations do not come immediately to mind.

Hat tips: D.K., H.T.

71 comments:

Anonymous said...

"Perhaps there are reasons other than race to explain the diametrically different responses"

Hardly. IMO, the NAACP is one of the most racist organizations in America.

Ken
Dallas

Chicago said...

KC-

Don't forget that the NC chapter of the NAACP, to this day has an article up on their website with numerous flat out lies concerning the case.

Anonymous said...

I'm sure none of them will ever discuss the reasons for the differences!

Mike Lee said...

Chicago is right....right now as we speak, the NAACP has this information posted on their website:

"The three defendants they have two mountains to climb. First, they must deflect public attention from their boorish, racist, and illegal behavior by mounting outlandish attacks on the survivor and the D.A. Second, they must deal with a mountain of physical evidence, that is corroborated by, we have reason to believe, accounts of some of the men who were at the party who have cooperated with the police and the D.A. from early on."

Now, with the AG having dismissed the charges and the former DA (who was the only DA crazy enough to bring a case with such a lack of evidence and has since been disbarred as a result) having admitted there was no evidence; there is only one conclusion that can be drawn:

The NAACP is happy to post outright lies on their website if it suits their agenda. Any organization we can say that about has no honor.

Anonymous said...

Perhaps there are reasons other than race to explain the diametrically different responses.


Yes, the reason is that the Atlanta NAACP is totally independent of the NC NAACP. So I don't see how you can equate a city chapter of the NAACP with an entirely different state chapter or even the national NAACP. They all speak independently of each other.

mac said...

Maybe we can arrange a mud-wrestling contest
between the naked PETA chick
(video) and someone from NCAAP's ranks?
Nah. She was kinda cute.
Saw her on O'Reilly (most of her, anyway.)
Go watch it on your own if you really haveta.

But there is an interesting dilemma for the 88: which
side to bet on?

The NC NAACP probably thinks the word "hypocrisy" means "Hip-Hop-Crazy,"
and actually endorses the concept.

Atlanta vs. Durhhhh: may explain why the local NC
NCAAP isn't intelligent enough to have figured out how to change their own website.
Durrhhhh!

Anonymous said...

I am not as worried about the racist comments the NC NAACP has on its web site. What truly worries me is that some really believe it. America is no where near racial understanding in fact we are not much further along than the 1960s.

DAA said...

I think Vick is innocent until guilt is established in a court of law (this does not mean that I can't disagree with the jury). This is the lesson from the Duke Lacrosse Case that I will never forget. Does anyone here think that the Falcon's and Nike have been premature in their dealings with Vick?

Anonymous said...

The fact that the Atlanta NAACP is in Atlanta and the NC NAACP is in NC isn't an "explanation." The question is WHY the Atlanta chapter cautioned against a rush to judgment in the Vick case, whereas the NC chapter led such a rush in the Duke case. Is it because the leaders in Atlanta are more sophisticated, or more committed to due process? Or is it just because Mr. Vick is a CP and the Duke falsely-accused are WPs?

Mike Lee said...

Yes 5:16 I am sure you're right. It is only because the local chapters are each independent and it has nothing to with the fact that Vick is black and the lacrosse players are white.

I am sure that if the Duke lacrosse players had been black and their accuser white the case would have been handled exactly the same. Please give us a break.

Why is it so hard to admit that the NAACP simply abandoned their principles in the Duke case because of the skin colors of the 2 parties?

I guess you must also feel that the line up was not a line up and that the Durham Police did nothing wrong.

Mandelbrot's Chaos said...

I'm shocked that the national NAACP didn't deliver a smackdown to their NC chapter, or I would be if they didn't have a history of electing extreme racists to their top positions. They have become no better than that which they once claimed to fight.

Anonymous said...

...to treat [Vick] as he is being treated now is also a crime.

A crime? How so?

What crime is Nike guilty of? or the NFL?

Was Vick saddled with a $400,000 bond like Seligmann and Finnerty? No. In fact, there was no bond for Vick.

Does Vick have to wait over a year to have his day in court? No. The original court date was less than 3 months after his indictment, but was move out by 8 weeks at the request of Vick's counsel.

Anonymous said...

This is just painful to see. A once widely respected organization pivoting not on principle but race.

Distinguishing between positions taken by different chapters is hardly reasonable. Either to organization supports a presumption of innocence in all cases or it doesn't. If the national organization does, it should rein in the NC deviant right away.

I suspect the most sucessful African Americans don't pay attention to the NAACP anymore, having no need of it. The shell is taken by victimology advocates who cannot see that a lot has changed since the 1950's.

I guess we ought to at least be grateful it didn't send people to intimidate the defendants in the courtroom as other organizations did.

Anonymous said...

"They all speak independently of each other."

Sophistry. Not anywhere near good enough.

rrhamilton said...


Anonymous said...
"Perhaps there are reasons other than race to explain the diametrically different responses."


Yes, the reason is that the Atlanta NAACP is totally independent of the NC NAACP. So I don't see how you can equate a city chapter of the NAACP with an entirely different state chapter or even the national NAACP. They all speak independently of each other.

Jul 30, 2007 5:16:00 PM


lololol! Yes, just like we shouldn't blame the entire Klan for the actions of a few bad apples!


DAA said...
I think Vick is innocent until guilt is established in a court of law (this does not mean that I can't disagree with the jury). This is the lesson from the Duke Lacrosse Case that I will never forget. Does anyone here think that the Falcon's and Nike have been premature in their dealings with Vick?

Jul 30, 2007 5:34:00 PM


Remember "innocent until proven guilty" is a legal fiction. That is, Vick is already either innocent or guilty of the charges, and only the court charged with his trial has a duty to pretend he is innocent until the end of the case.


Mandelbrot's Chaos said...
I'm shocked that the national NAACP didn't deliver a smackdown to their NC chapter, or I would be if they didn't have a history of electing extreme racists to their top positions. They have become no better than that which they once claimed to fight.

Jul 30, 2007 5:49:00 PM


The second "A" in NAACP should tell you all you need to know-- the NCAAP is not, as many falsely believe, an organization with a goal of equality. "Advancement" doesn't stop when one has "caught up."

If Vick were white, he would've been already convicted in the press, banned from the NFL forever, and, if not actually awaiting trial behind bars, hiding out in "rehab".

R.R. Hamilton

Anonymous said...

Seems to me that the NAACP is caught between a rock and a hard place concerning the unequal treatment of Vick vs Lacrosse hoax.

Staying silent exposes them to hypocrisy.

Speaking out exposes them to racism.

It is a no win situation for them. Either way they've been had and they did it to themselves.

Anonymous said...

Fairness? Forget it. It's not about being fair, it's all about the agenda and keeping on message, regardless of who it hurts or how it appears. It is simply a brazen in your face, I don't care what you think agenda which is race-based. But it's not the KKK. It's another racist organization that wasn't always racist. It's the NAACP.

Anonymous said...

The actions of the NC NAACP in this case were deeply disturbing as Barber, McSurely and Joyner went beyond the traditional model of NAACP litigation support to that of attempting to lynch obviously innocent defendants.

In the past, the NAACP took a DEFENSIVE role in most litigations, seeking to protect the rights of African-Americans (e.g. Vick). In the Duke Hoax, the NC NAACP took an OFFENSIVE approach, attempting to do actual harm to defendants.

I believe that the NC NAACP adopted a Chan Hall-esque view of the case because:

(1) McSurely and Joyner are very intelligent;

(2) Joyner actually wrote the BOOK on criminal procedures in North Carolina;

(3) Joyner was very familiar with DNA evidence as well as the normal evidence available in a rape claim;

(4) Joyner and McSurely had access to actual Duke Hoax evidence unlike anyone other than the parties, their attorneys, and possibly K.C. Johnson; and

(5) Joyner was the official "monitor of the case for the NC NAACP.

My question: Why would the NC NAACP adopt a "Chan Hall" attitude of lynching innocent White defendants for a past history involving the lynching of innocent Black people? Are they aware of the recent state of Black-on-White crime, especially murder?

According to the Tuskegee Institute, from 1882 to 1951, 3,437 Blacks were lynched. The NAACP claims that, between the years 1889 and 1918, a total of 2,522 Blacks were lynched.

According to FBI-compiled statistics, in just the nine-year period from 1995 to 2004, there were 2,941 more Whites killed by Blacks than vice-versa. That is just nine years, and the 2,941 number only includes "single offender" murders.

Additionally, the worst year for Black-on-White murders in that nine-year period were 1996 and 1997, when, in each of those years, 311 more Whites than Blacks were killed by "single offenders" from the other race. The worst year for lynchings was 1892 when 161 Blacks were lynched.

I can abide the media, the government and others failing to highlight Black-on-White crime, but when people like Chan Hall apparently use twisted logic in highlighting past lynchings as a "reason" to lynch present-day people, then I think we should open our eyes to all the facts.

_________________

"K.C. Johnson opened a big can of worms, but you need to when fishing for truth." Ancient American Proverb. My opinions ONLY! Gregory

Duke1965 said...

I'm reminded once again of Prof. Wallace's statement that the lacrosse players had high-priced lawyers to speak out for them, so he apparently felt that he didn't need to speak out........... the "new due process" seems to be that if you're a minority or female, you're entitled to full due process, but if you're white and perceived to be well off, your tricky high-paid lawyers will get you off anyway, so there's no need for due process.......... this is truly crazy.... if due process can be subverted against well-off white males, who's next? This is a very dangerous game..........

Anonymous said...

I completely agree with the Atlanta branch of the NAACP regarding Michael Vick. The tremendous outcry against him has been very disturbing in light of the fact that there is no conviction.

However, the NAACP, no matter what arm, is truly vile in putting forth this opinion in light of their stance on the three Duke lacrosse players.

Do they think we are all as stupid as those who swallow their racist drivel?

mac said...

7:31
Remember: it's now "racialist," not racist.
So sayeth Demigod Wallace, the sharpest man this side of a wax candle.

wayne fontes said...

HMMM, the NAACP vs PETA. I can't think of two groups that deserve each other more.

It's actually so perfect it seems more like an episode of Celebrity Death Match on MTV.

Johnny Patel said...

I've been looking around on Amazon.com and I can't find the book that the NAACP must have made standard reading for its representatives just prior to March of last year. Does anyone know the ISBN for "How to go from a Respectable Civil Rights Organization to a Racist, Hypocritical Laughing Stock in Two Easy Scandals"?

inman said...

Michael Vick is a horrible role model for all those ghetto enslaved youth, young children who only know athletic prowess as an escape from the strangulation of a freedman ethic, young children whose minds imprint escape through only hoops or passes or sometimes speed.

I don't know the statistics, but for every child who escapes an impoverished childhood by athletic prowess, I suspect there are 100's of others who thought too much of their ability, or who allowed their education to suffer with a consequent ineligibility to pursue their athletic gift, or who simply succumbed to alternative avenues to goodies advertised all too often on TV or radio or billboards or by friends.

When Cornwallis yielded at Yorktown, the British band played the "World Turned Upside Down."

Well, now is a time that that same tune should play...for when a thug from a family that seems to produce criminal behavior with consistency (Vick's brother has also displayed thug behavior)...when a thug is revered even though he is a thug and a POTENTIAL FELON with seemingly positive proof, ...when such a thug garners the support of organizations such as the NAACP,...

...then surely the world has been turned upside down.

Vick, if found guilty by a court of compentent jurisdction, should be sentenced to the maximum allowable sentence.

Vick, although Black, is no different the the white "n____r", Paris Hilton.

Let the world know that bad behavior is punishable.

Lar said...

Here is where it gets interesting. The NC NAACP may have had some history already in the file about CGM so they redirected interest in the case via race, sex, priviledge to impact race sensitive follks in Durham. Just look how quickly Al Sharpton and JJ became invisible and Jesse Jackson still to this day reneged on his promise to pay for CGM eduation. I beleive they knew the accusation was a false accusation and that CMG was more than just a stripper.

Now the Altanta NAACP is presented with quite a challenge. One of the accused is going to plea bargain. Who does the NAACP support now in this case. The popular Vick or the plea deal. Why has the Atlanta NAACP not said that all the accused are innocent until proven otherwise. Why are they only talking Vick? Are they all not innocent until proven otherwise? Or is it that the NAACP only cares about who can get them the most money and the most headlines.

As a white man, I was a much bigger supporter of the NAACP back when they fought hard for justice for everyone...not just the famous and rich. They are now IMO passe.

Anonymous said...

R.L. White of the Atlanta NAACP advises restraining premature judgment until the legal process is completed. Very good. Can't fault him there.

I'd be interested to hear this man's opinion of the "restraint" shown by the NAACP regarding the Duke hoax.

I wonder if he - or anyone involved in the NAACP (let's say, outside of Durham) - really thinks that that evil bufoonery advanced the cause of colored people? I hope that they see that their mulish quest for vengeance against whitey in Durham makes laughable their current cries for due process.

Anonymous said...

Is Vick a Communist?

Anonymous said...

6:02 poster:
Great post! You save me a lot of typing.

Anonymous said...

I heard about the NAACP support Mike Vick this morning on Mike and Mike...the first thing that came to my mind was how they treated the Duke lacrosse hoax...I knew KC would be on top of it!

mac said...

I'd love to see Nancy Grace and Wendy Murphy comment
on Vick's troubles, each trying to outscreech the other:
both howling like a pair of pits, snarling and circling -
maybe even biting one another!
The bug-eyes of Grace and the snarley, snarky smirk of Murphy
could entice even the strongest
of us to swear-off peyote forever.
Just kidding. Meant caffeine.
"Just say no" to java.

(Hope this dogfight description doesn't arouse any of the 88,
as they seem rather easily aroused,
based upon comments of some of the
more disturbed trolls in recent weeks.)

If Vick is found guilty?
What did the potbangers do with those signs?
Store 'em over at Wahneema's
next to the charcoal grill?

As to whether or not this is a "racialist" screed:
I honestly don't know what race the dogs were.

Anonymous said...

One crucial difference in the treatment of the LAX players and Vick: The rush to judgment in the Duke LAX case was BEFORE any indictments were made. In fact, the rush to judgment arguably was a factor that led to the indictments.

Whereas in Vick's case, the actions of the NFL and Nike came AFTER the indictment and nearly 3 months after the raid on the dog fighting operation and the revelation of Vick's ownership of the property.

The gap between the news of the raid and the outrage now being expressed, not to mention the guilty plea of one of the accused, strongly argues against a rush to judgment.

Anonymous said...

To 8:26

Ghetto enslaved youth?

They're not enslaved except by their own minds and their culture.

Anonymous said...

Is Duke a state school?

Anonymous said...

As with this entire case, there are layers of irony. The consequences of the Duke lacrosse case is going to benefit persons on the lower end of the economic scale more than anybody else. At least to the extent this case begets improved procedures and improved adherence to existing procedures by the DPD and DA. Its these procedures that citizens who can't afford competent legal counsel rely on.

If the NC NAACP wants to help their consituency, they should be leading the fight for due process, rather than blindly taking positions based on skin color.

Anonymous said...

Addition to 10:08's point of view: Another difference in these cases is that in Vick's situation there is hard evidence that crimes did occur. In the Duke case there was no evidence a crime occured at all. Rushing to judgement where there is significant evidence of a crime with inhumane cruelty might be excusable. Rushing to judgement where there is not one tiny spec of evidence that any crime occured is not excusable.

Anonymous said...

10:13
No.

Anonymous said...

We know nothing about Vick, except he owned the property, owned and started the kennell, was seen at dog fights and one of his faithful "crew" plead out. I will wait for the trial, but sure looks like they got the evidence. Unlike the Duke Case, where there was no evidence. OOps - forgot Duff's " There is a body of evidence that supports Nifong" - No forgetting Duff.

Rebel POW said...

KC,

Thank you for highlighting this... when I saw this article this morning it was one of those "are they kidding?" moments.

Talk about no credibility.

no justice, no peace said...

Inre: "...NAACP is one of the most racist organizations in America."

One wonder what others you had in mind. The NAACP stands tall as racists. I cannot deliver any other that comes close. Which organizations do you have in mind?

No justice, no peace said...

Gregory, inre: the Tuskegee report...you left out something that is amazing. I recall that since the '60s there have only been three lynchings. If one listens to the Gang of 88, the NAACP, the press, and those that abet, one would surmise there have been three black lynched on the Duke campus last weekend.

Like Marxism the entire basis of their victimhood is built upon either false or dated information that has not current basis. They are frauds.

They are quick to throw out Till's name but will NOT discuss the number of people, including blacks, murdered by blacks every week.

Gary Packwood said...

KC said...

...Perhaps there are reasons other than race to explain the diametrically different responses. But, sadly, other explanations do not come immediately to mind.
::
Outright fear comes to my mind.

There are many animal rights folks and especially folks who supports the Children's Zoos in the USA who are not at all shy about telling the world that they care for and nurture their animals more appropriately than 'certain parents' care for and nurture their ...own children.

The NAACP does not want to be on the receiving end of the public wrath from the Zoo people.

Dog fight! Get thee behind me.
::
GP

inman said...

Let us not forget that the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People is now, in modern terminolgy, the National Association for the Advancement of People of Color...

...or NAAPC...

..emphasis on PC

Anonymous said...

Nike's contract with Vick undoubtedly contains all sorts of clauses where even accusations of conduct unbecoming the brand enable them to back off their spokesperson.

So screw Vick. The simple fact that the NAACP is whining about due process is nauseating, and starkness in comparison to the Lacrosse case is apparent.

Anonymous said...

I don't think the NAACP's racialism is a good reason for us to potbang Vick
DAA

Anonymous said...

There is already creditable evidence that a crime occurred on Vick’s property. In the Duke case there was no evidence of a crime, outside of underage drinking and probably noise violations.

It also seems obvious that Taylor is going to testify that Vick was involved in Dog Fighting. Again a jury could look at Taylor’s testimony and discount it but there is a witness.

While I will continue to monitor the evidence to see if something appears to change my mind, (something the local NAACP never did) at this point and time it looks bad for Vick.

Anonymous said...

Theres is no way vicks is goimg to be found quilty in atlanta.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Is Vick a Communist?

Jul 30, 2007 9:09:00 PM

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Please, grow up--enough of this idiotic stuff. It's not funny and lowers the overall quality and seriousness of this site.

Anonymous said...

Carolyn says:

"Perhaps there are reasons other than race to explain the diametrically different responses. But, sadly, other explanations do not come immediately to mind."

KC, you are the master of understatement.

Anonymous said...

NAACP? Most street blacks have never heard of it. Only white liberals give the organization any credence. For the rest of us, its difficult to distinguish between NAACP and the new black panthers now that the panthers are wearing suits.

haskell said...

I believe the NAACP is taking a pre-emptive stand based on the inner-city demographics of pit bull fighting. I have no data to support this, demographics of the dog fighters are difficult to dig out. Ironically, NPR did have an article, using "code words".

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=12104472

Black football players have spoken out in support of Vick:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,274636,00.html

I believe the NAACP is speaking up simply to ingratiate themselves with their base of support in the black community in light of rumors of dog-fighting being a "black thing".

haskell said...

anonymous 1:50

In every thread, statements like "Is Duke a state school?" and "Is Vick a Communist?" are posted by a disgruntled G88 supporter who has nothng else to say.

Anonymous said...

Once again, I'm amazed by how naive some people are. What do you think Michael Vick and his posse have been doing, listening to opera and attending the theater? They're black; this is what thug blacks do. Who cares??? If it wasn't dog fighting, he'd be pulling drive-by shootings in downtown atlanta.

I know you clowns on this site like to pretend that the only difference between blacks and whites is skin color, but that's not true. the lax case and the vick case show that blacks are at least different in their view of justice and in their choice or spectator sports.

WINDBAG

Anonymous said...

Watching the NAACP's recent activities, the blatant racism of the group is obvious to me. Just for the sake of fairness we should bring back the White Citizens' Council that is the caucasian parallel to the NAACP. We need balance, don't we?

Anonymous said...

Re: 1:13 post

I don't think there will be a trial held in Atlanta. The events allegedly took place in Virginia. The federal charges [and state, if any] should be filed and tried in Virginia. IIRC, the federal venue should be the Eastern district and any state charges filed should be tried in either the county of origin or the Richmond docket.

Now, Vick's chances of conviction in the Richmond Circuit are probably about as slim as they would be in Atlanta [star quarterback, a touch of pride in the "local" kid, and the "right" jury demographics (think O.J.)], but at least nobody has an implied financial bias as would be the case if the trial were held in Falcon land.

Ralph Phelan said...

lar:
"Or is it that the NAACP only cares about who can get them the most money and the most headlines."
Well duh.

Ralph Phelan said...

'R.L. White of the Atlanta NAACP advises restraining premature judgment until the legal process is completed. Very good. Can't fault him there.

I'd be interested to hear this man's opinion of the "restraint" shown by the NAACP regarding the Duke hoax.'

How can we encourage the press (maybe someone from Fox) to ask him this at his next news conference?

Ralph Phelan said...

Hey KC - now that you're moderating, why don't you filter out the "communist" & "state school" posts too? Just to save space.

Ralph Phelan said...

"Only white liberals give the organization any credence. "

Now what can be done about that? In particular, how do we get the press to treat them as freak-show like PETA rather than something to be taken seriously?

Anonymous said...

I am a NBA Player Agent, certified and approved by the NBAPA. There are 2 types of contracts: Team/Player contracts which are governed by the respective collective bargaining agreements within some of the specific clauses and endorsement contracts which are specific to commercial endorsements. There are "Morals" clauses in both contract types, as there should be. Hence, it allows for companies to suspend or terminate agreements predicated upon suspected or proven criminal acts, conduct unbecoming which does not rise to a level of actual chargeable criminality, etc. In this instance Michael Vick is a pariah and the well feeding his endorsement deals will dry up. If he is proven guilty you can be assurred that the Atlanta Falcons will SUCCESSFULLY sue him for the return for his signing bonus of over $30 Million in the largest contract in NFL history. This is not about race. This is about Michael Vick's personal conduct and actions. The charges and problems he faces would be the same whether he was white or black. Sadly, you see black athletes becoming involved in these untoward activities at a much higher % than white athletes.

Anonymous said...

i think that there were two anon posts on the NAACP which deserved a hat tip too, at least for analytically pointing out the color bias the NAACP has to favor blacks over whites, especially when a legal lawsuits for money might be available

the NAACP is a shakedown organization that for far to long has gotten away with racial preferences and outright bais...the national organization run by Julian Bond who might as well be the public information officer for a latin or african disctator

its time that the NAACP was deprived of any governemnt funding as it is a subversive organization

Anonymous said...

This is about as good as it's going to get from Barry Saunders. Although, IMO, he doesn't slam Vick enough--what he's charged with doing isn't just "stupid", it's inhuman cruelty--this column is much more objective than I would have expected from him.

Saunders_on_Vick

Debrah

Anonymous said...

Durham attorney Butch Williams is on Vick's defense team. This article profiles him somewhat.

Williams is a nice enough man and a good attorney. He also brought some much-needed objectivity to the Lacrosse Hoax early on as is discussed in this article.....however.....

.....his comments were always really quite tepid and that's how he had to play it and still practice law in Durham. He had to do a balancing act between what he knew about Crystal Mangum and teling all to those who staged an irrational démarche against the lacrosse players.....based on race.

Herein lies the issue: There must always be this kind of avalanche of outrage.....of misplaced self-righteous indignation.....of "victims" who must have their revenge no matter what.....of reliving the tales and the fantasies--some real, many concocted--of past injustices.....etc....

When someone like Williams who is black presents themselves in a very rational and objective way in a given situation, they are automatically lauded as being "heroes"....or as having done something stupendous....

....when all it was...was the truth....the right thing to do.

In this respect, there is a constant "dumbing down" for the black community of their responses to life in general. When anyone conducts themselves fairly in a black-white scenario, we automatically jump for joy! Everyone is so relieved.

That person is elevated for doing what most anyone would do if not for the fact that a large degree of unrestrained black racism has come to be expected.

That was the root of the evil in the lacrosse case and people everywhere need to start demanding a certain code of behavior.....and not just say, Oh well, they're black. What can you expect?

This attitude which has come to be accepted as the norm must be re-evaluated if people are to truly be on that much-trumpeted level playing field.

Williams_on_Vick

Debrah

mac said...

Debrah,
I'm not giving free passes to anyone anymore.
Used to, but no more.
If that means I'm a "racialist" to some,
then they'll just have to deal with it.

No free passes for anyone: if you want respect, earn it.

Anonymous said...

TO "mac"--

The pendulum does seem to have swung back now....toward a kind of rationale and truth I have never known.

I grew up thinking everything black was right, automatically. That whole moral superiority and mass victimhood thing. Wow, have the "victims" bled society on that one! LIS!

Those days are gone....like my childhood.

:>)

Debrah

Anonymous said...

Oh, "mac"--I forgot to say that the "racialist" concoction confuses me. It always sounds as if the person using it has made a mistake....that they really meant racist. LOL!

If I understood the wirey and wretched Maurice Wallace...."racialist" is someone who has a bulit-in preference for those of his own race and a subconscious aversion to other races.....but no outward vitriol or hatred.

As opposed to the garden-variety "racist" who goes about life openly hating other races as do Duke's Gritty Gang of 88.

Nice.

Really, is the word "racialist" another concoction from the cottage industry of mass victimhood and its root causes?

How can I learn all of the latest "in" stuff if I don't ask questions?

Debrah

rrhamilton said...

Inman at 8:26 PM said ...
Vick, although Black, is no different the the white "n____r", Paris Hilton.


Tom, while we all appreciate you adopting the new normative of putting "Black" in upper-caste and "white" in lower-caste, I am reliably informed by my adolescent children that white people who "act Black" are now called "wiggers". See, e.g., http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=wigger

jonathon said...

Indictment means only "probable cause" to believe a criminal act has occurred. Vick is entitled to a presumption of innocence unless and until he is convicted (I.E. the evidence establish's guilt in the eyes of a jury beyond a reasonable doubt.) This is NOT the time to "potboil" Vick. On the other hand the NAACP is fair game for its hypocrisy unless and until it apologizes for the actions of its NC Chapter. When, if ever?????

Ralph Phelan said...

It looks like the NAACP is finally getting some tiny bit of pushback from the press.

Anonymous said...

It looks like the NAACP is finally getting some tiny bit of pushback from the press.
------------------------------------
Interesting clip. The head of the Atlanta NAACP chapter admits that the NAACP got it all wrong over the Duke lacrosse case and has learned from the mistake. Two cheers for him.

Philip said...

"Perhaps there are reasons other than race to explain the diametrically different responses. But, sadly, other explanations do not come immediately to mind."

I'm really confused by this statement. Initially, the media crucified the lacrosse players at Duke, the coach was fired, and the team did not play that year. All this occurred BEFORE there was a trial and convictions. I do not see much different that what is happening in the Vick case. It is human nature to rush to judgement. Case in point: I am an average middle class American White Male. I was falsely accused by a woman that was upset after our breakup. She was dating a police oficer after me, and strange things started to happen, like tickets showing up in the mail, etc... Ultimately, this led to two felony indictments, and five misdemeanor charges being filed. The police never interviewed me, because if they had, I would have provided them with things like plane tickets, hotel receipts, and signed dated contracts from my business trips that showed where I was when these alleged crimes occurred. I filed a civil suit against the woman, deposed her, and showed the video to the District Attorney. their answer, break the charges in such a way to make me try the case seven times. After over 50K in legal fees and losing three jobs, I was spent, and took a plea bargain. The safer argument is that MONEY, and not race determine justice in the United States. Nifong is just the tip of the iceberg, the criminal justice system is severely broken, and I weep for anyone, black or white caught up in it. You want to make a difference, stop highlighting the race card, and shed light on the economic realities. If you want evidence that white guys get railroaded, take a look at the Randall Adams case in Texas. People of color have no monopoly on experiencing injustice in this nation.

Ralph Phelan said...

"People of color have no monopoly on experiencing injustice in this nation. "

Our problem is that the NAACP along with many other people & groups involved in the Duke Lacrosse Burning claim that they do.