tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post2909213783451946485..comments2024-02-24T05:19:10.949-05:00Comments on Durham-in-Wonderland: Morning Session Highlightskcjohnson9http://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comBlogger140125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-4489797071662075582007-09-02T00:45:00.000-04:002007-09-02T00:45:00.000-04:00Inman - Your need a breatherizer gadget attached t...Inman - Your need a breatherizer gadget attached to your computer with a pass/fail result.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-86045254108438501732007-08-31T09:50:00.000-04:002007-08-31T09:50:00.000-04:00Anon@11:11 wrote:"InmanI have not the slightest id...Anon@11:11 wrote:<BR/><BR/><I>"Inman<BR/><BR/>I have not the slightest idea what you just wrote."</I><BR/><BR/>I don't have the slightest idea what inman wrote either. Good grief ... that guy's thoughts can sure get random and sluggish. One of these days, they'll probably grind to halt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-48523790121911779642007-08-31T08:15:00.000-04:002007-08-31T08:15:00.000-04:00steven horwitz said:"I'll treat academic abuse as ...steven horwitz said:<BR/>"I'll treat academic abuse as equivalent to prosecutorial abuse when faculty have the power to lock people up for 30 years."<BR/><BR/>A lot of Duke faculty were eager to do anything they could to help. That's playing rough. There must be consequences ... consequences other than the <B>rewards</B> they have so received from within academia.<BR/><BR/>If academia can't punish them then outsiders will have to, and we will be asking whether practices and institutions you hold dear are part of the problem. If holding people accountable for wrongdoing is compatible with tenure and academic self governance, start doing it already. If it's not, I'm going to consider holding people responsible the more important value.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-86100830836987209282007-08-31T08:08:00.000-04:002007-08-31T08:08:00.000-04:00anon 5:11 pm"It is true that someone looking to ge...anon 5:11 pm<BR/><BR/>"It is true that someone looking to get Nifong off the hook can point to specific Meehan statements as exonerating. But, I hope that Smith is smarter, and more honest and responsibele and courageous than that..."<BR/><BR/>Don't hold your breath. He's a North Carolina judge.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-4747334442788814082007-08-31T00:22:00.000-04:002007-08-31T00:22:00.000-04:00to inmanAnother myth about black getting harsher s...to inman<BR/><BR/>Another myth about black getting harsher sentences, that was not the case at Lompoc. <BR/><BR/>The max side had muderers, robbers, aggravated assault, etc.<BR/><BR/>The minimum side had spies, drug lords, income tax evaders, embezzlers, etc. the sentences on the minimum side seemed to be about 10 years longer that the max side. <BR/><BR/>9.39Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-85773980264009665222007-08-31T00:04:00.000-04:002007-08-31T00:04:00.000-04:00to inman 10.59- you said:But on another, I have to...to inman 10.59- you said:<BR/><BR/>But on another, I have to ask if relying on statistics doesn't lead one to the notion of "profiling"... (my tongue is firmly planted in cheek)<BR/><BR/>100% of the 9/11 attackers were islamic men, but we cannot assume that islamic men should be scrutinized as potential adversaries. Otherwise, we are profiling.<BR/>:::::<BR/><BR/>I'm not sure why profiling needs to get a bad rap. It can be, but let's look at Isreal. They are the masters at profiling at the airport and it has been 100% safe--say what you like. <BR/><BR/>They profile in the prisons. I visited Lompoc Federal prison in CA years ago as part of an academic project. The prison was divided into high and minimum security. Guess where they put white collar felons? <BR/><BR/>The minimum side was about 80% white and the max side was 80% black. The minimum side did not wear uniforms (which scared me-what if we had a lock-down? How would you know the good guys?)<BR/>The max side wore uniforms--profiled as more likely to try to escape and have riots, etc.<BR/><BR/>9.39Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-74120537628245138392007-08-30T23:43:00.000-04:002007-08-30T23:43:00.000-04:00So, inman, do you mean America, love it or leave i...So, inman, do you mean <BR/><BR/>America, love it or leave it?<BR/><BR/> <BR/>from 9.39Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-79622605629677228052007-08-30T23:27:00.000-04:002007-08-30T23:27:00.000-04:00InmanYou can't be sarcastic, and then serious. I d...Inman<BR/><BR/>You can't be sarcastic, and then serious. I don't know what your position is, so I can't riposte.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-60713980196223744772007-08-30T23:16:00.000-04:002007-08-30T23:16:00.000-04:0011:11I'm not sure to what you reference.11:11<BR/><BR/>I'm not sure to what you reference.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-86730425340367594282007-08-30T23:15:00.000-04:002007-08-30T23:15:00.000-04:00RRH @ 10:09 states:"I'm not sure what you mean by ...RRH @ 10:09 states:<BR/><BR/><I>"I'm not sure what you mean by "the extent to which the next rape is a function of race". But let me go out on a limb here and try to analogize your example: If 1 of 10,000 car-jackings is done by Amish women and 9,999 of 10,000 car-jackings are done by non-Amish men, then there is no reason to think that the next car-jacking wouldn't be done by an Amish woman? It's just a coin toss? Doesn't that sound silly? <BR/><BR/>I'm not saying that white men never rape black women, I'm saying that the lying metanarrative that postulates a history of "some point in the distant past when white men commonly raped black women with (at least near) impunity", is a blood libel that created "the steam" behind the false prosecution of the Laxers."</I><BR/><BR/>Your analogy regarding the Amish is simply a diversion. Even if the statistics supported a non-Amish man, the facts would still need to be determined without reference to the man/woman and Amish/non-Amish distinction.<BR/><BR/>With that said, I do agree with your characterization of the metanarrative and the blood libel, for I have yet to hear a reasoned and fact-based account of the so-called White man's lust for black women's flesh. My sense is that there is only limited factual support for that assertion, that the limited support is often emotionally based, and that it is simply a convenient assertion for those espousing a black racist agenda.<BR/><BR/>I'd be delighted to hear unqualified evidence to the contrary.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-47190130159597238852007-08-30T23:11:00.000-04:002007-08-30T23:11:00.000-04:00InmanI have not the slightest idea what you just w...Inman<BR/><BR/>I have not the slightest idea what you just wrote.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-89087552582215205652007-08-30T22:59:00.000-04:002007-08-30T22:59:00.000-04:009:39On one level, I wholeheartedly agree with you....9:39<BR/><BR/>On one level, I wholeheartedly agree with you.<BR/><BR/>But on another, I have to ask if relying on statistics doesn't lead one to the notion of "profiling"... (my tongue is firmly planted in cheek)<BR/><BR/>100% of the 9/11 attackers were islamic men, but we cannot assume that islamic men should be scrutinized as potential adversaries. Otherwise, we are profiling.<BR/><BR/>__________________________<BR/><BR/>My view....we should adopt a national policy of xenophobia and question everyone who does not have 100 year old bona fides. And if those new to this country are truly adherents to American ideals, then we can welcome them with open arms.<BR/><BR/>But if newcomers cannot assert allegience to what our nation holds dear .... affirmatively assert allegience ... then they should not be allowed the blessings of a liberty purchased with the blood of our forefathers.<BR/><BR/>I welcome all who hold dear the gift of liberty and freedom. <BR/><BR/>All others are my enemy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-86436403205190934092007-08-30T22:50:00.000-04:002007-08-30T22:50:00.000-04:00I have detected a number of posts here that appear...I have detected a number of posts here that appear to be in Mr. P's style.<BR/><BR/>I even came across a Jamil Hussein in the last day or so.<BR/><BR/>In any case - I think one of the secret motives in this case and the topic has come up off and on in the comments is that what we are seeing is only the surface of the action.<BR/><BR/>We could start with some obvious questions. Who are the fathers of CGM's children? And a host of other questions that follow from that. Like is she receiving child support from some one? Some one would have to follow he money.<BR/><BR/>A client list from the week before the LAX party might be unfortunate.<BR/><BR/>Didn't they screw up her cell phone so call records from it couldn't be received?M. Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09508934110558197375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-16982340454290614182007-08-30T22:37:00.000-04:002007-08-30T22:37:00.000-04:00In sum, what does a moral society do with its lyin...<I>In sum, what does a moral society do with its lying whores?</I><BR/><BR/>Give them a big bed and make them lie in it.M. Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09508934110558197375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-819071039559203602007-08-30T22:35:00.000-04:002007-08-30T22:35:00.000-04:00I do not believe Nifong cared about the player's p...I do not believe Nifong cared about the player's privacy.<BR/><BR/>I think they knew who the "excess" DNA matched. Or at least one "important" person who it matched.<BR/><BR/>I believe there is a contract out on Nifong contingent on his silence.<BR/><BR/>Why do I believe this? Human nature.M. Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09508934110558197375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-85764602921932401202007-08-30T22:18:00.000-04:002007-08-30T22:18:00.000-04:00I don't know what other posters here think, but is...I don't know what other posters here think, but isn't it strange that a supposed historian refuses to delve into a lot of the most important aspects of the case?<BR/><BR/>1. Investigation of Cooper's reasons for refusing to prosecute the whore.<BR/>2. Investigation into who is financing the whore, and what the whore is up to (is she still sucking bamboo for a living?).<BR/>3. Whore enablers among the legislation--federal, etc.<BR/>4. Anti-lying-whore legislation?<BR/><BR/>In sum, what does a moral society do with its lying whores?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-19957545719506300472007-08-30T22:13:00.000-04:002007-08-30T22:13:00.000-04:00@inman 9:07 PMYou are absolutely correct that the ...@inman 9:07 PM<BR/><BR/>You are absolutely correct that the statistical history has no bearing on future individual rapes.<BR/><BR/>It does, however, cast some doubt on the Anger Studies "narrative".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-70235701259272198622007-08-30T22:11:00.000-04:002007-08-30T22:11:00.000-04:00no justice, no peace said... Would you characte...no justice, no peace said...<BR/><BR/><I> Would you characterize prosecutorial abuse more or less rampant than intellectual abuse within the AAAs and Women's Studies programs? </I><BR/><BR/>Would you rather be abused by a prosecutor or by a member of the Angry Studies cabal?M. Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09508934110558197375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-46203737675335987862007-08-30T22:10:00.000-04:002007-08-30T22:10:00.000-04:00InmanThe point that Hamilton was making is that th...Inman<BR/><BR/>The point that Hamilton was making is that the DPD should have profiled the allegations.<BR/><BR/>1. fat, ugly whore thug with a smelly fish tale<BR/>2. upstanding citizens with solid alibis<BR/>3. stats that show that white-on-black gang rape is virtually nonexistent<BR/><BR/>The whore's entire story was ridiculous, and hamilton is correct to state the obvious.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-38431380686174545642007-08-30T22:09:00.000-04:002007-08-30T22:09:00.000-04:00Anonymous said... RRHamilton -- "We will avoid fut...<I><B>Anonymous said... </B><BR/>RRHamilton -- <BR/><BR/>"We will avoid future Tawana and Crystal hoaxes if we can teach ourselves and then younger generations that at all times in American history -- now, during Jim Crow, or during slavery -- the incidence of white-on-black rape was always extremely rare and was always less than the incidence of black-on-white rape."<BR/><BR/><B>Except that we have no convincing evidence for such a statement. </B>The lacrosse players were 100% innocent of the charges against them, but their innocence does not transfer. I won't mince words; it was disgusting to watch racists declare that when the alleged victim is a black woman and the alleged rapist is a white man, guilt can easily be determined from no more than the races involved. <B>It's no less disgusting to watch you declare that in the same circumstances, innocence can easily be determined from no more than the races involved. </B><BR/><BR/>8/30/07 8:29 PM <BR/></I><BR/><BR/>First, there is <B>ample evidence</B> of what I said. Google Diane M. Sommerville for starters. And take the Hamilton Challenge -- offered here several times, but never taken: Find the last time white men were convicted of gang-raping a black woman. Maybe you can find a more recent case than I have. (Note: FBI stats, which increasing obfuscate the real color of interracial crime, indicate that there are between 1,200 and 3,000 black-on-white <B>gang</B>rapes annually.)<BR/><BR/>Second, you have <B>seriously mischaracterized</B> my argument by saying it is that "innocence can easily be determined from no more than the races involved." More on that below in my reply to Inman.<BR/><BR/><I><B>inman said... </B><BR/>rrh @ 8:29 </I>[actually 2:48 PM]<I><BR/><BR/>I've listened to the arguments on both sides of the issue...that the incidence of white raping black is important or that guilt is not a function of race.<BR/><BR/>Here's my take. RRH ... if only 1 of 10,000 cases of rape involve a white perpretrator and black victim and if 9,999 of 10,000 involve a black perpretrator and a white victim ... <BR/><BR/>... the extent to which the next rape is a function of race is independent of history ... just as a coin toss -- heads or tails -- does not depend upon the previous toss.<BR/></I><BR/><BR/>I'm not sure what you mean by "the extent to which the next rape is a <B>function of race</B>". But let me go out on a limb here and try to analogize your example: If 1 of 10,000 car-jackings is done by Amish women and 9,999 of 10,000 car-jackings are done by non-Amish men, then there is no reason to think that the next car-jacking wouldn't be done by an Amish woman? It's just a coin toss? Doesn't that sound silly? <BR/><BR/>I'm not saying that white men never rape black women, I'm saying that the lying metanarrative that postulates a history of "some point in the distant past when white men <B>commonly</B> raped black women with (at least near) impunity", is a blood libel that created "the steam" behind the false prosecution of the Laxers.<BR/><BR/>R.R. HamiltonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-87342467921685245132007-08-30T21:39:00.000-04:002007-08-30T21:39:00.000-04:00inman at 9.07Of course every rape case has to be i...inman at 9.07<BR/><BR/>Of course every rape case has to be investigated by following evidence. However, detectives do make some assumptions as to who might me possible perps. If Precious had claimed 3 white 70 year males had raped her and made threatening slurs, they would certainly not taken her accusations very seriously.<BR/><BR/>It's that kind of PC mentality that has the airports in such a mess. I'm a very short, very tiny, older, white female, . Not on any terrorist profile. But I guess I was the 50th or whatever person to go thru a line, and I got the whole treatment. I was "searched" along with some poor guy in a wheelchair, that had tinkled in his pants. The poor man was was crying. But they could say "We are not biased, see we are searching EVERYBODY" <BR/><BR/>The eveidence is overwhelming that women that are murdered, are murdered by someone in their life--partner, husband, etc. That's were they always start. No reason why PDs cannot use stats as a starting point. I mean, really, when was the last time a "dancer" in Durham was raped at one of her performances? And if she lied once, why could they use that information to cast doubts? They had plenty of time to gather all that before going to the grand jury.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-32436754419183756062007-08-30T21:37:00.000-04:002007-08-30T21:37:00.000-04:00TO 9:24PM--You're being deliberately naive or stup...TO 9:24PM--<BR/><BR/>You're being deliberately naive or stupid.<BR/><BR/>Polanski?<BR/><BR/>No one else would come to his defense.<BR/><BR/>LIS!Debrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04567454727276881424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-6553345742243415692007-08-30T21:24:00.000-04:002007-08-30T21:24:00.000-04:00DeborahThere is no evidence that "Polanski is on t...Deborah<BR/><BR/>There is no evidence that "Polanski is on the premises."<BR/><BR/>What is your beef with him, anyway?<BR/><BR/>I've been posting here long enough to recognize a "Polanski."<BR/><BR/>He stopped posting here when he was banned. That's obvious.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-12810329783596236102007-08-30T21:07:00.000-04:002007-08-30T21:07:00.000-04:00rrh @ 8:29I've listened to the arguments on both s...rrh @ 8:29<BR/><BR/>I've listened to the arguments on both sides of the issue...that the incidence of white raping black is important or that guilt is not a function of race.<BR/><BR/>Here's my take. RRH ... if only 1 of 10,000 cases of rape involve a white perpretrator and black victim and if 9,999 of 10,000 involve a black perpretrator and a white victim ... <BR/><BR/>... the extent to which the next rape is a function of race is independent of history ... just as a coin toss -- heads or tails -- does not depend upon the previous toss.<BR/><BR/>Now, that's my hypothesis. And the consequence of that hypothesis is that each reported case of alleged rape must be evaluated on the basis of fact and not on the basis of historical bias or historical statistics or cultural predisposition.<BR/><BR/>With all due respect, the notion that race is a factor in determining innocence or guilt is simply not tenable. <BR/><BR/>Your comments indicating otherwise are becoming most hollow.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-855415219067944702007-08-30T20:38:00.000-04:002007-08-30T20:38:00.000-04:00I want to issue a warning that Polanski is on the ...I want to issue a warning that Polanski is on the premises.Debrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04567454727276881424noreply@blogger.com