tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post7346979966741661996..comments2024-02-24T05:19:10.949-05:00Comments on Durham-in-Wonderland: Top 32 Countdown, IIIkcjohnson9http://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comBlogger106125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-57405285362999478852007-09-21T16:36:00.000-04:002007-09-21T16:36:00.000-04:00Anyone who has been following the Duke case should...Anyone who has been following the Duke case should know a few things by now about interracial conflicts:<BR/><BR/>(1) The media <B>never</B> is biased against "the black side of the story".<BR/><BR/>(2) The police are <B>never</B> biased against "the black side of the story".<BR/><BR/>(3) The justice system is <B>never</B> against "the black side of the story".<BR/><BR/><I>RD says .... If we are going to charge the black kids with attempted murder (or assault), then file similar charges against the "white man" who "then jumped in front of the woman, and a fight started." (from the towntalk link).<BR/></I><BR/><BR/>Situation one: in a school lunchroom a white student is attacked from behind and is knocked unconscious by a blow to the back of his head. His attackers then repeatedly kick his helpless and prostrate body and head.<BR/><BR/>Situation two: five black students show up uninvited to an invitation only party and when asked to leave, refuse to do so. When a "white man" steps in (did he really "jump in", or is that a biased word the media used?), a fight breaks out. Police come and the white man is arrested. [Note: as a legal matter the blacks were guilty of criminal trespass as soon as they refused a request to leave].<BR/><BR/>RD, do yourself a favor and try reversing the races in each of these situations: Imagine that six ugly rednecks had beat a black honor student (aren't they all honor students in the media -- even CGM?) to unconsciousness in the lunchroom and then kicked the black's helpless form the way they normally kick kittens and other living things. Or imagine how you felt watching the Rodney King beating and remember that King was conscious and kept trying to get up contrary to police orders.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Now imagine that a group of rednecks, no doubt with lynching on their so-called minds, shows up at a party and when the black hostess tells them to leave, they refuse (while making leering eyeballs at her in rememberance of when their granddaddies raped her grandmother after lynching her grandfather). They should be charged with a hate-crime right then and there, don't you think?<BR/><BR/>As far as the small-town Southern police go, remember how the Duke case got started: Kim Roberts called 911 and said she was driving/walking and someone yelled "nigger". How long did it take police to show up? TWO MINUTES. Think about that: She wasn't reporting a murder, or a rape, or an assault, or even a purse-snatching. She wasn't saying that she was in any danger at all or in fear of any danger. All she did was report (falsely) the use of a "WORD". And the small-town police showed up in TWO MINUTES! That's how sensitized the police are to any possible affront to black sensitivities.<BR/><BR/>I'd write more, but I'm getting distracted by r/l here.<BR/><BR/>R.R. HamiltonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-31559089490381735012007-09-21T16:14:00.000-04:002007-09-21T16:14:00.000-04:00RD sez: "If some white kid wants to pull a gun on ...RD sez: <BR/><BR/>"If some white kid wants to pull a gun on someone, let's not charge the black kid with theft for taking the gun away."<BR/><BR/>My opinion (and only that) is that if there are ever any clearly documented injustices from Jena, they won't be in the charges against black kids who kicked an unconscious guy in the head, they'll be in the <B>lack</B> of charges against white wrongdoers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-3748383480805563282007-09-21T14:05:00.000-04:002007-09-21T14:05:00.000-04:00RRH - The article you linked to is subtly biased i...RRH - <BR/><BR/>The article you linked to is subtly biased in its presentation of the "facts."<BR/><BR/>If we are going to charge the black kids with attempted murder (or assault), then file similar charges against the "white man" who "then jumped in front of the woman, and a fight started." (from the towntalk link).<BR/><BR/>Let's also charge the kids who hung the nooses for federal hate crimes, since "as the FBI said (during the forum) hanging a noose under the circumstances these nooses were hung is a hate crime,"<BR/><BR/>If some white kid wants to pull a gun on someone, let's not charge the black kid with theft for taking the gun away. <BR/><BR/>"Although there were reports of the black students calling the police, there was no report from either the Sheriff's Office or Police Department." Given all we've learned over the past 18 months, I don't trust these small-town police in a town that characterizes the hate crime as a prank, and engages in what appears to be a very unequal application of the law.<BR/><BR/>And to previous posters that want to defer to prosecutorial discrestion, sorry but the conviction was overturned. The prosecutor doesn't have the discretion to over-charge these black juveniles and then try them as adults.<BR/><BR/>In the linked article, the US Attorney didn't say there wasn't race-based selective prosecution, but only that it "is hard to prove" because you to prove intent beyond a reasonable doubt. <BR/><BR/>The article also didn't mention how many witnesses were called for the defense (other reports are that no witnesses were called), or if an all white jury convicted (other reports are that it was an all white jury).<BR/><BR/>In my opinion, this case has a stench that should be raising red flags to anybody that has been following the Duke case.<BR/><BR/>-RDAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-45117038943008357932007-09-21T12:33:00.000-04:002007-09-21T12:33:00.000-04:00Anonymous said... The damage against the white guy...<I><BR/>Anonymous said... <BR/>The damage against the white guy so irrevelant, the charges were dropped to a reduced degree. Read the Halloween story from Long Beach last year, and see what beaten means.<BR/><BR/>9/21/07 11:47 AM<BR/></I><BR/><BR/>In an attempted murder case, the "damage" is <B>always irrelevant</B>: If you shoot a gun at someone and you miss, how much "damage" did the victim suffer? Should the offense be reduced to "unlawful discharge of a firearm" because the victim "suffered no damage"? Of course not. So let's quit pretending that the "amount of harm" has anything to do with the case. <BR/><BR/>The reason the DA reduced the charge from "attempted murder" to "aggravated second degree battery" is because he thought he might have difficulty proving <B>the intent to murder of the perpetrator</B>. Under the facts of the case, "aggravated second-degree battery" was (and remains) a slam-dunk.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-51931809183833955012007-09-21T11:47:00.000-04:002007-09-21T11:47:00.000-04:00The damage against the white guy so irrevelant, th...The damage against the white guy so irrevelant, the charges were dropped to a reduced degree. Read the Halloween story from Long Beach last year, and see what beaten means.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-61792269217712696582007-09-21T11:17:00.000-04:002007-09-21T11:17:00.000-04:00Anonymous said... You are right, and I apologize t...<I>Anonymous said... <BR/>You are right, and I apologize to RRH<BR/></I><BR/><BR/>RD, no problem; please don't give it another thought.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-3119024058265957642007-09-21T10:24:00.000-04:002007-09-21T10:24:00.000-04:00The "amount of damage" is completely irrelevant to...The "amount of damage" is completely irrelevant to a charge of attempted murder, isn't it? But the attempted murder charge is a diversion anyway: Although the facts did fit a charge of attempted murder, they better fit a charge of "aggravated second-degree battery", which is what the charge was reduced to.<BR/><BR/>Something that no one has commented on is how when law enforcement in the bluest of blue states, like NYC and LA, go "wilding" on helpless black defendants -- shooting or beating them -- they actually get <B>less criticism</B> than red state justice systems that do the right thing to genuine black criminals.<BR/><BR/>For blue-staters, it seems for blacks to beat up redneck kids is the civil right of the new millenium. To resist or complain is racist.<BR/><BR/>Btw, for anyone interested in the <B>facts</B> of the Jena case, instead of just redneck-bashing, go <A HREF="http://www.thetowntalk.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/99999999/NEWS/399990004" REL="nofollow">here</A>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-89002710204111196722007-09-21T10:23:00.000-04:002007-09-21T10:23:00.000-04:00You guys ever see UFC? Takes a lot of blows to ev...You guys ever see UFC? Takes a lot of blows to even disable someone. Some people can take a punch - (or in the case of the Jena 6, a kick to the head.)<BR/><BR/>Having seen people kicked in the head in my neighborhood while they're on the ground, and watching them get up apparently unharmed, I think you folks who minimize the attack on the student are full of crap.<BR/><BR/>The student who was charged with the worst offense is apparently a career criminal. Look at his record, and then open your lips.<BR/><BR/>Until then, STFU about Jena. This is about Nifong and the City of Duhh and three INNOCENT young men, who committed NO CRIME (unlike the Jena 6.)<BR/><BR/>Racialist.machttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14248016116043347912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-53170969224165061572007-09-21T10:21:00.001-04:002007-09-21T10:21:00.001-04:00Re: Jena 6:The severity of injuries is irrelevant ...Re: Jena 6:<BR/><BR/>The severity of injuries is irrelevant and although I do not know the law, my sense is that intent is all important.<BR/><BR/>If you take out a gun that you think is loaded (when in fact it is empty) and point it at someone's head and pull the trigger intending to kill them, you may be guilty of attempted murder ... even though noone was hurt. (For all the lawyers...is this true?)<BR/><BR/>If correct, then all the shouting about the Jena six is a bunch of blather. Only a jury can sort out the question of intent, after hearing the facts.<BR/><BR/>It is somewhat frightening that so many people think that the law should look at results only when evaluating a criminal act.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-52359024463717843292007-09-21T10:21:00.000-04:002007-09-21T10:21:00.000-04:00You are right, and I apologize to RRH. The "racis...You are right, and I apologize to RRH. The "racist" comment was meant to parallel the first line from the quoted portion of RRH's post, but it was clumsily done, and I am sorry.<BR/><BR/>One thing that bothers me in the Duke case is what would have happened if the accused players had not been of such good character, or if Mangum, Nifong, the DNA lab and/or the G88 had been less inept. The defense attorneys have said they were lucky. In Jena we have a case where perhaps the facts are not as clear cut, but a grave injustice may be happening nonetheless.<BR/><BR/>-RDAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-29202373788263404822007-09-21T09:46:00.000-04:002007-09-21T09:46:00.000-04:00Has anyone found any good source information about...Has anyone found any good source information about this Jena6 thing. All I am seeing is quotes by demonstrators and locals, which are plainly not unbiased.<BR/><BR/>By the way, a person who has a gun fired at them may walk away uninjured. But that doesn't mean the person firing the gun cannot be rightfully charged with attempted murder, does it?<BR/><BR/>Until I see some better information on all of this, I am withholding judgement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-13879944259346421942007-09-21T01:40:00.000-04:002007-09-21T01:40:00.000-04:00Calling people racist is so out of line. Does not ...Calling people racist is so out of line. Does not help the debate or advance ideas. I did not see either fight. With years of experience in the ED, I know that when a client is released after two hours, they are not that hurt. He right eye was swollen, but not unexpected in a punch up. Going to the game that night is another indicator of minimal damage from the fight.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-20643534172327857392007-09-21T00:43:00.000-04:002007-09-21T00:43:00.000-04:00RRH said: "Notice how the racist newspaper tries ...RRH said: <BR/><BR/>"Notice how the racist newspaper tries to equate "white students taking part in fights" with six black students who attacked without warning and knocked out a white student from behind and then began playing "Bend It Like Beckham" with the head the unconscious boy. If the newspaper can point to any similar crime by white students that was punished any differently, let it do so. It cannot."<BR/><BR/>I'm sorry, but unless you were a witness to both fights, you are a racist.<BR/><BR/>Do you know how the white student took part in the fight? I don't, but I did read that one of the black kids had a bottle broken over his head. Do you know that the six kids played "bend it like Bekham" with the kid? I don't know, but I did read the assaulted kid did not require hospital care, and went to a social function that evening. The kid that was convicted of assault was a football star. I would guess he was capable of doing serious damage. And I don't trust a DA who would file attempted murder charges in this case. <BR/><BR/>I'm not condoning what either side did, and I'm not prepared to take sides, but I'm sure not going to make the assumptions you make.<BR/><BR/>I wish we could get KC to pass through Jena on his way to the middle east.<BR/><BR/>-RDAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-55879896831962762252007-09-21T00:13:00.000-04:002007-09-21T00:13:00.000-04:00RRH @ 2:18I agree.RRH @ 2:18<BR/><BR/>I agree.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-57296610252798469632007-09-21T00:01:00.000-04:002007-09-21T00:01:00.000-04:00"I have never understood why any prosecutor would ..."I have never understood why any prosecutor would try to gain an advantage at trial by concealing evidence from the defendant. After all, if the information in question is damaging to the State's case, then the defendant is clearly entitled to have it; if it is not damaging to the State's case, why should it matter if he gets it? That is why I was giving open file discovery in all my cases - and encouraging others to do likewise - more than twenty years before our legislature, in response to the abuse of prosecutorial discretion, required it in all criminal cases. And that is why I have never had a conviction overturned for violating a defendant's right to discover the State's case against him." Mike Nifong for DA web site<BR/><BR/>http://web.archive.org/web/20060613071726/http://mikenifongda.com/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-90841349949806740122007-09-20T23:43:00.000-04:002007-09-20T23:43:00.000-04:00Off Topic - Dan Rather - a guy I have always had a...Off Topic - Dan Rather - a guy I have always had a lot of respect for in the past, was so sad and pathetic on Larry King tonight. Hard for everyone but when it is time to go-it is time to go.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-37868224405588692022007-09-20T23:38:00.000-04:002007-09-20T23:38:00.000-04:00Considering all the trouble people are having find...Considering all the trouble people are having finding UPI at their local booksellers, I'm now feeling pretty lucky that I got mine on the first try. <BR/><BR/>Ok, so I have 11 days to critique the book? I'm a slow-reader ....<BR/><BR/>RRHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-67251642966605906392007-09-20T23:20:00.000-04:002007-09-20T23:20:00.000-04:00RRH - Delegate? Did you forget KC is out of here i...RRH - Delegate? Did you forget KC is out of here in eleven days?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-34750702613177224342007-09-20T22:31:00.000-04:002007-09-20T22:31:00.000-04:00Slightly off track,Barnes & Noble's online site a...Slightly off track,<BR/><BR/>Barnes & Noble's online site appears to have "Until Proven Innocent" in stock now. So if you need a copy, go to:<BR/><BR/>http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?z=y&EAN=9780312369125&itm=1Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-88140000809451967552007-09-20T21:36:00.000-04:002007-09-20T21:36:00.000-04:00Of interest - at VC today, Tortmaster has commente...Of interest - at <A HREF="http://volokh.powerblogs.com/posts/1190301055.shtml" REL="nofollow">VC</A> today, Tortmaster has commented in two posts concerning Tortmaster's analysis of N.C. law re: defamation and possible "slam dunk" cases against some of the actors, including HS, NYT, N&O, and lo and behold, Wendy Murphy:<BR/><BR/><I>4. Wendy Murphy. K.C. Johnson has quoted Wendy Murphy on this case. One of her quotes is posted on his list of the worst of the hoax. For that quote alone, she should be bankrupted. <BR/><BR/>These are my opinions only. MOO! Gregory<BR/>9.20.2007 6:13pm</I><BR/><BR/>J.P., hoping link code will take from pasted Word.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-91461575234852177912007-09-20T21:00:00.000-04:002007-09-20T21:00:00.000-04:00Yes, yes he is.Chalmers' daughter got special trea...Yes, yes he is.<BR/><BR/>Chalmers' daughter got special treatment, no doubt due to her sex, color and class. Yet another case of privilege in NC.<BR/><BR/>Durham better make a settlement deal - discovery will be more expensive.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-23840598631034271962007-09-20T20:49:00.000-04:002007-09-20T20:49:00.000-04:00Of course $1,250,000 over five years can be covere...Of course $1,250,000 over five years can be covered by admitting five more students and providing them fnancial aid packages which are subsidized by taxpayers, alumni, and donors.<BR/><BR/>It would not surprise me if they allowed five more into the AAAs program to cover the committment.<BR/><BR/>What a guy that Brodhead! <BR/><BR/>I don't think I could trust a decision by him on where to eat lunch.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-49061783002645961372007-09-20T20:46:00.000-04:002007-09-20T20:46:00.000-04:00Anonymous 9:56 said..."This is the sort of stunnin...Anonymous 9:56 said...<BR/><BR/><I>"This is the sort of stunning analysis I'd expect to hear from the blue-haired lady slapping ladlefuls of tuna salad onto cafeteria plates. Not on national television."</I><BR/><BR/>There's no need to insult the blue-haired ladies working cafeterias here...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-28596436787610737092007-09-20T20:34:00.000-04:002007-09-20T20:34:00.000-04:00"Mend your speech a little, lest it may mar your f..."Mend your speech a little, lest it may mar your fortunes." - Wm. Shakespeare, King Lear<BR/><BR/>Loads more Western Civ and a lot less AAAs and Womens Studies would do these people some good.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-3049048139840262092007-09-20T20:00:00.000-04:002007-09-20T20:00:00.000-04:00Comment moderation only works when there's a moder...Comment moderation only works when there's a moderator about. KC, can you delegate this authority to someone?<BR/><BR/>RRHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com