tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post7817076772375954023..comments2024-02-24T05:19:10.949-05:00Comments on Durham-in-Wonderland: Brodhead, Finallykcjohnson9http://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-72666665678166019942007-01-17T03:46:00.000-05:002007-01-17T03:46:00.000-05:00boycott dukeboycott dukeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-34073550577876294002006-12-24T20:24:00.000-05:002006-12-24T20:24:00.000-05:00It is about time Brodhead grew a spine and stood u...It is about time Brodhead grew a spine and stood up for his students. However, it is easy to do it now. I would have much more respect for him had he not taken the popular course and actually acted as he stated(sometimes) that they are innocent until proven guilty. Had he really believed that he would not have cancelled the season and forced the coach to resign after receiving an email based on the quote from a movie on the syllabus of 3 classes at Duke. Also note that he acted not long after meeting with the four captains telling them that he believed them. Time to eat crow Mr. Brodhead. It is not easy but it is time. A public apology to these 3(and really the entire lacrosse team) is due. Don't just release a statement now that Nifong should step aside. Folks have been urging you to do that for too long for you now to put out a statement when it is easy. Get in front of the camera like you did before. Make you apology to them public and support your students. Speaking of getting in front of the camera. Steel seemed pretty eager to show his face early on. We have not heard anything from him in the last couple of days. NOTICABLE SILENCE!!! It is time for Bob Steel to apologize to these kids and to take a stand against Nifong. Get the board on a conference call and make it happen. Admit the mistakes you made in the past. Clearly you and John Mack felt that the lacrosse team was expendable. That is sure how you and the administration treated the students. (It is widely known that John Mack was one of the early trustees to push for disbanding the lacrosse program permanently.) <br /><br />When all of these charges are dropped and the world knows how poorly you handled the situation, it is going to be too late for "Conversations with Duke" around the country. It is going to be too late to say I'm sorry. No wonder early decision applications are down. The administration would love to think that it is b/c parents are afraid to send their kids to Duke b/c they might get raped by a lacrosse player or have a couple beers now and again. Clearly parents are concerned about how this school treats their students and question the environment they would encounter should a situation occur in the future of any magnitude. <br /><br />Time to step up Brodhead and Steel. (Well, any good man would have done it in march or April...any half-man in july/august....but let's give you a shot a keeping some sense of honor and take a stand and admit your wrongdoings.) <br /><br />I MEAN STEEL FOUGHT SO HARD TO KEEP THE CHAIR WHEN HE TOOK THE TREASURY POST. SHOW US WHY! YOU CURRENT SILENCE IS DEAFENING!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-62123976164150134702006-12-24T06:32:00.000-05:002006-12-24T06:32:00.000-05:00The accuser is a liar. Nifong is a liar. Brodhead ...The accuser is a liar. Nifong is a liar. Brodhead is a liar. The media is a liar. The LAW is a liar.<br /><br />Who ya gonna believe next time?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-34658250365022772692006-12-23T23:16:00.000-05:002006-12-23T23:16:00.000-05:00Mike, are you hiding on this post? Or is it Dick? ...Mike, are you hiding on this post? Or is it Dick? Ignore the 5:32 and the rest of the drivel - it is the same person and I think it is Mike.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-29033915588846649282006-12-23T21:43:00.000-05:002006-12-23T21:43:00.000-05:00I notice that Bill Anderson is also good at shooti...I notice that Bill Anderson is also good at shooting his mouth off with biased personal opinions masquerading as facts, but when someone calls on him to provide evidence to support his biased opinions, he just runs and hides.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-63518376214485778332006-12-23T21:38:00.000-05:002006-12-23T21:38:00.000-05:00To JC: I see that you are good at shooting your m...To JC: I see that you are good at shooting your mouth off, but you do not seem to be too good at responding to the question posed by the 2:42 PM commenter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-89100395971130430702006-12-23T16:15:00.000-05:002006-12-23T16:15:00.000-05:00Brodhead knows that Nifong is now on the ropes and...Brodhead knows that Nifong is now on the ropes and perhaps his remarks will be the knockout punch. They are six months too late and appear now to be simply opportunistic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-81439211775679271442006-12-23T14:42:00.000-05:002006-12-23T14:42:00.000-05:00To JC:
Please provide evidence to support your po...To JC:<br /><br />Please provide evidence to support your position that what is really hurting Duke is a weak president rather than the ugly racist behavior of the LAX players.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-48800320480440611222006-12-23T12:02:00.000-05:002006-12-23T12:02:00.000-05:0011:24--THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID--YES, THE SLURS MATT...11:24--THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID--YES, THE SLURS MATTER<br /><br />BUT WHEN U EXAMINE WHAT'S REALLY HURTING DUKe's reputation, it's:<br />--academic welfare<br />--weak president<br />--proximity to demagogic "community" (durham)<br /><br />jcAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-75504568708874072672006-12-23T11:27:00.000-05:002006-12-23T11:27:00.000-05:00I guess your are right about Dean Sue - they all n...I guess your are right about Dean Sue - they all need to be fired and BOT resign.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-41535024305429927552006-12-23T11:24:00.000-05:002006-12-23T11:24:00.000-05:00To JC:
Brilliant post. There is certainly no rea...To JC:<br /><br />Brilliant post. There is certainly no reason to blame the LAX players for making loud racist comments because everybody does it. And of course the fact that everybody does it also constitutes powerful proof that their loud racist comments, which were broadcast all over the country by the national media, did nothing to hurt the reputation of Duke. The only thing that hurt the reputation of Duke was Brodhead. Good point.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-34136385167450169902006-12-23T11:18:00.000-05:002006-12-23T11:18:00.000-05:00" thank your grandpa" barely makes the racial rema..." thank your grandpa" barely makes the racial remark meter. The hip -hop artist are far better at insulting their own people and women. You can tell these boys do not know how to deliver a racial taunt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-4247362708888980932006-12-23T11:09:00.000-05:002006-12-23T11:09:00.000-05:00To Wayne Fontes:
As Bill Anderson and KC both kno...To Wayne Fontes:<br /><br />As Bill Anderson and KC both know very well, there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever to indicate that Brodhead had anything to do with that episode. In fact, from everything I have read about this case, it appears that the decision to have Coach Pressler tell the players that they should not hire lawyers or tell their parents what was going on was made by Dean Sue Wasiolek without the knowledge or consent of Brodhead. You should note that this action does not necessarily reflect any kind of evil motives on the part of the university. For example, since this action was taken in the very early days of the case, it may simply have been based on the idea that the players were innocent and had nothing to hide and thus did not need lawyers, which after all is the very same basis on which the LAX captains had already given extensive statements to the police without lawyers being present. Also, you should note that there is no indication that Pressler ever objected to this, and to my knowledge, this action never resulted in any prejudice to the players because their parents were informed before anything happened. I am not suggesting that this last point means that the initial decision by Wasiolek was a good one but simply that it serves to put the whole episode into perspective. So if you want to fire someone over this episode, I guess we should fire Sue Wasiolek.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-60775211013758147262006-12-23T01:34:00.000-05:002006-12-23T01:34:00.000-05:00To anonymous Broadhead apologist
How about the fa...To anonymous Broadhead apologist<br /><br />How about the fact the Duke administration advised the lax players not to get lawyers or tell their parents when they were facing rape charges. Is that the kind of an adminstration you would want in charge of your children.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-59938452530053107542006-12-23T00:54:00.000-05:002006-12-23T00:54:00.000-05:0011:34--these so-called "racist" remarks to which u...11:34--these so-called "racist" remarks to which u refer occur every day in US--antiblack, antiwhite--it doesn't matter<br /><br />what matters is that a low IQ felonious whore, combined with a demagogic group of black thugs and a corrupt prosecutor, attempted to ruin the lives of nonwhores<br /><br />brodhead sided with the academic welfare brigade, the whore, and nifong<br /><br />now come dah pain<br /><br />brodhead will b history<br /><br />jcAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-76849885843977825812006-12-23T00:14:00.000-05:002006-12-23T00:14:00.000-05:00Among the Gang of 88 are two historians, William C...Among the Gang of 88 are two historians, William Chafe and Peter Wood. <br /><br />What do we know about these two?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-31895266026223573142006-12-22T23:44:00.000-05:002006-12-22T23:44:00.000-05:00To 11:06 PM:
Why would Brodhead be held responsib...To 11:06 PM:<br /><br />Why would Brodhead be held responsible for a decline in the number of applications to Duke? If there is a decline, it will undoubtedly be due to the fact that the ugly behavior of the lacrosse players has made it appear that the students at Duke are a bunch of arrogrant racist brats who are consorting with strippers and prostitutes and getting themselves into legal trouble when they should be studying or playing their sport or doing something productive. This image was reinforced by the comments of the prosecutor at the beginning of the case, by the long drawn out negative national media coverage of the case, and by the public comments of Houston Baker, who talked about the culture of racism and white athletic privilege at Duke. All of this delivered a big hit to the reputation of Duke, but none of it had anything to do with Brodhead. It all started with the ugly behavior of the lacrosse players.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-42165570847805532152006-12-22T23:35:00.000-05:002006-12-22T23:35:00.000-05:00The time has come for the blogosphere to take a VE...The time has come for the blogosphere to take a VERY close look at the writings of the Gang of 88. Given that so many of these people are such lightweights, chances are very good that another Ward Churchill scandal is just waiting to see the light.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-28801779218274067612006-12-22T23:34:00.000-05:002006-12-22T23:34:00.000-05:00To Bill:
You continue to avoid the question and o...To Bill:<br /><br />You continue to avoid the question and offer responses which are disingenuous. The fact that the three indicted players may not be the ones who made the racist comments does not mean that there was no ugly racist behavior at the party. The truth is that there was ugly racist behavior and anyone who is being honest about the case would acknowledge this. Also, the fact that none of the LAX players lied and that arguably the DA and the group of 88 did does not prove that the negative fall out to Duke is due to what you refer to as the cowardice of Brodhead. The truth is that there is absolutely no evidence at all to support your statement about Brodhead. You are just trying to spin this story in a way which deflects criticism from the players. As long as you continue down this path, you are being intellectually dishonest, and no amount of huffing and puffing or dodging the question will change that fact.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-90061418623457519332006-12-22T23:08:00.000-05:002006-12-22T23:08:00.000-05:00Like many private "national" universities, Duke is...Like many private "national" universities, Duke is over-priced, and over-rated.<br /><br />I can't imagine paying $40k per year to send my kid to a school with such little dignity, character, grace in its administration and faculty.<br /><br />I could justify it if it were a public university, at a tenth of the cost, but the hell if I'd pay top dollar for this crap.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-80254602165998340022006-12-22T23:06:00.000-05:002006-12-22T23:06:00.000-05:0010:53
The ugly "fallout" is the plummeting futur...10:53<br /><br />The ugly "fallout" is the plummeting future enrollment rate of high quality male students to Duke. You gonna blame that on the LAX students' wild and raucous party? <br /><br />All your whining is not going to save Brodhead. He knows he is effed if Duke loses stature because of the way he has performed his job. You know that too, thats why youre here shilling for him. But all his silly alumni get-togethers are for naught. The negative publicity and bitter reactions that will be coming from the end game in this hoax will destroy him. And you too, alas.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-88030763767765090052006-12-22T22:56:00.001-05:002006-12-22T22:56:00.001-05:00Please explain the "ugly racist behavior of the pl...Please explain the "ugly racist behavior of the players." Was it Reade, David, or Collin? None of them made the cotton shirt comment.<br /><br />Call it huffing an puffing, but which lacrosse player lied? Can you say the same about the DA or the Gang of 88?<br /><br />I see you are still "anonymous." Why are you so afraid to identify yourself?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-4879980068220418432006-12-22T22:56:00.000-05:002006-12-22T22:56:00.000-05:00To Wave Maker:
Is Wave Maker your correct legal n...To Wave Maker:<br /><br />Is Wave Maker your correct legal name, or do you just like to come to these blogs and attack people anonymously?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-75163600266989548032006-12-22T22:53:00.000-05:002006-12-22T22:53:00.000-05:00To Bill:
In your last comment, you did a nice job...To Bill:<br /><br />In your last comment, you did a nice job of huffing and puffing, but I notice that you did not answer the question. The question was would you please provide us with some evidence to support your repeated statements that the negative fall out to Duke from the LAX case is due to what you refer to as the cowardice of Brodhead and not to the ugly racist behavior of the players. The truth is that your statements about Brodhead constitute nothing but your own personal opinion, they are not supported by any evidence whatsoever, and this explains why you would not answer the question. You are presenting your opinion as if it constitutes an incontrovertible fact because you want to spin this story in a way which deflects criticism from the LAX players. As long as you continue to distort the facts in this way, then you are intellectually dishonest and your statements about the case are completely worthless.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-26533404420045425662006-12-22T22:44:00.000-05:002006-12-22T22:44:00.000-05:00To the Duke alum who asked...
http://www.adukecon...To the Duke alum who asked...<br /><br />http://www.adukeconversation.com/<br /><br />You can bet I'll be at the one near meAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com