tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post1730738538232681080..comments2024-02-24T05:19:10.949-05:00Comments on Durham-in-Wonderland: Reflections on the Hearingkcjohnson9http://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comBlogger196125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-69671308829286619772007-06-20T10:11:00.000-04:002007-06-20T10:11:00.000-04:00"Anonymous said... 3:10I will stick to the origina..."Anonymous said... <BR/>3:10<BR/><BR/>I will stick to the original version, thanks."<BR/><BR/>Where "the original version" is the words that <I>you</I> put in other people's mouths, purporting to explain what those other people believe and feel? That explains a lot about how you obtained your current world-view: by refusing to listen when you heard something that challenged your stereotyping.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-38542493405454869192007-06-19T20:30:00.000-04:002007-06-19T20:30:00.000-04:00"'She [Levicy] alone, is responsible for the start..."'She [Levicy] alone, is responsible for the start of this witch hunt.'"<BR/><BR/>That is outright absurd. What was just testified to under oath was that Nifong knew before he talked to the press for the first time that the case was shaky. He was not deluded by the SANE report. He deliberately prosecuted these kids to win an election. Did you happen to watch the Bar proceedings? <BR/><BR/>"Kethra said Levicy actively participated in framing these boys."<BR/><BR/>What Kethra is competent to speak to is whether the medical tests were performed properly and the paperwork completed properly. Kethra has given reasons, plausible to me who am not a nurse or doctor, that neither was done right. Those are, in general, not criminal acts. For one thing, the element of criminal intent has not been shown. Furthermore, there has been no competent tribunal to examine what was done or not done and whether it constituted a failure to meet professional standards. I have said that Kethra has provided enough evidence to indicate that such a tribunal is necessary. Are you in favor of convicting people of criminal acts or depriving them of their livlihoods on the basis of comments in a blog? If so, you have as little understanding of due process as Nifong. <BR/><BR/>"KC hasn't said anything different."<BR/><BR/>I see. We should dispense with due process because KC has not contradicted someone. Somehow, I REALLY doubt that KC is in favor of imposing sanctions without a proper hearing.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12126104394487680318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-8380075696736240992007-06-19T18:06:00.000-04:002007-06-19T18:06:00.000-04:003:10I will stick to the original version, thanks. ...3:10<BR/><BR/>I will stick to the original version, thanks. <BR/><BR/>3:46<BR/><BR/>No, what I said was the study isn't available in its entirety, when another person kindly posted some more information, including that the police department in the unnamed city routinely demanded that alleged rape victims take lie detector tests that cemented my belief that whatever the city was, it most definitely did not treat rape victims respectfully or 'seriously' other than in 'seriously' trying to discredit and intimidate them.<BR/><BR/>I also have said, and nobody has yet been able to disprove me, that a SINGLE study that has never been replicated doesn't mean squat in terms of validity, its an interesting finding, nothing more. His findings do not track wiht any other data on false rape allegations, not even the US Air Force study also from 20 years ago, that found a 27% percent rate of false rape and this is in an enviroment that has many motivations for a woman to make a false report [not supposed to have sex at all/no drinking, etc.] that do not exist in the civilian world.<BR/><BR/>4:06<BR/><BR/>Finally, Kethra has been proven to be full of it! She made one or two valid points all the rest was hyperbole and/or wrong information.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-32046008670013611442007-06-19T16:06:00.000-04:002007-06-19T16:06:00.000-04:00Jeff @10:08And 10:52 and 9:28You should read the w...Jeff @10:08<BR/>And 10:52 and 9:28<BR/><BR/>You should read the whole essay by Kethra, it was published right here by KC.<BR/>The link is up thread. KC also had a three part story all about Levicy that<BR/>said she played a big part of the Hoax.<BR/><BR/>Kethra said Levicy tried to put three innocent boys in jail for 30 years. <BR/>That goes way beyond calling Levicy unprofessional.<BR/>Kethra said:<BR/>"She alone, is responsible for the start of this witch hunt."<BR/><BR/>Kethra said Levicy actively participated in framing these boys.<BR/>KC hasn't said anything different.<BR/><BR/>Now tell me, who is the criminal?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-3788027641948273612007-06-19T16:01:00.000-04:002007-06-19T16:01:00.000-04:00"Old ladies and little girls consent to sexual act..."Old ladies and little girls consent to sexual activity. Also women on the street at night."<BR/><BR/>Let's see, which of the three was Mangum? I guess she <I>could</I> be spending her nights out on the street, when she isn't in hotel rooms demonstrating vibrators in front of couples or swinging on dance poles at strip clubs...<BR/><BR/>Pointing out individual circumstances which are found in <I>some</I> cases which make those cases credible and trying to apply that to all cases including the many which <I>do not</I> meet those circumstances is a very empty argument.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-17995554236961256732007-06-19T15:46:00.000-04:002007-06-19T15:46:00.000-04:00"I know of no information that supports your conte..."I know of no information that supports your contention that the town treated rape victims 'seriously'"<BR/><BR/>Well, <B>duh</B>, of course you don't, you've already told us that you've taken no good look at the Kanin study. Argument from ignorance is a fallacy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-67867353542597556022007-06-19T15:44:00.000-04:002007-06-19T15:44:00.000-04:00The reason Levicy's "rape is not about passion or ...The reason Levicy's "rape is not about passion or ejaculation but about power" is so widely (and corrected) ridiculed is not because it's false, but because in the context where it was offered, it was a complete non-sequitur.<BR/><BR/>Picture this: An alleged crime victim says he was shot in the leg by a mugger. Someone asks the doctor who did the examination "how can he have been shot in the leg? There's no bullet wound in his leg!" The doctor, who is known to feel strongly about muggers, retorts "not all muggers use guns, you know! Most of them are quite happy to use knives as long as they can still mug decent folk in the street!" How is that relevant to the question that was asked?<BR/><BR/>Levicy seems to have believed that her duty was not that of a SANE nurse, to report medical findings, but that of a "victim" advocate, to try and tailor the medical findings to the accuser's story.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-24983291086384584702007-06-19T15:10:00.000-04:002007-06-19T15:10:00.000-04:00"It all depends on what a person's perspective is ..."It all depends on what a person's perspective is on false rape...those who believe false rape is a HUGE problem, at least half of all reported rapes dont' have any sympathy for rape victims because they assume they are lying."<BR/><BR/>Ohh, dear, I see some typos there. You won't mind if I fix them up for you, will you?<BR/><BR/>"It all depends on what a person's perspective is on false rape...those who believe false rape is a HUGE problem, at least half of all reported rapes don't let their sympathy for true rape victims blind them to the fact that selfish and evil people will try to steal that sympathy under false pretenses, and must be distinguished from those who truly do need and deserve sympathy."<BR/><BR/>There, fixed it for you. I do recommend copy-editing before you post in the future, though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-56982110520386160862007-06-19T11:13:00.000-04:002007-06-19T11:13:00.000-04:00I think you're wrong about the toxicology screen, ...I think you're wrong about the toxicology screen, it can detect blood alcohol and the presence of most drugs, legal and illegal, they don't leave your system within 5 years, in fact the only drug I am aware of that is undetectable in a few hours is GHB, the date rape drug, and thats 8 hours, so by any account it was a huge failure to do no toxicology test. IF Mangum refused thats one thing, if it simply was not done for some reason, that is a big, big problem. The tests are done to protect victims.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-81444841104896370052007-06-19T10:52:00.000-04:002007-06-19T10:52:00.000-04:00I know you folk don"t get it but a toxicology scre...I know you folk don"t get it but a toxicology screen FIVE hours after admittance to the ED is almost worthless, The folk, you should be hammering are the Doctors who saw her for five hours, before Nurse Levicy entered the scene. None of know, if Crystal refused the test. <BR/>Hysterical rants is par for the course from the Ks. The answers to the under oath testimony:<BR/>She perjured herself - a statement unsupported by any attorney at the hearing - eves Witt and Freedman,<BR/>Criticized for reading the record before answering questions, because of course - Nurse PP is always prepared when she take the stand.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-38908585138009548552007-06-19T09:28:00.000-04:002007-06-19T09:28:00.000-04:00Kethra's review is not dispassionate, it is a hyst...Kethra's review is not dispassionate, it is a hysterical rant that only occasionally touches on a real issue. Most of Kethra's ranting was wrong: the SANE nurse is able to talk about the contents of the exam she witnessed even is she did not conduct all of the tests, the whole idiocy about who signed where was, well, idiocy, the idea about her violating HHPPA was always wrong and stupid, the idea that she isn't supposed to answer questions from the police about an ongoing investigation, also wrong and silly. The idea she 'pretended'she did the pelvic, also dumb a pointless rant of Kethras.<BR/><BR/>The one thing she did do that was outside of protocol and a big problem--fail to administer a toxicology screen--barely was a blip on Kethra's screen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-85962970013381985742007-06-18T22:08:00.000-04:002007-06-18T22:08:00.000-04:00@ 2:07"No one sensible is saying that Levicy was a...@ 2:07<BR/><BR/>"No one sensible is saying that Levicy was a criminal. It is not clear to me that she even committed a tort. What she has been accused of, by other nurses, is failing to act professionally."<BR/><BR/>RESPONSE<BR/><BR/>"Please go back and read the excellent review of Levicy's role in the Hoax by Kethra. It is professionally written and dispassionately describes, in a most objective manner, the perceived failures of Levicy as a SANE, as a woman, and as a human being."<BR/><BR/>And the criminal acts are? The tortious conduct is? Just what are you disputing? It seems to me that what Kethra is saying, quite persuasively but without any opportunity for rebuttal, is that Levicy acted unprofessionally. I agree that a prima facie case of her unprefessionalism has been made, but all that means is that investigation by a competent body is called for.<BR/><BR/>I for one am not ready to deprive someone of their livlihood or subject them to public shame and obloquy just because someone on a blog has made some seemingly sensible accusations. Nor am I ready to give the person accused a pass because no one has bothered to examine their conduct.<BR/><BR/>So what exactly is your problem with my position? That I do not think Nurse Kethra got the word of God on Sinai? Or that I think Nurse Levicy's actions should be reviewed by a competent and impartial body? Perhaps you are in favor of lynch law like Nifong?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12126104394487680318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-57335365199631284282007-06-18T16:54:00.000-04:002007-06-18T16:54:00.000-04:00ralph phelan asked: " In fact, agency policy forbi...ralph phelan asked: <I>" In fact, agency policy forbids police officers to use their discretion in deciding whether to officially acknowledge a rape complaint, regardless how suspect that complaint may be."<BR/><BR/>Wouldn't that tend to inflate the number of false claims recodred?"</I><BR/><BR/>Sure. I would think that decent police personnel would be able to use their judgment in such cases, but the feminists have been busy browbeating police with "women never lie about rape" so the police have to bite the bullet and treat every claim as legit, no matter how preposterous the story. That's probably why the rates of false allegations are so high, the cops can't exercise their common sense when taking a complaint in an alleged rape case. It's similar to Nifong's "no drop" policy, so even if you get an obvious liar like CGM they can't drop the case and thus increase the likelihood of prosecuting false rape allegations. <BR/><BR/>But the other person is right, this is getting quite O/T.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-5085917180083632412007-06-18T16:35:00.000-04:002007-06-18T16:35:00.000-04:00PS,The discussion of false rape studies and the on...PS,<BR/><BR/>The discussion of false rape studies and the ongoing liberal/conservative snarking is O/T.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-46486699370367361782007-06-18T16:31:00.000-04:002007-06-18T16:31:00.000-04:00I may be wrong, but isn't Joe Cheshire one of the ...I may be wrong, but isn't Joe Cheshire one of the most successful defense lawyers in the state of NC, meaning he is likely MUCH, MUCH richer than Nifong and would have no need to try and punish him.<BR/><BR/>I agree that Nifong's hatred of Cheshire motivated his irrational treatment of this case, but not sure it went both wasy.<BR/><BR/>Don't forget, Cheshire is the ONLY ONE who wanted to go forward and question Meehan, becuase he may have been the only one who really had Nifong's number.<BR/><BR/>Seems Joe was right about Mikey all along.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-12694305228524128022007-06-18T16:25:00.000-04:002007-06-18T16:25:00.000-04:00" In fact, agency policy forbids police officers t..." In fact, agency policy forbids police officers to use their discretion in deciding whether to officially acknowledge a rape complaint, regardless how suspect that complaint may be."<BR/><BR/>Wouldn't that tend to inflate the number of false claims recodred?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-52814943824066484822007-06-18T16:21:00.000-04:002007-06-18T16:21:00.000-04:00After all is said is done, what everyone seems to ...After all is said is done, what everyone seems to be missing here is quite obvious, at least to me. From the time Joe Cheshire got involved and became the defense's media face, that irked the crap out of Nifong, and that is what made it personal. Once that happened, Nifong lost his grip on his sensibilities, and his vehement dislike (or worse) of Cheshire permanently scarred his thinking process, to the extent that the damage was done by the time he realized he was fucked. My understanding from Durham insiders in the know is that Nifing had it out for Cheshire, and vice versa, since their days in Traffic Court, when Nifong had his own little fiefdom and Cheshire didn't play by his rules so nicely. The years of hostility finally culminated with this, and now you can understand why Cheshire seems so driven to punish Nifong, even after all of his half-hearted mea culpas, which were only designed to make his son think he isnt such a dick. Cheshire must feel like the king of the world when he is home sipping his bourbon this week.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-66765881673868053212007-06-18T16:16:00.000-04:002007-06-18T16:16:00.000-04:00Good lord, "offering" the complainants in a rape c...Good lord, "offering" the complainants in a rape case a lie detector?? You must be joking. Most states now ban the practice of demanding a woman who alleges rape take a lie detector test for very good reasons, they are not reliable as evidenc and severe emotional distress often results in 'inconclusive' results. Same reason it is not admissable in a court of law.<BR/><BR/>I gave you an example of Madison, which got the complaining witness to say the charge was FALSE because they threatened and intimidated her even though it was later proven w/out any doubt she was a rape victim. I'm sure the Madison police at the time figured their department had a great record on rape.<BR/><BR/>There is ample evidence in terms of Congressional testimony, surveys of military personnel over several years, and individual case histories and even military leader's repeated acknowledgements and recent huge changes to the way they handle sexual assault that clearly document the military's history of NOT taking rape seriously and punishing the accusers. Seems doubtful the military in 1985 had a handle on the real facts of rape.<BR/><BR/>The Air Force Study you speak of actually found a 27% rate of false rape and then took what they saw as the similarities of these cases and created a checklist, gave this to a panel of 3 people who then reviewed the case file and came up with the 60% false rape...COMPLETELY UNSCIENTIFIC PROCESS, 3 people reading a case file, who were they? what experience did they have with rape? I know of one case where the chaplain said he thought the accueser was lying because she didn't look him in the eye when she recounted details of the rape. <BR/><BR/>I have posted the citations on this board previously many times, I am always told the same thing: The survey doesnt' count, the British Goverment study is 'biased' the sample is self-selected, DOJ records aren't useful...and any number of other excuses that seek to dismiss the balance of the research on rape.<BR/><BR/>I believe you are wrong about DOJ not keeping track of convictions, that doesn't even make sense, that the Department of Justice doesn't keep a record of arrests vs. convictions? The DOJ stats are based on what the police report and how they catalog a rape report.<BR/><BR/>The Kamin study is an anomally, if you have to reach all the way back to 1918 for a study on false rape allegations, you are desperate! Victorian attitudes about sex and rape have no place in a modern discussion, sorry.<BR/><BR/>DOJ statistics for the last 25 years.<BR/>British government review of 3,000 rape cases.<BR/>Multiple college surveys over several years showing constant 20% rate of rape, reported rape, resolution.<BR/>Multiple military surveys over the last 3-5 years showing similar rate of rape, reported rape, resolution.<BR/>Anecdotal prosecutor statements about the difficulty in prosecuting rape cases.<BR/>Jury studies on jury prejudices and acceptance of rape myths and how it affects their deliberation<BR/>College studies on acceptance of rape myths and how it affects view of rape complainants<BR/>Data from rape crisis centers<BR/>Court transcripts and proceedings demonstrating manner in which rape complainants are questioned/discredited<BR/>British/Australia/New Zealand surveys on rate of rape, reported rape and resolution.<BR/><BR/>I'm sure there are many more specific studies, but this feels to me a lot weightier than One study from Purdue and One Air Force Study also from 20 years ago taken out of context.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-51283793644539542982007-06-18T16:13:00.000-04:002007-06-18T16:13:00.000-04:00Ralph Phelan said at 2:07 PM, quoting some one els...Ralph Phelan said at 2:07 PM, quoting some one else, probably the anonymous professor... <BR/><I>"adults, including teachers, probably meet lots of people who have different views than they do and do not penalize them. "<BR/><BR/>Except of course if they're Duke faculty. </I><BR/><BR/>A short story from my college days, circa 1980: A philosophy professor of mine said in class, "Americans are anti-intellectual". I immediately shot back, "That's because intellectuals are anti-American". <BR/><BR/>The stunned look on his face told me that he had never heard this argument before, but I'll give him credit: After some thought, he agreed with what I said. <BR/><BR/>Today at most universities, I think I would be thrown out of class -- or at least ridiculed in class -- for my obvious political-incorrectness.<BR/><BR/>R.R. HamiltonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-24351537810216320502007-06-18T16:03:00.000-04:002007-06-18T16:03:00.000-04:001:36 PM said, I'd judge "left" views as being pro-...1:36 PM said, <I>I'd judge "left" views as being pro-choice, pro-affirmative action, anti-war, anti-tax-cut, altogether supporting most Democratic positions, etc </I><BR/><BR/>1:42 PM responded, <I>The views you describe as left wing strike me as middle of the road.... The opposite seems to be to be rather extreme. Frightening, even.</I><BR/><BR/>1:52 PM replied, <I>[F]rom the "perspective" of public opinion, the academy is one big debate between the left and the far left. Even if you fall on the left side of the specturm, or center-left, or mainstream, or whatever--that's a problem.</I><BR/><BR/>1:54 PM retorted ...<BR/>1:55 PM parried...<BR/>1:57 PM rebutted...<BR/>2:01 PM rejoined...<BR/>2:05 PM questioned ... <BR/><BR/>Why don't you people have the courage of using your names? Or if lacking that courage, at least use <I>nom de plumes</I>?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-37503280038279259792007-06-18T15:54:00.000-04:002007-06-18T15:54:00.000-04:00Anonymous 1:44PM: You said "Kamin never says what...Anonymous 1:44PM: You said <I>"Kamin never says what college town he did the study in, I know of no information that supports your contention that the town treated rape victims 'seriously'"</I><BR/><BR/>If you actually read the article you might.<BR/><BR/>From Kanin (<I>Archives of Sexual Behavior</I>, 1994): "This city was targeted for study because it offered an almost model laboratory for studying false rape allegations. First, its police agency is not inundated with serious felony cases and, therefore, has the freedom and the motivation to record and thoroughly pursue all rape complaints. In fact, agency policy forbids police officers to use their discretion in deciding whether to officially acknowledge a rape complaint, regardless how suspect that complaint may be. Second, the declaration of a false allegation follows a highly institutionalized procedure. The investigation of all rape complaints always involves a serious offer to polygraph the complainants and the suspects. Additionally, for a declaration of false charge to be made, the complainant must admit that no rape had occurred. She is the sole agent who can say that the rape charge is false. The police department will not declare a rape charge as false when the complainant, for whatever reason, fails to pursue the charge or cooperate on the case, regardless how much doubt the police may have regarding the validity of the charge. In short, these cases are declared false only because the complainant admitted they are false. Furthermore, only one person is then empowered to enter into the records a formal declaration that the charge is false, the officer in charge of records. Last, it should be noted that this department does not confuse reported rape attempts with completed rapeso Thus, the rape complainants referred to in this paper are for completed forcible rapes only. The foregoing leaves us with a certain confidence that cases declared false by this police agency are indeed a reasonable--if not a minimal reflection of false rape allegations made to this agency, especially when one considers that a finding of false allegation is totally dependent upon the recantation of the rape charge." <BR/><BR/><I>"You are taking the air force study out of context, AND, the military has been downplaying rape for decades, which is why they keep on getting called before Congress to explain why nothing ever changes, why women who report rape are drummed out of the service, treated like whores and generally not believed."</I><BR/><BR/>I don't believe this is true. In fact, from everything I've seen the military takes sexual harassment, assault and rape very seriously.<BR/><BR/><I>"Like I've said over and over, you guys cite the same couple of studies and out of context data and quotes, what's next, Linda Fairstein saying that half of rape claims never happened, a statement she has denied making?"</I><BR/><BR/>I don't know who Fairstein is, but like any good scholar, Kanin reviewed the literature and had this to say: "Widely divergent viewpoints are held regarding the incidence of false rape reporting (Katz and Mazur, 1979). For example, reports set the figure from lows of 0.25% (O'Reilly, 1984) and 1% (Krasner et aL, 1976) to highs of 80-90% (Bronson, 1918; Comment, 1968) and even 100% (see Kanin, 1985). All of these figures represent releases from some criminal justice agency or are estimates from clinical practitioners. The extraordinary range of these estimates makes a researcher suspect that inordinate biases are at work."<BR/><BR/><I>"The balance of research does not support your contention,"</I><BR/><BR/>What literature? Citations please.<BR/><BR/><BR/><I>"...this is why you have to keep bringing up the Kamin study, the only one ever to find such a high rate, and taking the military study percentage out of context. You disregard DOJ statistics, much more useful since they can be studied over decades becuase they tell you something you don't want to hear: less than 8% of rape complaints are false."</I><BR/><BR/>Except that you're wrong. Kanin wrote in his conclusions: "In view of these factors, perhaps the most prudent summary statement that is appropriate from these data is that false rape accusations are not uncommon."<BR/><BR/>I don't disregard DOJ stats, however, I recognize that they often are misused by people with an agenda. For example, the DOJ keeps track of arrests, not convictions, so when people cite them for numbers relating to "crimes" those DOJ numbers aren't accurate. In fact, I'm pretty sure that the Duke LAX 3 are in the DOJ database under "rape" when in fact we know full-well that no rape occurred. Further, re. false allegations, we see that as is usual for false accusers, CGM was not arrested - let alone prosecuted - for filing the FA, therefore, as is the rule with false allegations of rape, this case was <B>not</B> counted because it never entered the database. That's why I don't trust DOJ stats as they relate to, among other things, false allegations of rape. The only way to really get a handle on the frequency is to do a study like Kanin did. But in the PC environment that grips academia, such studies are very hard to come by - they just don't fit the "metanarrative."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-88577532904318265402007-06-18T15:40:00.000-04:002007-06-18T15:40:00.000-04:00The worse thing we RNs can do is kill somebody - W...The worse thing we RNs can do is kill somebody - WTF Never has Ketha substantiated her libel comments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-36477071173070774062007-06-18T15:36:00.000-04:002007-06-18T15:36:00.000-04:00No proof she was not Professional -only Ketha's hy...No proof she was not Professional -only Ketha's hysterical rants. BTW, 1n 84 hour certification course does not make one a Fornsic Nurse. You fail to note that other nurses disagreed with Ketha completely. Bring on the civil suits, Nurse Tara/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-33842403396150668712007-06-18T15:29:00.000-04:002007-06-18T15:29:00.000-04:002:12 my youngest got his MBA from Chicago. A hot b...2:12 my youngest got his MBA from Chicago. A hot bed of liberals. He is a Conseratiave Republican - says politics never came up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-85736563814227796142007-06-18T15:00:00.000-04:002007-06-18T15:00:00.000-04:002:13 Agree - Vegas2:13 Agree - VegasAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com