tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post3732337552084211282..comments2024-02-24T05:19:10.949-05:00Comments on Durham-in-Wonderland: Mosteller on the Casekcjohnson9http://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comBlogger86125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-78859810755159974692007-12-09T09:12:00.000-05:002007-12-09T09:12:00.000-05:007:33 River Rat,Did you read Mosteller's work? It ...7:33 River Rat,<BR/><BR/>Did you read Mosteller's work? It was carefully footnoted, thought-out and measured; it was the most coherent analysis of the case since UPI, and provides a safe distance from the events from which to survey the entire scene of battle.<BR/><BR/>I'd say that Mosteller's timing was best chosen, coming after people like Piot and Cassidy had the opportunity to make themselves look ridiculous.<BR/><BR/>Not to say that Mosteller shouldn't have spoken up, both early and often, but we should all recognize the differences between the generals, the soldiers and those who assess the battle after-the-fact. Or the differences between the emergency room, critical care units and the rehab center (not speaking of the "rehab tour of the 88, of course.") <BR/><BR/>No battle is clean; no strategy is perfect; no time is right: the best we can hope for is honor, and with honor, victory.<BR/><BR/>We should choose to honor the latecomers to the battle, too, as they sometimes sway the battle, and hold territory already taken.machttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14248016116043347912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-79991198047013366812007-12-08T07:33:00.000-05:002007-12-08T07:33:00.000-05:00To all those still wishing to heap praise upon Mos...To all those still wishing to heap praise upon Mosteller's scholarly response to the Duke and Durham Mau Mau attack against the innocent -- all I can say is thank GOD the boy's families didn't wait for Mosteller to come to his conclusions..<BR/><BR/>The boys would have been hung by now -- waiting for the LAW SCHOOL faculty to come to the defense of the LAW, or the Administration to insure due process for their students.<BR/><BR/>Thank God these academics have nothing more lethal than their tongues to waggle or books to throw.... <BR/>A person could get killed waiting for Constitutional protections, amongst a faculty comprised of racists, bigots, cowards and feckless imbeciles...river rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04367729188948782171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-60687129083106607642007-12-07T13:48:00.000-05:002007-12-07T13:48:00.000-05:00Thank you, debrah @ 12/6 10:46 AM.To GP @ 12/5 4:4...Thank you, <B>debrah</B> @ 12/6 10:46 AM.<BR/><BR/>To GP @ 12/5 4:48PM:<BR/><BR/><I>While we are blogging away trying to shame several of the extremists, they are laughing at us and moving forward.</I><BR/><BR/>I have to agree with 12/6 10:46 AM:<BR/><BR/><I>Yes, very nervous laughter, I would think.</I><BR/><BR/>And they're not so much moving forward as crabbing sideways. They don't dare march headlong into this fray again.<BR/><BR/>And <A HREF="http://www.solomonia.com/blog/archive/2007/12/confrontation-at-harvard-defamatory-and" REL="nofollow">this</A> is how you deal with G88ers on their own turf. (Even if you don't know who Prof. Matory is, he'll seem awfully familiar.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-39037799780671732012007-12-06T10:46:00.000-05:002007-12-06T10:46:00.000-05:00"While we are blogging away trying to shame severa..."While we are blogging away trying to shame several of the extremists, they are laughing at us and moving forward."<BR/><BR/>Yes, very nervous laughter, I would think.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-68515504202991427322007-12-06T08:46:00.000-05:002007-12-06T08:46:00.000-05:00TO 8:48 PM--Very good points and accurate.People w...TO 8:48 PM--<BR/><BR/>Very good points and accurate.<BR/><BR/>People who show up in groups to scream and yell and display themselves are the same people you knew in high school who ran down mailboxes in the neighborhoods and rolled yards with tissue paper in the middle of the night.<BR/><BR/>They aren't--well, most of them--dangerous in a violent way; however, their tactics disrupt proceedings and bully the meek into going their way.<BR/><BR/>If allowed to operate with abandon, they result in the Gang of 88.<BR/><BR/>Their harm is slow and insidious and it works on the psyche and the emotions which are ultimately more dangerous to society as a whole.<BR/><BR/>(BTW, I have a newspaper delivery guy who looks a lot like Ted Kuzynski--an untended, straggly beard and scruffy demeanor--and he's a strange passive-aggressive type. <BR/><BR/>I complained about the fact that he often neglects to put my paper in a plastic bag and it gets torn when he throws it and it skids on the sidewalk.<BR/><BR/>The very next day......he didn't say a word but my paper was wrapped in 12 plastic bags! This is the creepy brand of mentality of someone who is angry but they express it on the sly. I don't trust passive-aggressive people or of what they are capable.)<BR/><BR/>LIS!Debrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04567454727276881424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-6488861187989314162007-12-05T20:48:00.000-05:002007-12-05T20:48:00.000-05:00To rrh at 12/5 1:59 PM:If and when the leftists ar...To rrh at 12/5 1:59 PM:<BR/><BR/><I>If and when the leftists are shamed from their thuggish conduct, will they turn to more extreme violence?</I><BR/><BR/>Ted Kaczynski never carried a placard. Neither did the Weathermen. Serious people who use violence seriously as a medium of protest have their own twisted reasons for it, but shame over being photo-ops at speaker protests and demonstrations probably isn't one of them.<BR/><BR/>Campus hecklers and potbangers aren't serious people. They are rebels without a clue, and engage in their antics as long as it's modishly fashionable and there's no significant peer disapproval– or too much exposure outside the event. Let them exercise their free speech rights all they want, but put their names and faces on the internet so that <I>everyone</I> on campus knows who they are, friends, family and future employers are able to see what they've been up to at school, and total strangers start leaving snarky comments at their MySpace site, and with a whimpered protest of victimhood, they'll retreat into their hermetic little worlds faster than Professor Potter. They may post more vociferously at moveon.org thereafter, but they won't resort to violence. They lack the conviction and the courage. In addition to having nothing, really, to say.<BR/><BR/>Anne Coulter has already been attacked at a speaking engagement, I believe. By a pie thrower.<BR/><BR/><I>This is way the world ends, not with a bang, but a whimper.</I>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-51811899358297569892007-12-05T18:25:00.000-05:002007-12-05T18:25:00.000-05:003:29PM May all your sins be so grievious. 12:54PM...3:29PM May all your sins be so grievious. 12:54PMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-41539387651488628742007-12-05T17:18:00.000-05:002007-12-05T17:18:00.000-05:00Anonymous said... "I am sure the Duke Chronicle...Anonymous said...<BR/><BR/> "I am sure the Duke Chronicle will not lead with a story, on the day that Amanda Fishwrinkle gives the Commencement Address, with an article dealing with plans to protest her address."<BR/><BR/> Is Claire Potter (nee Amanda Fishwrinkle) a communist?<BR/><BR/> 12/5/07 1:43 PM<BR/>-----------------------------------<BR/><BR/>Oh dear. You must be new here.<BR/><BR/>It is Barbara Kingsolver who was recently unmasked as (nee)Amanda Fishwrinkle. Not to be confused with the subject of Moe the barman's unsuspecting shout "I need Amanda Huggenkiss!"<BR/><BR/>Claire Potter, a proud lesbian (not that there's anything wrong with that), will always be nee Claire Potter.<BR/><BR/>I believe there was a famous Asian communist called Pol Potter, or something like that anyway, but I don't think they're related.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-55903589017966692772007-12-05T17:00:00.000-05:002007-12-05T17:00:00.000-05:00"If and when the leftists are shamed from their th..."If and when the leftists are shamed from their thuggish conduct, will they turn to more extreme violence?"<BR/><BR/>I am far more concerned that if they are allowed to get away with it they will continue to escalate.<BR/><BR/>As to whether it's plausible that things could really go that far - Theo van Gogh and Pym Fortuyn.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-32208479450477560002007-12-05T16:48:00.000-05:002007-12-05T16:48:00.000-05:00RRH 1:59 PM said...If and when the leftists are sh...RRH 1:59 PM said...<BR/><BR/>If and when the leftists are shamed from their thuggish conduct...<BR/>::<BR/>That is part of the problem with our response to the extremists. They are not going to be shamed. <BR/><BR/>Ever! <BR/><BR/>While we are blogging away trying to shame several of the extremists, they are laughing at us and moving forward.<BR/><BR/>They enjoy and are amused by our attempts to shame them yet they are intolerant of those who criticize them. <BR/><BR/>We need to help cut off their source of financial nourishment if we want to see their heartless and violent behavior reduced or eliminated in our universities. <BR/><BR/>And...not become extremists ourselves. <BR/>::<BR/>GPGary Packwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05177986821224068759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-43613392662941641462007-12-05T15:45:00.000-05:002007-12-05T15:45:00.000-05:00The emphasis on procedures is not a bad thing, but...The emphasis on procedures is not a bad thing, but it's also not what is really needed. What is really needed is some serious time for Nifong, Gottlieb, Wilson, etc. That, and only that, will give police and prosecutors reason to clean up their acts.William Jockuschhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16167669449804194308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-22437451530613862112007-12-05T15:29:00.000-05:002007-12-05T15:29:00.000-05:00To the anonymous at 12:54, who wrote:"That would b...To the anonymous at 12:54, who wrote:<BR/><BR/>"That would be Robinson Everett"<BR/><BR/>undoubtedly referring to my post at 10:49 a.m., in which I castigated some unknown guy named Ralph B. Everett. The anonymous poster at 12:54 p.m. is right, the correct name is Robinson Everett for the Duke Law professor who wrote the letter backing Nifong's view of "exculpatory evidence."<BR/><BR/>In my defense, I've been smoking a lot of pot lately. MOO! GregoryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-65161623947776927832007-12-05T14:56:00.000-05:002007-12-05T14:56:00.000-05:00"“It should be the highest ambition of every Ameri..."“It should be the highest ambition of every American to extend his views beyond himself, and to bear in mind that his conduct will not only affect himself, his country, and his immediate posterity; but that its influence may be co-extensive with the world, and stamp political happiness or misery on ages yet unborn.” —George Washington <BR/><BR/>This just tells me that the affirmative action hires at Duke are clearly not ambitious.<BR/><BR/>"...misery on ages yet unborn."<BR/><BR/>Tis a staggering amount of responsibility to bestow upon so many who are frauds.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-65829661228818114842007-12-05T14:33:00.000-05:002007-12-05T14:33:00.000-05:00river rat and others - here is what I think is so ...river rat and others - here is what I think is so significant about Mosteller - he related his views in a scholarly publication, and did so thoroughly and exhaustively and persuasively. And more to the point, he did was true liberals or progressives are supposed to do - champion individual rights and explore ways to appropriately limit the abuses, or potential for the same, of state power. This is something that the radical hard core left, such as the Gang of 88, is scarcely interested in any longer, unless it luckily coincides with a collateral agenda. <BR/><BR/>So what I wait with anticipation as to whether any professor, but most particularly a Duke professor, will attempt to rebut Mosteller's work. I doubt it. It would only invite ridicule.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-24057641313478519172007-12-05T13:59:00.000-05:002007-12-05T13:59:00.000-05:00To "dave in l.a." at 12:12 PM:Thanks for your inpu...To "dave in l.a." at 12:12 PM:<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your input on ways to stop the leftist thugees from interfering with the free speech rights of others. I do have an additional concern: If and when the leftists are shamed from their thuggish conduct, will they turn to more extreme violence? I mean, would you really be surprised to hear, in the future, that an Ann Coulter speech had been targeted by a homicide bomber?<BR/><BR/>RRHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-76427289273303750012007-12-05T13:43:00.000-05:002007-12-05T13:43:00.000-05:00"I am sure the Duke Chronicle will not lead with a..."I am sure the Duke Chronicle will not lead with a story, on the day that Amada Fishwrinkle gives the Commencement Address, with an article dealing with plans to protest her address."<BR/><BR/>Is Claire Potter (nee Amanda Fishwrinkle) a communist?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-28739271910811199492007-12-05T13:35:00.000-05:002007-12-05T13:35:00.000-05:0012:31The social cost of doing nothing with regard ...12:31<BR/>The social cost of doing nothing with regard to CGM may be worth much more than $500, $5000 or $50,000. The Something Happened crowd (Victoria Peterson) need to be shut out of any future conversations on the subject. <BR/><BR/>Most of all, a public decimation of the false charges might make it less likely that someone will repeat the performance.machttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14248016116043347912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-57172915819548979402007-12-05T12:54:00.000-05:002007-12-05T12:54:00.000-05:00That would be Robinson EverettThat would be Robinson EverettAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-26700131047145635092007-12-05T12:31:00.000-05:002007-12-05T12:31:00.000-05:00Anyone know the penalty for filing a false police ...Anyone know the penalty for filing a false police report in NC?<BR/><BR/>I know that it's minimal..up to a $500 fine..or something.<BR/><BR/>That needs to be changed and the penalty should somehow relate to the severity of the false crime that was alleged. I realize that it could get murky but, the law could be written (maybe not in NC) so that the standard of evidence for a "false" report was sufficiently high.<BR/><BR/>A $500 fine ( or whatever) for all of the damage that CGM inflicted is just ridiculous and I suspect that it was at least a factor in the decision not to bring charges against CGM.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-42956518923236192442007-12-05T12:12:00.000-05:002007-12-05T12:12:00.000-05:00If, per debrah's 12/5 10:34 AM, the Herald-Sun and...If, per <B>debrah</B>'s 12/5 10:34 AM, the <I>Herald-Sun</I> and "Duke university officials" are to be believed-- ingesting mass quantities of NaCl here-- the disruption of Karl Rove's appearance at Duke turned out to be No Big Deal, certainly not on the order of what happened to Jim Gilchrist at Colulmbia University, or to David Horowitz and Anne Coulter on campi routinely.<BR/><BR/><B>rrhamilton</B> @ 12/4 11:58 PM said:<BR/><BR/><I>I have a way to stop what our former vice-president might call "the extra-chromosome Leftwingers", like Prof. Diane Nelson and her stripper crew, from disrupting speeches by their betters. Make all attendees turn over their student ID and/or their drivers licenses as a condition of attendance. <B>Turn on the cameras</B>, and if people want to misbehave, they'll have to leave without their IDs.</I><BR/><BR/><B><I>Turn on the cameras.</I></B> That's exactly what they did at my university after about the umpteenth disruption of a speaker by radical left "protesters. And then, following the "disciplinary hearings" (at which no one was ever disciplined, of course), the names of the protesters were included in the "disciplinary hearing committee" report. The names were picked up and republished by the campus organs, and before long the key disrupters at event after event 1) were known by everyone; 2) were derided by everyone; and 3) became bywords for "intolerant," "trouble," and "fool." The routine disruptions of campus speakers dropped to nothing within a couple of years.<BR/><BR/>Photograph, label, and publish. Although mobs prefer anonymity (which is why they are mobs), attendance at a public event is a waiver of privacy rights, which can even be noted in event announcements. Who actually instigates or participates in "protests" and disruptions is manifestly in the public interest to know.<BR/><BR/>Who are the clowns holding the "CASTRATE" banner in that well-known photo? Everyone ought to know. Or what about the pot-bangers march? A YouTube release of that video with sub-titled i.d.s of the participants as they appear onscreen would be a fitting memorial to all those jolly marchers. And, again, useful to know.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-50718153605839538962007-12-05T12:10:00.000-05:002007-12-05T12:10:00.000-05:00To: Debra, re: Professor ColemanDebra,You and I ...To: Debra, re: Professor Coleman<BR/><BR/>Debra,<BR/><BR/>You and I are going to have to agree to disagree on this one.<BR/><BR/>My experience is moral courage is very rare. Professor Coleman sttod up when it counted.<BR/><BR/>We now know, as we did not suspect then, the ferocious pressures within Duke to conform. This magnifies, in retrospect, Professor Coleman's role.<BR/><BR/>Subsequently, he has made some puzzling and unworthy statements. Clearly from his point of view, if not ours, the hoax is over and he is no longer willing to fight the Duke Groupthink, at least not publicly. So be it.<BR/><BR/>My admiration remains for what he did when no one else wanted the job of speaking for due process.<BR/><BR/>Jim PetersonJim in San Diegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07032079086884503680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-50863345993757469172007-12-05T12:03:00.000-05:002007-12-05T12:03:00.000-05:00As a tiny Diva sidebar: The results of my last po...As a tiny Diva sidebar: The results of my last poll was compelling.<BR/><BR/>Although only about half the participants I had wanted actually voted, the results were interestingly similar.<BR/><BR/>That means the participants inside <I>Wonderland</I> have gleaned similar impressions of and have gotten similar vibes from KC.<BR/><BR/>I have left a comment on the results under the Venetian Mask.....and the new poll is a generally provocative question that should be of interest to anyone.<BR/><BR/>For the record: The Diva does not "believe" in astrology. It's only a most curious topic which often holds too many coincidences to be <I>coincidences</I>.<BR/><BR/>If some of you believe in heaven and hell, that's just as much of a potentially ridiculous belief, IMO.<BR/><BR/>Both heaven and hell are right here on earth. If you haven't experienced that fact, then you've been indoors too long.<BR/><BR/>Let go and have fun!Debrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04567454727276881424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-48563287554318080912007-12-05T10:49:00.000-05:002007-12-05T10:49:00.000-05:00As massive as the Duke Hoax was, the outcry from t...As massive as the Duke Hoax was, the outcry from the law school on campus was minimal. In fact, it was about equally divided:<BR/><BR/>FOR LYNCHING:<BR/><BR/>Ralph B. Everett - Wrote the article in the local newspaper stating that Mike Nifong had every right to hide the exculpatory evidence.<BR/><BR/>Karla Holloway - Original Gang of 88er, wrote articles, quit Campus Culture Initiative to make anti-lax point and turned over defamatory quadruple hearsay to hurt the students. <BR/><BR/>NOT FOR LYNCHING:<BR/><BR/>James Coleman - Argued that Nifong was out of control during the Hoax in newspapers and "60 Minutes."<BR/><BR/>Robert Mosteller - Wrote a law review article after the criminal hoax had been put to bed.<BR/><BR/>Can the Law School's legacy in the Hoax be explained by the fact that the school publishes the "Duke Journal of Gender Law & Policy"? Did all the professors see what Coleman was doing and think to themselves, "I can't add anything to that"? Did any "chilling effect" on speech (or on confronting the Hoax) affect the professors? Did the professors not watch or read local and national news and newspapers? MOO! GregoryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-57988426804783825352007-12-05T10:39:00.000-05:002007-12-05T10:39:00.000-05:00no justice, no peace said... An interesting twi...<I> no justice, no peace said...<BR/><BR/> An interesting twist...<BR/><BR/> "I would like to think that somebody who was not in the bathroom has the human decency to call up and say, “What am I doing covering up for a bunch of hooligans?” . . . I’d like to be able to think that there were some people in that house that were not involved in this and were as horrified by it as the rest of us are." - Mike Nifong<BR/><BR/> "I would like to think that somebody IN THE DUKE FACULTY OR ADMINISTRATION has the human decency to call up and say, “What am I doing covering up for a bunch of FAUX INTELLECTUAL, FRAUDULENT ACADEMICS?” . . . I’d like to be able to think that there were some people in that FACULTY AND ADMINISTRATION that were not involved in this and were as horrified by it as the rest of us are." - No justice, no peace<BR/><BR/> 12/4/07 6:02 PM</I><BR/><BR/>Outstanding analogy!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-36683725620946355212007-12-05T10:34:00.000-05:002007-12-05T10:34:00.000-05:00H-S:Duke law school's Web site attackedDuke Univer...H-S:<BR/><BR/><BR/><I>Duke law school's Web site attacked<BR/><BR/>Duke University News Service<BR/>The Herald-Sun<BR/>Dec 5, 2007<BR/><BR/>DURHAM -- The Duke University School of Law has alerted some 1,400 people whose Social Security numbers were stored on a school Web site that the site was illegally accessed. <BR/><BR/>Officials have been contacting those affected as a precaution and do not know whether the intruders actually gained access to the information. The site stored data from prospective applicants who requested information from the school's admissions office. About 1,400 of those requesting information provided Social Security numbers. <BR/><BR/>The intrusion was discovered on Thursday by school officials who quickly took the site offline as a precaution, said William Hoye, the law school's associate dean of admissions. During ensuing security evaluations of the Web site and server, Duke computer experts found the database containing the Social Security numbers and determined that it was exposed during the attack. <BR/><BR/>"We have no evidence that the intruders actually downloaded or acquired any of this information," Hoye said in an e-mail to the prospective applicants Tuesday. "Nonetheless, we know they had the opportunity and the tools to do so." <BR/><BR/>The law school urged those whose Social Security numbers may have been at risk to take steps to monitor their credit and protect against identity theft. The e-mail provided information for accessing credit reports and activating fraud alerts, as well as contact information for school officials who could respond to questions. <BR/><BR/>School officials also said other databases at the law school, including those containing the e-mail addresses or personal information of students, employees and alumni, were unaffected by the incident.</I>Debrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04567454727276881424noreply@blogger.com