tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post2597841170711564434..comments2024-02-24T05:19:10.949-05:00Comments on Durham-in-Wonderland: Duke and Three Families Settlekcjohnson9http://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comBlogger305125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-34968121343796904192007-06-20T14:12:00.000-04:002007-06-20T14:12:00.000-04:009:07,Some Asian kids do well because of good paren...9:07,<BR/><BR/>Some Asian kids do well because of good parenting. So, too, do kids of a variety of backgrounds, including black & hispanic. Surely you don't think the black & hispanic kids at the Ivies are less than bright? Wake up call!!!<BR/><BR/>What you should really be impressed by are the kids who do well w/o good parenting. Of any racial/ethnic background.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-71097171448742283422007-06-20T08:26:00.000-04:002007-06-20T08:26:00.000-04:00anon 9:50 said "Teaching the next generation of ha...anon 9:50 said "Teaching the next generation of haters, that's what."<BR/><BR/>Amen.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.trueequality.com/boys.pdf" REL="nofollow">Boys and the Boy Crisis</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-22709425952226172962007-06-20T07:14:00.000-04:002007-06-20T07:14:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Shadoohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02045170241250603618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-67594351336144756852007-06-19T21:50:00.000-04:002007-06-19T21:50:00.000-04:00Teaching the next generation of haters, that's wha...Teaching the next generation of haters, that's what.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-56910204015306709812007-06-19T21:07:00.000-04:002007-06-19T21:07:00.000-04:009:15Of course, it includes a lot of Asians; it is ...9:15<BR/><BR/>Of course, it includes a lot of Asians; it is the ONLY way Duke could even come close to keeping their minority academic standards looking at all respectable. <BR/><BR/>My white kid stacked up fine against them, thanks. I am sure the 800 scored on the Math SAT was at least comparable to their top scores. Add excelling in a rigorous dual engineering major and this parent is quite satisfied. Asian kids do well because of good parenting and I admire them for it.<BR/><BR/>BTW, what on earth would a degree in Angry Studies be good for?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-39801438190550590512007-06-19T11:41:00.000-04:002007-06-19T11:41:00.000-04:0010:27Not Asian and not an angry white guy. Creep?...10:27<BR/><BR/>Not Asian and not an angry white guy. Creep?!! What is this? Third grade? You're so cute.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-90047497523926389762007-06-19T10:27:00.000-04:002007-06-19T10:27:00.000-04:009:15Who the freakin' hell are you?Creep.9:15<BR/><BR/>Who the freakin' hell are you?<BR/>Creep.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-3294044141216929222007-06-19T09:15:00.000-04:002007-06-19T09:15:00.000-04:00You know the 44 percent might include lots of Asia...You know the 44 percent might include lots of Asians. Last time I checked, their scores in math & science were way above those of the white boys beloved of some of the bloggers...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-88826353980313257102007-06-19T08:52:00.000-04:002007-06-19T08:52:00.000-04:00"minority enrollment for Duke class of 2011: 44%ov..."minority enrollment for Duke class of 2011: <B>44%</B><BR/>over subscribed for admission<BR/>yield in excess of expectations"<BR/><BR/>Looks like they're going after Spellman's niche. <BR/><BR/>The over-subscribed/high yield indicates to me that they panicked and dropped their standards even further than they had to.<BR/><BR/>Makes me think they might have panicked yesterday, and worte an even bigger check than they had to.<BR/><BR/>Kudos to the buys' lawyers for striking while the spotlight was on Durham and the iron was hot.<BR/><BR/>Duke '00<BR/>I agree that Nifong caused more of the harm than Duke. But Duke and its employees did cause some, both by action and inaction, leading to two thoughts to consider.<BR/>(1)In American law as actually practiced, who you sue is usually determined less by the distribution of fault than by the distribution of money to pay a judgement.<BR/>(2) Even if Brodhead, Levicy, the Gang of 88, other professors who segregated lacrosse players in class, Dean Sue, Duke Campus Security for not removing the NBP, Duke maintenance for not removing the Wanted poseters, whoever leaked student emails ... what else have I forgotten?... only contributed 1% of the damage - <BR/>How much do you think it's worth to Brodhead *not* to see Evans Sr. testifying against Duke with the same eloquence he used aginst Nifong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-3605396873311292642007-06-19T07:19:00.000-04:002007-06-19T07:19:00.000-04:00R.R.Any time you have to use "metanarrative" to ma...R.R.<BR/><BR/>Any time you have to use "metanarrative" to make your point, I think it's fair to say you are reaching.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-54603713135783272502007-06-19T06:55:00.000-04:002007-06-19T06:55:00.000-04:0010:37Just because you can make outlandish accusati...10:37<BR/><BR/>Just because you can make outlandish accusations doesn't mean you should. I don't think academics and other Marxists are what caused this blog to be born. Silly me. I thought it was the LAX case...and last I checked, Nyfong was neither an academic nor a Marxist.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Yes, American academics are the cause of all of the ills in the world. That's really easy. Always blame someone else. Is this another element of Anger Studies?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-38182542431238069312007-06-19T06:42:00.000-04:002007-06-19T06:42:00.000-04:00I wonder why so many of you appear to be so fright...I wonder why so many of you appear to be so frightened of American academics. I liked those who taught me. Their politics weren't so important to me--sometimes, I didn't know what they were--as their minds. <BR/><BR/>What I learned in university was much of what has enabled me to have a good life.<BR/><BR/>Some of you seem to love to hate. I just wonder what has got so many of your knickers in such a twist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-56546840006556067752007-06-19T06:38:00.000-04:002007-06-19T06:38:00.000-04:00Having lived in a communist country--both before a...Having lived in a communist country--both before and after 1989--I can say that some things changed for the worse after 1989. And, I can say that when Eastern Europeans looked for a democratic model, it wasn't necessarily the United States.<BR/><BR/>People who blog here and who conflate "liberal," ie, centrist, with "left," may not understand that communism was bad, but that their proposed solutions were not necessarily good.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-70102438976148646382007-06-19T03:47:00.001-04:002007-06-19T03:47:00.001-04:00oops...above post was directed to DL '00oops...above post was directed to DL '00Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-69942084185923302582007-06-19T03:47:00.000-04:002007-06-19T03:47:00.000-04:00I just finished poring over the posts here. I was...I just finished poring over the posts here. I was one of the primary persons jousting with you intellectually on Saturday. I will accept your congratulations, though not expressed, for my having predicted that Duke would not be able to get to the settlement table fast enough. That said, I would say that you are fairly spot on as to the philosophy of what the settlements are, if not for the amounts. I agree...no windfall. Where we depart on this is what constitutes a windfall. I would say that a conservative amount for current and future legal fees and other expenses associated directly with this fiasco would be $1.5-2M per player. Add to that about a half million in lost wages, pain/suffering, and family disruption per player. Treble that to acknowledge the "punitive" nature of settling with silence assured and the promise not to sue the G88 or any other Duke associate down the road. You come ot about $6-8M per player. Amazingly, about the $20M total predicted by some others here who have been fairly spot on in the past. I wish you nothing but the best in your career, but re-state my previous assertion that the bright lights of the real world and you idealistic youthfulness are keeping you blind to the realities of how civil torts really work (not just the "book" stuff taught in your classes a few years ago). I have had somebody settle with me for a $50,000 check cash to avoid one day of depositions. The realistic settlement after depositions would have been about $15,000, but they would have easily spent another $75,000 on discovery if we had forced the issue. They settled, and both of us were happy beyond our wildest dreams. We both benefited from not feeding "the monster" that is the trial court.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-7192954626345130732007-06-19T03:46:00.000-04:002007-06-19T03:46:00.000-04:00If the woman bought coffee, which is in a cardboar...If the woman bought coffee, which is in a cardboard cup and puts it between her legs--I mean what a bafoon. I saw pictures of the injury. Incredible. I had drunk coffee at McD for years, I like it hot, but because of this fool, their coffee is not that hot. Of couse there are people in line now trying to get in their pockets because they serve fattening food. Why get a job?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-34961869030972779222007-06-19T01:59:00.000-04:002007-06-19T01:59:00.000-04:00Anonymous said at 1:22 AM ... Many juries cannot b...Anonymous said at 1:22 AM ... <BR/><I><BR/>Many juries cannot be accused of "being smart enough." I remember the hot coffee at McD's jury that gave the woman a multimillion$ award. It took a judge to lower the award. She still got 6 figures. </I><BR/><BR/>Ironic that I just responded to a 1:02 posting and mentioned this same case. In the McD coffee case, the jury did right. Stop. Think. The woman had suffered about $60,000 in ACTUAL MEDICAL DAMAGES as a result of McD's SUPER-HOT coffee. McD said that it didn't care. McD said that it wasn't even going to change the temp of its coffee. The jury said, "Ok, how about $2 million in punitive damages -- Does that help to convince you to change your mind?" True, the award was reduced on appeal to about $650K -- about 10-TIMES the woman's ACTUAL damages. And McD CHANGED the temperature of its coffee. The system WORKED as it SHOULD in that case.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-58338471590187019272007-06-19T01:49:00.000-04:002007-06-19T01:49:00.000-04:00DL '00 at 1:02 said...And, yes, I think not. Duke ...DL '00 at 1:02 said...<BR/><BR/><I>And, yes, I think not. Duke didn't cause this "fiasco." And a jury would be smart enough to figure that out.</I><BR/><BR/>By the time I was finished, the jury would hate Duke more than Nifong -- who was really just a victim of the metanarrative that Duke has peddled for years, and a victim of the negligent nurse's report from DUMC. Duke is JUST as guilty in this as Nifong, and it wouldn't be hard to show that Duke is supporting "88 Nifongs" and that it doesn't intend to change.<BR/><BR/>Do you remember the McDonald's "hot coffee" case? Do you remember what REALLY caused the high punitive damages? It wasn't that McD had sold SUPER-hot coffee (hot enough to cause massive tissue damage); it was that McD <I><B>said at trial that it wasn't going to change</I></B> the temperature of its coffee. Sound a bit like Duke? "We're not going to change the 88 -- In fact, we're not even gonna fire the prof who flunked the lacrosse player!" <BR/><BR/>Juries are forgiving when defendants are contrite, but where is the contrition at Duke? Nowhere. Thus: $30 million. Bet me that my figure is closer than your ~$2 million.<BR/><BR/>R.R. Hamilton<BR/><BR/>P.S. after the trial, McDonald's quietly reduced the temperature of its coffee.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-91195767095594378522007-06-19T01:26:00.000-04:002007-06-19T01:26:00.000-04:001:22I don't see it happening. Most juries get it ...1:22<BR/><BR/>I don't see it happening. Most juries get it right (as shocking as that may be). It's not a hard concept to understand who was really wrong here (and it wasn't Duke).<BR/><BR/><BR/>DL '00Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-66495691237992690962007-06-19T01:22:00.000-04:002007-06-19T01:22:00.000-04:00DL '00Many juries cannot be accused of "being smar...DL '00<BR/><BR/>Many juries cannot be accused of "being smart enough." I remember the hot coffee at McD's jury that gave the woman a multimillion$ award. It took a judge to lower the award. She still got 6 figures. A burglar won a big settlement because he feel from a roof that was unsafe. Not reversed. Not all juries have all the oars in the water. I saw a poll that shows citizens have done a 180 and now support the Dukies. They will see deep pockets and open up the Duke safe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-52751602285452829362007-06-19T01:02:00.000-04:002007-06-19T01:02:00.000-04:00R.R.6: Maybe. Some might be put off by their all...R.R.<BR/><BR/>6: Maybe. Some might be put off by their allegedly boorish behavior. Personally I don't see it.<BR/><BR/>7: I think that's factually incorrect. And immaterial.<BR/><BR/>8: Some professors at Duke did that. Duke as an instituion did not.<BR/><BR/>9: Doesn't really matter.<BR/><BR/>10: Really don't care.<BR/><BR/>I think the whole, Duke doesn't want discovery, is a little blown out of proportion. You'd think the answer to who shot JFK was in Duke's e-mail system or something.<BR/><BR/>And, yes, I think not. Duke didn't cause this "fiasco." And a jury would be smart enough to figure that out.<BR/><BR/>DL '00Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-79762936326033843722007-06-19T00:57:00.000-04:002007-06-19T00:57:00.000-04:00R.R.I respectfully disagree. DL '00R.R.<BR/><BR/>I respectfully disagree. <BR/><BR/>DL '00Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-19477288267264349462007-06-19T00:47:00.000-04:002007-06-19T00:47:00.000-04:00DL '00 said...May I analyze?1) Agree.2) No one has...DL '00 said...<BR/><BR/><I>May I analyze?<BR/><BR/>1) Agree.<BR/>2) No one has lost wages except for D. Evans, prob. $100K.<BR/>3) Can't. You got what you paid for for years 1-2 or 3. Last year I'm sure was refunded.<BR/>4) Dicey. Maybe a little goodwill money.<BR/>5) Fair enough.<BR/><BR/>I think IMHO you are in the $1M to $1.5M range in actuality.<BR/>But your analysis is fairly reasonable I think.<BR/></I><BR/><BR/>May I be of co-counsel?<BR/><BR/>(6) you have here the perfect plaintiffs -- certified innocent by the highest LE authority in NC.<BR/>(7) Duke told them not to hire lawyers or even talk to their parents.<BR/>(8) Duke employees promoted a climate of EXTRAORDINARY hostility to a group of students when those students were VEHEMENTLY (and ... whadayaknow TRUTHFULLY) proclaiming thieir innocence.<BR/>(9) A Duke employee apparently asked CGM "Were you raped?" when that is apparently INCORRECT procedure -- correct: "Did something happen? Do you want to tell me about it?" <BR/>(10) I could go on and on about Duke's culpable acts, but the BIG DOLLARS are found in the question: "How much will Duke pay not to have to see Richard Brodhead, Karla Holloway, Grant Farred, and Wahneema Lubiano on the witness stand under oath?"<BR/><BR/>The answer is "millions and millions". The likely amount paid by Duke was about $30 million. <BR/><BR/>Oh yes, and not to forget: "How much is it going to cost Duke in attorneys fees to fight this? Fighting against the motion to turn over all faculty e'mails ALONE might be $1 million."<BR/><BR/>At the end of the trial, the a question would likely come from the juryroom, "Just how much is 'every last penny Duke has?'". You think not? I know a soon-to-be-former-DA who might agree with me. Let's ask him.<BR/><BR/>R.R. HamiltonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-5193437199478046282007-06-19T00:22:00.000-04:002007-06-19T00:22:00.000-04:00Anonymous at 10:37 said... Even though I have live...Anonymous at 10:37 said... <I><BR/>Even though I have lived in the US for most of my life, I still cannot understand the hatred some of you have for the Prez. If you ask many of us, we are so grateful to many American Presidents and certainly the military for helping us that lived under dictators. Both my parents were born in communist countries. Dad in Cuba and Mom in China. Both are gone, but acheived the American dream. My mom was a professor and my dad an accountant. My sister and I worked hard and both became professors like my mom. Only in America would that have happened. Have opinions, but stop the hatred. </I><BR/><BR/>What you have to understand is that the last bastions of Marxism outside of Havana and Pyongyang are in the faculty lounges of Western universities. In other words, the enemies of humanity from whom your parents fled are right here in America, and they are what caused this blog to be born.<BR/><BR/>Btw, congratulations on your success in America. My spouse is also an immigrant.<BR/><BR/>Jun 18, 2007 10:37:00 PMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-81129987952687111412007-06-19T00:17:00.000-04:002007-06-19T00:17:00.000-04:0012:13I apologize, had no intent of calling you out...12:13<BR/><BR/>I apologize, had no intent of calling you out as dumb.<BR/><BR/>I was curious for your personal feeling as for who you would seek the money from in terms of who is most to blame? It seems a lot of folks here think it is OK to get all the money from Duke U. or the NYT or whomever and ignore the primary people at fault (accuser/Nifong). I was just wondering who you thought should pay most of the $5M.<BR/><BR/>DL '00Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com