tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post4938884208995596349..comments2024-02-24T05:19:10.949-05:00Comments on Durham-in-Wonderland: From Burch to the Bohemian Lubianokcjohnson9http://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comBlogger72125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-3304873518201182812009-03-28T20:01:00.000-04:002009-03-28T20:01:00.000-04:00The justice4nifonggangof3 believe they are heroes ...The justice4nifonggangof3 believe they are heroes for standing up for cgm.<BR/><BR/>That is funny, even though it is delusional.unbekanntehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04156000065948879683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-70228341696884140012009-03-27T21:12:00.000-04:002009-03-27T21:12:00.000-04:00To the 8.24:Thank you for your insights.Linking Ma...To the 8.24:<BR/><BR/>Thank you for your insights.<BR/><BR/>Linking Martin Luther King, Jr.--among other things, a great defender of civil liberties--with Mike Nifong and Crystal Mangum is one of the more amusing historical analogies offered in the case.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps next we can hear about how former Sgt. Gottlieb should be compared to Elliot Ness.kcjohnson9https://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-11384802350153440722009-03-27T20:24:00.000-04:002009-03-27T20:24:00.000-04:00Those people are doing to get awfully thirsty wait...<I>Those people are doing to get awfully thirsty waiting for their versions of justice and righteousness to roll.</I><BR/><BR/><BR/>Not true. The statement was made by Dr. King in his "I Have a Dream Speech" at the height of the Civil Rights Movement. No one would have believed then, but 40 years later, it would produce a black president of USA.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Never under-estimate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-33121622170034889142009-03-27T15:03:00.000-04:002009-03-27T15:03:00.000-04:00Anonymous 3/26/09 7:01 PM"There are people fightin...Anonymous 3/26/09 7:01 PM<BR/><BR/>"There are people fighting for this young woman. It won't stop until justice rolls down like waters, and righteousness like a mighty stream."<BR/><BR/>Those people are doing to get awfully thirsty waiting for their versions of justice and righteousness to roll.unbekanntehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04156000065948879683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-87558102930413406792009-03-27T10:11:00.000-04:002009-03-27T10:11:00.000-04:00When I read something like the article below, I'm ...When I read something like the article below, I'm left with a lot of mixed feelings.<BR/><BR/>Funny how gross behavior will conjure up gross analogies.<BR/><BR/>"There is no easy death"---something Mr. Hertzberg said to me when I was choosing one of his mink jackets for my 30th birthday.<BR/><BR/>(For all PETA members---that was then, this is now.)<BR/><BR/>I wanted the jacket for a fashion statement because it could be worn with jeans as well as formal wear; however, at the same time, I felt very guilty wearing the skins of animals.<BR/><BR/>And as gross of an analogy as this seems, I have similar mixed feelings when I read someone like Holloway talking in such glowing terms.<BR/><BR/>I want to celebrate the long life of someone who contributed to chronicling the history of our country.....<BR/><BR/>......however, it must be remembered how these same people responded--(or not!) in the case of Franklin---when they didn't feel a <I>closeness</I> to those who could have used a bit of their "justice for all" and "equality" schtick in the Spring of 2006 and beyond.<BR/><BR/><BR/>***************************<BR/><BR/><I>Day meant to celebrate life of Dr. Franklin<BR/><BR/>By Gregory Childress : The Herald-Sun<BR/>Mar 27, 2009 <BR/><BR/> DURHAM -- In honor of his wishes, there will be no funeral for Dr. John Hope Franklin, the respected historian of the black experience in America who died Wednesday at age 94. <BR/><BR/>"He was a humble person that way," said Duke University spokeswoman Camille Jackson. "He didn't want a lot of fuss around him." <BR/><BR/>Instead of a funeral, there will be a celebration of Dr. Franklin's life June 11 at 11 a.m. in Duke Chapel. That day was chosen because it would have been the 69th wedding anniversary of Dr. Franklin and his late wife Aurelia Franklin. <BR/><BR/>"He specifically didn't want that [a funeral]," Jackson said. "The event in June is a celebration of his life." <BR/><BR/>But while Dr. Franklin didn't want a big deal made upon his death, it became a national news story Wednesday -- one that commanded the attention of President Barack Obama. <BR/><BR/>"Because of the life John Hope Franklin lived, the public service he rendered, and the scholarship that was the mark of his distinguished career, we all have a richer understanding of who we are as Americans and our journey as a people," Obama said. <BR/><BR/>Dr. Franklin endorsed Obama in the November presidential election, citing among other things his belief that Obama has the ability to bridge the nation's racial divide. <BR/><BR/>Karla Holloway, James B. Duke Professor of English and Professor of Law, said Dr. Franklin let it be known to everyone close to him that he did not want a funeral. <BR/><BR/>"John Hope Franklin told all of us on one occasion or another to 'put me in a box and put me in the ground,' " Holloway said. "He knew we would likely go overboard." <BR/><BR/>Holloway explained that Dr. Franklin didn't want to be revered by those he befriended and mentored.<BR/><BR/>"He wanted us to know him as a person," Holloway said. "Anytime we tried to revere him, he would go on the attack." <BR/><BR/>Still, Holloway said the scholars across multiple disciplines that Dr. Franklin got to know well feel the need to congregate before June 11 to pay homage to a man who meant so much to them. <BR/><BR/>"I don't know how we're going to satisfy it [the need to congregate]," Holloway said. "We're not going to violate his wishes. We've got to find a way around them." <BR/><BR/>Holloway's fondest memories of Dr. Franklin are watching him tend to his beloved orchids in his backyard greenhouse. <BR/><BR/>"You saw the kind of mind he had," Holloway said. "He could go from considering the most critical problems of our nation to nurturing the small bud of a plant in his greenhouse. When I saw the tenderness in the way that he tended to his plants, I understood how he could bring that focused attention to all else that he did." <BR/><BR/>Historian Lewis Suggs said Dr. Franklin was a humble man who will be remembered as a teacher, researcher and humanitarian. <BR/><BR/>"They'll be reading his books 200 years from now," Suggs said. "I think Dr. Franklin's greatest contribution is yet to come. He ignited a lot of scholars. He was a candle in the dark."</I>Debrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04567454727276881424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-75490319931134143942009-03-27T10:04:00.000-04:002009-03-27T10:04:00.000-04:00Why does Lubiano in Prague remind me of that scene...Why does Lubiano in Prague remind me of that scene from "Animal House" in which Flounder and Pinto are steered firmly to the losers' couch to sit beside Mohammed, Jugdesh, Sydney and Clayton? <BR/><BR/>Is this Duke's lame attempt to avoid service of a subpoena? I believe that Lubiano and her email cache would provide a lot of evidence against Duke and a lot of just plain good fun. My only wish it that the plaintiffs make sure they are VIDEO depositions! <BR/><BR/>*********************<BR/><BR/>For those people who claim it is anti-intellectual to make fun of the Gang of 88's scholarship, please provide a cogent defense of Lubiano's work product. I mean, this is like Dada scholarship -- as if she is intentionally being inane and useless.<BR/><BR/>********************<BR/><BR/>Michael Burch made $2mil in bail? I guess this explains why I couldn't find him in the Durham County Jail's database, but it begs the question of how he made bail. The Duke Chronicle needs to look into the whole Burch affair. <BR/><BR/>********************<BR/><BR/>This was one of your best posts, K.C.! MOO! GregoryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-45151567725274627932009-03-27T09:39:00.000-04:002009-03-27T09:39:00.000-04:00Anonymous @ 7:01:Apparently, your response to fact...Anonymous @ 7:01:<BR/><BR/>Apparently, your response to facts and evidence is to cast the case in terms of a social parable of a poor black woman against rich white men..... is that really how you want the justice system to work? In the 1950's, there were several cases where a black man was accused of raping a white woman, and in those cases, a black man, any black man, would do as a defendant, all in the name of justice..... is that really what you want? Scary.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-33508616160146430342009-03-27T07:56:00.000-04:002009-03-27T07:56:00.000-04:00Anonymous 3/26/09 7:15 PMAnonymous 3/26/09 7:01 PM...Anonymous 3/26/09 7:15 PM<BR/><BR/>Anonymous 3/26/09 7:01 PM<BR/><BR/>Anonymous 3/26/09 5:03 PM<BR/><BR/>You are all examples of common psychopathology. <BR/><BR/>During the Papacy of Paul VI, a Papal commission advised him to ease the RC Church's position on contraception. Paul VI did not do this. He was advised if he did so the RC Church would admit it had been "wrong". The RC Chyrch could not be wrong. That comes from a book called PAPAL SIN by Garry Wills published in 2001. <BR/><BR/>All you anonymouses(sp?) can not admit you are wrong.<BR/><BR/>I first put this on the Justice4nifonggangof3 blog. Either you are all "decent"(?) "honorable"(??) "distinguished"(???) "minister of justice"(????) Nifong or you are all channeling the same evil nifong spirit. Like nifong you charge people with wrongdoing without cause or evidence. You then vilify and disparage the people you accuse. You talk about evidence which you fail to present. Then you declare the people you accuse guilty.<BR/><BR/>Explain this, if you can. Professor Johnson has been invited to discuss the cgm case at major academic sessions, including one at Duke. Have nifong, cgm or any of her sycophants ever been invited to a major academic session to discuss the case?unbekanntehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04156000065948879683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-56235850464579714252009-03-26T22:28:00.000-04:002009-03-26T22:28:00.000-04:00"There are people fighting for this young woman. I...<I>"There are people fighting for this young woman. It won't stop until justice rolls down like waters, and righteousness like a mighty stream."</I><BR/><BR/><BR/>Two possibilities.<BR/><BR/>Two nuts.<BR/><BR/>Take your pick.<BR/><BR/>Polanski putting on a show or Victoria Peterson putting on a different kind of show.<BR/><BR/>One which she might even believe.Debrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04567454727276881424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-9481434542208773242009-03-26T22:20:00.000-04:002009-03-26T22:20:00.000-04:00To the 7.15:Many thanks for your inspiring rhetori...To the 7.15:<BR/><BR/>Many thanks for your inspiring rhetoric.<BR/><BR/>While I prefer to live in the reality-based community, you appear not to have followed the case. I'd urge you to consult the Attorney General's report, the transcript of ex-DA Nifong's ethics hearing, and the transcript of the 12-15-06 court hearing.kcjohnson9https://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-81723899076837122542009-03-26T21:05:00.000-04:002009-03-26T21:05:00.000-04:00Alas, Prague has been hit by the Plague. Maybe th...Alas, Prague has been hit by the Plague. Maybe they'll keep her.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-10874281141799487052009-03-26T21:03:00.000-04:002009-03-26T21:03:00.000-04:00Nifong refused to consider or even look at any exc...Nifong refused to consider or even look at any exculpatory evidence that was presented on behalf of the defendants. Nifong not only knowingly withheld evidence that should have been turned over to the defense but then lied about said evidence not only to the judge but also to reporters who in turn reported that "they had seen documents which bolstered Nifong's claims as to the culpablility of the accused" - this was in the infamous NY Times article of August 2006. Nifong did not meet with the perpetrator of the hoax - Crystal Mangum yet demonstrated for all and assundry how she calimed that she had been grabbed by the lax players (this was demonstrated by him in a news interview that was played over and over on national television and pictures were shown in a Newsweek (I believe it was either that publication or Time). Nifong used the media while at the same time accusing the defendants' lawyers of manipulating the press. Why did Nifong go to such great lengths? Was he really interested at all in justice? If he was, then he would have wanted to get all the facts (good and bad) so as to see that justice was done. Instead, Nifong was interested in one thing - getting elected so that he could secure a bigger pension - so in the end, it was about feathering the Nifong nest.<BR/>His supporters can make whatever claims that they want, but they cannot dispute the fact that Nifong did not have the administration of justice as his first and only goal. If he had, he would have looked at the exculpatory evidence presented by teh defense attorneys and submitted it to rigorous checking to see if it held up instead of suggesting that it was manufactured (this was the subject of speculation for over a week in the press as a result of suggestions from Nifong's office). He would have met with the accused (instead of sending his bumbling sidekick Linwood Wilson) and demanded a rigorous accounting of her actions (and then checked her background out and her timeline of the days' events). He would not have felt the need to comment publicly at every given moment about the case. He would not have ordered the arrest of Elmo to threaten him with deportation to change his story (Elmo is a hero of the first magnitude - a real man of courage). Finally, he would have gone public with the Meehan report (after first properly informing the defense lawyers) that there were real problems with Mangum's story. But then, to have done any of the above would have threatened his chances of gaining the black electorate's vote - which brings one back to the beginning point that Nifong saw and attempted to use this case for his won personal gain. It is for this reason that the lowest circle of Dante's Inferno is reserved for him.<BR/>cksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-21227971290588060322009-03-26T19:15:00.000-04:002009-03-26T19:15:00.000-04:00KC Johnson,Ha. So in your world, everyone is lying...KC Johnson,<BR/><BR/>Ha. So in your world, everyone is lying on the poor arrogant rich ones? Crystal Mangum, Michael Nifong, The Durham Police, Duke Medical, Duke Professors, & Levicy?(Sarcasm) Boo hoo, no one is telling the truth but the dukies. <BR/><BR/>GMAB.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-92183351736486794002009-03-26T19:01:00.000-04:002009-03-26T19:01:00.000-04:00Mangum's story completely fell apart, with contrad...<I> Mangum's story completely fell apart, with contradictory evidence, obvious inability to identify her attackers, even in a rigged lineup, lack of DNA, and so on.....</I><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>No. It was the defense having a dog & pony show swaying public opinion in their favor by demonizing a poor young black woman because she dared to point a finger at the arrogant rich white guys. <BR/><BR/>There are people fighting for this young woman. It won't stop until justice rolls down like waters, and righteousness like a mighty stream.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-61145308286287203782009-03-26T18:56:00.000-04:002009-03-26T18:56:00.000-04:00Anonymous 3/26/09 5:03 PM"KC Johnson,Allow me to m...Anonymous 3/26/09 5:03 PM<BR/><BR/>"KC Johnson,<BR/><BR/>Allow me to make myself clear. The people of Durham, North Carolina elected Michael Nifong because they wanted HIM.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Some prosecutors have done far worse than Michael Nifong. You do know that, don't you? You could have shown your followers what it is to be honest. I hope your conscience give you no rest until you do what is right and honorable."<BR/><BR/>I believe after all his posts on DIW Professor Johnson sleeps very soundly.unbekanntehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04156000065948879683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-38299684088818013462009-03-26T18:37:00.000-04:002009-03-26T18:37:00.000-04:00To R.D.:Alas, there is no such exception in such a...To R.D.:<BR/><BR/>Alas, there is no such exception in such a case. Perhaps the Bar should take up the issue at its next meeting :)<BR/><BR/>To the 5.03:<BR/><BR/>I agree completely with your statement that "The people of Durham, North Carolina [or at least 49% of them] elected Michael Nifong because they wanted HIM." That result, of course, is one of the strongest arguments against elected DA's that I could imagine.<BR/><BR/><BR/>"Some prosecutors have done far worse than Michael Nifong."<BR/><BR/>Indeed they have. That doesn't excuse anything that Nifong did. Also, I don't recall recent occasions in which other "prosecutors [did] far worse than Michael Nifong" in which the local faculty effectively endorsed the corrupt prosecutor's case, or the <I>New York Times</I> slanted coverage in the corrupt prosecutor's favor, or the local NAACP published an 82-point "memorandum of law" designed to bolster the corrupt prosecutor's case.kcjohnson9https://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-65749131855235696192009-03-26T18:27:00.000-04:002009-03-26T18:27:00.000-04:00Anonymous @ 3:09:Let's assume for the sake of disc...Anonymous @ 3:09:<BR/><BR/>Let's assume for the sake of discussion that Nifong truly believed in the case.... the real question is not whether he believed in the case, but whether that belief was rational, or to put it another way, did he have any basis whatsover to believe there was probable cause? Initially, one could argue that "he said, she said" was enough; however, within just a few weeks, Mangum's story completely fell apart, with contradictory evidence, obvious inability to identify her attackers, even in a rigged lineup, lack of DNA, and so on..... the real question is why were Nifong's perceptions so distorted as to allow him to press on long after it was obvious that no attack of any kind occured. His rigidity in the face of overwhelming evidence that the charge was false is indeed something that should be examined.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-28303158962182576232009-03-26T17:49:00.000-04:002009-03-26T17:49:00.000-04:00KC,Is there an exception to the ethics rules if th...KC,<BR/><BR/>Is there an exception to the ethics rules if the prosecutor has "a flat out and blatant" belief in the case AND if one knows that God knows it, too?<BR/><BR/>-RDAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-57142560514934080202009-03-26T17:31:00.000-04:002009-03-26T17:31:00.000-04:003:09 said:There is no other reason than Michael Ni...3:09 said:<BR/><BR/><I>There is no other reason than Michael Nifong believed in the case.</I><BR/><BR/>As KC pointed out, there is no exception for 'believing in the case'. It should also be noted that nifong's statements to the press violated the canons of his profession <I>even if there had been any truth to the allegations</I>. His goose was cooked no matter what the results of the underlying case.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-2046912678359315792009-03-26T17:03:00.000-04:002009-03-26T17:03:00.000-04:00KC Johnson,Allow me to make myself clear. The peop...KC Johnson,<BR/><BR/>Allow me to make myself clear. The people of Durham, North Carolina elected Michael Nifong because they wanted HIM.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Some prosecutors have done far worse than Michael Nifong. You do know that, don't you? You could have shown your followers what it is to be honest. I hope your conscience give you no rest until you do what is right and honorable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-74962686505569769792009-03-26T15:20:00.000-04:002009-03-26T15:20:00.000-04:00To the 3.09:Many thanks for your kind words. I've ...To the 3.09:<BR/><BR/>Many thanks for your kind words. I've always found, however, that pointing to specific pieces of evidence--rather than simply making ad hominem attacks--is a more effective line of persuasion.<BR/><BR/>A quick correction to your comment: district attorneys in North Carolina are not elected statewide.<BR/><BR/>And I should note that every day, all around the country, prosecutors who "believe[] in the case" do not violate ethical canons by giving dozens of interviews that demonize the suspects--even if doing so might serve their short-term political interest.<BR/><BR/>I would urge you to take a glimpse, therefore, at the ethics rules of the Bar, which do not provide an exception for prosecutors who allegedly "believed in the case."kcjohnson9https://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-70270632615819425872009-03-26T15:09:00.000-04:002009-03-26T15:09:00.000-04:00There must be some other reason that nifong gave a...<I>There must be some other reason that nifong gave approx 70 media interviews, many on national TV.<BR/><BR/>If not for the upcoming primary, why would nifong do that? Other than for the '$1,000,000 of free publicity'?</I><BR/><BR/><BR/>There is no other reason than Michael Nifong believed in the case. The people of North Carolina elected him because they wanted him. <BR/><BR/><BR/>KC Johnson IS dishonest.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-56643141182052915232009-03-26T14:06:00.000-04:002009-03-26T14:06:00.000-04:00A nifong supporter wrote:That is the meme you've p...A nifong supporter wrote:<BR/><BR/><I>That is the meme you've pushed from the start. It is a flat out blatant lie.</I><BR/><BR/>There must be some other reason that nifong gave approx 70 media interviews, many on national TV.<BR/><BR/>If not for the upcoming primary, why would nifong do that? Other than for the '$1,000,000 of free publicity'?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-13174939507902813202009-03-26T13:54:00.000-04:002009-03-26T13:54:00.000-04:00Just noticed the dates are a day apart in my previ...Just noticed the dates are a day apart in my previous citation of the two comments. Sorry about that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-58729521307855994232009-03-26T13:49:00.000-04:002009-03-26T13:49:00.000-04:00Anonymous 2:14 AM attributes her/his quoted remark...Anonymous 2:14 AM attributes her/his quoted remarks to KC. <BR/>This is wrong; the words were posted by unbekannte 1:44 AM.<BR/><BR/>A half hour apart. <BR/><BR/>But, we can take comfort in knowledge that 2:14 AM speaks with God directly,<BR/><BR/>"KC Johnson should stop being dishonest.He has been dishonest from the beginning. God has knowledge of all of his dishonesty."<BR/><BR/>Clearly, there is a severe lack of coherence in the Klan of 88 and their minions. Apparently, even conversations with the Almighty cannot help.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com