tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post260234566045142952..comments2024-02-24T05:19:10.949-05:00Comments on Durham-in-Wonderland: A DIW Contestkcjohnson9http://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-23957624821471147292008-07-22T19:59:00.000-04:002008-07-22T19:59:00.000-04:00Which Friday was that?Which Friday was that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-5174143855403071982008-07-22T08:04:00.000-04:002008-07-22T08:04:00.000-04:00A SHARE OF WACHOVIA STOCK!?! Why don't you give a...A SHARE OF WACHOVIA STOCK!?! Why don't you give a prize that has some value, like Confederate money?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-12166148920718577112008-07-16T15:14:00.000-04:002008-07-16T15:14:00.000-04:00A postcard from the edge of The Diva World:Stellar...A postcard from the edge of <I>The Diva World</I>:<BR/><BR/>Stellar journalist Kristin Butler who is working at the N&O this summer has been featured on MSNBC today in audio reports on the woman found dead in Cary yesterday.<BR/><BR/>She has a good voice for reporting as well as being a fine writer.Debrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04567454727276881424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-29596455349511602632008-07-16T12:12:00.000-04:002008-07-16T12:12:00.000-04:00Ah yes, and the police, in The Handmaid's Tale use...Ah yes, and the police, in The Handmaid's Tale used their powers to make certain that the metanarrative would be the only version of events. One should read the story if one wants a chilling tale of what could so easily happen if the wrong people are allowed to populate the halls of power.<BR/>CKSAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-76402505860388176032008-07-16T10:52:00.000-04:002008-07-16T10:52:00.000-04:00Back in the day, a cautionary "let's not jump to c...Back in the day, a cautionary "let's not jump to conclusions until all the facts are in" would have been perceived as a gesture of civic responsibility, not an attempt "to quell public debate" about a criminal investigation. (What does "public debate" have to do with a criminal investigation, anyway? The public gets to vote on police procedures or clues or facts of the case?)<BR/><BR/>Today, under the Gorelick Doctrine, that, plus "sorry, we can't give you information protected under the Family Education Rights and Privacy Act of 1974 without a subpoena from a federal court," constitute, <I>in essence</I>, an attempt "to stand between [a criminal suspect] and the prosecutor" and "to prevent the police and prosecutor from investigating... for a very serious crime."<BR/><BR/>So now responsible officials (lumping certain university administrators into this category solely for argument's sake) are precluded from ordinary moral decency or upholding federal statutes, if not their own handbook policies, lest they, <I>in essence</I>, obstruct justice.<BR/><BR/>Someone should trot out the Gorelick Doctrine the next time there's a highly-publicized criminal investigation in an emotionally-charged atmosphere and see who howls the loudest.<BR/><BR/>dave in l.a.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-5581800621948156862008-07-16T08:34:00.000-04:002008-07-16T08:34:00.000-04:00At a tumultuous meeting, the parents urged the ass...<I>At a tumultuous meeting, the parents urged the assembled Duke officials (Trask, Alleva, Dean of Student Life Sue Wasiolek, and Vice President for Student Affairs Larry Moneta) to say publicly what all already had told them privately: that they believed the team was innocent. When the quartet refused to do so, the parents asked to meet with Brodhead. That request also was denied.<BR/><BR/>Administrators present at the meeting struggled to avoid contradictory stories. When asked why, given the seriousness of the charges, Duke officials hadn’t contacted the parents, Wasiolek cited FERPA regulations. Moneta, on the other hand, pointed to practicality concerns, reportedly remarking, “Do you know how many calls we get from the Durham police about our students? If we called a parent for every complaint we get we would be calling parents every weekend.” Responding to a question on why she would advise anyone to speak to the police without benefit of counsel given the allegations of a gang rape, Wasiolek predicted that everything would go away, because the Durham police told her the witness was not credible. That such legal advice came from a J.D. (from North Carolina Central Law School) is amazing.<BR/><BR/>According to recollections from many participants, the meeting ended with parents frustrated and upset at Duke’s handling of events. But in an interview published two days later in the Duke Chronicle, Moneta presented a radically different picture of the meeting’s tone. The Chronicle summarized his remarks in the following way: “the parents were frightened and nervous for their children.” Any fair-minded outsider would have interpreted this kind of reaction from parents as consistent with a belief in guilt.<BR/><BR/>Moneta, meanwhile, soon repudiated the position on innocence he had taken at the meeting, writing, “Not sure what I blurted in the heat of the conversation. What I’ve consistently said to parents is that I hope that all the players are exonerated but until the facts are finally determined, I take no position on the matter.”</I><BR/><BR/>It seems to me that maybe at some point the "Hang-em High" crowd at Duke must have actually read the FERPA rules. After all, parents could not be informed (per Wasnolike) but the police (and ultimately the press) were given unfettered access to privileged student information.<BR/>With advocates like Mo'notta, Wasnolike, and Boardhead, what more could the students and parents have wanted????? They easily could have just turned over their sons to the "Castrate" crowd for the Duke version of social justice. Oh if they only hadn't misplaced their looking glasses. Their rose colored glasses have become opaque in the ivory towers of the institution. <BR/>88 bottles of beer on the wall!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-30548856728889382472008-07-16T00:40:00.000-04:002008-07-16T00:40:00.000-04:00I've taken a look at this post. It's clever; howev...I've taken a look at this post. It's clever; however, its requirement is finding specific needles in the haystack of the Hoax.<BR/><BR/>Needles designed to fog the atmosphere for an escape.<BR/><BR/>This is a technical challenge which can be met by taking the time to review past <I>Wonderland</I> posts which many here have committed to memory.<BR/><BR/>I see that some have successfully met the challenge and will be rewarded the treasure.<BR/><BR/>Wachovia stock! ( A name you can believe in.)<BR/><BR/>Some are comforted by words recorded as facts. <BR/><BR/>There are thousands of quotes and thousands of opinions making up the various stages of the Hoax.<BR/><BR/>It's amusing to go back and review the absurdities and now the pretzel logic attorneys for Duke are trying to employ.<BR/><BR/>Someone should explain to Gorelick and company that their adventitious elimination of reality in this case will have no spontaneous effect on the way it is viewed by the millions of people in this country who witnessed what occurred.<BR/><BR/>Duke's administration and Durham's city officials are convinced that they can rely on some judge to follow their lead and help them escape.<BR/><BR/>They will need a judge who is capable of providing aid or direction in the solution of a problem, otherwise unjustified or incapable of justification.<BR/><BR/>With this amusing post, KC has chosen the heuristic path--heightening curiosity with further scholarly exploration.<BR/><BR/>In my comments on the previous post "Steel to Wachovia", and before I was intercepted, I referenced this same N&O cover-up article praising Steel......<BR/><BR/>.......along with a link to a video which would have provided an invaluable first hand view of the kinds of people who have actually helped build the bizarre culture of Duke and Durham.<BR/><BR/>People like Steel, Brodhead, Burness, Coach K, and various old timers from the Duke family who are descendants of the university's founder are all in the same "culture club".....(no Boy George among them....LIS!).<BR/><BR/>Like Pressler's book, it doesn't matter what the truth is or what the facts might show, this "culture club" has its requirements.<BR/><BR/>For these people inside their bubble of indoctrination, no facts will dissipate the tropism that assigns a certain narrative and role to all black people and another distinct role to all white people.<BR/><BR/>Some human beings are educable. Others only trainable. <BR/><BR/>Even though these people are well-educated and many have wealth beyond imagination, they are blissfully ignorant about so many of life's realities...... <BR/><BR/>......possessing views and ways of looking at every day life which never question the approved narrative among the <I>elite</I>.<BR/><BR/>Not adhering to these strict rules of munificent condescension will definitely get you dropped from the cocktail party guest list at the Washington Duke Inn.<BR/><BR/>The Trinity Park residents, hangers-on and wannabes along with Durham officials--both making up the second and third wrung on the ladder of the "culture club"--confer and share as needed. Each quid pro quo builds another network.<BR/><BR/>Wasn't it Steel who said that it didn't matter what actually happened, those news clips and loops of the lacrosse players on the field practicing had to stop? <BR/><BR/>Duke had to make sure that they effectively annihilated the existence of the team to placate and please the members of the "culture club" who have a certain special <I>understanding</I> and <I>historic need</I>.<BR/><BR/>It's like a code that has to be cracked. Nothing will ever be over until it is.<BR/><BR/>Facts are secondary.<BR/><BR/>In 1990 there was a film shot around one of the mansions in Durham's Forest Hills called "The Handmaid's Tale".<BR/><BR/>The story was one of a bizarre and abusive culture forced upon people with a kind of engineered plan for how life should be lived.<BR/><BR/>How was anyone to know that this would be the dress rehearsal for what was to happen to three unsuspecting men living in Durham in the year 2006?Debrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04567454727276881424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-76785502584570444122008-07-15T21:36:00.000-04:002008-07-15T21:36:00.000-04:00I would think that Broadhead would jump at the cha...I would think that Broadhead would jump at the chance to come to court to "prove his innocence". Right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-64908410178755373092008-07-15T20:08:00.000-04:002008-07-15T20:08:00.000-04:00From the Los Angeles Times online:By Maura Dolan, ...From the Los Angeles Times online:<BR/><BR/>By Maura Dolan, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer <BR/>July 15, 2008 <BR/>A federal appeals court upheld a $15 million jury verdict for three Los Angeles police officers who alleged they were falsely arrested and prosecuted as part of the Rampart corruption scandal. <BR/><BR/>The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals said there was evidence to support the jury's verdict that the city and the Los Angeles Police Department violated the officers' constitutional rights by arresting and charging the men without an adequate investigation.<BR/><BR/>--snip --Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-84195684652164556942008-07-15T18:05:00.000-04:002008-07-15T18:05:00.000-04:00Contest participants are, therefore, urged to iden...Contest participants are, therefore, urged to identify the statement to which the Gorelick/McLamb brief refers.<BR/>::<BR/>From day # 1 Duke associated Ryan's skin 'em' irony tinged e-mail with the rape charges and thus any effort to stop the investigation of Ryan or his e-mail account was seen as that statement.<BR/>:::<BR/>Contest participants are urged to identify which piece of correct information—if known to the Duke administration—would have caused the administration to pursue a different policy.<BR/>::<BR/>The speed at which the Duke Women's Center organized and launched the Castrate March along with the fact that Duke Women's Center personnel (and students) had been stalking the organizers of fraternity parties for many months (as detailed in the June 2006 Women's Center) newsletter. <BR/>::<BR/>GPGary Packwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05177986821224068759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-68111287577148590302008-07-15T15:49:00.000-04:002008-07-15T15:49:00.000-04:00TO 11:25 AM--The travesty started with the grotesq...TO 11:25 AM--<BR/><BR/>The travesty started with the grotesque media coverage.<BR/><BR/>The <A HREF="http://blogs.newsobserver.com/editor/identifying-the-accuser" REL="nofollow">N&O</A> seems to be doing some hand wringing over their latest alleged rape case.Debrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04567454727276881424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-73617223489463234372008-07-15T11:25:00.000-04:002008-07-15T11:25:00.000-04:00To the 6:56 attorney:Just as there are good and ba...To the 6:56 attorney:<BR/>Just as there are good and bad lawyers, so are there good and bad professors. You would be doing professors a favor anyway, by not selecting them. <BR/><BR/>I am not a professor, but jury selection is a joke, people are not tried by a "jury of their peers" One of the concerns of this case was whether the 3 young men would get a fair trial in Durham (if it came to that) Until the jury system is fixed the answer is no, for everyone, anywhere. I get summoned to the Court House in Durham every 2 years for jury duty. (It is easier to go for the day rather than ask the judge to let me out) <BR/>I have been a victim of a violent crime, lived in a house where there was domestic violence, am in the medical field, have raised 2 young men (some would say priveleged - but by no means are we wealthy) have a college education and work experience in a variety of settings, and every time I am eliminated, because I may know too much to suit either side of a case. The jury pay is rediculous, the parking is not close, and don't be late, otherwise the jury workers turn nasty. (the judges and lawyers can be late though)You can't take notes, and the process is often obviously not fair and often slow, (not much regard for the juror's time) and very intimidating, not to mention not private(questions are asked of jurors in an open court- questions that we should not be answering for privacy protection) and then I have to make up my work on my own time. Jury duty being an important, civic duty is a joke, if it was so important it would be managed much better. <BR/>So until the system is fixed, these young men had as much chance in Durham as anywhere else in getting a fair trial. Maybe <BR/>Broadhead and Steel and others need to spend some time in the courtroom before they are so careless with their students freedom and rights. It truly can be a sad and scary place and "justice" is often slow. (wasn't it 385 days for these young men?)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-59010421258693562682008-07-15T10:49:00.000-04:002008-07-15T10:49:00.000-04:00"Prize for anyone who can actually identify the st..."Prize for anyone who can actually identify the statements to which Gorelick and McLamb referred: One share of Wachovia stock."<BR/><BR/>Second place is two shares?<BR/><BR/>Duke ProfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-79503815966531366702008-07-15T10:41:00.000-04:002008-07-15T10:41:00.000-04:00Oh boy Jamie! Those chickens are coming home to ro...Oh boy Jamie! Those chickens are coming home to roost!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-10031924689243894532008-07-15T00:56:00.000-04:002008-07-15T00:56:00.000-04:00Gorelick is probably the next Attorney General. Do...<I>Gorelick is probably the next Attorney General. </I><BR/><BR/>Doubtful, given her role with her FBI "wall", Fannie Mae, and this. But thanks to Fannie Mae, she probably won't ever need the money either.Bruce Haydenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10815293023158025662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-86719086027472994762008-07-14T22:15:00.000-04:002008-07-14T22:15:00.000-04:00Gorelick seems to be embroiled in the Fannie Mae m...Gorelick seems to be embroiled in the Fannie Mae mess:<BR/><BR/>http://online.wsj.com/article/SB109684359646434797.html?mod=Review-Outlook-US<BR/><BR/>Falsely inflated results so that executives like Gorelick could get huge six-figure bonuses?<BR/><BR/>Shades of Enron!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-32044094413184456642008-07-14T21:44:00.000-04:002008-07-14T21:44:00.000-04:00Interesting background info (at Volokh) about Gore...Interesting background info (at Volokh) about Gorelick. Sounds like a great political hack.<BR/><A HREF="http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2008_07_13-2008_07_19.shtml#1216060102" REL="nofollow">Jamie Gorelick's ties to Fannie Mae and What She's Doing Now</A><BR/><BR/>"Jamie Gorelick was one of the Fannie executives who benefited from inflated bonuses based on Enron-style accounting. She was Vice Chairman of Fannie Mae from 1997 to 2003 (Fannie’s fraudulent accounting scheme was made public in 2004).<BR/><BR/>This is the same Jamie Gorelick who was Deputy Attorney General in the mid 1990s and was reported to have been the author of the Clinton Administration’s WALL against sharing intelligence data between foreign and domestic agencies. Without the policies instituted by Gorelick still in place in 2001, officials might have learned more about the 9/11 attacks before the planes hit the buildings. "Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-69899883765613730712008-07-14T21:10:00.000-04:002008-07-14T21:10:00.000-04:00The whole "In essence" construct is a simple ad ho...The whole "In essence" construct is a simple <I>ad hominim</I>. If it's not <I>obvious</I> to you that this is the "essence" of the plaintiffs' argument, then you're just stupid, dense, lacking in judgement, uncool, inferior to your obvious intellectual superiors...<BR/><BR/>(If you had ever been a junior-high girl you would have recognized the CoolKid/MeanGirl pulling of rank immediately.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-44122831842411614762008-07-14T20:40:00.000-04:002008-07-14T20:40:00.000-04:00The considerations that would have caused Duke's a...The considerations that would have caused Duke's administration to pursue a different policy: that the lacrosse players could, and would, fight back effectively, bringing Duke's bad faith into public view; and that many people would care about Duke's bad faith conduct.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-53318961797115760742008-07-14T20:03:00.000-04:002008-07-14T20:03:00.000-04:00The prize of a share of stock could be extremely v...The prize of a share of stock could be extremely valuable - it would give one the ability to raise a question at the next stockholder's meeting of the incoming chairman Mr. Steele. Wouldn't that make for an intersting time if someone were to press him about his statements regarding the lax hoax. As my father was fond of saying "things always have a way of coming and biting you in the rear whe you least expect it".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-59601509643147130052008-07-14T19:39:00.000-04:002008-07-14T19:39:00.000-04:00"...to identify the statement to which the Gorelic..."...to identify the statement to which the Gorelick/McLamb brief refers." <BR/><BR/>So do contestants have to prove they are certified mind readers or psychics? To show they have access to the delusions that were the foundation of the case and now the defense?<BR/><BR/>"The statement" like so much else must have occured only in someone's mind. <BR/><BR/>No attorney or anyone else actually on the side of the falsely accused were deluded enough, dishonest enough stupid or crazy enough to have made such a statement. But, of course, that doesn't mean some of the "others" didn't hear it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-51276249173297275352008-07-14T18:56:00.000-04:002008-07-14T18:56:00.000-04:00Slightly OT:I'm an attorney and after studying the...Slightly OT:<BR/><BR/>I'm an attorney and after studying the actions of college professors in this case, I've decided I will <I>never</I> allow a professor on a jury if I can avoid it. At least, not if my client is in the right.<BR/><BR/>The reason? Professors seem to know a lot of stuff that simply <I>isn't true</I>. And they cling fiercely (due to ego?) to these "certainties" (metanarratives?) no matter what the real-world evidence. In other words, ignorance is curable, but to paraphrase a comedian's fond saying, "You can't fix mistaken intellectualism." <BR/><BR/>I've never had a professor on a jury. I'm wondering if any other attorneys have any thoughts on this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-10725883510290469912008-07-14T16:57:00.000-04:002008-07-14T16:57:00.000-04:00Just received a reply form KC my answers were corr...Just received a reply form KC my answers were correct.<BR/><BR/>Yipee!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-81812626452953306692008-07-14T15:00:00.000-04:002008-07-14T15:00:00.000-04:00Red Herring“The term "red herring" originates from...Red Herring<BR/><BR/>“The term "red herring" originates from the tradition whereby young hunting dogs in Britain were trained to follow a scent with the use of a "red" (salted and smoked) herring (see kipper). This pungent fish would be dragged across a trail until the puppy learned to follow the scent. Later, when the dog was being trained to follow the faint odor of a fox or a badger, the trainer would drag a red herring (which has a much stronger odor) across the animal's trail at right angles. The dog would eventually learn to follow the original scent rather than the stronger scent." Wiki<BR/><BR/>Instead of responding to the facts accepted as true for the purposes litigating the Civil Complaint as per Rule 12, Jamie and company make up a “red herring” to distract from the real issues. Most of the responses don’t address the civil complaints, because they can’t. But that Jamie sure can bill for her services and the Duke BOT continues with their heads in the sands. <BR/><BR/>Jamie, it won’t work! In part thanks to the incredible work of KC & Stuart and the Blog Hooligans! But mainly because the plaintiffs have good attorneys and most importantly, truth is on the side of the players. <BR/><BR/>Burness and Moneta knew who Gottlieb was and that he had it in for the Duke Students. They also knew the captains had co-operated fully and that Duke PD thought it was a false accusation made by a woman they knew was of doubtful credibility. But instead of standing up to the corruption of the PD & Nifong and the Durham & Duke mob, they helped Nifong and DPD, by covering up what Duke PD knew and what Levicy did. Steel & Brodhead simply sacrificed the team to the prism of race, class, and gender. Brodhead trotted himself out with Rev Barber and the rest of the Durham Black leaders as being men of dignity during very troubled times guiding the community through a racial divide. It was, of course false, and they all knew it.<BR/><BR/>All very Machiavellian! However what Steel & Brodhead forget is that Niccolò Machiavelli, was removed from office and tortured. He retired and now his name is a legacy which “describes one who deceives and manipulates others for gain” <BR/><BR/>The whole affair was a Red Herring and it just continyes<BR/><BR/>KC, you're the tops!<BR/><BR/>BaldoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-47683997747910038082008-07-14T13:40:00.000-04:002008-07-14T13:40:00.000-04:00To the 1.10:I would urge you to recheck the post, ...To the 1.10:<BR/><BR/>I would urge you to recheck the post, which reads as follows:<BR/><BR/>"Duke attorneys Jamie Gorelick and Dan McLamb wrote,<BR/><BR/>"'[The lacrosse players] contend that Duke and its employees violated their legal rights by providing the police with information about the alleged rape during the investigation. They also contend that the University had a legal obligation to quell public debate about the alleged rape. <B><I>In essence</I></B>, Plaintiffs argue that the University had a legal duty to stand between themselves and the prosecutor, and to try to prevent the police and prosecutor from investigating them for a very serious crime.'"<BR/><BR/>Emphasis added, just so you could pick it up. Sorry you missed it the first time.kcjohnson9https://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.com