tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post3817754238831470350..comments2024-02-24T05:19:10.949-05:00Comments on Durham-in-Wonderland: A Duke Conversation: Chicagokcjohnson9http://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comBlogger116125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-77272229843481100342007-04-27T11:04:00.000-04:002007-04-27T11:04:00.000-04:00You want to talk about "almost a caricature"? How ...You want to talk about "almost a caricature"? How about this "Letter" to the "Editor" of the Herald-Sun, published today:<BR/><BR/>----------<BR/><BR/>Proud of our city<BR/><BR/>I was sick and amazed at the grandstanding by the defense attorneys and the lacrosse players during the press conference held after charges against them were dropped. Instead of the cry of justice, they cried injustice. I heard not only a cry for District Attorney Mike Nifong to be strung up for doing his job, but they also accused the Police Department, the Grand Jury, leaders in our community and The Herald-Sun. For what?<BR/><BR/>We should be proud of the first-class professionalism this case received from the beginning. This case was just one among many cases in our great city and our great state handled day in and day out. Why should this case have been any different?<BR/><BR/>If a rape happened to you or someone you know, whether the case was founded or unfounded, I would want a DA such as Nifong to try to get to the truth. I am appalled at the unprofessional behavior of the defense attorneys and their cry for division, after there was such a coming together in the beginning to keep the city of Durham in a civil state of peace and to let justice prevail.<BR/><BR/>This was only possible because of the community, its leaders, the DA, our police department, and our great colleges, Duke and NCCU, working together. The nation saw that, and I was proud to be a citizen of this city.<BR/><BR/>This all started from what some believe to be a lie told to the police. Sad, but it happens a lot more than people know.<BR/><BR/>JUDY PARKER<BR/>Durham<BR/>April 27, 2007 <BR/>--------<BR/><BR/>Just how stupid, and how ignorant and wrong, can one person possibly be?<BR/><BR/>Hey Judy:<BR/><BR/>Tell us how Nifong "tried to get to the truth". Was it when he refused to even listen to exculpatory evidence? Was it when he failed and refused to interview the accuser, or to contact any of a dozen other important witnesses? Or was it when he rigged the lineup? Or maybe when he conspired to suppress DNA evidence?<BR/><BR/>You're right about "such a coming together" of potbangers and other pinheads and bigots -- for the purpose of lynching the white boys, not to "get to the truth". You see that now, don't you? Of course you don't -- there are none so blind as bigots who will not see.<BR/><BR/>Tell us all about the "first-class professionalism" that this case received "from the beginning". If you mean it was a professional attempt at framing innocent people, I agree with you.<BR/><BR/>Meanwhile, you say it's the defense attorneys who were unprofessional -- what a laugh. Tell us: Who was right, and who was DEAD WRONG? Who saw to it that justice prevailed, and who is it that's facing disbarment and possible imprisonment? In short, when justice prevailed, who won and who lost?<BR/><BR/>I'm pleased you are so "proud" of your DA's and PD's performance. Everyone with a live brain cell knows that this was the biggest digsgrace brought upon our city in living memory.<BR/><BR/>I hope you enjoyed embarrassing yourself, and the whole city, in your letter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-46662599771668339482007-04-23T02:26:00.000-04:002007-04-23T02:26:00.000-04:00There is a reason whites are not competitive in so...There is a reason whites are not competitive in some athletics like sprints and in the longer distance races.<BR/><BR/>It is because whites are genetically disadvantaged.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2007/02/inequality.html" REL="nofollow">Inequality</A><BR/><BR/>*M. Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09508934110558197375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-50193631685784745662007-04-23T00:46:00.000-04:002007-04-23T00:46:00.000-04:00Professor Coleman is a hero - "If KC was walking o...Professor Coleman is a hero - "If KC was walking on water, some would complaing he was not swimming."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-17740476300351163732007-04-22T22:22:00.000-04:002007-04-22T22:22:00.000-04:00Anonymous 12.22 AM said... ...Stop Stop!...Mr Hank...Anonymous 12.22 AM said... <BR/>...Stop Stop!<BR/>...Mr Hankie is a TV character on Southpark - he is a turd.<BR/>...Too funny! <BR/>::<BR/>Trickery is never funny. It is mean spirited and hateful.<BR/>::<BR/>GPGary Packwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05177986821224068759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-31703403318677641512007-04-22T19:41:00.000-04:002007-04-22T19:41:00.000-04:00And 5:47pm has just written a brilliant analysis o...And 5:47pm has just written a brilliant analysis of it all.<BR/>Well done.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-44382260505495759062007-04-22T19:17:00.000-04:002007-04-22T19:17:00.000-04:00Ithaca@12:10amYou don't know how accurate your pos...Ithaca@12:10am<BR/>You don't know how accurate your post really is. This whole country has been co-opted by the lies and the pretense that you discuss.<BR/>But when you ask that "minorities" actually go by the rules and pull their own weight, they respond with attacks and insults of racism.<BR/>I also agree with another poster that James Coleman isn't the heavy hitter that some are trying to portray. He's just the only black person who comes close to commenting on the lacrosse hoax with any decency and objectivity.<BR/>The blogs and the writers have to latch onto him because they literally have no one else who is black to lean on.<BR/>In Coleman's position, he could have been much more demonstrative and outspoken against the 88 professors and this hoax in general.<BR/>Let's not go overboard in talking about Coleman. His wife's good friend at the law school , Professor Chemerinsky, was mute. These people did almost nothing to speak out about what was happening at their own university. Stop the high praise already.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-5217435346672773252007-04-22T17:47:00.000-04:002007-04-22T17:47:00.000-04:00I think that an argument could be made, that of al...I think that an argument could be made, that of all the participants in this sorry story, President Brodhead's behavior was the worst and most despicable.<BR/><BR/>Nifong was a self-serving political candidate who was willing to sacrifice the lives of innocent men in order to curry favor with voters whose support he correctly surmised would help him win a close race.<BR/><BR/>He cruelly used Crystal Mangum, a mentally-ill fabulist who was acting out her politically correct fantasies.<BR/><BR/>The Gang of 88 are dyed-in-the-wool polemicists who saw an opportunity to further their goal of imposing Marxism-Leninism on America, and simply acted accordingly.<BR/><BR/>But it was President Brodhead who completely abandoned his responsibilities as the titular head of Duke University, and instead of strongly and firmly insisting that the accused be treated as innocent until proven guilty, and that the case not be turned into the political plaything of extremists, himself joined the lynch mob.<BR/><BR/>His actions are entirely inexcusable.<BR/><BR/>In a decent, vigorous society such as the Roman Republic, he would commit suicide.<BR/><BR/>The Duke Trustees should have the common sense and ordinary decency to fire him.<BR/><BR/>The sooner, the better.Punditarianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04979719360227114238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-8770250567371660222007-04-22T14:39:00.000-04:002007-04-22T14:39:00.000-04:00A New Jersey Lawyer. The Duke lacrosse parent who...A New Jersey Lawyer. The Duke lacrosse parent who said Broadhead doesn't get it is right. Neither Broadhead nor his administration nor many (of not most) of the Humanities and Social Sciences faculty at Duke get it. They will never get it, because to "get it" would require an admission that they were wrong. Ideologues like the group of 88 can't do that. Bureaucrates like Broadhead and his administration can't do that becuase too much of their identity is tied up in their institution. Besides, as far as Broadhead is concerned, he will, no doubt, always feel that the Lacrosse team embarrased him in front of his ivy league peers, by showing that Duke students sometimes make very stupid mistakes, as if such mistakes don't happen at ivy league schools.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-84997654537839510732007-04-22T08:43:00.000-04:002007-04-22T08:43:00.000-04:00Jack 11:52 Ethnic not Ethics.Big difference!GPJack 11:52 <BR/><BR/>Ethnic not Ethics.<BR/><BR/>Big difference!<BR/><BR/>GPGary Packwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05177986821224068759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-89548253981125277202007-04-22T03:15:00.000-04:002007-04-22T03:15:00.000-04:001152duke has an ethics department its CALLED PHILO...1152<BR/><BR/>duke has an ethics department its CALLED PHILOSOPHY<BR/><BR/>that it employs social marxists, and atheists as professors, who believe in NOTHING so ethics is subjected to MOB RULE...<BR/><BR/>guess what minorities always RIOT without factual basis ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-27771436671097226362007-04-22T03:14:00.000-04:002007-04-22T03:14:00.000-04:00"How about an admissions policy that is entirely b..."How about an admissions policy that is entirely blind - to color, race, national origin, sexual orientation, religious affiliation, ethnicity and geography? How might that work?"<BR/><BR/>Ask Cal Tech. That's what they do. I will let you surmise what proportion of their student body is black, white and asian.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-39677349141422919382007-04-22T03:10:00.000-04:002007-04-22T03:10:00.000-04:0011.52these are NOT gifted scholars...RAP SINGER ? ...11.52<BR/><BR/>these are NOT gifted scholars...<BR/><BR/>RAP SINGER ? maybe<BR/><BR/>cornell west made a RAP record<BR/><BR/>they are on the elite campus to organize the many international and domestic minorities who have as BIG a CHIP on their shoulders as the professors<BR/><BR/>they are all about ARROGANCE, and AA PRIDE...in fact the girl who posted VIGILANTE posters was from SRI LANKA...instead of studying she led a RIOT..<BR/><BR/>123 or so countires were included in the Princeton admissions, american were severly sanctioned because the alumni have given idiots like broadrot and other ivys so much money the universities DONT NEED their hard earned money anymore or their legacies or their children<BR/><BR/>the elites THINK life is a lottery ...they have NO idea that INTELLECTUAL CAPACITY is what drives american business<BR/><BR/>who do they think built this nation...some stumble bum anarchists or leftys OR serious men ,thats right men, who had storng heritage of mind and body to win wars that threatened us, to build the most powerful corporations in the world, and who built the churches etc this nation worshipped at<BR/><BR/>in the past 30 years, we have allowed all this to atrophy...because life isnt a lottery its about talent risk taking and repentent morals..<BR/><BR/>duke is a methaphor for whats wrong...thats why its so important to seek accountabilityAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-34576364272882366032007-04-22T01:08:00.000-04:002007-04-22T01:08:00.000-04:00Howdy hi Kyle,If Duke has ethnic studies for every...Howdy hi Kyle,<BR/><BR/>If Duke has ethnic studies for everyone, there will be peace and prosperity on earth. Chitlins and Bach--that's my idea of a well-rounded education. We should all respect one another, while listening to each other with love and high reverence.<BR/><BR/>I know it can work from personal experience.<BR/><BR/>God bless everyone on this board.<BR/><BR/>Mr HankieAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-84954400436129669552007-04-22T00:22:00.000-04:002007-04-22T00:22:00.000-04:00Stop Stop!Mr Hankie is a TV character on Southpark...Stop Stop!<BR/><BR/>Mr Hankie is a TV character on Southpark - he is a turd.<BR/><BR/>Too funny!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-1668557196601396762007-04-22T00:10:00.000-04:002007-04-22T00:10:00.000-04:00Bottom line - Affirmative Action is a sham and a s...Bottom line - Affirmative Action is a sham and a scam. A sham in that it deludes young minority kids and the general public into thinking that something of substance is being accomplished, that the "disadvantaged" are really utilizing the resources of our communities and institutions to raise the level of accomplishment, and compete evenly. It is scam in that it allows the deceptive leaders and activists to assume positions of responsibility, let's these charlatans actually have a voice on behalf of their constituents, then bitch and moan that the system is against them (it is, but the poor souls don't even know it)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-34882115212966262912007-04-21T23:52:00.000-04:002007-04-21T23:52:00.000-04:00Mr. Hankie, Gates at Harvard, Cornel West Prince...Mr. Hankie, <BR/><BR/>Gates at Harvard, Cornel West Princeton, Holloway at Duke--these are brilliant scholars...<BR/><BR/>Influential? Yes. Deferred to? Of course! Articulate? Perhaps. Brilliant? Hardly. Let's not forget that Harvard couldn't wait for West to head out (perhaps the first indication to the radical illiterati that Larry Somers had an agenda not aligned with theirs).<BR/><BR/>And to Gary,<BR/>Duke, along with several other "enlightened" institutions could benefit greatly from an Ethics Department, but not at all from an Ethnic Studies Department. If you have to actually "teach" ethics, well...Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16530476676444348404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-53850672870858559622007-04-21T23:43:00.000-04:002007-04-21T23:43:00.000-04:00Mr Hankie 11:11 said ... Jack...Let all the ethnic...Mr Hankie 11:11 said ... <BR/>Jack<BR/>...Let all the ethnic studies departments flower, and watch Duke's reputation soar.<BR/>::<BR/>Duke does not have an ethic studies department. That is the problem.<BR/>If you are trying to say that they should merge all their silly Anger Studies departments into a single ethnic studies department that grants an ethnics study degree...I completely agree. <BR/>If they need help doing that they should visit Oberlin College. http://www.oberlin.edu<BR/>::<BR/>GPGary Packwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05177986821224068759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-87532061434306387312007-04-21T23:36:00.000-04:002007-04-21T23:36:00.000-04:00Terrence 10:15 said Gary,...Your optimism is refre...Terrence 10:15 said <BR/>Gary,<BR/>...Your optimism is refreshing and welcome; unfortunately, for me it is not infectious. <BR/>I would not expect any warm embraces of solidarity from the Gang of 88(for Latino students). <BR/>::<BR/>I think you are correct. <BR/>I work with young people from Latin America and I can assure you that they don't expect a warm embrace from anyone except from the folks in the Chapel (The Roman Catholic Chapel); other students and professors when the excel and their families. <BR/>In private they will be more than willing to tell you what grief the waiting for the warm embrace has caused AABlacks.<BR/>The Duke Dining Service folks would be well advised to form a Latino student advisory committee so that Latino students don't have to bring their own sauce to dinner :-)<BR/>They are good kids and completely integrated into the culture until you tell them 'to do' Mexico or Brazil and then... they will. <BR/>::<BR/>GPGary Packwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05177986821224068759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-89212801879072488112007-04-21T23:11:00.000-04:002007-04-21T23:11:00.000-04:00JackYou make a good point. But black intellectuals...Jack<BR/><BR/>You make a good point. But black intellectuals outstrip most everyone in talent and resourcefulness. Gates at Harvard Cornel West Princeton, Holloway at Duke--these are brilliant scholars despite what the likes of racists like Polanski say.<BR/><BR/>Let all the ethnic studies departments flower, and watch Duke's reputation soar.<BR/><BR/>Mr HankieAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-84710611430275739682007-04-21T22:25:00.000-04:002007-04-21T22:25:00.000-04:00to Anonymous 10:07There are not as many stupid peo...to Anonymous 10:07<BR/><BR/>There are not as many stupid people out there as you might think (or hope). The beneficiaries of Affirmative Action are on the short end of the education stick that started long, long before they considered applying to college. AA has allowed them to think they are competitive, competent and comparable to those for whom the bar is set much, much higher. Society loses under such a scheme, but to correct it now means throwing out 40 years of social engineering. My grandparents and the immigrants and poorer classes at the turn of the last century had an expectation that the next generation would succeed. There is no such foresight or patience today.Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16530476676444348404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-36296081284226246592007-04-21T22:15:00.000-04:002007-04-21T22:15:00.000-04:00Gary,Your optimism is refreshing and welcome; unfo...Gary,<BR/>Your optimism is refreshing and welcome; unfortunately, for me it is not infectious. If Duke is currently comprised with such a vocal group of angry, resentful faculty members, specifically the African American Studies group, I am not encouraged that they would be terribly “welcoming” toward any other minority groups to which Duke may extend a helping hand. The African Americans in the US, in general, have been somewhat resentful of the Hispanic immigrants over the past 30 - 40 years. Puerto Ricans, Dominicans, Cubans have come to America and, despite hurdles, have demonstrated more resilience, self determination and productivity than blacks. Whether it is the cultural values they bring, the religious foundations, I do not have the answer, but from my readings and acquaintances, the black Americans believe the Hispanics have co-opted their Most Favored Minority status, diluted their cause (being a deprived minority just ain’t what it used to be). I would not expect any warm embraces of solidarity from the Gang of 88.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-7324254052638899382007-04-21T22:07:00.000-04:002007-04-21T22:07:00.000-04:00not too well for stupid people, but i share your s...not too well for stupid people, but i share your sentimentsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-39112847164667497492007-04-21T21:56:00.000-04:002007-04-21T21:56:00.000-04:00How about an admissions policy that is entirely bl...How about an admissions policy that is entirely blind - to color, race, national origin, sexual orientation, religious affiliation, ethnicity and geography? How might that work?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-35876124350182260092007-04-21T21:44:00.000-04:002007-04-21T21:44:00.000-04:00Mike 5:17 said... Gary,...The dilemma Duke faces, ...Mike 5:17 said... <BR/>Gary,<BR/>...The dilemma Duke faces, if they, indeed, consider it a dilemma at all, is how to reverse reverse discrimination, when they've allowed such a strident anti-white sentiment to grow in their midst? <BR/><BR/>Btw, what does "HOLA Duke" mean? I'm new to this. <BR/>::<BR/>¡Hola! means HELLO ...in Spanish.<BR/>I am offering possible solutions rather than problems.<BR/>Bright successful Spanish families should say HOLA Duke!<BR/>And Duke should make them feel comfortable and welcome on campus.<BR/>::<BR/>GPGary Packwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05177986821224068759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-26488415606086728662007-04-21T21:20:00.000-04:002007-04-21T21:20:00.000-04:00Come on, 9:20, get real.If you were a student that...Come on, 9:20, get real.<BR/><BR/>If you were a student that had been treated by people within the Duke community the way Reade and Collin were treated, would you go back?<BR/><BR/>If you were the parent of a student that had been treated by people within the Duke community the way Reade and Collin were treated, would you whip out your checkbook and pay another $100,000 for the student to spend 2 more years at Duke?<BR/><BR/>People who answer yes to either of these questions have masochist stamped on their forehead.<BR/><BR/>Not to mention the possibility of them facing physical harm should they ever return for an extended period of time without ongoing security. There are still a lot of people in the Durham community at large who would like to see these 2 pay for what they didn't do.<BR/><BR/>People at Duke who suggest Reade and Collin should consider returning need to stop treating this like a Hollywood movie where now that the charges have been dropped everything returns to hunky-dory status and everyone is friends again. It is an attempt to make themselves feel good about their own affiliation with Duke. Hey, if Reade and Collin come back, well then Duke can't be that bad a place, right? Face the facts, where Reade and Collin are concerned, Duke isn't worthy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com