tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post3629298507270311153..comments2024-02-24T05:19:10.949-05:00Comments on Durham-in-Wonderland: Laughter and Forgetting in Durhamkcjohnson9http://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-5642854315563995572006-10-13T02:59:00.000-04:002006-10-13T02:59:00.000-04:005:35 PM, I agree with you that this website has ha...5:35 PM, I agree with you that this website has had the unfortunate effect of polarizing those people who support the LAX players by dividing them into those who support the manner in which President Brodhead has handled the LAX situation and those who are critical of his performance. I believe that the LAX players are innocent, and I agree that the DA has committed a massive breach of legal ethics and deserves to be disbarred. However, I have been outraged by some of the criticism of Brodhead that I have seen on this website, most of which in my view is completely without merit. I am convinced that many of the people posting on this site are LAX team parents or friends of LAX team parents, that they are mad at Brodhead for canceling the LAX season and not meeting with them when they thought they were entitled to a meeting, and that they have decided to seek revenge by posting anonymous negative comments about him and agitating for the trustees to remove him as President of Duke. To me, the idea that the trustees would remove Brodhead as President of Duke because he cancelled the LAX season and has not been speaking out aggressively on behalf of the players is just ludicrous and reflects a biased, shallow, and one-dimensional analysis of the situation. Fortunately for Duke, Brodhead has not allowed himself to be distracted by this nonsense and has instead focused his time and energy on more important matters. In the last few months, as anyone who reads The Chronicle is aware, Brodhead has helped to raise a record amount of money for Duke; he has been the principal architect of a strategic plan which will guide Duke for the next 5 or 6 years and hopefully solidify its reputation as one of the top universities in the country; he has traveled to China to expand Duke’s presence in that important part of the world; and he has traveled to the Middle East to help the new Duke Islamic Studies Center establish connections there and lay the ground work for a new study abroad program that will provide a wonderful opportunity for students interested in Middle Eastern Studies. Duke is extremely fortunate to have such a brilliant and capable man as its President. I am confident that the trustees of Duke understand this and that they are not about to remove Brodhead as President of Duke just because he has not done the bidding of the LAX team parents.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-38368478054028551922006-10-12T18:59:00.000-04:002006-10-12T18:59:00.000-04:00Does anyone other than 10:17 AM really believe tha...Does anyone other than 10:17 AM really believe that "the Duke administration is working double-duty to do everything they can to see to it that these kids get convicted"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-12226000476401106512006-10-12T17:35:00.000-04:002006-10-12T17:35:00.000-04:00There is absolutely no reasoning with KC and his g...There is absolutely no reasoning with KC and his groupies on this blog. Regardless of the facts, they are going to find a conspiracy by the Duke administration. When facts come to light, they simply dismiss or ignore them.<br />The sad part is that whatever accurate analyses KC might actually stumble upon are necessarily called into question by his overt bias and obsessive desire to implicate the administration in a conspiracy to convict the players. Unbelievable, that is unless you are a KCoolade drinker.<br />It is extremely unlikely that the players are guilty. Too bad people like KC and his supporters have to polarize the support of the players by using this case as an opportunity to attack what many believe is a prudent and, under the circumstances, reasonable response by the administration.<br />One final comment, note how all the little KCoolade drinkers are going to attack what I say and ignore the fact that KC and his minions lied about the so-called attempt to erase history. And they lied because the truth as documented in the first two posts of this thread was ALWAYS there for them to see.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-64592862683484471002006-10-11T15:15:00.000-04:002006-10-11T15:15:00.000-04:005:21 PM, as I understand it, the episode at Yale i...5:21 PM, as I understand it, the episode at Yale involved a fight in a bar or restaurant between one football player and one hockey player. I think it goes without saying that Yale is not going to cancel its entire football season and its entire hockey season just because one player from each team got into a fight. This seems like a real no-brainer.<br /><br />However, I wonder what the response would have been if the captains of the Yale lacrosse team had staged a party attended by all or most of the team which featured rampant underage drinking, strippers, vile comments about broomsticks, racist remarks about thanking your grandpa for my nice cotton shirt, disgusting emails about killing strippers and skinning them and subsequent allegations of rape against multiple members of the team. Do you seriously think that in this situation, the Yale Administration would have done nothing and would have just let the team go right on playing games as if nothing had happened? If this is what you think, then I think you are a little naïve.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-65235647053768640462006-10-11T13:35:00.000-04:002006-10-11T13:35:00.000-04:00Professor, I would say that the Tuesday, 12:15 AM,...Professor, I would say that the Tuesday, 12:15 AM, update to your article convincingly demonstrates that the main point of your article, namely, that Duke wants to airbrush from history the names of those whose existence it now considers politically inconvenient, is completely wrong and that the many shrill comments from your readers patting you on the back for discovering this evil conspiracy are also completely wrong. Would you agree?<br /><br />In the article, you say that you confirmed that the LAX team parents did not ask Duke to eliminate the names of the players from its website and never even knew about it. However, the message from the Director of Internet Operations referenced in the update flatly contradicts these assurances from the LAX team parents. So who is lying, the Director of Internet Operations or the LAX team parents? Also, why did you check only with the LAX team parents and not with Duke before publishing your article, especially when you knew that there were not just three names missing from the website but 29 names? Could it be that you are serving as a mouthpiece for the LAX team parents and that you were so eager to take another shot at the Duke Administration that you did not care what Duke had to say about the matter? Whatever happened to fair and balanced?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-85311044610396206222006-10-11T12:38:00.000-04:002006-10-11T12:38:00.000-04:00Jim O'Sullivan,
I see many comments on this websi...Jim O'Sullivan,<br /><br />I see many comments on this website in which anonymous posters stick it to Brodhead and the Duke Administration. Would you agree that those anonymous posters are all gutless bastards and that we should not give a crap what they think?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-81460467142974994402006-10-09T10:17:00.000-04:002006-10-09T10:17:00.000-04:00TombZ: I personally think because of the possibili...TombZ: I personally think because of the possibility of that huge embarrassment the Duke administration is working double-duty to do everything they can to see to it that these kids get convicted. They are desperate and they will do anything to secure such an eventuality. It scares me to death to think what they are capable of doing. But, here is the thing. One little misstep, one little extra lie, one little cover up, and the whole thing will collapse on its face. It always happens, no exceptions!<br /><br />Brodhead and Steel, haven’t you learned anything from the whole Nixon incident? I pity you both. Your days are numbered, before you know it this gigantic lie that you helped foster and keep alive will collapse. You will be the two most embarrassed men in America. It is not far, it is coming.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-69910110732861111222006-10-08T21:53:00.000-04:002006-10-08T21:53:00.000-04:00Can you image Brodhead and other Duke administrato...Can you image Brodhead and other Duke administrators' embarrassment, in the event charges are dismissed this fall, if/when Collin and Reade rejoin the lacrosse team for the spring 2007 season (assuming they want to return)? If Dave were to be on the sideline for a game at the beginning of the season?<br /><br />Or, thinking (and hoping) even further ahead, when Duke makes the NCAA tournament and national TV?<br /><br />Oh, the horror, the horror...Greg Toombshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08093911019916154110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-80514112286020807132006-10-08T21:48:00.000-04:002006-10-08T21:48:00.000-04:00Yes, all three lacrosse players names were restore...Yes, all three lacrosse players names were restored. What K.C. neglects to mention is that so were the names of 19 other players on the 2004-2005 roster and 10 other names on the 2005-2006 roster. If administrators were simply trying to "forget" the names of the Finnerty, Read, and Seligmann, then how come they also removed 29 other names in the process? A lot of players were left off the roster for whatever reason. <br />Also, if the administrators were trying to remove the names of the three players by disabling links to the box scores, then why did they also disable the box score links for the women's lacrosse team? <br />At least in this case, there is no compelling evidence of a conspiracy. There is only a person who wants to find one so he has a vehicle for a ridiculous analogy (that he includes, I suppose, to show off his intellect or something). Anyone can find a conspiracy, you just have to avoid inconvenient facts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-35921413155612770992006-10-08T20:52:00.000-04:002006-10-08T20:52:00.000-04:00They ran off the lacrosse coach, too. Has he been...They ran off the lacrosse coach, too. Has he been erased from institutional memory and the team's website? Was he restored?<br /><br />Mold don't grow in the sunshine. Thanks for your efforts on this site. It is very important!kentuckylizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08110491371985845560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-72872041771341272006-10-08T17:21:00.000-04:002006-10-08T17:21:00.000-04:00Hasn't anyone noticed that 2 Yale football players...Hasn't anyone noticed that 2 Yale football players and some of their hockey players got arrested the other night. Didn't anyone notice what the Yale administration response was? We are not canceling any games and there will be no action against these players until there day in court. They stated the boys are innocent until proven guilty. Isn't that novel?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-45822244373655204202006-10-08T16:10:00.000-04:002006-10-08T16:10:00.000-04:00Now all three names are there. They've just added ...Now all three names are there. They've just added Reade like minutes ago. Oh, the magic of the internet.<br />KC, looks like your post made them do it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-37739829947757432162006-10-08T15:53:00.000-04:002006-10-08T15:53:00.000-04:00Get your rosters while they are hot. Indeed the ro...Get your rosters while they are hot. Indeed the rosters have been updated. I looked at cache of 2005-2006 roster saved by Google. No Collin, Dave, or Reade. I think KC made history. You un-erased it. Or rather Duke un-erased it-perhaps because they saw your article. Thanks, KC.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-68453693122197071472006-10-08T14:32:00.000-04:002006-10-08T14:32:00.000-04:00To 6:07am
How dare you to say let the legal proces...To 6:07am<br />How dare you to say let the legal process in Durham take care of everything!!! If we left this mess to be cared for by the Durham DA and co. we would continue to have another 500 Duke students arrested and 3 innocent young men would be sent to prison. Wake up and we all need to insist and pressure the Duke admin. to acknowledge what is going on down there. The only thing they will look at is the drop in rankings, When they drop out of the top 10 in best schools they might get concerned. We are from the midwest and have sent and encouraged many students to go to Duke. We would not encourage anyone to go there now!!!! THANK GOD for KC Johnson!!!! I don't know what we would do without him!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-77493095594008142332006-10-08T14:10:00.000-04:002006-10-08T14:10:00.000-04:00Thanks, learnedhand. Using the link you provided, ...Thanks, learnedhand. Using the link you provided, I easily discovered that 2005-2006 roster definitely contained names of Collin Finnerty and David Evans. So, it is a clear evidence of trying to erase history. As if Dave and Collin never even went to Duke. I guess it was not enough for Duke to turn its back on them, now Duke is trying to erase the evidence Dave and Collin were ever there. Maybe they hope everybody will just forget the accused ever went to Duke? After all, it’s too long to wait for the trial to “prove them innocent.” Better pretend the accused never went to Duke to begin with?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-21982587455598205302006-10-08T14:04:00.000-04:002006-10-08T14:04:00.000-04:00Anybody who posts anonymously to attack someone wh...Anybody who posts anonymously to attack someone who is wiling to express his own tjought under his own nqame is a gutless bastard. That's what you are, 6:07. Why should we give a crap wat you think?Jim Ohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01912710881278409532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-13359078837087739122006-10-08T13:32:00.000-04:002006-10-08T13:32:00.000-04:00To 6:07 am
You say you know that Nifong has misha...To 6:07 am<br /><br />You say you know that Nifong has mishandled the case and the legal system should take care of his misconduct. And you say, " it's hard to imagine the players are guilty and a trial or dismissal will bear that out." So you're saying that it is ok for a prosecutor to bring charges against innocent people with no shred of evidence? Brodhead and people like you can easily say, "Let the trial prove these boys innocent." Do you not understand that three young men and their families' lives are runined as they sit and wait for a trial. Colin and Reade are suspended from Duke. They spent their young lives working hard to go to a school like Duke and to play their sport at Duke. And you and Brodhead can push their lives aside and say, "Wait for a trial" when you admit that the prosecutor has mishandled the case. And what about the trial? We already know that the prosecutor and his police have twisted and fabricated their own lies and the lies of the AV to try to make a case. Do you and Brodhead realize how much this horrific travesty is costing these families? Do you actually think that these boys can have a fair trial in Durham? There is nothing fair about the justice system in Durham. It is a complete farce and I'm stunned that the Duke administration does not realize that Duke is in Durham and there is no covering that up. It would behoove Brodhead to make statements about the corruption in Durham and attempt to bring about major changes. I wouldn't want another child of mine to go to Duke and be stalked by Gottlieb and crew.<br />Thank God for professors like KC Johnson, Gaynor, Coleman, Anderson . With the exception of Dr. Coleman, we appreciate having professors from other Universities support and stand up for these boys as professors and the administration at Duke are too spineless to do so.Duke parent and alumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16484298629453074800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-61968596218704793642006-10-08T13:02:00.000-04:002006-10-08T13:02:00.000-04:00Richard Brodhead and the rest of the university ad...Richard Brodhead and the rest of the university administration have once again embarrassed Duke. It's time for <b>him</b> to resign.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-59943034313007409992006-10-08T12:27:00.000-04:002006-10-08T12:27:00.000-04:00do not concern yourselves with the poster from ear...do not concern yourselves with the poster from earlier who seems to relish an opportunity to finally poke a hole in something (lord knows, there is nothing else to hold on to for facts or support) by attempting to dismiss the obvious actions by the duke admin. what a joke. keep it up...oh, and while you are at it - you may want to check out these, once you can pull yourself out of the ignorant black hole you have been sheltered in:<br /><br />http://johnsville.blogspot.com/2006/09/duke-case-crisis-management-internet.html <br /><br />and<br /><br />http://poppa-zao.blogspot.com/<br /><br />...you might learn something. like that kc johnson is right, the roster was changed and revised subsequent to events - including box scores (how unbelievable).<br /><br />furthermore, as i have always followed duke lacrosse pretty closely, i also have personal knowledge that the roster for the 2005-06 season was complete earlier this year - as in january, 2006, when i began reviewing the website, etc. for the upcoming season and at the first game. <br /><br />i fear that our courageous "anonymous" poster is incredibly frustrated at these venomous and "unfounded" attacks on the duke admin and president. so...in the face of obvious facts, he/she/it will bellow and howl, attempt to obfuscate and misdirect, and cast nasty allegations about...all for naught.Daddyx4https://www.blogger.com/profile/17394221481565818109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-84237693348820077522006-10-08T11:42:00.000-04:002006-10-08T11:42:00.000-04:00thanks for the history lesson, and your ongoing co...thanks for the history lesson, and your ongoing comments about the hoax.<br /><br />But this last piece is beneath you IMO. It seems you're running out of commentary. Better you comment less frequently than put out such silly comparisons.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-34601434686099979792006-10-08T11:35:00.000-04:002006-10-08T11:35:00.000-04:006:07 "Anyone with any common sense knows Nifong ha...6:07 "Anyone with any common sense knows Nifong has mishandled the case. I am sure people have filed complaints. Let the legal system take care of his misconduct. Moreover, it is hard to imagine that the players are guilty and a trial or dismissal will bear that out."<br /><br />Unfortunately there are many that have only followed this case through local media. While the N&O has begun to show Nifong for who he is and what he'd done, the H/S continues to prop him.<br /><br />Many with common sense still believe the Nifong's early and many beliefs and theories... and believe the 'something' must have happened.<br /><br />KC has been key, along with LieStoppers and JohninCarolina for reporting what MSM has largely failed to report. How dare you ask what HE has done to be part of the solution. What have you done? <br /><br />Durham resident.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-43040339888670844932006-10-08T10:50:00.000-04:002006-10-08T10:50:00.000-04:00Will be doing a post on the Neff story to be up by...Will be doing a post on the Neff story to be up by 1pm today.kcjohnson9https://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-88071755386245272072006-10-08T10:47:00.000-04:002006-10-08T10:47:00.000-04:00http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/496369.html ...http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/496369.html . Your thoughts on this article KC. Appreciate your effort!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-39144330022002059392006-10-08T09:38:00.000-04:002006-10-08T09:38:00.000-04:00To the 1.50 and 6.07: I made no comment on the 200...To the 1.50 and 6.07: I made no comment on the 2003-4 roster. As to the other rosters, I suppose it is a coincidence that Evans, Finnerty, and Seligmann simply disappeared from both years' rosters. I'm not a statistician, but I suspect the odds of an innocent explanation for such an event are extraordinarily high.<br /><br />As to the 6.07's comment re Nifong: "Let the legal system take care of his misconduct." That, obviously, is a very passive view to take toward prosecutorial misconduct, one that I don't share.<br /><br />The point of my post, however, was that the DAA's claim that it is improper for the academy to protest procedural abuses in the criminal justice system willfully ignores more than 80 years of history.kcjohnson9https://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-4317819865396012042006-10-08T09:04:00.000-04:002006-10-08T09:04:00.000-04:00To the anonymous 6:07 AM poster. May I suggest tha...To the anonymous 6:07 AM poster. May I suggest that you go back and crawl under whatever rock you crawled out from? You got some nerve to suggest that KC has been a part of the problem and not a solution. Thanks to KC’s coverage, at least some people realize what a travesty of justice this whole case has been from the very start.<br />I don’t think anyone would say the same about you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com