tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post4897128840453020619..comments2024-02-24T05:19:10.949-05:00Comments on Durham-in-Wonderland: NAACP: Stop "Piling On" Vickkcjohnson9http://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comBlogger71125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-24198813207196313822007-08-01T00:53:00.000-04:002007-08-01T00:53:00.000-04:00"People of color have no monopoly on experiencing ..."People of color have no monopoly on experiencing injustice in this nation. "<BR/><BR/>Our problem is that the NAACP along with many other people & groups involved in the Duke Lacrosse Burning claim that they do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-82696732360566655252007-07-31T17:41:00.000-04:002007-07-31T17:41:00.000-04:00"Perhaps there are reasons other than race to expl..."Perhaps there are reasons other than race to explain the diametrically different responses. But, sadly, other explanations do not come immediately to mind."<BR/><BR/>I'm really confused by this statement. Initially, the media crucified the lacrosse players at Duke, the coach was fired, and the team did not play that year. All this occurred BEFORE there was a trial and convictions. I do not see much different that what is happening in the Vick case. It is human nature to rush to judgement. Case in point: I am an average middle class American White Male. I was falsely accused by a woman that was upset after our breakup. She was dating a police oficer after me, and strange things started to happen, like tickets showing up in the mail, etc... Ultimately, this led to two felony indictments, and five misdemeanor charges being filed. The police never interviewed me, because if they had, I would have provided them with things like plane tickets, hotel receipts, and signed dated contracts from my business trips that showed where I was when these alleged crimes occurred. I filed a civil suit against the woman, deposed her, and showed the video to the District Attorney. their answer, break the charges in such a way to make me try the case seven times. After over 50K in legal fees and losing three jobs, I was spent, and took a plea bargain. The safer argument is that MONEY, and not race determine justice in the United States. Nifong is just the tip of the iceberg, the criminal justice system is severely broken, and I weep for anyone, black or white caught up in it. You want to make a difference, stop highlighting the race card, and shed light on the economic realities. If you want evidence that white guys get railroaded, take a look at the Randall Adams case in Texas. People of color have no monopoly on experiencing injustice in this nation.PCullenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16131162292275562766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-5431877658272627322007-07-31T15:43:00.000-04:002007-07-31T15:43:00.000-04:00It looks like the NAACP is finally getting some ti...It looks like the NAACP is finally getting some tiny bit of pushback from the press.<BR/>------------------------------------<BR/>Interesting clip. The head of the Atlanta NAACP chapter admits that the NAACP got it all wrong over the Duke lacrosse case and has learned from the mistake. Two cheers for him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-52945828748371099172007-07-31T14:41:00.000-04:002007-07-31T14:41:00.000-04:00It looks like the NAACP is finally getting some ti...It looks like the NAACP is <B>finally</B> getting some tiny bit of <A HREF="http://forums.talkleft.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=b23b948b57bb18cf02391c80a4314ede&topic=1778.msg92607;topicseen#msg92607" REL="nofollow"> pushback from the press.</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-34447392764043334092007-07-31T14:24:00.000-04:002007-07-31T14:24:00.000-04:00Indictment means only "probable cause" to believe ...Indictment means only "probable cause" to believe a criminal act has occurred. Vick is entitled to a presumption of innocence unless and until he is convicted (I.E. the evidence establish's guilt in the eyes of a jury beyond a reasonable doubt.) This is NOT the time to "potboil" Vick. On the other hand the NAACP is fair game for its hypocrisy unless and until it apologizes for the actions of its NC Chapter. When, if ever?????Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-26827028472944119162007-07-31T14:18:00.000-04:002007-07-31T14:18:00.000-04:00Inman at 8:26 PM said ...Vick, although Black, is ...<I>Inman at 8:26 PM said ...<BR/>Vick, although Black, is no different the the white "n____r", Paris Hilton.<BR/></I><BR/><BR/>Tom, while we all appreciate you adopting the new normative of putting "Black" in upper-caste and "white" in lower-caste, I am reliably informed by my adolescent children that white people who "act Black" are now called "wiggers". See, e.g., http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=wiggerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-40779368899412001782007-07-31T13:57:00.000-04:002007-07-31T13:57:00.000-04:00Oh, "mac"--I forgot to say that the "racialist" co...Oh, "mac"--I forgot to say that the "racialist" concoction confuses me. It always sounds as if the person using it has made a mistake....that they really meant <I>racist</I>. LOL!<BR/><BR/>If I understood the wirey and wretched Maurice Wallace...."racialist" is someone who has a bulit-in preference for those of his own race and a subconscious aversion to other races.....but no outward vitriol or hatred.<BR/><BR/>As opposed to the garden-variety "racist" who goes about life openly hating other races as do Duke's Gritty Gang of 88.<BR/><BR/>Nice.<BR/><BR/>Really, is the word "racialist" another concoction from the cottage industry of <I>mass victimhood and its root causes</I>?<BR/><BR/>How can I learn all of the latest "in" stuff if I don't ask questions?<BR/><BR/>DebrahAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-15524660973693085992007-07-31T13:43:00.000-04:002007-07-31T13:43:00.000-04:00TO "mac"--The pendulum does seem to have swung bac...TO "mac"--<BR/><BR/>The pendulum does seem to have swung back now....toward a kind of rationale and truth I have never known.<BR/><BR/>I grew up thinking everything <I>black</I> was right, automatically. That whole moral superiority and mass victimhood thing. Wow, have the "victims" bled society on that one! LIS!<BR/><BR/>Those days are gone....like my childhood.<BR/><BR/>:>)<BR/><BR/>DebrahAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-32383433635412473222007-07-31T13:20:00.000-04:002007-07-31T13:20:00.000-04:00Debrah,I'm not giving free passes to anyone anymor...Debrah,<BR/>I'm not giving free passes to anyone anymore.<BR/>Used to, but no more.<BR/>If that means I'm a "racialist" to some,<BR/>then they'll just have to deal with it.<BR/><BR/>No free passes for anyone: if you want respect, earn it.machttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14248016116043347912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-40950524009226245752007-07-31T12:59:00.000-04:002007-07-31T12:59:00.000-04:00Durham attorney Butch Williams is on Vick's defens...Durham attorney Butch Williams is on Vick's defense team. This article profiles him somewhat.<BR/><BR/>Williams is a nice enough man and a good attorney. He also brought some much-needed objectivity to the Lacrosse Hoax early on as is discussed in this article.....however.....<BR/><BR/>.....his comments were always really quite tepid and that's how he had to play it and still practice law in Durham. He had to do a balancing act between what he knew about Crystal Mangum and teling all to those who staged an irrational démarche against the lacrosse players.....based on race.<BR/><BR/>Herein lies the issue: There must always be this kind of avalanche of outrage.....of misplaced self-righteous indignation.....of "victims" who must have their revenge no matter what.....of reliving the tales and the fantasies--some real, many concocted--of past injustices.....etc....<BR/><BR/>When someone like Williams who is black presents themselves in a very rational and objective way in a given situation, they are automatically lauded as being "heroes"....or as having done something stupendous....<BR/><BR/>....when all it was...was the truth....the right thing to do.<BR/><BR/>In this respect, there is a constant "dumbing down" for the black community of their responses to life in general. When anyone conducts themselves fairly in a black-white scenario, we automatically jump for joy! Everyone is so relieved.<BR/><BR/>That person is elevated for doing what most anyone would do if not for the fact that a large degree of unrestrained black racism has come to be expected.<BR/><BR/>That was the root of the evil in the lacrosse case and people everywhere need to start demanding a certain code of behavior.....and not just say, <I>Oh well, they're black. What can you expect?</I><BR/><BR/>This attitude which has come to be accepted as the norm must be re-evaluated if people are to truly be on that much-trumpeted <I>level playing field.</I><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.newsobserver.com/1565/story/654140.html" REL="nofollow">Williams_on_Vick</A><BR/><BR/>DebrahAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-57113032967087669602007-07-31T12:08:00.000-04:002007-07-31T12:08:00.000-04:00This is about as good as it's going to get from Ba...This is about as good as it's going to get from Barry Saunders. Although, IMO, he doesn't slam Vick enough--what he's charged with doing isn't just "stupid", it's inhuman cruelty--this column is much more objective than I would have expected from him.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.newsobserver.com/134/story/654895.html" REL="nofollow">Saunders_on_Vick</A><BR/><BR/>DebrahAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-86520412809598342912007-07-31T11:21:00.000-04:002007-07-31T11:21:00.000-04:00i think that there were two anon posts on the NAAC...i think that there were two anon posts on the NAACP which deserved a hat tip too, at least for analytically pointing out the color bias the NAACP has to favor blacks over whites, especially when a legal lawsuits for money might be available<BR/><BR/>the NAACP is a shakedown organization that for far to long has gotten away with racial preferences and outright bais...the national organization run by Julian Bond who might as well be the public information officer for a latin or african disctator<BR/><BR/>its time that the NAACP was deprived of any governemnt funding as it is a subversive organizationAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-47386606829385026342007-07-31T10:47:00.000-04:002007-07-31T10:47:00.000-04:00I am a NBA Player Agent, certified and approved by...I am a NBA Player Agent, certified and approved by the NBAPA. There are 2 types of contracts: Team/Player contracts which are governed by the respective collective bargaining agreements within some of the specific clauses and endorsement contracts which are specific to commercial endorsements. There are "Morals" clauses in both contract types, as there should be. Hence, it allows for companies to suspend or terminate agreements predicated upon suspected or proven criminal acts, conduct unbecoming which does not rise to a level of actual chargeable criminality, etc. In this instance Michael Vick is a pariah and the well feeding his endorsement deals will dry up. If he is proven guilty you can be assurred that the Atlanta Falcons will SUCCESSFULLY sue him for the return for his signing bonus of over $30 Million in the largest contract in NFL history. This is not about race. This is about Michael Vick's personal conduct and actions. The charges and problems he faces would be the same whether he was white or black. Sadly, you see black athletes becoming involved in these untoward activities at a much higher % than white athletes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-39128752658701867922007-07-31T08:42:00.000-04:002007-07-31T08:42:00.000-04:00"Only white liberals give the organization any cre..."Only white liberals give the organization any credence. "<BR/><BR/>Now what can be done about that? In particular, how do we get the press to treat them as freak-show like PETA rather than something to be taken seriously?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-60747899700254814872007-07-31T08:40:00.000-04:002007-07-31T08:40:00.000-04:00Hey KC - now that you're moderating, why don't you...Hey KC - now that you're moderating, why don't you filter out the "communist" & "state school" posts too? Just to save space.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-42449534021907732742007-07-31T08:28:00.000-04:002007-07-31T08:28:00.000-04:00'R.L. White of the Atlanta NAACP advises restraini...'R.L. White of the Atlanta NAACP advises restraining premature judgment until the legal process is completed. Very good. Can't fault him there.<BR/><BR/>I'd be interested to hear this man's opinion of the "restraint" shown by the NAACP regarding the Duke hoax.'<BR/><BR/>How can we encourage the press (maybe someone from Fox) to ask him this at his next news conference?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-37895498504141386692007-07-31T08:27:00.000-04:002007-07-31T08:27:00.000-04:00lar:"Or is it that the NAACP only cares about who ...lar:<BR/>"Or is it that the NAACP only cares about who can get them the most money and the most headlines."<BR/>Well duh.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-82259975760469615892007-07-31T07:41:00.000-04:002007-07-31T07:41:00.000-04:00Re: 1:13 postI don't think there will be a trial h...Re: 1:13 post<BR/><BR/>I don't think there will be a trial held in Atlanta. The events allegedly took place in Virginia. The federal charges [and state, if any] should be filed and tried in Virginia. IIRC, the federal venue should be the Eastern district and any state charges filed should be tried in either the county of origin or the Richmond docket.<BR/><BR/>Now, Vick's chances of conviction in the Richmond Circuit are probably about as slim as they would be in Atlanta [star quarterback, a touch of pride in the "local" kid, and the "right" jury demographics (think O.J.)], but at least nobody has an implied financial bias as would be the case if the trial were held in Falcon land.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-8195709933779886352007-07-31T06:56:00.000-04:002007-07-31T06:56:00.000-04:00Watching the NAACP's recent activities, the blatan...Watching the NAACP's recent activities, the blatant racism of the group is obvious to me. Just for the sake of fairness we should bring back the White Citizens' Council that is the caucasian parallel to the NAACP. We need balance, don't we?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-90429764447818623842007-07-31T05:37:00.000-04:002007-07-31T05:37:00.000-04:00Once again, I'm amazed by how naive some people ar...Once again, I'm amazed by how naive some people are. What do you think Michael Vick and his posse have been doing, listening to opera and attending the theater? They're black; this is what thug blacks do. Who cares??? If it wasn't dog fighting, he'd be pulling drive-by shootings in downtown atlanta.<BR/><BR/>I know you clowns on this site like to pretend that the only difference between blacks and whites is skin color, but that's not true. the lax case and the vick case show that blacks are at least different in their view of justice and in their choice or spectator sports.<BR/><BR/>WINDBAGAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-35274845666679104442007-07-31T04:00:00.000-04:002007-07-31T04:00:00.000-04:00anonymous 1:50In every thread, statements like "Is...anonymous 1:50<BR/><BR/>In every thread, statements like "Is Duke a state school?" and "Is Vick a Communist?" are posted by a disgruntled G88 supporter who has nothng else to say.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-82651219804269946622007-07-31T03:55:00.000-04:002007-07-31T03:55:00.000-04:00I believe the NAACP is taking a pre-emptive stand ...I believe the NAACP is taking a pre-emptive stand based on the inner-city demographics of pit bull fighting. I have no data to support this, demographics of the dog fighters are difficult to dig out. Ironically, NPR did have an article, using "code words".<BR/><BR/>http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=12104472<BR/><BR/>Black football players have spoken out in support of Vick:<BR/><BR/>http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,274636,00.html<BR/><BR/>I believe the NAACP is speaking up simply to ingratiate themselves with their base of support in the black community in light of rumors of dog-fighting being a "black thing".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-77832018930941940112007-07-31T03:49:00.000-04:002007-07-31T03:49:00.000-04:00NAACP? Most street blacks have never heard of it....NAACP? Most street blacks have never heard of it. Only white liberals give the organization any credence. For the rest of us, its difficult to distinguish between NAACP and the new black panthers now that the panthers are wearing suits.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-48101694971813657682007-07-31T02:16:00.000-04:002007-07-31T02:16:00.000-04:00Carolyn says:"Perhaps there are reasons other than...Carolyn says:<BR/><BR/>"Perhaps there are reasons other than race to explain the diametrically different responses. But, sadly, other explanations do not come immediately to mind."<BR/><BR/>KC, you are the master of understatement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-17423111077844755212007-07-31T01:50:00.000-04:002007-07-31T01:50:00.000-04:00Anonymous said... Is Vick a Communist? Jul 30, 200...Anonymous said... <BR/>Is Vick a Communist? <BR/><BR/>Jul 30, 2007 9:09:00 PM <BR/><BR/>======================================================================<BR/>Please, grow up--enough of this idiotic stuff. It's not funny and lowers the overall quality and seriousness of this site.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com