tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post6691905042827065783..comments2024-02-24T05:19:10.949-05:00Comments on Durham-in-Wonderland: The Group of 88's Three-D Responsekcjohnson9http://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comBlogger69125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-66927951768469274972007-06-19T21:02:00.000-04:002007-06-19T21:02:00.000-04:00These professors are remind me of Hitlers henchmen...These professors are remind me of Hitlers henchmen.<BR/>jdwAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-1000815456094202672007-06-16T18:27:00.000-04:002007-06-16T18:27:00.000-04:00Finally, Mike Nifong is disbarred and he issues a ...Finally, Mike Nifong is disbarred and he issues a sort-of apology. yet where is the Group of 88? Duke has damaged itself and will continue to have a tarnished reputation until remedial measures are taken.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-19844203140814483512007-04-17T19:17:00.000-04:002007-04-17T19:17:00.000-04:00If you think the "88" are the only profs who think...If you think the "88" are the only profs who think like this,think again. They and their ilk across this country are brainwashing our children with their intellectual tripe. They are like the media,they teach their version of eduction like the media gives us their version of the news and we blindly accept it as fact. They should be terminated and made to live with Don Imus for a month.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-42610773289331669472007-04-13T17:09:00.000-04:002007-04-13T17:09:00.000-04:00To Anonymous at 4/11 8:58 --review your facts (the...To Anonymous at 4/11 8:58 --<BR/>review your facts (they are very important in legal analysis). Professor James Coleman of Duke Law School,notwithstanding what many would consider a liberal background, early on very publicly pointed out the deficiencies in the case and continued to do so as time progressed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-70154704645329440422007-04-11T22:07:00.000-04:002007-04-11T22:07:00.000-04:00If you want a real law degree go to Harvard. Dukee...If you want a real law degree go to Harvard. Dukee is just fancy word for shit. Dukee will be known from this day foward as a institution of lower learning.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-13167464998966679492007-04-11T20:58:00.000-04:002007-04-11T20:58:00.000-04:00Here is a poorly composed email for the English pr...Here is a poorly composed email for the English professor to review: This legal case is all the proof I need to apply to a different law school. If the legal minds at Duke couldn't educate the administration and professors on the lack of evidence and explain an eventual dismissal (as happened today)- why have a law school?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-63913039083732254142006-11-17T20:58:00.000-05:002006-11-17T20:58:00.000-05:00To the 7:23 Bill Andersen post, which says:
The...To the 7:23 Bill Andersen post, which says: <br /><br /><i><br />The poster claims there have been "civil rights violations," but the only people whose rights have been violated -- in a legal sense -- have been the Duke Three.<br /></i><br /><br />Wouldn't the special treatment of rowdy duke students by the Durham PD also count as a violation of civil rights? They are being treated differently, based on their 'class' of being a Duke Student, than any other minor, rowdy Durhamite....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-16707410888336952722006-11-15T20:13:00.000-05:002006-11-15T20:13:00.000-05:004:14
They had a freaking party for gods sake. Th...4:14<br /><br />They had a freaking party for gods sake. The DA, PD, Group of 88, potbangers, etc. created the mess by jumping to conclusions and presuming guilt. <br /><br />Sure, in hindsight, the party was a dumb idea. But the fact that this mess continues cannot be blamed on the LAX team. Those at fault can't even admit their initial failings (as the LAX team did right off the bat).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-42791877224452561762006-11-15T19:47:00.000-05:002006-11-15T19:47:00.000-05:00To 4:16 PM, don't hold your breath, asshole.To 4:16 PM, don't hold your breath, asshole.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-84680592011536016332006-11-15T16:16:00.000-05:002006-11-15T16:16:00.000-05:00to 8:59
" I suspect that many of these kids never...to 8:59<br /><br />" I suspect that many of these kids never would have gotten into Duke in any event."<br /><br />I suspect that may have been true. I suspect however that it is going to get a lot easier to get into DukeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-14969403805752456492006-11-15T16:14:00.000-05:002006-11-15T16:14:00.000-05:00LH, it is too bad that Brodhead, who, as you say, ...LH, it is too bad that Brodhead, who, as you say, was recruited by Duke because of his proven ability to lead and run a top-notch university, got screwed by the LAX players and has been required to spend the last eight months cleaning up the mess they created. This is a good illustration of how the damage done to Duke by the LAX players is not limited to the damage to its reputation resulting from their irresponsible behavior but also includes the damage resulting from opportunities which have been lost to Duke because Brodhead has been forced to focus on the LAX mess rather than on doing all of the wonderful things he was recruited to do. In fact, the damage goes even farther than that because now we have fanatical LAX team supporters urging everyone to withhold money from Duke, which screws Duke and screws all of the students there who have kept their noses clean and are just trying to get an education so they can do something important with their lives. In addition, these fanatics are urging the trustees to fire Brodhead even though, as you say, he is a proven leader who knows how to run a top-notch university, and they are urging this based upon a shallow and one-dimensional analysis that leads them to conclude that if he does not inject himself into the criminal process in Durham and loudly and publicly declare that the LAX players are innocent of rape, he does not deserve to be president of Duke no matter what else he has done to benefit the university and no matter what else he is capable of doing in the future. I have to tell you, LH, that this is garbage and that you and the others who are putting this stuff out there are doing a lot of damage to an institution that you say you love. By the way, I think it is fair to say that one of the reasons why Brodhead succeeded so brilliantly at Yale and why he was such a highly respected and even beloved figure there was because he did not have a bunch of out-of-control LAX players creating all the problems that the Duke LAX players have created, which suggests that maybe there really is something wrong with the culture at Duke and maybe the people who want to de-emphasize the role of athletics at Duke are on to something. If I were you, I would be directing my ire at the LAX players, not at Brodhead.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-75277766813533043462006-11-15T14:37:00.000-05:002006-11-15T14:37:00.000-05:00LearnedHand
Just FYI: Its "Brodhead" not "Broadhe...LearnedHand<br /><br />Just FYI: Its "Brodhead" not "Broadhead"...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-78447579583984181432006-11-15T12:13:00.000-05:002006-11-15T12:13:00.000-05:00learnedhand: Well said.
A Duke Momlearnedhand: Well said.<br /><br />A Duke MomAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-34772644359841210542006-11-15T12:04:00.000-05:002006-11-15T12:04:00.000-05:00no one should be surprised by those on this blog w...no one should be surprised by those on this blog who continue to try to use the silence and inaction of president broadhead and the board of trustees as shining examples of support. what else can these people say? they are either people who have kids at duke and feel the need to defend their choice of where they send their child to school (and those in charge) OR they are blind supporters (who most likely have connections to these aforementioned people, but never admit it). understandable. <br /><br />i, too, attended duke - twice. i love the school and my experiences there. i also essentially grew up in durham - as a second home - due to family in the area.<br /><br />i hold no grudge against duke, come with no agenda against the administration in general, and wish nothing but the best for duke and durham. however...<br /><br />the blind faith and support shown by those few, very few, of you who support the unbelievable inaction and unbearable silence by this administration is extremely disappointing. what are you so afraid of? you constantly blast those who criticize the administration by saying - they "obviously have good reasons" or "what else could they do?" you KNOW those are absolutely weak and lazy defenses. dick broadhead was recruited - yes - recruited, for his leadership abilities. his proven ability to lead and provide an example of how to run a top-notch university, to increase fundraising and alumni interest, and to generally provide the presence necessary at a top-10 school. so let me ask you - since march - are you telling me that he has done this? has he provided leadership? i have read his very few statements he has made - most of which came in the weeks immediately following the beginning of this travesty. in your desperate attempts to find some supportable morsel, some nugget, suggesting his abilities as president, you ALWAYS point to the same statement - where he claims that we should not rush to judgment, we should presume innocence, blah, blah. that ONE statement (made a couple of times in the spring) is IT. THAT is your saving grace for this man? oh - i forgot - the report that just a few weeks ago, he apparently made comments to a parents' weekend crowd filled with supportive statements of the team...of course, there is no documented evidence of this, no statement published, no article or letter to the community, etc.<br /><br />so here we are. six months after this ridiculous circus rolled into the lives of the duke/durham community and its alumni and parents, with the president and the bot saying NOTHING on record other than some bland statements of support, saying NOTHING on record AT ALL about the absurd (and most likely illegal) policy adopted and approved by the durham city police department unfairly targeting duke students, doing and saying NOTHING to promote the (very necessary) attitude that the alumni should have faith in his administration and handling of this case. forgive me - but, in my opinion - agree or not - the role of the president of a top-notch university is MUCH more than this. no leadership. no support expressed to the alumni. <br /><br />no one seems to be able to convince you to have higher expectations for a man of his position. you continue to pass the buck (hey, obviously the board agrees with him, right?), you continue to claim he can do nothing about his faculty, etc. it is sad. you then attempt to turn any and all criticism of the president and his administration into some kind of demonizing, witch-hunt by those who don't "know" or who are not "inside". these are the antics i would have expected from the 88, not free-thinking people concerned for the university's well-being. of course, if all you care about is dick broadhead's reputation, i can see it. <br /><br />i agree with many who have posted on this and other sites - duke is a GREAT university. it has wonderful faculty, top facilities, excellent athletics, etc. of course there are those that are jumping on the "bash-duke" bandwagon, but they are few (although outspoken). there are just as many problems at this university as at harvard or carolina - this is NOT an excuse, just a reality. the difference SHOULD be in how duke combats it, attempts to rectify it, and is perceived as doing so. THIS is where broadhead is supposed to be at his finest - where he is supposed to do step up and do the job we all HOPED he would. the terrible perception of the alumni (and the rest of the usa) of this travesty and duke, is, at least in part, HIS responsibility. so - stop passing the buck, stop defending a job he asked for and is getting paid to do, and stop fixing the blame on others - <b> START TELLING PRESIDENT BROADHEAD TO DO HIS JOB. be the man we hired, be a leader. </b>Daddyx4https://www.blogger.com/profile/17394221481565818109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-7268817949732403542006-11-15T09:18:00.000-05:002006-11-15T09:18:00.000-05:00Bill,
I hope you are not holding up Donna Shalala ...Bill,<br />I hope you are not holding up Donna Shalala as the model of the university president. Her endorsement of the football team, and the minimal punishment handed down for their very videotaped brawl, is NOT the reaction I would expect from a university president. Add to that the fact that the coach had to tell his players to stop carrying guns after one of them shot someone this summer (the person shot was allegedly robbing a teammate--but what are college football players doing with guns???) The murder of another another football player a few weeks ago is probably a separate incident, but this is not the university or the president to emulate! The Miami alumni should be ashamed and incensed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-39240082361859147352006-11-15T07:23:00.000-05:002006-11-15T07:23:00.000-05:00The poster claims that I am "uppity" and that I ha...The poster claims that I am "uppity" and that I have "money and clout." People who see the vehicles I drive are not going to be able to confuse me with someone who has "money and clout."<br /><br />The poster claims there have been "civil rights violations," but the only people whose rights have been violated -- in a legal sense -- have been the Duke Three.<br /><br />I think we need to remember that Nifong first declared these non-rapes to be a "hate crime," but then backed off. As K.C. has pointed out elsewhere, a "hate crime" would have brought in the FBI and other federal agencies, and then Nifong's tactics and the "evidence" he has used would have come under much more legal scrutiny.<br /><br />Nor do I think it is elitist and racist to say Duke is elite and NCCU is not. I have pointed out many times in my posts that the place where I work is not an elite university.<br /><br />Moreover, I received my doctorate from Auburn University, which while being a good public university, definitely does not fall into the "elite" category.<br /><br />The Chan Halls of the world choose to be resentful. But, more important, they also are choosing to spread a Big Lie, and there is no excuse for that. None.<br /><br />Bill AndersonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-85434666020502391062006-11-15T01:11:00.000-05:002006-11-15T01:11:00.000-05:00There is no question that the admissions departmen...There is no question that the admissions department is feeling the fall-out from the lack of support (if not outright hostility) for these young men among the Duke faculty and administration.<br /><br />For this past fall, 125 kids were admitted from the waiting list. This is UNHEARD OF at any elite school.<br /><br />Visits by prospective students are down 20%.Judithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13144985010119185332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-28845428426484224642006-11-14T23:41:00.001-05:002006-11-14T23:41:00.001-05:00To 8:59 pm;
this is exactly the kind of uppity, no...To 8:59 pm;<br />this is exactly the kind of uppity, nose-in-the-air talk that fuels racial tension. Apparently you are one of a few that has the 'right' to weigh in on these civil rights violations and Dick Brodhead only because your kiddies go to Duke. You got the money and clout to send your kiddies to Duke so only you and your other Duke 'moms' have the right of free speech here. The rest of us po folk better know our place here, right? <br /><br />People like you help create the Chan Halls of the world.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-28941738212437717432006-11-14T23:41:00.000-05:002006-11-14T23:41:00.000-05:00Actually, my oldest daughter could have gone to Du...Actually, my oldest daughter could have gone to Duke, as she was an all-state athlete in two sports and a very good student. She did not, and seeing the attitudes of many professors toward Duke students being laid bare, I am glad she did not go there.<br /><br />One poster claimed that I said Brodhead should call a press conference to declare the players "innocent." In all of my articles and postings, please point out where I said that. And if you cannot find anything to match what you claimed me to say, then don't put words in my mouth.<br /><br />Now, I have made statements like "Brodhead should be sent back to the minors" and the like, but I do not think anyone can praise his wishy-washy performance. Compare Brodhead to Donna Shalala after the Miami brawl on television. Even though Shalala has a feminist reputation, does anyone think she would be bowing and scraping to Nifong as has Brodhead?<br /><br />The problem with Brodhead and many of his kind is what Shelby Steele calls "white guilt." Brodhead seems to be someone who takes all the leftist drivel to heart and really does feel guilty that Duke University is an elite institution and that North Carolina Central is not.<br /><br />Brodhead, I believe, has made the situation worse with his inaction. Granted, I think he most likely is a very nice person, but sometimes very nice people do not handle crises very well.<br /><br />Bill AndersonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-87846761541164926742006-11-14T23:00:00.000-05:002006-11-14T23:00:00.000-05:00To the 10.31:
I suspect, as you say, that the 88 ...To the 10.31:<br /><br />I suspect, as you say, that the 88 "have the full support of the president, the board of trustees."<br /><br />But Duke officials, in their public statements, have gone out of their way to deny this is so. If you have inside information on this issue, please share it; it would be significant.kcjohnson9https://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-86293294490585669372006-11-14T22:31:00.000-05:002006-11-14T22:31:00.000-05:00...and the 88 have the full support of the preside......and the 88 have the full support of the president, the board of trustees, and given the number of distinguished chairs within the group, obviously the most coveted professional acknowledgment of their research and scholarship (hmmm, might professional envy be a reason for some who post to this page to focus their ire in the direction of the 88?). It seems those who just can't imagine why this group hasn't been condemned or "reprimanded" by the president or trustees might not want to consider that it is because they are really smart, really well respected, and highly valued faculty at Duke. Too bad you all have no influence at all, whatsoever, or in any forum that matters. But please do continue to post here--because this space is the only place where your comments might matter. I am grateful that my child has the opportunity to be taught by these extraordinary faculty. And for those of you who could not imagine sending your children to Duke, whew! narrow escape. Please, do us Duke parents a favor. Keep them home. Send them to "Professor" Anderson--but please keep encouraging them away from our campus. Like the previous post, I bet they would not make the cut for Duke anyway. Wishful thinking people. You only wish you could turn Duke down. If your children are at all like their parents--not a snowball's chance is the phrase.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-40332835200919450892006-11-14T21:58:00.000-05:002006-11-14T21:58:00.000-05:00As I noted previously, in the more than 100,000 wo...As I noted previously, in the more than 100,000 words I've written on this blog, I not once have said that Brodhead should call "a press conference to declare that the LAX players are not guilty of rape and that the charges against them should be dismissed immediately."<br /><br />I have repeatedly said that I do not believe any college president can or should remain silent if local authorities establish a "separate-but-equal" system of justice whereby an institution's students are treated according to procedures different from the general population.<br /><br />It's quite clear that Brodhead has the vociferous support of Board of Trustees chairman Bob Steel. It's somewhat less clear how deep Brodhead's support is among the BOT.kcjohnson9https://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-30282708819998993232006-11-14T20:59:00.000-05:002006-11-14T20:59:00.000-05:00To Another Duke Mom and 5:55 PM,
Thank you for br...To Another Duke Mom and 5:55 PM,<br /><br />Thank you for bringing some sanity to this discussion. One of the problems I have with this web site is that many of the people who post comments here seem to have no connection to Duke or seem to have only a superficial understanding of the facts. Yet, for some reason, they seem to feel entitled to make the most vile and insulting comments about Duke and Brodhead, most of which I regard as complete drivel. Also, KC and some of the more fanatical members of his audience seem to think that Brodhead should be calling a press conference to declare that the LAX players are not guilty of rape and that the charges against them should be dismissed immediately. So what. That is their opinion. Brodhead obviously has good reasons for doing what he is doing, and since the trustees of Duke have made absolutely no criticisms of Brodhead, it is obvious that they agree with him. By the way, I would appreciate it if the people who post comments on this web site telling us that their kid has crossed Duke off their list or that they would never allow their kid to go to Duke would take a hike. These are basically just arrogant and condescending comments by people who are compensating for feelings of insecurity by telling all of us how great their kids are. I really could not care less whether your kid goes to Duke or not. I suspect that many of these kids never would have gotten into Duke in any event.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-74017720571703273342006-11-14T20:05:00.000-05:002006-11-14T20:05:00.000-05:0010:01 AM, you do not know squat about Dick Brodhea...10:01 AM, you do not know squat about Dick Brodhead, and you are offering what basically amounts to a shallow and one-dimensional analysis of his presidency at Duke. I think a lot of garbage gets posted on this web site by people like you who for some reason are all hot about the LAX case even though you have no connection to Duke and who then have the gall to start urging the trustees to get rid of someone you know nothing about. And don't tell me you know all you need to know because that just confirms what I am saying about your shallow and one-dimensional analysis.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-26174371309704936302006-11-14T18:58:00.000-05:002006-11-14T18:58:00.000-05:005:55
I have one child who will be going to colleg...5:55<br /><br />I have one child who will be going to college next year. I have two children after her who will be going to college. They will not be attending Duke. The faculty and administration of Duke and not the lacrosse team and not the Duke students in general have sullied Duke's reputation.<br /><br />They have an uncle who is a Duke alumni. We have friend who are Duke alumni. In the past I was jealous of them for attending Duke since I had attended a state school. I'm not anymore. When I think of Duke now I think of a corrupt institution that does not have values. If there really had been a rape, I would not think any less of Duke. In my mind it would have only reflected on those students who had participated in the rape. That there was not a rape, reveals Duke to be only a self serving institution that looked after an agenda rather than it's students. These are not the values I want my children to be learning. These are not the people I want to be teaching my children. I feel sorry for Duke alumni because from now on when people here that you graduated from Duke they will think about how their school treated their students and not just about the schools scholarship and athletics.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com