tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post3459854712230176290..comments2024-02-24T05:19:10.949-05:00Comments on Durham-in-Wonderland: With Friends Like These . . .kcjohnson9http://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comBlogger58125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-8034090559516236552007-11-13T19:41:00.000-05:002007-11-13T19:41:00.000-05:00Anon 11:31pm --Just to acknowledge reading your co...Anon 11:31pm --<BR/><BR/>Just to acknowledge reading your comment. You make a few worthwhile points. Some of the other ones, not so good.<BR/><BR/>If you meant to rebut any of the observations made at 11/12/07 at 9:40am, I may have missed that.<BR/><BR/>Except "funny that the poster above mentions CHARLOTTE SIMMONS." Not so humorous, actually. My point in bringing it up was that Evans, Finnerty, Seligmann, and their teammates and coach didn't deserve what was dealt to them <I>even granting that the narrative in Wolfe's novel of Dupont College should be taken as the Literal Truth About Duke And Every Member Of The Lacrosse Team.</I><BR/><BR/>Also see <I>Project, Innocence</I> for a variation on this theme.<BR/><BR/>You report that Sgt. Gottlieb's actions during the Hoax/Frame were wholly admirable. Well, it hardly seem so from this distance.<BR/><BR/>You suggest that your Trinity Park neighbors had nothing to do with the "CASTRATE" and "GIVE THEM EQUAL MEASURE" potbangers. Maybe the listserv messages that have been made public don't give quite the right impression. But I'm not from there--perhaps your assertions would ring true with the "Liestoppers" crew, who include a number of Durham residents. But even if <I>some</I> Trinity Park people joined the Rush to Condemn party, that doesn't mean that <I>everyone</I> did.<BR/><BR/>As far as taking responsibility by apologizing for their harmful actions, doesn't seem that anyone save the lacrosse players have done much better than the faculty and activists you describe as the <I>real</I> potbangers.AMachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08872008617279528583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-7865377332836805732007-11-12T23:31:00.000-05:002007-11-12T23:31:00.000-05:00All that b...s... above does not change the simple...All that b...s... above does not change the simple fact that you people on this blog are trying to pretend that Duke students do not have a history of misbehaving in the Trinity Park neighborhood and that the defense's attempt to make it look as if Gottlieb was arresting students for no reason and that this explained his motive for "framing" the Duke 3 is "a crock". The people of Trinity Park did not do anything except:<BR/><BR/>1.confirm that there was a history of problems with students in the neighborhood when asked by the press.<BR/><BR/>2.defend Gottlieb when he was defamed by the defense lawyers and their media tool at the News and Observer, Neff, who dutifully wrote a story with their theory on Gottlieb's motives according to the defense. In reality, Gottlieb was one of the few really helpful officers who enforced the police crackdown on these drunken disrespectful youngsters. The whole neighborhood was grateful to him. We all know he worked the later shifts when there was more drinking=more arrests. So much for the defense's B.S. theory about Gottlieb's motives.<BR/><BR/>3.The only reason there was a crackdown in the first place was that the students did not curb their behavior when they recieved tickets or summons in the past. The students are a very entitled bunch as a group and have ignored warnings, tickets,etc. The neighborhood did not see any improvement until the penalties increased and there were arrests. It is that simple; there is no grand conspiracy to violate student rights, etc. The main objective in the neighborhood was to protect the property values and to not have vomit, urine and broken bottles in the yard, on the side of houses or thrown at neighbors. Period.<BR/><BR/>4.You cannot prove any of the neighbors participated in the pot banging and some of us did not even vote for Nifong. So much for the "enabling" lie. Most of the potbangers were members of Faculty and activsim groups.<BR/><BR/> And last but not least, funny that the poster above mentions CHARLOTTE SIMMONS which was based on Duke and heavily researched there by Wolfe. In the novel, Lacrosse players were depicted as a group of sexual predators(wonder why?)as a whole. Guess the Duke 3 can add Tom Wolfe to the lawsuit list. Oops. I forgot. His book was published well BEFORE the rape allegations. Wow what a coincidence! Tom Wolfe, a world famous writer known for his roman a clef style and meticulous in the field research goes to Duke (and some other colleges but primarily Duke, where his daughter just graduated) and spends months researching, interviewing students, faculty, and even attending student parties as source material for his book...and he just happens to come up with a very negative depiction of the lacrosse team as drunken bullies that take advantage of girls. Maybe some of you on here can interview Tom about why he wrote what he did. You can then add him to your blog hitlist like you did the residents of Trinity Park.<BR/><BR/>And to Debrah,<BR/> B---h, please. If you do not like Durham, the triangle etc and consider it low rent, then move back to wherever you came from; you are definitely not a real North Carolinian even though you try to ape the white supremacy and classism of some of the people down here. All you have is their prejudices which you are parading to the world on this blog in a desperate attempt to fit in.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-86707904201292535692007-11-12T09:40:00.000-05:002007-11-12T09:40:00.000-05:00Anon 11/9/07 5:33am / 11/10/07 10:17pm wrote -- "Y...Anon 11/9/07 5:33am / 11/10/07 10:17pm wrote -- <BR/><BR/>"You people"<BR/><BR/>Anon, there is no "you people of this blog" that doesn't include the person who stares back at you from the mirror. You are unwittingly addressing a bunch of different individuals with distinctive takes.<BR/><BR/>Of course, it's harder to direct a response when some post anonymously (again, check mirror).<BR/><BR/>More to your point: if you look into the Innocence Project's profiles of people who have been wrongly convicted of capital crimes, you will be surprised to find that some of these fellows are <I>not nice.</I> Many didn't commit the murder that landed them on Death Row, but have done other bad stuff over the years.<BR/><BR/>Is the Project therefore a public <I>disservice</I>? "Whatever they did is bad enough"?<BR/><BR/>Your stereotype of the You People doesn't take into account that many of us/them have read <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_Charlotte_Simmons#Major_themes" REL="nofollow">Charlotte Simmons</A> and <A HREF="http://durhamwonderland.blogspot.com/2006/11/womens-studies-does-lacrosse.html#c6831967607484632795" REL="nofollow">Stuart Rosjacker</A>.<BR/><BR/>Had your Trinity Park pals focused on legitimate Quality-of-Life concerns, they would have a powerful case. Had they apologized for their part in the railroading once the outline of the Hoax/Frame became clear, they'd have salvaged a morally respectable position.<BR/><BR/>But they didn't, and they didn't. <I>Schadenfreude</I> is fun while it lasts, but your Potbanging comrades forgot about its tendency to curdle.<BR/><BR/>By all means, if you think your disgruntled chums should sue, urge them to do so. Many of 'us' who are interested in the Hoax/Frame from afar--I'm a damnyankee, <I>gasp!</I>--think that a proper Failure Analysis would be facilitated by the facts that lawsuits' Discovery processes would bring to light.<BR/><BR/>On the other hand, if Progressive Trinity Park residents draw the lesson that they should henceforth refrain from supporting unjust felony charges, <I>even when laid against people they have reason to dislike</I>: perhaps they learned something useful. Maybe that insight will help them in solving their neighborhood's day-to-day problems.AMachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08872008617279528583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-56221864688090035902007-11-11T19:57:00.000-05:002007-11-11T19:57:00.000-05:00TO cowardly anonymous attack dog @ (10:15 PM)--I a...TO cowardly anonymous attack dog @ (10:15 PM)--<BR/><BR/>I advise you to reread some of the posts above.<BR/><BR/>They outline in detail so much more about this issue than I ever could. "traveler" has found quite interesting information that you have ignored.<BR/><BR/>Instead, you choose to continue your cowardly anonymous attack on me because I post with my name. Your tactics here show what kind of character you have. None.<BR/><BR/>No one here is "dishing" anything.<BR/><BR/>Your friends are low-rent. They participated in the pot-banging slander. Many posters above have commented on this fact.<BR/><BR/>See if you can answer some of those issues which many commenters have revealed for us. Perhaps you can attack them as well.<BR/><BR/>You're a fool and attacking and threatening people are all you have left.<BR/><BR/>I am done with you, coward.Debrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04567454727276881424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-30545605120223394622007-11-10T22:15:00.000-05:002007-11-10T22:15:00.000-05:00If the Duke students were the saints you people al...If the Duke students were the saints you people allege, why would there need to be any "revenge"? A large group of people do not wake up and just decide to tell the newpaper about their neighbors' behavior requiring the presence of police if there is no history behind it. Face it, there is a long history there and the people of Trinity Park actually lived next door to these miscreants and they were not under any illusions about what these young men were capable of whatsoever. It is well known here in Trinity Park that the last police call to 610 Buchanon before this incident involved a young, naked white woman seen coming out of a window and then running to Duke's campus. This occured about a year before the alleged rape incident and several of the Trinity Park neighbors called in to 911 about it. I guess since a young WHITE woman may have been mistreated there, that might give a pause to even someone like you, Debrah. But it probably won't because you are trying to promote your own metanarrative and so is this blog. Like I said, the rest of Durham knows the truth, however, and this revisionism will not work for anyone except Yankees who do not live in Durham and read this blog thinking the people posting here are in touch locally, which you are not. <BR/><BR/>And as for trying to threaten or silence someone, you have a nerve as you were the one who started out obliquely threatening the Dagenhearts with "the lawsuits are just starting in the Duke case" and "I think your friends need to stop talking", etc. I just reminded YOU that lawsuits can go both ways and if they chose to sue YOU they have a lot of evidence on their side that what they said about student behavior is true and what you said about them trying to redline the neighborhood is b---s--t, like 99% of what you say on this blog,Debrah. As usual, you people can dish it out but you cannot take it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-42100394084137287642007-11-09T10:09:00.000-05:002007-11-09T10:09:00.000-05:00TO 5:33 AM--It's futile to even have a conversatio...TO 5:33 AM--<BR/><BR/>It's futile to even have a conversation with someone like you.<BR/><BR/>You obviously are so close to the people there--or you live in the neighborhood yourself--that you cannot and do not wish to see the wild difference between punishing Duke students for unruly and annoying behavior......and actively aiding--publicly--in their possible imprisonment on false felony charges.<BR/><BR/>You, and those like you, exemplify Durham.<BR/><BR/>Clueless, at best.<BR/><BR/>Harmful, at your worst.<BR/><BR/>This blog has revealed facts about what these people did. You cannot change that by trying to silence and threaten participants.<BR/><BR/>And I couldn't care less about the "history" of Trinity Park. It's a knock-off joint.<BR/><BR/>This blog has only illuminated what some of its residents did out of pettiness and "revenge".Debrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04567454727276881424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-50275955988697337092007-11-09T05:33:00.000-05:002007-11-09T05:33:00.000-05:00Maybe you need to stop talking because lacrosse pl...Maybe you need to stop talking because lacrosse players are not the only ones who can sue someone! What you said about them was hateful and demonstrably untrue and if they chose to sue you in court about your comments, they would win.<BR/><BR/>As to the rest of the country knowing something, how the hell would they know of the long history of Trinity Park and the problems with Duke students there if they are not from here and have not been reading the local reports for a number of years? Most of the "rest of the country" people on this blog are the stupid ones on here writing about "dont move near an airport and then complain" when that is not the case in Trinity park! <BR/><BR/>The out of town people only know the "reality" of Durham from defense lawyers' spin and this blog. Unfortunately, most of the people on this blog are blind to the realities of the situation. For example, instead of condemning the poor behavior of Duke students in this case and in the Trinity Park area in general(unruly behavior, neigborhood complaints and arrests in the area which are well documented in the N and O and the Herald Sun and go back aabout 15 years and would certainly be available for display in court in any lawsuit), the majority of people on this blog chose to attack the people at Trinity Park rather than to admit that some Dukies were not good citizens and were disrespecting their neighbors. The reason for this behavior on the blog is the fear that admitting the truth about student behavior there might depict the LAX team in a less than favorable light and also would weaken the theory that Gottlieb was persecuting Duke students unjustly, etc. Too bad the rest of Durham knows the true history of the Trinity Park situation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-40207268985250356142007-11-08T10:23:00.000-05:002007-11-08T10:23:00.000-05:00TO 3:19 AM--Good luck in your future defense of th...TO 3:19 AM--<BR/><BR/>Good luck in your future defense of these people.<BR/><BR/>If you wish to talk about what's offensive and libelous, just revisit what those people did and said about the innocent lacrosse players....at a crucial time when they were in harm's way.<BR/><BR/>Their comments fueled community upheaval and death threats from the New Black Panthers.<BR/><BR/>You might not want to get too close to that.<BR/><BR/>After all, the civil suits are just beginning for Durham. Don't ever accuse me or anyone else on this blog of anything except relaying the truth that the entire country knows.<BR/><BR/>I think your friends just need to sit back and stop talking.Debrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04567454727276881424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-65267978245167795102007-11-08T03:19:00.000-05:002007-11-08T03:19:00.000-05:00There is no revisionism from the Trinity Park peop...There is no revisionism from the Trinity Park people. The truth is that the Duke students have been terrorising that neighborhood for about 15 years and that is why the people there support Gottlieb and the police crackdown. There have been many incidents and many of the worst ones were covered in the local press so they are not exaggerating the history one bit.<BR/><BR/> Like a lot of older neighborhoods in the Triangle, Trinity Park is very stable and most of the people have lived there a long time and have been there BEFORE the Duke students moved in so the analogy about people moving near an airport and therefore having no right to complain is frankly stupid as it does not apply to this case. Also,the area was gentrified some time ago so to accuse the Dagenhearts of exploiting the neighborhood in some way is just ridiculous but that is typical of the character assassination practiced by people on this blog like Debrah, who has said a lot of things that are frankly libelous about the Dagenhearts, IMO, and like a lot of this blog, have no basis in reality.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-66676857806488041502007-11-05T13:32:00.000-05:002007-11-05T13:32:00.000-05:00"This is why Californians are so hated in Washingt..."This is why Californians are so hated in Washington/Oregon/Idaho/Montana. After they drive up real estate prices beyond the reach of the locals, they demand that horses be kept off the streets and the local saddlrey start serving lattes. Won't even go into the PC politics they bring to town meetings, imposing everything on the locals that they fled the Golden State to escape. The locals call them Californicators."<BR/><BR/>In New Hampshire we get "Massholes," who move up here to avoid the taxes and crime and immediately start voting for higher taxes and more "social benefits" and "compassion" for criminals.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-48116131363422383892007-11-04T08:24:00.000-05:002007-11-04T08:24:00.000-05:00"Is this really what public discourse has come to?...<I>"Is this really what public discourse has come to?"</I><BR/><BR/>Yes.<BR/><BR/>There is no easy way to describe petty cretins.<BR/><BR/>Don't fake refinement and plead a weak stomach after what we have all witnessed from many residents in Trinity Park.<BR/><BR/>And living in the Triangle as I do does not make me a stranger to this location.<BR/><BR/>The Dagenharts made themselves an issue by their abhorrent behavior in the Spring of 2006. They played an overt role in slamming the lacrosse players in the media.....and we will not forget that DPD's Gottlieb was always on their speed dial.<BR/><BR/>Living anywhere for a decade as you say they have makes them a part of the community---hook, line, and sinker.<BR/><BR/>In fact, given their pathetic role in the Lacrosse Hoax, I really wasn't hard enough on them.<BR/><BR/>Have they apologized for their slander?Debrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04567454727276881424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-38844644697312510532007-11-04T08:19:00.000-05:002007-11-04T08:19:00.000-05:006:44It's the Dagenhart's revisionism and visciousn...6:44<BR/><BR/>It's the Dagenhart's revisionism and visciousness toward the young men - (not only their neighborhood identity) - that's so troubling. Most of us understand what it's like to have loud, drunken neighbors. Most of us would not insist that loud drunken behavior - (which was not, apparently, in much evidence at the lacrosse house) - was somehow deserving of charges of rape, hooliganism and racism.<BR/><BR/>The Dagenharts helped build the animus: they have to ride it, as well.machttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14248016116043347912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-73459259362761587242007-11-04T06:44:00.000-05:002007-11-04T06:44:00.000-05:00I think some correction about Trinity Park is warr...I think some correction about Trinity Park is warranted:<BR/><BR/>1) Ellen and John Dagenhart weren't somehow involved in starting revitalization and gentrification in TP. And the idea that it happened with some kind of partnership with this so-called gang of 88 is, sorry folks, ridiculous. First of all, the Dagenharts have lived in the neighborhood for only about a decade; revitalization began in the mid-1970s.<BR/><BR/>2) The poster who noted that Trinity Park was a well-established, strong neighborhood in advance to Duke students moving in in large numbers in the 1990s is absolutely correct. Please note that public urination is by no means the only perceived offense; I know of one neighbor who had a beer bottle thrown at her head by a drunk young person, and others who've had petty vandalism on their property. (None of this was done by the lacrosse players, by the way, to the best of my knowledge.)<BR/><BR/>3) "Those Trinity Park maggots are an overt strain of bloodsuckers. Every town has them. Tacky little matrons like Ellen Dagenhart and their trained husbands will move into a neighborhood on a deal, fix up a home that they bought on the cheap....then proceed to buy a few rundown homes in the neighborhood nearby."<BR/><BR/>Is this really what public discourse has come to? Three levels of assumptions, insults and bravada by people who've never set foot in the neighborhood? Who don't know these people? (And as noted above, sorry, but this isn't what happened contemporaneously with the Dagenharts and TP.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-18336939204996740252007-11-04T01:00:00.000-04:002007-11-04T01:00:00.000-04:00All that said, to reference the specific topic of ...<I>All that said, to reference the specific topic of this post, I fear that by their participation in the potbangers' organization, the Dagenharts have forfeited the right to lecture anyone else on "manners," basic or otherwise.</I><BR/><BR/>KC - what information do you have that the Dagenharts were involved in any of the "potbanging?"Barryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16073882418363018511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-15937431153576230312007-11-03T21:32:00.000-04:002007-11-03T21:32:00.000-04:00As ralph phelan @ 11/02 10:37 AM notes:Moving into...As ralph phelan @ 11/02 10:37 AM notes:<BR/><BR/><I>Moving into an existing environment and then demanding as a matter of right that it be totally transformed for your convenience is pretty arrogant.</I><BR/><BR/>This is why Californians are so hated in Washington/Oregon/Idaho/Montana. After they drive up real estate prices beyond the reach of the locals, they demand that horses be kept off the streets and the local saddlrey start serving lattes. Won't even go into the PC politics they bring to town meetings, imposing everything on the locals that they fled the Golden State to escape. The locals call them Californicators.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-10097381383659603212007-11-03T20:38:00.000-04:002007-11-03T20:38:00.000-04:00(There has been an on-going discussion on LieStopp...(There has been an on-going discussion on LieStoppers Forum of Herman Melville scholarship in relationship to Richard Brodhead's academic record. Tonight Jim Coooney posted about the relationship of the Duke lacrosse case to Melville's greatest work Moby Dick (MD). This may at first appear to be off-topic but great literature reflects life.):<BR/><BR/>JimCooney Posted: Nov 3 2007, 05:11 PM <BR/>Newbie<BR/>roup: Members<BR/>Posts: 16<BR/>Member No.: 949<BR/>Joined: 13-April 07<BR/><BR/><BR/> Amen. MD remains the greatest novel penned by an American and one of the greatest works of fiction in Western literature. Like Ahab with the white whale, each time I read it, I pile new meanings on it. Moreover, it is fitting that in this of all cases - - one characterized by obsession to the disregard of everything, one in which so many people attempted to pile their own life views (or the way in which they believed that life worked) on one thing (the lacrosse team), and one in which the people in charge recklessly plowed forward and eventually lost everything - - that we ultimately end this case with a discussion of Melville and Moby-Dick. Nifong (and the 88) who sought to use the lacrosse case to impose meaning on the world would have been fitting members of the Pequod (and indeed would have gladly steered her to the whale itself).<BR/><BR/>And so, to end this post (and the case) I can think of nothing more appropriate than to quote from the last of Ahab:<BR/><BR/>"Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering whale; to the last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee. Sink all coffins and hearses to one common pool! and since neither can be mine, let me then tow to pieces, while still chasing thee, though tied to thee, thou damned whale! Thus, I give up the spear!"<BR/><BR/>The harpoon was darted; the stricken whale flew forward; with igniting velocity the line ran through the groove; - ran foul. Ahab stooped to clear it; he did clear it; but the flying turn caught him round the neck and voicelessly as Turkish mutes bowstring their victim, he was shot out of the boat, ere the crew knew he was gone."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-48952532762999221412007-11-03T17:25:00.000-04:002007-11-03T17:25:00.000-04:00I can sympathize with people who don't appreciate ...I can sympathize with people who don't appreciate loud parties at the expense of their quiet afternoons, their dinners, their sleep. As I write, the thugs across the street, or the thugga-&*^^%-non-intellectual, is playing his crappy hip hop loud enough for it to be heard from all parts of my house. <BR/><BR/>I understand loud music; I'm not that far removed from that age. I understand. But they also have a back yard and a side yard, and a front porch aims it directly through our home.<BR/><BR/>So can I sympathize with neighbors of college students? I've seen problems in many college-towns. It's gonna be an issue.<BR/><BR/>However, these days, getting even is so much more fun than just calling the law: if someone doesn't like kids peeing in their bushes, their are plenty of decent (and inexpensive) digital cameras to be had. Simply take a picture of the dude with his parts exposed, put it on UTube (after the arresting officer gives you the boys' names) and send an email with a link to his/her parents, or to the college president. Johnny/Jamie will get the picture, directly or indirectly. And so will their parents. And friends. And professors.<BR/><BR/>In this case? We called the law. It was dealt with. And if they keep f'ing up? Lots of ordinances that deal with a house that needs repair: paint, downspouts, sagging porches. Lots of little things that may keep their attention on keeping their adult-man-child from causing them reciprocal harrassment. Besides, same as 4:35 said with regard to Trinity Park neighbors: we were here first.<BR/><BR/>If the neighbors of Duke students don't appreciate loud music and public urination, I'd think they could be creative. <BR/><BR/>And as 4:35 says:<BR/><BR/>"Distress about disruption is not the same as allegations of felonies."machttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14248016116043347912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-33480433032284779852007-11-03T16:35:00.000-04:002007-11-03T16:35:00.000-04:00"Neighbors who move into the noise cone of an airp..."Neighbors who move into the noise cone of an airport or across the street from a church, should not be surprised at the noise during peak air travel times or the lack of parking out front on Sunday mornings."<BR/><BR/>Except that is not what happened here. Duke students, during the Keohane administration, moved off campus in order to free themselves of drinking rules. In so doing some student groups began to have big parties lasting late into the night. So if there were "neighbors who moved into the noise cone.." it was the students, not the longer term residents.<BR/><BR/>In any event, distress about disruption is not the same as allegations of felonies, and the neighbors, while properly upset about the former, backed away pretty quickly from supporting the latter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-28267441804783065392007-11-03T11:51:00.000-04:002007-11-03T11:51:00.000-04:00Anonymous said... Enough - these Dagenharts have h...Anonymous said... <BR/>Enough - these Dagenharts have had their fifteen seconds - boring.<BR/>-----------------------------<BR/>Ellie, Do YOU think we should just "move on" again? When Mrs. Brodhead resigns, we can move on to other questionable “Hook-Ups”. Where is Ann Allison when you need her?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-28583096239022492502007-11-03T07:01:00.000-04:002007-11-03T07:01:00.000-04:00Inre: "...Students or anyone else who regularly di...Inre: "...Students or anyone else who regularly disregard their neighbors by making a lot of noise late into the night and early morning create deep feelings of animosity and resentment."<BR/><BR/>Neighbors who move into the noise cone of an airport or across the street from a church, should not be surprised at the noise during peak air travel times or the lack of parking out front on Sunday mornings.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-11834284249822175532007-11-02T18:59:00.000-04:002007-11-02T18:59:00.000-04:00Enough - these Dagenharts have had their fifteen s...Enough - these Dagenharts have had their fifteen seconds - boring.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-80646170148255882832007-11-02T14:02:00.000-04:002007-11-02T14:02:00.000-04:00Traveler has a point (a couple of them!) and they ...Traveler has a point (a couple of them!) and they remind me of the DC real estate crowd, when they'd drive white people out by selling to a black family, then scare the rest into selling - cheap.<BR/><BR/>Then they'd sell to black families - and they'd sell the properties for exhorbitant prices.<BR/><BR/>Anyone who doesn't think machinations such as these are above those in the real estate markets likely hides their teeth under their pillow (even the artificial ones.) Just in case the tooth fairy still makes house calls.<BR/><BR/>Whether or not the Dagenharts do such things? Don't know; don't care. No matter what their deeds are, whatever they've said with regard to the hoax and the suit "is bad enough."machttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14248016116043347912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-56033111190735922772007-11-02T13:54:00.000-04:002007-11-02T13:54:00.000-04:00I fear that by their participation in the potbange...<I> I fear that by their participation in the potbangers' organization, the Dagenharts have forfeited the right to lecture anyone else on "manners,"</I><BR/><BR/>Or noise violations, for that matter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-3942846999117192132007-11-02T13:15:00.000-04:002007-11-02T13:15:00.000-04:00To the 1.04:One thing that very much surprised me ...To the 1.04:<BR/><BR/>One thing that very much surprised me about this case was Duke's residential pattern, which is highly unusual--around 80% on campus, the others (mostly seniors) just off campus, and rigorous enforcement of alcohol policies on but not off campus. This is a structural problem--one that makes town/gown tensions all but inevitable. At the same time, it's my understanding "community" groups also have opposed the idea of Duke expanding, which would have enabled the building of more dorms.<BR/><BR/>All that said, to reference the specific topic of this post, I fear that by their participation in the potbangers' organization, the Dagenharts have forfeited the right to lecture anyone else on "manners," basic or otherwise.kcjohnson9https://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-85852863023620101652007-11-02T13:04:00.001-04:002007-11-02T13:04:00.001-04:00I doubt very much that the Dagenharts are "rich".A...I doubt very much that the Dagenharts are "rich".<BR/><BR/>All things being relative, if she had made millions in the real estate business, why live in a place like Trinity Park?<BR/><BR/>That's why I call them "WalMart people".<BR/><BR/>No doubt they have some money, but not <I>real money</I>.<BR/><BR/>(In the interest of full disclosure, I have had a broker's license since I was old enough to take the test. My father encouraged me to get one in case I ever wanted to use it--I haven't yet. He had a real estate company....and he was worried.....thinking that I should know more about life than music and drama.)<BR/><BR/>LOL!!!<BR/><BR/>If Dagenhart were "rich", she'd be buying up hotels and city buildings, not rundown houses.Debrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04567454727276881424noreply@blogger.com