tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post1382064000286405663..comments2024-02-24T05:19:10.949-05:00Comments on Durham-in-Wonderland: Carrington, Schoeffel Speak Outkcjohnson9http://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comBlogger70125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-34414166875069839372007-04-09T16:32:00.000-04:002007-04-09T16:32:00.000-04:00Tuition hike 0 I can;t believe what they are getti...Tuition hike 0 I can;t believe what they are getting now for a regional school-only in America.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-75978357569132313582007-04-09T11:35:00.000-04:002007-04-09T11:35:00.000-04:00"Who's going to pay for all these lawsuits?"Those ..."Who's going to pay for all these lawsuits?"<BR/><BR/>Those departments with a "non-negotiable interface with reality" (god, I love quoting myself!). The science, engineering, law and medical schools and departments at Duke are more likely to secure big grants that are taxed through "F&A" and "Overhead." Add to that student fees and tuition as other people have indicated. <BR/><BR/>Meanwhile, the departments that did their best to railroad the students may bring in faculty teaching efforts into their departments and the odd NEH grant but otherwise are effectively worthless when it's time to pass the hat.<BR/><BR/>Thus, the people who engaged in the most misconduct will be taxed the least should Duke need to pay out to the accused. And some programs that had faculty who actively supported the accused may be taxed at a higher rate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-800044007293715632007-04-09T10:13:00.000-04:002007-04-09T10:13:00.000-04:00Who's going to pay for all these lawsuits?Isn't th...<I>Who's going to pay for all these lawsuits?</I><BR/><BR/>Isn't this why we have ambulance chasing trial lawyers? For once in their lifetime, they would be doing something noble.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-67385048755541211642007-04-09T09:31:00.000-04:002007-04-09T09:31:00.000-04:0010:15 is absolutely correct. In the ebbs an flows...10:15 is absolutely correct. In the ebbs an flows of this case, the fewer developments there are over a few weeks the more fanciful the thinking becomes, and the more bickering among us occurs. Students and alumni are more like customers and benefactors, respectively, so a <BR/>Board of Trustees does a poor job of ensuring the future of a university if a large number of its current customers and benefactors are unhappy for the long term about the university's governance. Large scale changes in alumni giving will have an effect. I think many of us overestimate how widespread the dissatisfaction is among alums. It is significant, but probably not enough to force big changes. <BR/><BR/>Jamil,<BR/>The director liability you refer to, I think, is the liability directors have to the shareholders of a corporation, since the shareholders are the owners. A university does not have shareholders, so there is no personal legal liability of the Trustees to individual students for university governance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-57872183811916731252007-04-09T07:13:00.000-04:002007-04-09T07:13:00.000-04:00As I read this post, all I could think of are the ...As I read this post, all I could think of are the civil suits that if justice prevails will result in a huge payout from Duke. It is clear that Brodhead and his rubber stamp board of trustees will continue to do little or nothing to make amends for their shameful actions and inactions, deathly afraid of raising the ire of the group of 88 radicals that have taken over this once fine institution of higher learning (the last two words in that phrase now replaced by "leftist leanings").<BR/><BR/>The upshot of all of this will be a tuition hike that future generations of Duke students will pay for one of the true black eyes in Duke's history.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-40206843668432360012007-04-09T00:50:00.000-04:002007-04-09T00:50:00.000-04:00"Would it be possible to sue the trustees directly..."Would it be possible to sue the trustees directly (as inviduals) ? They have enabled the hoax, constant intimidation at the university, grade retaliators, and racially charged athosphere?"<BR/><BR/>Who's going to pay for all these lawsuits? Wishful thinking. I predict few lawsuits, even though this is America.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-8039965391895485182007-04-09T00:48:00.000-04:002007-04-09T00:48:00.000-04:00"Blathering on about the big changes at Duke that ..."Blathering on about the big changes at Duke that will follow a dismissal of charges is simply crazy thinking".<BR/><BR/>Although this posting is arrogant and unnecessarily abrasive, it is also (likely) correct: very little will change at Duke in the aftermath of this affair. NO faculty will be dismissed, and odds favour Brodhead's survival. Same applies to police: business as usual.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-34794897759606539822007-04-09T00:19:00.000-04:002007-04-09T00:19:00.000-04:00At this point, lawsuits are the only avenue availa...At this point, lawsuits are the only avenue available to those who see the injustice perpetrated by the Duke trustees, the city of Durham and the state of North Carolina.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-42091163530395892652007-04-08T23:16:00.000-04:002007-04-08T23:16:00.000-04:00Would it be possible to sue the trustees directly ...Would it be possible to sue the trustees directly (as inviduals) ? They have enabled the hoax, constant intimidation at the university, grade retaliators, and racially charged athosphere?<BR/><BR/>I think company directors can be sued directly so maybe trustees can be sued, as well. They are clearly responsible for this as they have allowed this to happen on their watch (in fact, they have actively supported Gang88).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-63935145732914510612007-04-08T23:07:00.000-04:002007-04-08T23:07:00.000-04:0010:35Just put your lips together and blow.10:35<BR/>Just put your lips together and blow.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-42608918369556689022007-04-08T22:35:00.000-04:002007-04-08T22:35:00.000-04:00As we great ready for a new week, should we expect...As we great ready for a new week, should we expect more articles in the Duke Chronicle calling for a new way to look at the future for the Duke undergraduate programs?<BR/><BR/>Should we expect an apology or a quasi-apology?<BR/><BR/>How should we respond?<BR/><BR/>GPGary Packwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05177986821224068759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-78474019581289795792007-04-08T22:32:00.000-04:002007-04-08T22:32:00.000-04:0010:15pmAre you resident butt-for-brains Burness?10:15pm<BR/>Are you resident butt-for-brains Burness?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-33336957573720748142007-04-08T22:15:00.000-04:002007-04-08T22:15:00.000-04:009:42PM said:"After dismissal of the charges, I wou...9:42PM said:<BR/><BR/>"After dismissal of the charges, I would hope that the attorneys for the falsely accused would deal directly with the trustees. In doing so, Duke could jettison as many individuals involved in furthering the hoax as possible."<BR/><BR/>This comment is bizzare. Read the Duke University Charter/Bylaws. The Trustees ARE the university. They own it, essentially, for the purposes set forth in its charter. And faculty are accorded specific rights under those bylaws, as set out in the Faculty Handbook (see Provost's site). If you think that Trustees can "discipline" faculty as you suggest, you are delusional. If you think that alumni have a legal role to play in the university beyond having an alumni representative ex officio on the Trustees, you are quite mad. It is not the alumni's university, or the students' parents' university, or the students' university, or the taxpayers of North Carolina's university. Duke is the Trustees university. <BR/><BR/>Wishing otherwise does not make it so.<BR/> <BR/>Blathering on about the big changes at Duke that will follow a dismissal of charges is simply crazy thinking.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-36026797532464907832007-04-08T21:42:00.000-04:002007-04-08T21:42:00.000-04:00Naive to believe that the gang of 88 will ever fac...Naive to believe that the gang of 88 will ever face consequences. Tenure and all, they have too much to hide behind.<BR/><BR/>As for Brodhead, typically administrators do not have tenure. He should definitely update his vita.<BR/><BR/>After dismissal of the charges, I would hope that the attorneys for the falsely accused would deal directly with the trustees. In doing so, Duke could jettison as many individuals involved in furthering the hoax as possible. Each person will be used like a trading card. Of course, Brodhead and a short list of others are automatically in the discard pile.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-1406975441456656742007-04-08T21:20:00.000-04:002007-04-08T21:20:00.000-04:00"Very aggressive and competentlegal help..."And ve..."Very aggressive and competent<BR/>legal help..."<BR/><BR/>And very competent and aggressive<BR/>help from McElroy, Anderson,<BR/>KC (and many others.)<BR/><BR/>Before this case, it would <BR/>have been easier to see <BR/>prosecutor vs. defense attorney<BR/>as something akin to "Alien vs. <BR/>Predator," but the fact that people like Nifong - (and Duke University itself) - actively<BR/>and publicly discouraged legal<BR/>representation for the accused<BR/>makes it clear that inadequate<BR/>representation is not in the<BR/>best interest of justice.<BR/>And overzealous prosecution is<BR/>anathema to a free system that<BR/>calls itself a system of laws,<BR/>and not of men.<BR/><BR/>Of course, it's a stretch to<BR/>look at Nifong and think of him<BR/>as a "man," but...(had to throw<BR/>that one in.)<BR/><BR/>Democracy and Justice take<BR/>lots of attention and energy.<BR/>Thanks to you folks, we should <BR/>sleep a little easier - <BR/>(still with one eye open,<BR/>but easier!) <BR/><BR/>MacAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-65360133207625743192007-04-08T21:19:00.000-04:002007-04-08T21:19:00.000-04:007:32Is it your point that H and L don't like their...7:32<BR/><BR/>Is it your point that H and L don't like their affirmative action?<BR/><BR/>Do you think stupid blacks have a right to teach at elite institutions?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-76066577903272459882007-04-08T21:02:00.000-04:002007-04-08T21:02:00.000-04:00In this situation, the best defense is a good offe...In this situation, the best defense is a good offense. The three families were able to not only get legal help, but very aggressive and competent legal help.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-76164818047896118012007-04-08T20:59:00.000-04:002007-04-08T20:59:00.000-04:00Anonymous 7:17 said... ...I am a lawyer, and someo...Anonymous 7:17 said... <BR/><BR/>...I am a lawyer, and someone very close to me was falsely accused of sexual harassment while he was at university. The university appeared to be prepared to railroad him (in contravention of their own written formal policies) until they received a letter from me threatening litigation if they did not back down. The matter went away, but if left me wondering how many people have been in similar situations who didn't have a lawyer they could turn to without fear of the cost. <BR/>::<BR/>Pretty good reason to have legal insurance. This case may move that reality along.<BR/>::<BR/>Recommended Reading:<BR/><BR/>Grisham, John. The Innocent Man: Murder and Injustice in a Small Town <BR/>His first non-fiction work.<BR/><BR/>The book exposes some of the "behind the scenes" and "under the table" actions of the police investigators, prosecutors, trial lawyers and prison system that process our suspected and convicted criminals and maintain law and order.Gary Packwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05177986821224068759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-49244131753929225372007-04-08T20:31:00.000-04:002007-04-08T20:31:00.000-04:007:32Agreed. The 88 gang should know better.7:32<BR/>Agreed. The 88 gang should know better.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-49260863247321015922007-04-08T19:57:00.000-04:002007-04-08T19:57:00.000-04:007:36Good idea.7:36<BR/>Good idea.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-24118176455145281282007-04-08T19:36:00.000-04:002007-04-08T19:36:00.000-04:00I think KC should add a new feature, both as a ref...I think KC should add a new feature, both as a refresher for the regulars and an edifier for the newbies: "On this date in the Duke Lacrosse case..." <BR/>I'm encountering increasingly more ignorant commentary on the case. A refresher might remind people of just how egregious this case is and how incendiary Nifong's comments appear in retrospect.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-8207915164239749142007-04-08T19:32:00.000-04:002007-04-08T19:32:00.000-04:007:29Stupid and offensive is not a good way to go t...7:29<BR/><BR/>Stupid and offensive is not a good way to go through life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-72976779124423715552007-04-08T19:29:00.000-04:002007-04-08T19:29:00.000-04:00I luve mah afarmativ akshunProfessos Holloway and ...I luve mah afarmativ akshun<BR/><BR/>Professos Holloway and LubianoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-10578074423878611302007-04-08T19:23:00.000-04:002007-04-08T19:23:00.000-04:00Dear Wahneema:I have learned there was an allegati...Dear Wahneema:<BR/><BR/>I have learned there was an allegation of rape (but we all know what really happened) at the University of Minnesota recently. I thought we might come together to make a statement about it in an attempt to alert society about the evil in our midst.<BR/><BR/>One second, I have just been given additional information about the situation and the perpetrators....please disregard.<BR/><BR/>I'll get back to you when I locate some more perfects offenders.<BR/><BR/>KarlaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-69793624335968770392007-04-08T19:17:00.000-04:002007-04-08T19:17:00.000-04:00Re: 5:46 p.m.I am a lawyer, and someone very close...Re: 5:46 p.m.<BR/><BR/>I am a lawyer, and someone very close to me was falsely accused of sexual harassment while he was at university. The university appeared to be prepared to railroad him (in contravention of their own written formal policies) until they received a letter from me threatening litigation if they did not back down. The matter went away, but if left me wondering how many people have been in similar situations who didn't have a lawyer they could turn to without fear of the cost.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com