tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post6293414914099939354..comments2024-02-24T05:19:10.949-05:00Comments on Durham-in-Wonderland: The Bar's Devastating Response to Nifongkcjohnson9http://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comBlogger97125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-26541882775855155502007-04-03T15:39:00.000-04:002007-04-03T15:39:00.000-04:00The "Delta Dawn" song is great.I'll be using in my...The "Delta Dawn" song is great.<BR/>I'll be using in my show.<BR/><BR/>Thanks so much. I absolutely love it!!!!<BR/><BR/>Quick statement:<BR/><BR/>I think the Group of 88 will forever travel the abyss as academic transient zombies. Maybe the NC NAACP runs a shelter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-92151795645863521492007-03-20T20:42:00.000-04:002007-03-20T20:42:00.000-04:00Bakerman, you bring up many good points. I wonder ...Bakerman, you bring up many good points. I wonder how many other people Nifong railroaded during his time in office - he certainly doesn't seem to be at all familiar with truth or ethics.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-40621369996382151962007-03-20T20:05:00.000-04:002007-03-20T20:05:00.000-04:00Kemp @ 10:05:Did you mean US AG or US Attorney?Kemp @ 10:05:<BR/>Did you mean US AG or US Attorney?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-80939661184362117912007-03-20T19:21:00.000-04:002007-03-20T19:21:00.000-04:00RE: NC Prosecutor - "In fact, quite frankly, but f...RE: NC Prosecutor - "In fact, quite frankly, but for the national attention this case received, I'm not sure the Bar would have investigated. Of course, the media attention itself begs the question of whether we would be here at all." - Mar 19, 2007 7:16:00 PM <BR/><BR/>Thank you for begging the questions; <BR/><BR/>1) Aside from Mr. Nifong, how many false prosecutions were undertaken in North Carolina, say, during the last year? <BR/><BR/>2) What would happen if there was a KC Johnson in every courtroom?<BR/><BR/>3) What percentage of wrongful convictions depended on the cooperation (complicity) of the presiding judge? <BR/><BR/>4) Has North Carolina ever hosted a fair trial concerning a capital crime?<BR/><BR/>5) Isn't it true that the accused is always guilty?<BR/><BR/>6) Why should the "Grand Jury" be held liable when the resulting indictment was based entirely on the false testimony of the prosecutor? <BR/><BR/>7) Why are Grand Jury transcripts, where available, mostly harmful to judges and prosecutors?<BR/><BR/>...Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11455115946266214907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-84683846352246590262007-03-20T17:19:00.000-04:002007-03-20T17:19:00.000-04:00Anon @ 9:41 & 12:53 -That Brodhead should resign (...Anon @ 9:41 & 12:53 -<BR/><BR/>That Brodhead should resign (or be so requested by the Board of Trustees) is a point we can agree upon 100%. <BR/><BR/>Speaking as a Duke alum I sometimes find it necessary to point out that Brodhead doesn't speak for me. He doesn't speak for my class. He doesn't speak for the vast majority of alumni(ae). I can easily identify with the LAX players and not at all with the administration. Like many alums, I am angered beyond measure that the Dean of Student Life (Sue Wasiolek - AKA she who specifically suggested the lacrosse players should meet with the police without the advice of legal counsel OR EVEN THE KNOWLEDGE OF THEIR PARENTS) has escaped the excoriation she richly deserves.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps we disagree on a major point as I do not want Duke to be irreparably damaged by this incident. <BR/><BR/>I DO want to see the school cleansed and improved. It has been a great place, it can be even better, and it doesn't have to be destroyed in the process. However, this cannot happen under Brodhead's administration. Duke was great before him, but to remain so he must be gone. So must Dean Sue. Her "advice" was unconscionable and she's gotten off too lightly.<BR/><BR/>Duke '91Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-42211277907520671282007-03-20T15:31:00.000-04:002007-03-20T15:31:00.000-04:00Nifong wanted to be elected. Gas bubbles in his br...Nifong wanted to be elected. Gas bubbles in his brain have no bearing on how he acted in this case.<BR/><BR/>I agree that it is too soon to dance on the grave of his career - he is still in office.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-65144794447873322772007-03-20T14:14:00.000-04:002007-03-20T14:14:00.000-04:00I said from the beginning that Nifong had a giant ...I said from the beginning that Nifong had a giant brain f^^^.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-17028517968564958542007-03-20T12:31:00.000-04:002007-03-20T12:31:00.000-04:00It is true that KC does not need anyone to defend ...It is true that KC does not need anyone to defend him. None the less, we are very protective of KC - very positive feeling and respect for him. I was an Rn working stiff for fifty years. Thanks to Kc, Bill A.. and the rest (Professor Tom gives me a laugh every day)I am getting an college education in my old age.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-42144651911595761882007-03-20T11:43:00.000-04:002007-03-20T11:43:00.000-04:00To follow up on the rogue question.Lets say youre ...To follow up on the rogue question.<BR/><BR/>Lets say youre a white police officer and you work in a black department. You are up for a promotion. To display your lack of racism you decide to shoot 3 white boys for jaywalking....and then throw down a "smoking gun" saying it was from the biys you just shot.<BR/><BR/>Clearly you are a rogue cop. If youre nefarious scheme is uncovered at a later date...are you implying the police department would not face liability due to you acting outside of department guidelines?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-75993230101998905282007-03-20T11:16:00.000-04:002007-03-20T11:16:00.000-04:00Yeah, I would think the rogue DA would apply unles...Yeah, I would think the rogue DA would apply unless some evidence can be found that other people colluded with Nifong to break the law and/or that this was SOP in Durham.<BR/><BR/>The DPD will probably get off by arguing they did what Nifong told them to do and figured it was all lawful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-731112637168398812007-03-20T10:38:00.000-04:002007-03-20T10:38:00.000-04:00Can they sue the State since DA Nifong was acting ...Can they sue the State since DA Nifong was acting as an officer of the State?<BR/>Good question.There are 2 possible arguments:First,Nifong was the DA of Durham and therefore was acting in a position of authority thus making Durham and NC culpable.The other side could be that since the bar determined he was acting outside legal statutes(rogue DA)then Durham and NC can't be held accountable for his actions.ruinationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13195862785234869447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-3889467797725327832007-03-20T10:09:00.000-04:002007-03-20T10:09:00.000-04:00Ouch. Devasting is right.As a non lawyer I was w...Ouch. Devasting is right.<BR/><BR/>As a non lawyer I was worried that the idea that because he ultimately provided the exculpatory material prior to trial he might be able to wiggle out on a technicality, while this might save him from criminal prosecution it clearly isn't going to help him with the NC bar. <BR/><BR/>How great is it they remind Nifong that the underlying data he FINALLY turned over in response to the court order was done over his own OBJECTION!! Too funny.<BR/><BR/>It seems they have him dead to rights. Maybe his motion for dismissal was a last chance hope that if he gave the bar some technical, arcane basis for dropping some of the allegations they would go for it.<BR/><BR/>Looks like he was dead wrong. I love the fact they repeatedly and clearly accuse him of straight up lying to the court, which of course he did.<BR/><BR/>You really have to wonder what he was thinking this whole time, I guess he thought he might be able to bluff his way through a trial. As it stands, he was able to stall delivery of the exculpatory material long enough that the truth didn't come out until well after his election. What a POS this guy is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-88111506053233716412007-03-20T10:05:00.000-04:002007-03-20T10:05:00.000-04:007:16Well, it is possible that you are a NC prosecu...7:16<BR/><BR/>Well, it is possible that you are a NC prosecutor, but you must practice in Transylvania County(yes, we have one in NC) and not get out much. I have posted here several times that the Middle District US AG has already opened a file on Nifungu, she did so in May, 06. This information comes from a "New" federal judge, who was a US AG, if your from NC you can figure that out, if your not then you won't have a clue. Well, you "could" Google new federal judges in NC to see who this is, if you wanted to.<BR/><BR/>Mikey WILL get DISBARRED. I use to think it was 50-50 the feds would act, now 90-10. They can NOT ignore the Bar reply, it is public. They will have to act.<BR/><BR/>KempAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-10502110769202756062007-03-20T08:31:00.000-04:002007-03-20T08:31:00.000-04:00Well said 10:16:"We are here and debating a year l...Well said 10:16:<BR/><BR/>"We are here and debating a year later because a gang of 88 professors wrote a statement that made KC Johnson mad. This case is changing the face of America, racism, rape and so much more."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-63619058759571192752007-03-20T07:06:00.000-04:002007-03-20T07:06:00.000-04:00To NC prosecutor at 7:21 -- I believe if criminal ...To NC prosecutor at 7:21 -- I believe if criminal charges come against Nifong they will be at the federal level, and be taken out of the hands of a Durham County grand jury. Although I don't have much faith in the Bush Justice Department and Albert Gonzales (if he's even there them).<BR/><BR/>To a larger point about the justice system -- I imagine I am like many people who will have observed this case. A year ago, I would've said that prosecutors are ethical, police are diligent and fair in their investigations, and that the idea of them conspiring to frame innocent people when they know no crime was committed was unthinkable.<BR/><BR/>I no longer believe that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-6000863953903733432007-03-20T06:51:00.000-04:002007-03-20T06:51:00.000-04:00It is pretty clear from Bar response that Nifong i...It is pretty clear from Bar response that Nifong intended to knowingly incarcerate 3 innocent persons for, perhaps, 20 years. <BR/><BR/>Is that a crime? If so is it as serious as Murder in First Degree?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-10680781946695169892007-03-20T06:34:00.000-04:002007-03-20T06:34:00.000-04:00Delta Dawn - Original Words and Music by Alex Harv...Delta Dawn - Original Words and Music by Alex Harvey and Larry Collins<BR/><BR/>CHORUS<BR/>Mike Nifong, what's that flower you have on?<BR/>Could it be a faded rose from days gone by?<BR/>And did I hear you say <BR/>Group 88 was a-meetin' you here today<BR/>To take you to their mansion in the sky-eye?<BR/><BR/>He's seventy-one and his wife still calls him "baby"<BR/>All the folks 'round Durham say he's crazy<BR/>'cause he walks downtown in his bathrobe with a plan<BR/>Lookin' for a mysterious mustached man<BR/><BR/>In his younger days they called him "The Nifong"<BR/>Most arrogant DA you ever laid eyes on<BR/>Then a gal of low degree stood by his side<BR/>Promised him she'd never never lied<BR/><BR/>CHORUS<BR/>CHORUS<BR/>CHORUS<BR/>CHORUSAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-19937694155448159532007-03-20T02:54:00.000-04:002007-03-20T02:54:00.000-04:00I get a kick out of 7:16. Defends the judges, tras...I get a kick out of 7:16. Defends the judges, trashes the bar, tries to say as much good about Nifong as he can, condescends to those who don't understand the law at his level of expertise, scoffs at the media coverage, moans that he has to address a mere rape case a full year later, implies that we're only talking about it because rich white kids at an elite university are involved, and never mentions justice.<BR/><BR/>Yep, as he proudly proclaims, he's an "NC prosecutor" alright.<BR/><BR/>beckettbecket03https://www.blogger.com/profile/18173177473977303546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-90773586951747405372007-03-20T01:37:00.000-04:002007-03-20T01:37:00.000-04:00Thanks to the magic of cam cords, all this is pres...Thanks to the magic of cam cords, all this is preserved on tape - ready for replay. titus and Stephens were shocking in their attitude and hostitly to the defense lawyers. I am retire and watch a lot of trials on Courtv - Both of them were disgraceful. Nifong just thrived on their comments. This certainly contributed to his "swollen ego and head."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-38960652200252378962007-03-20T00:56:00.000-04:002007-03-20T00:56:00.000-04:0011.59--I heartily agree with your caution. The et...11.59--<BR/><BR/>I heartily agree with your caution. The ethics committee of the bar is not the same as the AG office, just as law is not the same as politiics. Much remains to be seen. Too much premature jubilation on here, I fear.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-26646384806116223832007-03-20T00:53:00.000-04:002007-03-20T00:53:00.000-04:00Duke '91 at 9.41--To the world outside of Duke's i...Duke '91 at 9.41--<BR/><BR/>To the world outside of Duke's insular micro-culture, Brodhead IS DUKE. That's what was meant. THat's why he should resign. What else I've seen of Duke (almost entirely via this issue) makes me think that Brodhead is now rather more representative of Duke than many of their graduates, alas.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-36387091478056526282007-03-20T00:49:00.000-04:002007-03-20T00:49:00.000-04:00Scott at 12.28--You were right at the outset: Prof...Scott at 12.28--<BR/><BR/>You were right at the outset: Professor Johnson doesn't need you to defend him. Much ado about nothing. Think about that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-15502290140348914402007-03-20T00:28:00.000-04:002007-03-20T00:28:00.000-04:009:45 PM --You, sir, are an ass. Prof. Johnson doe...9:45 PM --<BR/><BR/>You, sir, are an ass. Prof. Johnson doesn't need me to stick up for him, but I'm going to anyway.<BR/><BR/>To make even the first remark about Prof. Johnson not answering your question could be construed as simply whining. But to come back and try to justify it in a second comment is assinine.<BR/><BR/>You are comparing apples and oranges. You asked a question about a legal point, something that Prof. Johnson is not an expert in and to answer would likely have to consult a third party before responding. How much time do you think he has to devote to this project? It is, after all, not his primary job. Why didn't you get off your butt and find out yourself if you wanted an answer.<BR/><BR/>As to Prof. Johnson mentioning that people (e.g., members of the G88) did not respond to his emails, my guess is that he was emailing to provide them an opportunity to clarify THEIR remarks. They didn't have to go off and do any research because the topic at hand was something about which they had first-hand knowledge -- THEIR remarks. They could have responded "off the cuff" so to speak. All Prof. Johnson was doing by remarking that they didn't respond to his emails was to let his readers know that he gave his target a chance to clarify the situation as an attempt to balance what he was writing in pointing out the absurdities of THEIR remarks. It is enlightening that not one of them ever responded. I'd like to think it's because they know THEIR remarks are absurd, but I know their egos are too big to ever come to that conclusion.<BR/><BR/>Apples ... Oranges. Think about it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-88645977369538707522007-03-19T23:59:00.000-04:002007-03-19T23:59:00.000-04:00How would the bar have an influence over the AG of...How would the bar have an influence over the AG office?<BR/>The case is obviously not over, and who knows what AG is going to do?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-54918820059100893942007-03-19T23:51:00.000-04:002007-03-19T23:51:00.000-04:00If the judges couldn't dismiss the case, they cert...If the judges couldn't dismiss the case, they certainly could have heard a motion or two. The motion to throw out the line up, which is the only evidence took months to schedule. A strong judge could have prevented a lot of this nonsense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com