tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post4465313258912953135..comments2024-02-24T05:19:10.949-05:00Comments on Durham-in-Wonderland: Joyner's Jurisprudencekcjohnson9http://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comBlogger109125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-28491366189321987562007-02-21T13:47:00.000-05:002007-02-21T13:47:00.000-05:0010:50AM,In the early days this was a conservatve (...10:50AM,<BR/><BR/>In the early days this was a conservatve (comments) blog run by a liberal professor.<BR/><BR/>Even now conservatives of various stripes (libertarian being the most heavily represented) predominate in the comments.<BR/><BR/>Liberals don't stay long. Facts to them are as anathema as a cross is to Dracula. <BR/><BR/>Johnson is the rare liberal comfortable with (many) facts. The facts of economics: not so much.<BR/><BR/>For instance did blacks in America in the 70s live as well as the average citizen of the USSR?<BR/><BR/>Why is average black income in America (purchasing power parity) greater than the income of the average Swede?<BR/><BR/>Could capitalism vs. socialism have anything to do with it?<BR/><BR/>Will we really be better off with communist Obama running the show?<BR/><BR/>At one time I was a Democrat, then a Communist. By age 36 (after a study of economics) I had that one figured out.M. Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09508934110558197375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-32912658240118016082007-02-21T13:36:00.000-05:002007-02-21T13:36:00.000-05:00What does Katherine Johnston 1914-2006, Atlantabel...What does Katherine Johnston 1914-2006, Atlanta<BR/>believe?<BR/><BR/>10:46 AM <BR/><BR/>Katherine Johnson is in the police witness protection program and will be unavailable to bear witness against the police.M. Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09508934110558197375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-11672209086903617352007-02-21T13:24:00.000-05:002007-02-21T13:24:00.000-05:00Thomas on Raich Respondents Diane Monson and Ange...<A HREF="http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/03-1454.ZD1.html" REL="nofollow">Thomas on Raich</A> <BR/><BR/> Respondents Diane Monson and Angel Raich use marijuana that has never been bought or sold, that has never crossed state lines, and that has had no demonstrable effect on the national market for marijuana. If Congress can regulate this under the Commerce Clause, then it can regulate virtually anything–and the Federal Government is no longer one of limited and enumerated powers.M. Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09508934110558197375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-28492998293700995592007-02-20T19:08:00.000-05:002007-02-20T19:08:00.000-05:00To Bill Anderson (6:45AM)--Thank you for this deta...To Bill Anderson (6:45AM)--<BR/><BR/>Thank you for this detailed and crystal clear dissection of what KC was trying to say.<BR/><BR/>KC did a great job researching so many of Joyner's past positions; however, I used the phrase "what KC was trying to say" because he pulled a similar stunt as did Pat McDonald in her letter to Easley of long ago.<BR/><BR/>Although I would never put McDonald on KC's level, I always wince when some seasoned Democrat uses code or some obligatory buzz word to let everyone know that they are "good Liberals".......not someone like (gasp!) Clarence Thomas. Ooooooooew! He's a boogy man. :>)<BR/><BR/>Thomas is too conservative for me on many issues; however, I have always been saddened to see many black people---who, btw, could never reach his level as a human being or his level of professional success---exhibit such irrational hatred toward him.<BR/><BR/>Your comments were vital in fully.....and patiently......explaining KC's comparison of someone like Joyner to Thomas. <BR/><BR/>DebrahAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-59590327883960383612007-02-20T18:56:00.000-05:002007-02-20T18:56:00.000-05:00Sock puppet intones..Bend over and I will drive yo...Sock puppet intones..<BR/><BR/><I>Bend over and I will drive you to Kansas.</I><BR/><BR/>I was going to say "dandy boy", instead of "smart guy", but I didnt want to be rude. Now I see it would have been a mere compliment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-19071707665328161512007-02-20T18:40:00.000-05:002007-02-20T18:40:00.000-05:00To 6:02I am only a puppet.Bend over and I will dri...To 6:02<BR/><BR/>I am only a puppet.<BR/>Bend over and I will drive you to Kansas.<BR/><BR/>Katherine Johnston's sock puppetAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-55644098536278891322007-02-20T18:02:00.000-05:002007-02-20T18:02:00.000-05:00Sock puppet says..Joyner, now, this year, last yea...Sock puppet says..<BR/><BR/><I>Joyner, now, this year, last year, suddenly, out of nowhere, thinks it is OK for the police (law enforcement) to use illegally obtained evidence to take to trial in the case of the Duke Three</I><BR/><BR/>Well, no, you fricking numbnutz, thats not what Joyner believes. He believes that no amount of exculpatory evidence withheld or proof of manufactured evidence could ever exonerate these suspects. All this mumbo jumbo about it being okay for police to use "illegal evidence" is just dissimulation and a means to an end. The end being a Durham lynching for a trio of rich white boys.<BR/><BR/>You know, its quite amusing; you pretending that its conservatives that want to get rid of due process when its not convenient, and not leftists like the Duke 88 and that cadre of elitists you obviously hang around with, smart guy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-45704653123938051012007-02-20T17:54:00.000-05:002007-02-20T17:54:00.000-05:00There is much coverage of the black people of the ...There is much coverage of the black people of the Bahamas due to the Anna Nicole issue. All the blacks I have seen are well spoken, gracious, educated. It is a diservice to them to imply they are behaving this way due to economic reasons. They are what they are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-48231616232175789902007-02-20T17:20:00.000-05:002007-02-20T17:20:00.000-05:002:26 PMSaid...As a result of what happened ("somet...2:26 PM<BR/><BR/>Said...As a result of what happened ("something happened")at Duke, white privileged males, and unprivileged ones as well, can now claim victim status and begin getting college credit for studying themselves and their grievances.<BR/><BR/>A resume listing could also work where all three of the guys outline their experiences over two years or so ...of surviving hostile workplace environment harassment.Gary Packwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05177986821224068759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-24210931346439925862007-02-20T17:10:00.000-05:002007-02-20T17:10:00.000-05:0012:05 are you a mutt?12:06 are you 12:05?12:26 rea...12:05 are you a mutt?<BR/>12:06 are you 12:05?<BR/>12:26 read much?<BR/>12:46 is offended?<BR/><BR/>Joyner is a civil rights lawyer.<BR/>Joyner complains when police violate the civil rights of his - clients?<BR/><BR/>Clarence Thomas is a Supreme.<BR/>Clarence Thomas would not make a decision on no knock raids, he sent it back to a lower court.<BR/>Clarence Thomas said that police could use evidence gathered in an unlawful manner, tho he did **not** specifically mention the Duke Three.<BR/><BR/>Joyner, now, this year, last year, suddenly, out of nowhere, thinks it is OK for the police (law enforcement) to use illegally obtained evidence to take to trial in the case of the Duke Three. And remember, Clarence Thomas has said that police could use evidence gathered in an unlawful manner, tho he did **not** specifically mention the Duke Three.<BR/>***Looks like they finally agree on something.****<BR/><BR/>If you cannot abstract "illegally obtained evidence" as it applies to the Duke Three then spoon feeding is no good here, we'll have to resort to tube feeding, or a nourishing enema.<BR/><BR/>To Observer: What was the explanation for the mistake in Katherine Johnston's situation if no informant existed?<BR/>http://www.reason.com/news/show/36694.html<BR/>The Kathryn Johnston Indictments: A Good Start. A Long Way to Go.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Katherine Johnston's sock puppet<BR/><BR/>PS Katherine thinks Clarence could have done a better job ruling on no knock raids. After Clarence let the no knock case fall back to the lower court the incidence of no knock raids mushroomed, and the number of non-existent informers has increased 70%, but don't take a little puppet's word for it, do your homework.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-46372053174792690802007-02-20T16:15:00.000-05:002007-02-20T16:15:00.000-05:00This is another of the "truths" that seem to circu...This is another of the "truths" that seem to circulate in the pro-AV camp:<BR/><BR/><I><BR/>Whatever the police did or did not do, the players' lawyers did not want the players telling what they knew to the police.<BR/></I><BR/><BR/>From here: <A HREF="http://forums.talkleft.com/index.php/topic,1191.msg58482.html#msg58482" REL="nofollow">Re: Duke Rape Suspect Apprehended</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-69590076583179871262007-02-20T15:45:00.000-05:002007-02-20T15:45:00.000-05:00ANd they wonder why so many people have lost respe...ANd they wonder why so many people have lost respect for civil rights organzations. They've become no better than the racists the organzation fought againest in the begining. MLK is rolling is his graveAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-60142280207023186282007-02-20T14:44:00.000-05:002007-02-20T14:44:00.000-05:00To 4:20 I am not sure Mr. Joyner is an embarrasm...To 4:20<BR/> I am not sure Mr. Joyner is an embarrasment to the NACCP, I believe he is their voice. Both are clouded by race issues over factual issues, and in the long run, it hurts their cause.<BR/><BR/>BDay MDAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-14019397045649090272007-02-20T14:26:00.000-05:002007-02-20T14:26:00.000-05:00Kudos to 11:41 a.m for the analysis of the exponen...Kudos to 11:41 a.m for the analysis of the exponential growth of identity (victims') studies on campuses. One can only ponder what next new group will claim victim's status and demand first courses on their identity, then programs, then fully funded departments with heads and concommitant support staff. Polanski in his satire of SDS in an earlier blog took the problem to its logical extreme. As a result of what happened ("something happened")at Duke, white privileged males, and unprivileged ones as well, can now claim victim status and begin getting college credit for studying themselves and their grievances.<BR/><BR/>And kudos to 11:41 for not wandering into the Manichean terminology of liberal/conservative, terms which often muddle rather than clarify ideas in discourse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-12062518396891255632007-02-20T14:04:00.000-05:002007-02-20T14:04:00.000-05:00The difference between this DPD investigation and ...The difference between this DPD investigation and the other is made transparently clear in: <A HREF="http://forums.talkleft.com/index.php/topic,1185.msg58444.html#msg58444" REL="nofollow">Re: Duke and Durham: The Criminal Cover-up Continues</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-78191953603316620302007-02-20T13:58:00.000-05:002007-02-20T13:58:00.000-05:00We go to Nassau/paradise island every year. Whites...<I><BR/>We go to Nassau/paradise island every year. Whites are definetely in the minority. The first year it was disconcerting. The blacks there are so courteous, pleasant, educated and well spoken it does not matter.<BR/></I><BR/><BR/>It is amazing what people will do when their economic well-being depends on it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-79592094995817655102007-02-20T13:54:00.000-05:002007-02-20T13:54:00.000-05:00We go to Nassau/paradise island every year. Whites...We go to Nassau/paradise island every year. Whites are definetely in the minority. The first year it was disconcerting. The blacks there are so courteous, pleasant, educated and well spoken it does not matter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-76023743984602713512007-02-20T13:46:00.000-05:002007-02-20T13:46:00.000-05:0011:41, that was a very astute posting. However:It ...11:41, that was a very astute posting. However:<BR/><BR/><I><BR/>It is almost an axiom among minority communities that they don't air their dirty laundary in public. The Israeli press and public debate is far more self-critical of their state than comparable public discussions of Israel by Jewish groups in the United States. Similarly, blacks are much more self-critical in the privacy of their own groups than they are in faculty senates or predominantly white classrooms. While they might be able to have a private conversation about Shelby Steele's book "The Content of Our Character", it is hard to imagine a professor of African American Studies having a serious discussion of it in a room full of white students.<BR/></I><BR/><BR/>I think you don't have much experience in situations where whites are not in the majority. For example, in China, I do not believe they would air their racial dirty laundry among whites ... and indeed, some of them cannot bear to discuss the unhinged way they behave towards the Japanese on occassion ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-16270827349316283392007-02-20T13:26:00.000-05:002007-02-20T13:26:00.000-05:00Im not sure why anyone is surprised. The NAACP is...Im not sure why anyone is surprised. The NAACP is a race centric organization that supports race based policies. In the eyes of the NAACP, Right or wrong, guilty or not guilty is secondary to skin color.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-36668137261509774412007-02-20T13:07:00.000-05:002007-02-20T13:07:00.000-05:00To 11:41 AM:Excellent post, and right on the mone...To 11:41 AM:<BR/><BR/>Excellent post, and right on the money. I see this in higher education all the time.<BR/><BR/>As for Clarence Thomas, I do believe that much of the criticism directed at him is unfair. I would say that I agree with his decisions more than I would disagree; it is just that I take a hard stand on no-knock raids, and realize that my views are in a minority.<BR/><BR/>Disagreements do not have to be attacks, and I think we understand that in these posts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-55623256237654361592007-02-20T13:04:00.000-05:002007-02-20T13:04:00.000-05:00On a related topic, today's "State of Things" (WUN...On a related topic, today's "State of Things" (WUNC.org) began with a story about the Winston-Salem city council approving a $1.65 million payment plus apology to Darryl Hunt for his wrongful incarceration (18 years) in a rape-murder. He was exonerated by DNA. A nine thousand page report documented all kinds of police misconduct....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-23070452174064753092007-02-20T12:57:00.000-05:002007-02-20T12:57:00.000-05:00Thanks yet again to KC. Thanks as well to Bill An...Thanks yet again to KC. Thanks as well to Bill Anderson for his reasoned, independent thought. It is so refreshing to see someone who can think independently and not just buy into some pre-packaged ideology!<BR/><BR/>Anti-leftist LiberalAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-75097464743245847042007-02-20T12:46:00.000-05:002007-02-20T12:46:00.000-05:00Hmmmm.... I foolishly thought this was about right...Hmmmm.... I foolishly thought this was about right and wrong; not about "liberal" or "conservative, Democrat or Republican. As a black man who leans towards the conservative side, I am offended by KC's unwarranted cheap shot at Justice Thomas.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-62078451649076287392007-02-20T12:30:00.000-05:002007-02-20T12:30:00.000-05:00In general, not a lot of right wing bloggers are d...In general, not a lot of right wing bloggers are democrats. HArd to lump KC in that group.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-11995977023742743372007-02-20T12:26:00.000-05:002007-02-20T12:26:00.000-05:00I too was disappointed in KC's cheaphot reference ...I too was disappointed in KC's cheaphot reference to Clarence Thomas. I suspect the cheapshot was meant for Joyner's read (who worse for him to be compared to). <BR/><BR/>It's also consistent with KC's repeated reference to his support for Barack Obamo, which I take as an effort to make it more difficult to categorize him as a "right wing blogger."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com