tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post817450759770223168..comments2024-02-24T05:19:10.949-05:00Comments on Durham-in-Wonderland: Hardin's Choiceskcjohnson9http://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comBlogger63125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-79530349767525716342008-04-21T09:25:00.000-04:002008-04-21T09:25:00.000-04:00I have a more personal thing against Tracey Cline....I have a more personal thing against Tracey Cline. She is corrupt and should NEVER NEVER NEVER be made DA of Durham County. In one trial, she tried, she allowed the "victim" to change her story several times, the last time on the DAY OF THE TRIAL. She also interrogated a witness for the defense about the WITNESS, for TWO WHOLE DAYS. Mind you the witness was not on trial and in no way should have been tried. Please, don't vote for this corrupt woman. She has no place in our justice system!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-48527288065859820962007-06-23T11:40:00.000-04:002007-06-23T11:40:00.000-04:00Some good posts here today. Have grave concerns a...Some good posts here today. Have grave concerns as well about stopping with Nifong, and Hardin doing much of anything with the periphery involved. But as I was reading, every time "due process" came up, I was thinking perhaps we should start calling it "Duke Process". :)bravefacarihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09942372668280344157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-31306446573095450882007-06-22T15:05:00.000-04:002007-06-22T15:05:00.000-04:00This information about Ms Cline may explain why Ni...This information about Ms Cline may explain why Nifong used the 1st person plural in his March 27 lamet .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-10467749695398999552007-06-22T14:46:00.000-04:002007-06-22T14:46:00.000-04:00Mr. Hardin was once a duke student. He was also a...Mr. Hardin was once a duke student. He was also an athlete. He is highly regarded by people who have known him over the years as a person who is smart, ethical and also realistic.<BR/><BR/>It is unrealistic to suppose he is going to greatly change the DA's office or its staff over a few weeks as an interim appointment. His charge is rather to hold it together, keeping in mind that there are cases involving serious crimes that are underway. But in this interim, I think the office will perform in a fully ethical manner, insofar as Hardin has anything to do with it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-81319725739042862192007-06-22T13:42:00.000-04:002007-06-22T13:42:00.000-04:00The "no drop policy" coupled with Nifong's wierd i...The "no drop policy" coupled with Nifong's wierd insistance that if any accuser still "believes" he is obligated to take it to trial, ignore exculpatory evidence, and give the "accusing victim" her right to a Jury is the mindset that sent him on the road to perdition.<BR/><BR/>The State Bar, and the American Bar Association still appear to have considerable cleanup and reform to do based on the Lacrosse case.<BR/><BR/>Is the "no drop policy" tenable? Is it in keeping with legal ethics to "punish" people with ensnarement in the legal system and horrendous costs if prosecution knows they lack evidence to convict but still want to make certain defendents "pay" in other ways?<BR/><BR/>Is the Nifong mentality of "always believe the rape accuser" and honor her "right" to go to trial in any way in keeping with American Jurisprudence?<BR/><BR/>Can the State and national Bar even learn from and teach off what the Bar Chairman Williamson called "a complete fiasco" without a full understanding of the dynamics and other parties role besides Nifong? An understanding that can only be gained with a full, independent investigation?<BR/><BR/>American politicians and media love to simplify failure of complex processes involving numerous individuals down to a single "evildoer" who alone is to blame.<BR/><BR/>Thus we have Osama as the stand-in for a malignant system of radical Islam that has been growing for 60 years in it's latest incarnation and spanning 70 countries and involves millions. The illusion the politicians and media wish people to believe is that "if only" the single evildoer is captured and "given the crown jewel of America, fair trial in our courts" - then all of radical Islam collapses once they see how great our lawyers and judges are.<BR/><BR/>The illusion the same people wish to project in the Lacrosse case is pretending it all emenated from Nifong and now that Nifong is gone the whole false rape accusation problem nationwide is fixed, pathologies in Durham, Duke Admin & critical studies are fixed, the AA community's dysfunction is fixed, culpable DPD and ADAs were "repaired" by Nifongs takedown ---And now, it is "time to move on, let everyone heal, and achieve CLOSURE, sweet CLOSURE."<BR/><BR/>Like with Binnie, a simplistic pile of shit.<BR/><BR/>Lots of Binnies, lots of Gottliebs, Wahneemas, Crusty Crystals, Nifongs, and Judge Stevens out there...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-13633558616782198822007-06-22T13:34:00.000-04:002007-06-22T13:34:00.000-04:00Please read my 1:22 post on recent Eviscerated thr...Please read my 1:22 post on recent Eviscerated thread.<BR/><BR/>PolanskiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-17946826356460688252007-06-22T13:30:00.000-04:002007-06-22T13:30:00.000-04:00DA's and tenured professors, like all other public...DA's and tenured professors, like all other public servants on a "no one can fire me" track, are practically accountable to no one. <BR/><BR/>A system supposed to protect them from improper influence also insulates them from reasonable accountability. <BR/><BR/>Layers of deadwood amidst the remainder of the hacks feeding at public troughs won't bestir themselves to do a thing (e.g., the first 2 judges). <BR/><BR/>Someday a public servant will do the public a favor nationwide: propose a system where public servants are rewarded or penalized. <BR/><BR/>The current one is so laden with appeals, inability to fire anyone, secrecy and "discretion," along with immunity even for egregious acts, that it encourages bad acts. <BR/><BR/>DA's, professors, judges...they all know they are basically accountable to no one. Ask any lawyer that appears before a lazy, indifferent judge with staff to match: a student that finds himself/herself in a calss taught by a indifferent prof that shows up only when the TA is sick.<BR/><BR/> It takes a case like this--like this!--for action to be taken.<BR/><BR/>The civil service and tenure system has to be overhauled and soon. The idea that only "professionals" can have a say is crazy. <BR/><BR/>Juries of the unwashed judge complex business cases all the time. Why are rgular joes excluded from decisions about the employees they pay?<BR/><BR/>This case is bigger than Nifong: it shows the ened for more public input and review not less; the error of near unlimited prosecutorial "discretion" untrammeleled by any effective and timely review. And the need for a limit" to tenure--maybe it ought to be in ten year blocks only.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for letting me rant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-24687100317023983992007-06-22T12:49:00.000-04:002007-06-22T12:49:00.000-04:00"provided the prosecutor believes the defendant is..."provided the prosecutor believes the defendant is guilty"<BR/><BR/><BR/>Most prosecutors don’t form an opinion as to actual guilt or innocence instead they form an opinion as to the quality of evidence taken in total. If the evidence is not sufficient then no charge is made. Nifong kept stating that as long as CGM wanted to press charges he had to go along that just doesn’t make sense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-41212866451148008912007-06-22T12:24:00.000-04:002007-06-22T12:24:00.000-04:00Let's see if I get this right. A woman can merely ...<I> Let's see if I get this right. A woman can merely point a finger at someone and accused them of rape. A district attorney can bring such an acuusation to trial. Hearing such an accusation, the jury can convict someone regardless of the evidence. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.<BR/><BR/> Jun 22, 2007 5:44:00 AM </I><BR/><BR/>Yeah, but then 5-10 years later the innocence project will free them and everyone can pat themselves on the back!<BR/><BR/>A "no drop" policy or any other similar weired a-priori rules should disqualify a candidate from getting a DA position.GaryBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02805265981497620290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-54525139149793031872007-06-22T11:50:00.000-04:002007-06-22T11:50:00.000-04:00If the problems in the Durham DAs office are part ...If the problems in the Durham DAs office are part of an on-going and long-term practice, does this talk about a corruption that is perhaps pan-political, ie, everyone who gets in there does it? How long has it been going on & where are the attorneys involved in it, ie, only w/in Durham or also w/out?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-6741687217691964012007-06-22T10:59:00.000-04:002007-06-22T10:59:00.000-04:00"...If she did these things, why should Ms. Cline ..."...If she did these things, why should Ms. Cline not be disciplined by the Bar?"<BR/><BR/>Because what she did wasn't quite egregious to risk Federal intervention. That's the NC bar's new standard of conduct, and while it's appallingly low, it is a step up from the previous standard of "anything goes."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-59852405620860365942007-06-22T10:50:00.000-04:002007-06-22T10:50:00.000-04:00The Durham DA's Office has a long and very sorry h...The Durham DA's Office has a long and very sorry history of corruption and incompetence.<BR/><BR/>Check out the front page on liestoppers -- they have many newspaper clips documenting severe problems under Hardin.<BR/><BR/><BR/>This is a full-fledged cover-up. I've said it before: Nofing took one for the team at the Bar hearing -- he could have fingered many others but did not do so as part of an off-the-record arrangement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-89258964826312694632007-06-22T10:43:00.000-04:002007-06-22T10:43:00.000-04:00Anonymous 7:42 said... ...If she did these things,...Anonymous 7:42 said... <BR/>...If she did these things, why should Ms. Cline not be disciplined by the Bar? <BR/>::<BR/>Due Process I guess.<BR/><BR/>Has anyone asked the Bar to looking into her actions?<BR/>::<BR/>GPGary Packwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05177986821224068759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-5387581008731689452007-06-22T10:29:00.000-04:002007-06-22T10:29:00.000-04:0010:21The pile's been so deep,and there are so few ...10:21<BR/>The pile's been so deep,<BR/>and there are so few pitchforks!<BR/><BR/>It'll take a LOOONNGGG time for <BR/>KC/Heracles to clean out these Augean stables, <BR/>more than a day's labor. <BR/><BR/>Guess DIW makes for a good river <BR/>analogy, eh?machttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14248016116043347912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-53207354450998170832007-06-22T10:21:00.000-04:002007-06-22T10:21:00.000-04:00Thank you for returning to the question of the pro...Thank you for returning to the question of the propriety of the conduct of others in Nifong's office. I have posted here and on Prof. Johnson's site once or twice in the last few months asking what is wrong with the attorneys working with Nifong. An ethical attorney cannot assist another attorney (even a D.A.) in an unethical practice. The Bar focus has been on Nifong (albeit reluctantly); now they need to investigate the conduct of the lawyers who helped him. Time to clean the stables completely.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-38022098771278081612007-06-22T10:13:00.000-04:002007-06-22T10:13:00.000-04:00Remember KC's post about theDPD that involved the ...Remember KC's post about the<BR/>DPD that involved the staff at the <BR/>DPD who were falsely accused of <BR/>running a prostitution ring?<BR/>And that Durham paid damages? -<BR/>(eventually.) <BR/><BR/>Who was prosecuting? <BR/>Hardin? Cline? Other?machttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14248016116043347912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-15680721750620740112007-06-22T09:38:00.000-04:002007-06-22T09:38:00.000-04:00AMAC,Can irony be delivered unknowingly? It would...AMAC,<BR/><BR/>Can irony be delivered unknowingly? It wouldn't be ironic, would it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-61385936943131781652007-06-22T09:33:00.000-04:002007-06-22T09:33:00.000-04:00Anon 9:12am wrote:"Other bloggers use this to make...Anon 9:12am wrote:<BR/><BR/><I>"Other bloggers use this to make racist, sexist, and really STUUUUUUUUUUUUUPID comments. They give new meaning to poor white trash."</I><BR/><BR/>Yes, irony is most poignant when it is delivered unknowingly. Or in a completely deadpan manner. Either way.AMachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08872008617279528583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-79171194077439100802007-06-22T09:12:00.000-04:002007-06-22T09:12:00.000-04:00Reading this discussion is mind boggling. Some of...Reading this discussion is mind boggling. Some of the contributors make really good observations and interesting comments. Other bloggers use this to make racist, sexist, and really STUUUUUUUUUUUUUPID comments. They give new meaning to poor white trash.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-81544716028009205612007-06-22T09:03:00.000-04:002007-06-22T09:03:00.000-04:00OK investigators:Compare the roster of Assistant D...OK investigators:<BR/>Compare the roster of Assistant DAs under Hardin to Assistant DAs under Nifong. Are they similar? Also: did Hardin ever have a no drop policy for rapes? I don't know, but I doubt it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-74782667938858757592007-06-22T08:59:00.000-04:002007-06-22T08:59:00.000-04:007:49Which of the 88 are you? If not one of them, ...7:49<BR/><BR/>Which of the 88 are you? If not one of them, could you be Tracey C-lyin'?<BR/><BR/>Hardin is a good choice? Yep and the fox was the perfect guard for the hen house. <BR/><BR/>The Bar needs to take a serious look at the Durham DA's office. Prosecutorial misconduct seems to be the mantra borne by those employed there. Every time Mikey opens his mouth, it becomes more and more obvious that he was set up by someone in the office. Oh, he was not without blame. He was power mad and allowed his strings to be pulled frequently. He complicated his own life by not surrendering before his ship was below Davey Jones locker. Who fed him the garbage he so profusely professed? Why was he so blindly loyal to that bad info? Power surge is the only apparent cause of his demise.<BR/><BR/>Can't convict the 88 of malice and poor judgment. If Duke continues to employ the vile group, their stock will only continue to fall in the market of universitydom. They need a house cleaning too. But the BoT is too agenda driven like the DA's office. Unfortunately, it seems to be the same agenda.<BR/><BR/>I used to consider the legal system to be honorable. Boy was I mistaken. And ole Honest Easley make the appointment to keep the system in tact. There were options to truly provide some confidence in that system but Nooooooooooooooo, he just couldn't bring himself to go there. Hardin recommended Mikey to him and he bit--hook, line, and sinker. Well, the Durham DA's office took the hook, their reputation is on the line, and Easley appointed the one who could surely sink the reputation. Politics as usual.<BR/><BR/>Alas, Durham remains in Wonderland!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-19788798993418490552007-06-22T08:56:00.000-04:002007-06-22T08:56:00.000-04:00Anonymous @5:44:00 AM said... Let's see if I get t...Anonymous @5:44:00 AM said... <BR/><I>Let's see if I get this right. A woman can merely point a finger at someone and accused them of rape. A district attorney can bring such an acuusation to trial. Hearing such an accusation, the jury can convict someone regardless of the evidence. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. </I><BR/><BR/>This is correct. Why do you think Nifong wanted to "try this the old fashioned way"? Why do you think the Innocence Project is exonerating so many "convicted" rapists? <BR/><BR/>While everybody has got their race knickers totally knotted I still maintain that this is fundamentally about feminist inspired sexism(black men are more likely victims of this type of fraud). That western judicial systems have for so long given greater credence to a woman's word than a mans demonstrates a fundamental bigotry that exists through our entire culture. Not the mysoginy claimed by feminism but rather the exact opposite. Orwell would be having apoplexy.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Anonymous 6:48:00 AM said... <BR/><I>Dear Boy and the Boy Crisis, ie, gender masculinist--<BR/><BR/>Yeppers, blame it on the women! And pretty soon they'll be able to reproduce w/o ya'll and you'll go the way of the Cromagnon man. If you're that evolved. </I><BR/><BR/>Ah yes, speaking of trolls.<BR/><BR/>Good luck to "the women". I'd give them about two months till the sewers block, the petrol runs out, the electricity stops working. Building courses required for all the girls - assuming anybody can be found to teach them. Note to self - start buying stocks among producers of grass hut materials.Greg Allanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04345502997844244773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-41236375609573642082007-06-22T08:54:00.000-04:002007-06-22T08:54:00.000-04:00"ADA Miranda-Watkins approvingly told friends abou..."ADA Miranda-Watkins approvingly told friends about half a year ago that Nifong had broken up the "good old boy network" at the DA's office by hiring black staff. "<BR/><BR/>What she really means is that women and blacks are now allowed to participate in the corruption and injustice as full and equal members.<BR/><BR/>And that makes everything OK.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-64657668243865681682007-06-22T08:51:00.000-04:002007-06-22T08:51:00.000-04:00"It seems to me that Hardin is a good choice""A lo..."It seems to me that Hardin is a good choice"<BR/><BR/>"A lot of people could help when African Americans get wrongly abused "<BR/><BR/>Among them Leroy Lyons and the guy who accused of rape and had a jury come back saying "We don't know why they even botherd prosecuting this case." Both of them had Hardin among their abusers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-85873665989383650892007-06-22T08:41:00.000-04:002007-06-22T08:41:00.000-04:00No-drop policy is clearly unconstitutional, violat...No-drop policy is clearly unconstitutional, violating the civil rights of the accused. There must be federal investigation. Since illegals were not involved, Gonzales is not going to get involved but perhaps congressional hearings can be held. After all, we have now the "most ethical congress in history". <BR/><BR/>Criminal charges should include conspiracy and RICO. <BR/><BR/>Mafia was to large extent defeated using RICO, maybe the Durham democratic party elite - especially DA and DPD - can be defeated with the same tool.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com