tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post3786488230617079980..comments2024-02-24T05:19:10.949-05:00Comments on Durham-in-Wonderland: Washington Post Op-Edkcjohnson9http://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-76120133085784998542007-09-09T02:49:00.000-04:002007-09-09T02:49:00.000-04:00"I've had some e-mail and face-to-face exchanges -...<I>"I've had some e-mail and face-to-face exchanges - all collegial - with some of the folks who wrote/signed both the Listening ad and the Concerned ad and served on a committee with same. Dr. H. Baker never replied to my e-mails, but Drs. L. Baker, Lubiano, Holloway, and Allison all did. I don't think I tried to contact anyone else, at least in this context."</I><BR/><BR/>Do make this an illustrious feature of your upcoming holiday card display:<BR/><BR/><I>How to make friends and influence people.</I>Debrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04567454727276881424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-33762283626179204862007-09-08T21:53:00.000-04:002007-09-08T21:53:00.000-04:00from 2:15 "Maybe Professor Gustafson "DukeEgr93" c...from 2:15 "Maybe Professor Gustafson "DukeEgr93" can address the meme that it was unpopular to speak out about the case at Duke over the past year. Did he feel pressured by the G88 not to say anything?"<BR/><BR/>I certainly felt no pressures either way, not that my experience can be extrapolated too far. I've had some e-mail and face-to-face exchanges - all collegial - with some of the folks who wrote/signed both the Listening ad and the Concerned ad and served on a committee with same. Dr. H. Baker never replied to my e-mails, but Drs. L. Baker, Lubiano, Holloway, and Allison all did. I don't think I tried to contact anyone else, at least in this context.<BR/><BR/>I have had some e-mails from the "outside" - some thinking I was a "group" member and some not - that ranged from mildly annoying to outright despicable. There have been some in the administration that have thoughtfully and completely responded to any queries/rants I have made - even the ridiculous ones - and to name a few, I would include Provost Lange, Vice Provost Thompson, Vice Provost Simon, Vice President Moneta, and (alas for us but happily for Hopkins, former) Dean Johnson. <BR/><BR/>As an aside to all - I have a student who is thinking about working to get a walk-on spot on the lacrosse team - whatever positive thoughts you can spare in his direction will, I'm sure, be appreciated.DukeEgr93https://www.blogger.com/profile/01656706833701438546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-76196146268782315342007-09-08T01:13:00.000-04:002007-09-08T01:13:00.000-04:00To the 1.11am:I'm not sure if you read the book, b...To the 1.11am:<BR/><BR/>I'm not sure if you read the book, but we make a similar description of Scarborough in the book--which, of course, went to press in late June, well before any "booking for book promotion" occurred.kcjohnson9https://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-13389793222640684342007-09-08T01:11:00.000-04:002007-09-08T01:11:00.000-04:00The op-ed was pretty good. I was surprised to see ...The op-ed was pretty good. I was surprised to see Joe Scarborough described as a right wing blowhard on the wrong side to the Duke case.<BR/><BR/>My memory of Scarborough was he was an early skeptic. I remember him talking about how unlikely it was that 25-30 college students, with no meeting, would somehow decide on a coverup conspiracy that could net them all felony charges and years in jail. And Crystal's extensive criminal record and false rape claims - with a "can you believe this shit!!" smirk on his face....<BR/><BR/>I don't know what your beef is. Did "Joe in the Morning", which replaced Imus, blow off booking you guys for your book promotion?Cedarfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00602418702398818596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-25963615589120222312007-09-07T23:43:00.000-04:002007-09-07T23:43:00.000-04:00Thank you, KC. I can only hope that your blog has ...Thank you, KC. I can only hope that your blog has had one-tenth as much impact on others as it has had on me. You've revealed a story much bigger than the one about Michael Nifong. <BR/><BR/>I hope that you continue to teach us all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-74771229929259856762007-09-07T18:30:00.000-04:002007-09-07T18:30:00.000-04:00One objection regarding the Washington Post editor...One objection regarding the Washington Post editorial; <I>"... illustrates the need for reforms to restrain rogue prosecutors."</I><BR/><BR/>Nifong is not a "rogue," he's quite typical, one among thousands of prosecutors who lie, cheat, and frame everyday. It's a proud tradition among prosecutors as so aptly reflected by CNN's Nancy Grace. <BR/><BR/>So ask yourself, is CNN a "rogue," <I>Brodhead</I> a "rogue," <I>Durham</I> a "rogue," or 88 professors a "rogues gallery"? Hardly.<BR/><BR/>Sorry, move along, there's no <I>rogues</I> here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-9942211231013855552007-09-07T16:59:00.000-04:002007-09-07T16:59:00.000-04:00Why isn't Crystal Mangum in the cell next to Nifon...Why isn't Crystal Mangum in the cell next to Nifong? I don't understand why she has not been punished for her "fantastic lies". Will the heroes be there for her next victims?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-11543160703276856352007-09-07T16:07:00.000-04:002007-09-07T16:07:00.000-04:00I wouldn't believe any numbers or information the ...I wouldn't believe any numbers or information the main stream media presents about any of the deliberations going on. I just hope the families make everyone involved miserable for the rest of their lives. That is the only justice left to them, alot of people have moved on and don't care about what does or doesn't change at Duke or in Durham.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-3051775166009083212007-09-07T14:49:00.000-04:002007-09-07T14:49:00.000-04:00regarding the $30M settlement offer, keep in mind ...regarding the $30M settlement offer, keep in mind that its ESPN reporting this. they had some of the worst coverage of this whole affair and are simply not credible. <BR/><BR/>remember that it was an ESPN "source" who saw Precious all bruised and battered at the hospital.<BR/><BR/>$10M per plaintiff does seem very, very low for what these guys could be getting. sure, part of the deal might be vengeance against the bad actors (in the form of jail time and/or loss of jobs), but that would still mean you offer to drop a $200M suit down to $100M .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-86358097786485967612007-09-07T14:43:00.000-04:002007-09-07T14:43:00.000-04:00AMac said... "DukeEgr93" (comment at 8:58am) is...AMac said...<BR/><BR/> "DukeEgr93" (comment at 8:58am) is the handle of Duke Asst. Prof. of Engineering Michael Gustafson. He wrote often and eloquently about the unfolding Hoax/Frame, and was the subject of a post on this blog last November.<BR/>------------------------------------<BR/>... which makes his 8:58 post both modest and telling. Gustafson has been consistently sound.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-56268551764032519462007-09-07T14:34:00.000-04:002007-09-07T14:34:00.000-04:00The comment thread at the WaPo is rather dishearte...The comment thread at the WaPo is rather disheartening. The "they're no choirboys" refrain is still being sung. Amazing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-14717458802538375662007-09-07T14:26:00.000-04:002007-09-07T14:26:00.000-04:00Thanks as usual KC for keeping us up to snuff on t...Thanks as usual KC for keeping us up to snuff on things.<BR/>I am glad the families have the courage and fortitude to pursue all avenues and people involved in the horrible affair. Keep going until no one is left standing who deserves to have the light of day and some legal and financial pain sent their way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-1369924065765331082007-09-07T14:15:00.000-04:002007-09-07T14:15:00.000-04:00Maybe Professor Gustafson "DukeEgr93" can address ...Maybe Professor Gustafson "DukeEgr93" can address the meme that it was unpopular to speak out about the case at Duke over the past year. Did he feel pressured by the G88 not to say anything?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-88030821668929027082007-09-07T14:11:00.000-04:002007-09-07T14:11:00.000-04:00KC-I searched your blog (if I did it correctly) fo...KC-<BR/><BR/>I searched your blog (if I did it correctly) for "Joe Scarborough" and "right-wing blowheard." Nothing for Scarborough and your Nov 28 "Proportionality" blog for right-wing blowhard (?). <BR/><BR/>What was Scarborough's role - don't recall it being dicussed? Thanks,<BR/><BR/>EdAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-7696844594009227732007-09-07T12:40:00.001-04:002007-09-07T12:40:00.001-04:00I am pleased to see Mike made The Smoking Gun mug ...I am pleased to see Mike made The Smoking Gun mug shot area. He's under TSG favesgakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08800375939733250154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-6387569300151535952007-09-07T12:40:00.000-04:002007-09-07T12:40:00.000-04:00RRH 12:29,You're right, but the gravity of the off...RRH 12:29,<BR/>You're right, but the gravity of the offense against justice (not against his person) is nearly as grave: suborning perjury, witness-tampering, unlawful prosecution, intimidation...<BR/><BR/>No doubt he didn't suffer as much as the accused, but the crimes against him add up to a lot more than a half mil. Besides, he deserves more, if only because he stood up and spoke the truth, while many others would have joined the conspiracy.machttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14248016116043347912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-56755137852440615102007-09-07T12:29:00.000-04:002007-09-07T12:29:00.000-04:00mac said... I'm hoping that the young men get thei...<I>mac said... <BR/>I'm hoping that the young men get their settlement, agreeing not to file charges, but that the rest of the players sue afterward.<BR/><BR/>More than that, I'm hoping Mr. Elmostafa will find a nice retirement check in his account, somewhere in the neighborbood of 3-5 million. <BR/><BR/>9/7/07 12:06 PM <BR/></I><BR/><BR/>Given the equities of the situation, I would say Mr. Elmostafa's settlement would be closer to $300-$500,000 than $3-$5 million. Sorry, mac, but while he was certainly and egregiously wronged, he just didn't suffer all that much. As I recall, the DA just resurrected an old warrant but the case was quickly dismissed -- Am I wrong?<BR/><BR/>RRHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-62275160685244220572007-09-07T12:22:00.000-04:002007-09-07T12:22:00.000-04:00We've already heard from Mary Biddle Duke Trent Se...We've already heard from Mary Biddle Duke Trent Semans concerning her faith in Brodhead. Imagine the endowment is still behind the creep--hopefully he'll get a clue and get out on his own.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-2108966866341269782007-09-07T12:06:00.000-04:002007-09-07T12:06:00.000-04:00I'm hoping that the young men get their settlement...I'm hoping that the young men get their settlement, agreeing not to file charges, but that the rest of the players sue afterward.<BR/><BR/>More than that, I'm hoping Mr. Elmostafa will find a nice retirement check in his account, somewhere in the neighborbood of 3-5 million.machttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14248016116043347912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-40085009681849278872007-09-07T11:55:00.000-04:002007-09-07T11:55:00.000-04:00From KC and Stewart's excellent WaPo Op-Ed:"This s...From KC and Stewart's excellent WaPo Op-Ed:<BR/><BR/>"This shameful conduct was rooted in a broader trend toward subordinating facts and evidence to faith-based ideological posturing. Worse, the ascendant ideology, especially in academia, is an obsession with the fantasy that oppression of minorities and women by 'privileged' white men remains rampant in America. Its crude stereotyping of white men, especially athletes, resembles old-fashioned racism and sexism."<BR/><BR/>It was this kind of [Faux] Liberalism which prompted me to vote for Bush/against "Liberalism" in 2000. <BR/><BR/>[I don't want to divert from the very important Duke LAX example, but can't resist noting that some of the same features apply to the Anthropogenic Global Warming hysteria running rather rampant currently, especially its - the ipcc's - completely anti-scientific procedural and methodological underpinnings.]<BR/><BR/>J.P.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-72996693757777617662007-09-07T11:06:00.000-04:002007-09-07T11:06:00.000-04:00Ken, Believe me it was not the whole community of ...Ken, Believe me it was not the whole community of Durham who was part of this bulls**t. As a native of Durham, I've followed DIW for sanity from the beginning. Nifong would not have been elected, even given the mindless blacks and pot-banging idiots, had Monks not spoiled the election. As a taxpayer in Durham, we've been f**ked for the past 30 years. I'm very glad to at least have a worthwhile cause for being f**ked over. The LAXers deserve every penny of many civil suits. I hope Durham or Duke never stops paying for this horrible disgrace.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-50961070806024934512007-09-07T10:46:00.000-04:002007-09-07T10:46:00.000-04:00I enjoyed the clipping of your op-ed piece from th...I enjoyed the clipping of your op-ed piece from the Washington Post today, KC. Of course, I enjoyed the Thernstrom review in the Wall Street Journal yesterday even more since I am a subscriber to the latter. <BR/><BR/>The two events are not unconnected. It so happened that after being a WaPO subscriber for 20 years their coverage of the lacrosse case, as typified by the “Wolves in Blazers” article, led me to cancel my subscription and switch to the WSJ.<BR/><BR/>By the way, seeing Nifong head to jail this morning made me wonder whether there will be any follow-up to the Finnerty case in Washington. It looked to me at the time that there was close collaboration between the prosecutor in Washington and Durham’s now disgraced DA.<BR/><BR/>DieselAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-693704430659110252007-09-07T10:38:00.000-04:002007-09-07T10:38:00.000-04:00"DukeEgr93" (comment at 8:58am) is the handle of D..."DukeEgr93" (comment at 8:58am) is the handle of Duke Asst. Prof. of Engineering Michael Gustafson. He <A HREF="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS236US237&q=site%3Awww.xanga.com+lacrosse+dukeegr93&btnG=Search" REL="nofollow">wrote</A> often and eloquently about the unfolding Hoax/Frame, and was the subject of <A HREF="http://durhamwonderland.blogspot.com/2006/11/michael-gustafson-speaks-out.html" REL="nofollow">a post on this blog</A> last November.AMachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08872008617279528583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-60917594933132760332007-09-07T10:31:00.000-04:002007-09-07T10:31:00.000-04:00Mike $6:44:If it was me some of the reform request...Mike $6:44:<BR/><BR/>If it was me some of the reform requests would be a lot more specific:<BR/><BR/>* Fire Himan by the end of the month and we knock off $100,000. Our discount offer will decrease by 10%/month.<BR/>* Fire Gottlieb and we knock off $500,000. Our discount offer will decrease by 15%/month.<BR/><BR/>[...]<BR/><BR/>* Fire Baker and we knock off $3,000,000. Our discount offer will decrease by 10%/week.<BR/><BR/>It would be interesting to see how the city's elected officials weighed the interests of the voters & taxpeyers versus the interests of city employees.<BR/>It would be even more interesting to watch how the voters react.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-68281064521153543072007-09-07T10:20:00.000-04:002007-09-07T10:20:00.000-04:00Excellent Op-Ed piece, gentlemen! Thank you for p...Excellent Op-Ed piece, gentlemen! Thank you for putting the problems in academia into simple, easy to understand English: The race / class /gender driven agenda is not compatible with liberal education. Period. Keep up the good work. <BR/><BR/>For Mr. Broadhead, his apologists on the staff at Duke and the G-88: Do one honorable thing in your lives. Apologize to the lacrosse players and the Duke community, and resign. Today would be a good time for it. You, not the college students, are the problem in the academy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com