tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post579364265942319191..comments2024-02-24T05:19:10.949-05:00Comments on Durham-in-Wonderland: Nifong's Political Base Crumbleskcjohnson9http://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comBlogger87125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-37898576455429106522007-04-04T21:42:00.000-04:002007-04-04T21:42:00.000-04:00@ Duke09ParentWe are intruding on KC's patience by...@ Duke09Parent<BR/><BR/>We are intruding on KC's patience by going so far off topic.<BR/><BR/>The distinction I am making is between the public sphere and the private sphere. The government has a monopoly on legitimate physical force and legal rule making. In consequence, severe restraints on the power of government are, in my view, necessary. It does not follow that equivalent restraints on private parties are warranted, let alone necessary.<BR/><BR/>If I refuse to hire people who wrongly think Victor Hugo was a good poet, then the consequences of such a bad decision, if in fact it be one, fall on me.<BR/><BR/>I recognize that my position opens the door to very immoral types of invidious discrimination. So reasonable people of good will may disagree with my position. But I have considerable faith in people's ability to distinguish right from wrong (not that they necessarily act in accordance,) and I have no problem with private sanctions against those who do wrong. We as a country seem to be deciding that the state is the only entity that can distinguish right from wrong and that the private individual has neither a right nor a duty to follow his or her own conscience regardless of the judgments of the state. We publically criminalize too much and privately judge too little.<BR/><BR/>These of course are mere value judgments on my part.<BR/><BR/>JeffMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-68614962755423575452007-04-04T15:57:00.000-04:002007-04-04T15:57:00.000-04:00JeffM--I think I agree with this of yours:"I have ...JeffM--<BR/>I think I agree with this of yours:<BR/><BR/>"I have no legal obligation to employ anyone, and if I choose to make drug testing a condition of employment by me, no one is compelled to accept my offer."<BR/><BR/>I still have some ambivalent feelings toward it, though. Suppose your condition for employment was giving a blood sample for whatever test you want to run. Could you deny employment for finding a medical condition or evidence of a behavior which has nothing to do with illegality or day to day ability to perform the job? Say, high cholesterol or nicotine levels? <BR/><BR/>My comment was more toward the attitude that only lawbreakers have anything to fear from testing. Your point about government actions vs. private actions is valid. <BR/><BR/>Yet I am still troubled by the idea that a person may be discriminated against in private employment for behaviors which are completely legal and are done off the job--smoking, eating fat-laden hamburgers, having hereditary risk for heart disease and early death. <BR/><BR/>We are not too far removed from a society envisioned by the film "Gattica".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-69293421876693459122007-04-03T17:58:00.000-04:002007-04-03T17:58:00.000-04:00KC Please excuse the somewhat off topic response, ...KC Please excuse the somewhat off topic response, but it is an error to confuse necessary restraints on the state and restraints on private contract rights.<BR/><BR/>@ Duke09Parent<BR/><BR/>I always accord your views respect, but I must admit I strongly disagree with you about drug tests, particularly in jobs that demand discretion, honesty, or attention.<BR/><BR/>I have no legal obligation to employ anyone, and if I choose to make drug testing a condition of employment by me, no one is compelled to accept my offer.<BR/><BR/>Personally, I do not want to get on an airplane piloted by someone with a drug habit, depend for hospital care from someone with a drug habit, or turn my money over to someone with a drug habit. Why do you equate that with warrantless searches?<BR/><BR/>The only argument in favor of criminalizing drugs that has any validity for me is that, if they were legalized, the next step would be a prohibition of conditioning employment on being drug free. <BR/><BR/>JeffMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-26030529605059564102007-04-03T14:08:00.000-04:002007-04-03T14:08:00.000-04:00I'm not surprised that preachers were asking the c...I'm not surprised that preachers were asking the congregation to pray for Nifong or continue to support him. After all, some of them even welcomed the NBBP into their church. Unsavory.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-35818702501121533552007-04-03T11:55:00.000-04:002007-04-03T11:55:00.000-04:00The value of reports like these is that it can und...The value of reports like these is that it can undermine group think. These reports permit those folks who have been convinced by the groupthink against the players to start accepting the fact of the frame. If other groupthink victims can break out then many more can. <BR/><BR/>As to the blanket drug testing theory:<BR/>"People who don't do drugs or drink excessively don't care if the firm does testing. Just like the team didn't care that the DNA order was to inclusive, They knew the results would be negative to them."<BR/><BR/>That sounds a lot like the justifications for warrantless searches. After all, people innocent of crime have nothing to fear from the police searching their houses indiscriminently, do they? <BR/><BR/>That way lies danger. "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." --attributed to Benjamin Franklin, but authorship unclear.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-13813943462413483092007-04-03T08:43:00.000-04:002007-04-03T08:43:00.000-04:00Ha! you all actually believe because a Newsday rep...Ha! you all actually believe because a Newsday reporter talked to, maybe 3 black people and Mckissack, that all the black support in Durham for Nifong has eroded? Wow, you all are stupider than I thought. You believe the report of 3 people is representative and one of them a janitor! You should have gone the the funeral of Jeanne Lucas last week of so and seen the real black political leadership of Durham and you would have seen McKissack and many other prominent blacks shaking hands with Mr. Nifong.<BR/><BR/>The majority of Blacks here have not changed their opinion very much and they view the persecution of Nifong by the Bar as politically motivated and the result of the defense's political power with the Bar, period. Many black preachers in the area were asking their congregations to pray for Nifong and the accuser as of this Sunday. Others preached about how man can buy justice but he cannot buy God and have used Ed Bradley and Kirk Osborn as examples of that. <BR/><BR/>Keep on your wishful thinking.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-63445029881943086522007-04-03T08:18:00.000-04:002007-04-03T08:18:00.000-04:0012:55-"Just like the team didn't care that the DNA...12:55-"Just like the team didn't care that the DNA order was to inclusive, They knew the results would be negative to them."<BR/><BR/>Just LOOK at what happened as a result of those sweeping DNA tests! Three innocent young men INDICTED! This is why *even* innocent people should care, and should resist, giving up their rights...you can say, "If one is innocent, one shouldn't mind submitting."...that would be true in a perfect world, where the people in charge are honest, ethical, and DECENT...but when you're dealing with scum like Mike Nifong, well, look where being innocent gets you...precisely NOWHERE!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-51487559860796956022007-04-03T06:03:00.000-04:002007-04-03T06:03:00.000-04:00McKissick should put up or shut up. Let's see him...McKissick should put up or shut up. Let's see him file one of those petitions with Hudson to have Nifong removed as DA NOW. Until then, he's just another hustler blowing smoke.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-81416714825282119202007-04-03T01:12:00.000-04:002007-04-03T01:12:00.000-04:00Anon 12:55 People who don't do drugs or drink ex...Anon 12:55 <I> People who don't do drugs or drink excessively don't care if the firm does testing. Just like the team didn't care that the DNA order was to inclusive, They knew the results would be negative to them.</I><BR/><BR/>Judge Stephens ordered that 46 suspects submit to DNA testing.MTU'76https://www.blogger.com/profile/12033632655757827107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-75683986102971609502007-04-03T00:55:00.000-04:002007-04-03T00:55:00.000-04:00People who don't do drugs or drink excessively don...People who don't do drugs or drink excessively don't care if the firm does testing. Just like the team didn't care that the DNA order was to inclusive, They knew the results would be negative to them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-29249308879035358622007-04-03T00:38:00.000-04:002007-04-03T00:38:00.000-04:0011:52 Anonymous said...I am an Rn a lot about drug...11:52 Anonymous said...<BR/><BR/><I>I am an Rn a lot about drug use and reactions. BTW, I am for all firms having mandatory drug testing - that will help cut out the drugies.</I><BR/><BR/>Honestly,I have had enough of 'guilty until proven innocent.'MTU'76https://www.blogger.com/profile/12033632655757827107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-42471843039780716192007-04-03T00:30:00.000-04:002007-04-03T00:30:00.000-04:00Mike from the Silver State - no worries - Nifong i...Mike from the Silver State - no worries - Nifong is not the introspective sort. He sleeps well at night. A conscience or some amount of empathy would be required for him to have a crisis over his behavior in this case. Not going to happen...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-35959891134637153022007-04-03T00:25:00.000-04:002007-04-03T00:25:00.000-04:00Another case of a man convicted on a misidentifica...Another case of a man convicted on a misidentification. But here's what the DA recently said:<BR/><BR/>"I truly regret that this had to happen, everybody trying to do the right thing and going through all the right steps and coming out with the wrong result," said District Attorney Frank Clark. "I think a simple 'I'm sorry' would never be enough," the prosecutor said.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.cnn.com/2007/LAW/04/02/jogger.slain.ap/index.html" REL="nofollow"> After 22 years in prison, man exonerated</A><BR/><BR/>Wonder if Mike Nifong is man enough to apologize.Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11381497683202091939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-26646070609072967472007-04-03T00:23:00.000-04:002007-04-03T00:23:00.000-04:00For any thinking supporter of Nifong, this case mu...For any thinking supporter of Nifong, this case must instill a crisis of identity. Their disillusioned might best be summed up by a favorite Pogo quote, "We have met the enemy, and he is us".<BR/><BR/>Imagine thinking for a lifetime that you are better than the vile perpetrators of racism, prejudice, and the abuse of the justice system to effect injustice. Suddenly, when the chance arises, you find that you are no better than the lowest, most vile of those whom you have come to hate. <BR/><BR/>No wonder there is such a reluctance to see the truth. My God, what a catharsis! No wonder there are so many who have not yet realized the depth of their own hypocrisy.<BR/><BR/>Mike in NevadaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-14377080428356873422007-04-03T00:00:00.000-04:002007-04-03T00:00:00.000-04:00Gary, the prescription drugs being abused were pro...Gary, the prescription drugs being abused were probably all necessary against acid reflux, I know I'd need extra protonix if I worked for 10:31MTU'76https://www.blogger.com/profile/12033632655757827107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-66444907711900187852007-04-02T23:52:00.000-04:002007-04-02T23:52:00.000-04:0010:31 Bit so, I am an Rn a lot about drug use and ...10:31 Bit so, I am an Rn a lot about drug use and reactions. BTW, I am for all firms having mandatory drug testing - that will help cut out the drugies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-82384032778776340932007-04-02T23:36:00.000-04:002007-04-02T23:36:00.000-04:00Anonymous 10:31 You fired THREE of [your] employee...Anonymous 10:31 <BR/><BR/>You fired THREE of [your] employees due to perscription drug abuse? <BR/><BR/>They need perscription drugs to make it through the day?<BR/><BR/>They also have a political base that was crumbling? <BR/><BR/>GPGary Packwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05177986821224068759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-18834388858567457152007-04-02T22:57:00.000-04:002007-04-02T22:57:00.000-04:00I can see Nifong and Victoria Peterson "hooking up...I can see Nifong and Victoria Peterson "hooking up". One is as loony as the other.<BR/>Maybe when Cy is out of the picture, he and Victoria can run over to Duke for some classes on hooking up. And other stuff.<BR/><BR/>He he.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-30612436766823111142007-04-02T22:31:00.000-04:002007-04-02T22:31:00.000-04:00To the 9:39- pay better attention to your coworker...To the 9:39- pay better attention to your coworkers. I've fired three of my employees due to perscription drug abuse. You damn sure can tell when they are eff'ed up on that junk. Our work is too dangerous to let them work like that, so they get to go work somewhere else.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-80363409654508347102007-04-02T22:02:00.000-04:002007-04-02T22:02:00.000-04:00"If at first you don't succeed...redefine success...."If at first you don't succeed...<BR/>redefine success."<BR/><BR/>This explains some of what we are seeing and will see.<BR/><BR/>I'm betting Cy will desert Nofing before Victoria, BTW.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-9836520306841631942007-04-02T21:51:00.000-04:002007-04-02T21:51:00.000-04:007;23 Its true - the best defense is a good offense...7;23 Its true - the best defense is a good offense - attacking the messanger is inappropriate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-82782930098202945402007-04-02T21:42:00.000-04:002007-04-02T21:42:00.000-04:008:41pmGreat points. Thanks for clearing things up...8:41pm<BR/><BR/>Great points. Thanks for clearing things up for the clueless.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-13099369889241714232007-04-02T21:39:00.000-04:002007-04-02T21:39:00.000-04:00Contrary to current MSM lies, people on pain kille...Contrary to current MSM lies, people on pain killers are not walking around in a fog. Neither are people on antidepressants. This stuff does not put you OUT. All of us work with people everyday who are High on Life-You can tell who drinks alcohol excessively but not the drugs. Except for the runny nose of Cocaine or the rapid heartbeat.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-81199083907179356482007-04-02T21:31:00.000-04:002007-04-02T21:31:00.000-04:00Stuart's claim was never plausable. It does not wo...Stuart's claim was never plausable. It does not work that way, he would have been dead also. My wonderful Director Steve, with a Phd from Harvard in education was " Are you sure? It was not obvious to me that Smith killed those children,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-63417052190304578302007-04-02T20:41:00.000-04:002007-04-02T20:41:00.000-04:00What about the Stuart and Smith cases? Want to co...What about the Stuart and Smith cases? Want to compare those hoaxes to the Duke hoax?<BR/><BR/>First and foremost, they didn't press charges in the Stuart and Smith cases. <BR/><BR/>A guy was arrested as a suspect in the Stuart case but was released when Stuart's brother came forward and told police the truth. Compare this with Precious' relatives. <BR/><BR/>Furthermore, after the Smith and Stuart cases, there was a big debate and theme in the press about the "propensity to believe." <BR/><BR/>In the Duke case, there was not only a "propensity to believe," but to charge with the crime, with no evidence, for a year and counting.<BR/><BR/>But there has been almost no press mea culpa or introspection about the "propensity to believe" in the Duke case. Some will always believe and will be proud to believe.<BR/><BR/>And your point is?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com