tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post85715665975589646..comments2024-02-24T05:19:10.949-05:00Comments on Durham-in-Wonderland: The Contemptible Nifong, Ikcjohnson9http://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comBlogger70125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-24470565663968335612007-08-30T23:00:00.000-04:002007-08-30T23:00:00.000-04:00debrah,Who the heck are you? The DiW police?debrah,<BR/><BR/>Who the heck are you? The DiW police?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-29049029409799599942007-08-30T08:33:00.000-04:002007-08-30T08:33:00.000-04:00TO 12:56AM__Can anyone imagine if any of the Wonde...TO 12:56AM__<BR/><BR/>Can anyone imagine if any of the <I>Wonderland</I> crew had gone over to Acephalous, or any of the others tethered to the Left, to discuss ourselves and our personal accomplishments....<BR/><BR/>....after having dissed the host of the blog....<BR/><BR/>.....then make the countless participants and readers of one of their blogs a party to a current challenge in cyberspace--as has Kaufman now for days--does anyone not believe that the little screaming Lefites would have issued an all-out démarche against that person to get them off the blog?<BR/><BR/>KC and the <I>Wonderland</I> crew have been <I>most</I> hospitable.<BR/><BR/>No need for further largesse regarding this matter.Debrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04567454727276881424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-15146729208814447732007-08-30T00:56:00.000-04:002007-08-30T00:56:00.000-04:00Maybe I'm unworthy to be participating on this blo...Maybe I'm unworthy to be participating on this blogspot, because I simply never heart of Scott Kaufman, despite his city-full of adoring followers.<BR/><BR/>Who the heck is he? And what does he have to do with Nifong, Durham, Duke, the 88???Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-64081212496951006742007-08-30T00:27:00.000-04:002007-08-30T00:27:00.000-04:00debrah said:"Too bad there is no successful way to...debrah said:<BR/>"Too bad there is no successful way to track such people to find out who they are."<BR/><BR/>sek replied:<BR/>"There's always the honor system. Maybe it'll work here. If, that is, the person who did this is honorable."<BR/>And if he's here. Hidden assumption - but not particularly well hidden.<BR/><BR/>A skillful sophist like Chomsky or Fish fills me with a mixture of loathing and admiration. You merely annoy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-10584150650627635382007-08-29T22:57:00.000-04:002007-08-29T22:57:00.000-04:00OK...who is SEK... and who appointed him arbiter o...OK...who is SEK... and who appointed him arbiter of all things controversial?<BR/><BR/>Since Kc's blog is closing down, I may very well make this persumptuous savant a project, for he certainly needs to learn some manners. Thank God another blog exists where there is intellect, however misdirected. <BR/><BR/>I frankly look forward to a feeble 'opponent'....verbal volleyball and all that being what it is....<BR/><BR/>Oh and my preliminary observation, having reviewed various posts at that blog, is that Steven Horwitz is somewhat duplicitous, playing to the crowd who attends, and not the truth as previously expressed.<BR/><BR/>Steven...I invite your retort...for you have memorialized your views .... on 2 blogs, however contradictory.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-36160949384896350182007-08-29T22:34:00.000-04:002007-08-29T22:34:00.000-04:00I'm so G/d-damned tired of this guy.("Enough about...I'm so G/d-damned tired of this guy.<BR/><BR/>(<I>"Enough about me. What about you? What do you think of me?"</I>)<BR/><BR/>Let's revisit the mission of <I>this</I> blog. <BR/><BR/>Shall we?<BR/><BR/>Enough already!Debrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04567454727276881424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-19271001911292014062007-08-29T22:27:00.000-04:002007-08-29T22:27:00.000-04:00Before I begin, let me say this: I did not -- nor ...Before I begin, let me say this: I did not -- nor do I want -- to draw any comparison between what happened to me and what happened in Durham. Consider this matter settled. On to the show:<BR/><BR/>Anonymous <A HREF="http://durhamwonderland.blogspot.com/2007/08/contemptible-nifong-i.html#comment-6233903438565238628" REL="nofollow">asks</A>:<BR/><BR/><EM>Who the heck is Scott Kaufmann?</EM><BR/><BR/>I don't know, but I'll be damned if his name ain't nearly mine.<BR/><BR/>no justice, no peace <A HREF="http://durhamwonderland.blogspot.com/2007/08/contemptible-nifong-i.html#comment-6323442138626700427" REL="nofollow">wrote</A>:<BR/><BR/><EM>I find it most interesting that the defender/abettors attempt shift the conversation away from the Klan of 88 frauds, Nifong abettors, and the deplorable actions of those involved to ... [h]arassing emails[.]</EM><BR/><BR/>I did no such thing. I sent KC and email, and he commendably posted a note about it.<BR/><BR/>Michael <A HREF="http://durhamwonderland.blogspot.com/2007/08/contemptible-nifong-i.html#comment-8590442415233163526" REL="nofollow">writes</A>:<BR/><BR/><EM>We should be above the fray over here. That said, how much is an unsigned apology worth from Anonymous?</EM><BR/><BR/>Actually, an email from the person who did it, from their real address, would be worth a lot. Lest that person think I'd abuse his anonymity, or write some scurrilous about him, I'll link to <A HREF="http://acephalous.typepad.com/acephalous/2007/08/some-good-news-.html" REL="nofollow">this item</A> again.<BR/><BR/>Debrah <A HREF="http://durhamwonderland.blogspot.com/2007/08/contemptible-nifong-i.html#comment-7485705114634521105" REL="nofollow">writes</A>:<BR/><BR/><EM>After reading KC's post about Kaufman's latest challenge, I seriously doubt a regular participant from D-I-W would have taken the time for such childish mischief.</EM><BR/><BR/>Which post would that be? His reply on my blog? <BR/><BR/><EM>Too bad there is no successful way to track such people to find out who they are.</EM><BR/><BR/>There's always the honor system. Maybe it'll work here. If, that is, the person who did this is honorable.<BR/><BR/><EM>In any case, Kaufman wanted some attention. Looks as though he got it.</EM><BR/><BR/>What makes you say that? Because I commented on something which seemed significant to me? That's what bloggers do. They find things which interest them, for whatever reason, and respond to it. And contrary to your (repeated) assertions that I'm only doing this for attention, you should know that I'm satisfied with the regular audience I have. Not many people are privileged enough to have 2,000 people read what they write (or 8,000, when I post at <EM>The Valve</EM>). I am. <BR/><BR/>That you think I'd resort to concern-trolling to drive up my readership numbers says more about you than me. I've been linked no less than fifty times from <EM>Cliopatria</EM>, which may be why KC's familiar with my work and extends me respect. I'm a known quantity in the academic blogosphere. So you can stop with this tired refrain. I'm not an attention hound. <BR/><BR/>Anonymous <A HREF="http://durhamwonderland.blogspot.com/2007/08/contemptible-nifong-i.html#comment-8444121827041839445" REL="nofollow">writes</A>:<BR/><BR/><EM>But I do know that Kaufmann repeatedly smeared Dr Johnson by calling him 'Horowitzian'. </EM><BR/><BR/>Not only was it not a smear, but I wrote a follow-up post specifying what I thought the "Horowitzian" move KC'd made was. His political differences with Horowitz notwithstanding, I believe he's engaged in a critique of academia whose tactics mirror Horowitz's. I say this, as Mr. Phelan will remind you, as a critic of <EM>the very same things KC critiques</EM>. It's not about content, but method. <BR/><BR/>no justice, no peace <A HREF="http://durhamwonderland.blogspot.com/2007/08/contemptible-nifong-i.html#comment-6325164548017458110" REL="nofollow">writes</A> ... something I don't entirely understand. I'm not even sure which parts to quote. Something about Mormons, then this:<BR/><BR/><EM>If it did happen, and even if someone from DIW did it, then he needs to come over here and apologize to the 2,929,665 people who didn't have one damned thing to do with it.</EM><BR/><BR/>What? Why should I apologize for <EM>not</EM> calumniating the reputations of the 3,000,000 visistors who didn't sign me up for upwards of eighty conservatives listservs? Who else do I owe an apology to for not slandering? Bill Cosby? Because I <EM>love</EM> Bill Cosby. TiVO the old episodes every day. I didn't mean not to condemn him, but, well, I guess I owe him an apology anyway ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-28573961624418877552007-08-29T21:34:00.000-04:002007-08-29T21:34:00.000-04:00The clique only knows how to call names. I thought...The clique only knows how to call names. I thought they quit the blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-56280547300716242672007-08-29T21:16:00.000-04:002007-08-29T21:16:00.000-04:00Oh and another thing...If you figure out a way to ...Oh and another thing...<BR/><BR/>If you figure out a way to get off lists, be so kind to let me know. <BR/><BR/>Somehow I'm on a Democratic Party franking list and am continually bombarded with campaign solicitations. Most shocking and difficult to explain to the children are the ones I recieve from Ted "Chappaquiddick" Kennedy.<BR/><BR/>Sadly I pay for these through my taxes.<BR/><BR/>I'd suggest you quit whining like a pussy, but then others might not think of me as being gentile.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-31352153442243983612007-08-29T21:11:00.000-04:002007-08-29T21:11:00.000-04:00TO 8:39PM--My senses tell me it's all a sham becau...TO 8:39PM--<BR/><BR/>My senses tell me it's all a sham because the previous <I>Wonderland</I> rendezvous was less than eventful for the screamers.<BR/><BR/>And last evening there was a full moon.<BR/><BR/>Howling from a few hungry baby wolves is to be expected.<BR/><BR/>This is a diversion. We should all ignore it, if possible.<BR/><BR/>It takes away from the issues at hand-----like KC's rise in the literary world and the upcoming film!<BR/><BR/>LOL!Debrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04567454727276881424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-63251645480174581102007-08-29T20:39:00.000-04:002007-08-29T20:39:00.000-04:00This Kaufmann thing grates on me.This pitiful atte...This Kaufmann thing grates on me.<BR/><BR/>This pitiful attempt at moral relevance is predictable. <BR/><BR/>So now tooling pals by having the Church of Latter Day Saints come visit or referring them to a pesky life insurance agent is like falsely accusing people of rape and sending them to prison for 30 years?<BR/><BR/>I only do things like that to my very best friends, those with whom I've suffered great trial and tribulation. You know like playing helmeted sports and enduring fraternity pledgeship. How does he know it’s not one of his pals doing it to him?<BR/><BR/>I call bull shit. People of character don't do things like what he described to people they don’t know.<BR/><BR/>For he and others to come here and demand some atonement is nonsense. Who’s to say that those enrollments didn't come from someone at Amanda Marcotte's site, the Klan of 88, or one of the abettors in order to discredit KC?<BR/><BR/>It certainly would NOT be out of character and would be in keeping with the rash, mean behavior shown from others.<BR/><BR/>It is especially suspect given his efforts to create a wall of silence and bar KC from the other site. <BR/><BR/>He has not provided evidence anything happened, claimed victimhood, demanded action broadly from those who did not have anything to do with it, and attempts to modify meaning about his effort to silence KC.<BR/><BR/>Beside why would one want to waste time writing about this when it is much more sporting writing about the Klan of 88, Brodhead, and the abettors? It just does not make sense, does it?<BR/><BR/>A typical tolerant, open minded, intellectual, progressive...<BR/><BR/>If it did happen, and even if someone from DIW did it, then he needs to come over here and apologize to the 2,929,665 people who didn't have one damned thing to do with it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-10475422961630821662007-08-29T13:39:00.000-04:002007-08-29T13:39:00.000-04:00Just goes to show what people will do when faced w...<I> Just goes to show what people will do when faced with the reality of their own words.</I><BR/><BR/>Yes, what <I>will</I> YOU do with your own words.<BR/><BR/>Humorous, that.Debrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04567454727276881424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-77548970059238188742007-08-29T13:29:00.000-04:002007-08-29T13:29:00.000-04:00To 1:05PM--We've already said that.What point are ...To 1:05PM--<BR/><BR/>We've already said that.<BR/><BR/>What point are you trying to make?Debrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04567454727276881424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-37222001725744783502007-08-29T13:28:00.000-04:002007-08-29T13:28:00.000-04:00And thanks for the threat Debrah.It's been a while...<I>And thanks for the threat Debrah.</I><BR/><BR/>It's been a while since I've seen someone try to harm another with a multitude of nasty comments which KC has allowed him to spew.....<BR/><BR/>.....then when his deliberate gross concoction is illuminated and shown for what it is....<BR/><BR/>.....he plays the victim.<BR/><BR/><BR/><B>Shades of the Gang of 88 conquering</B>Debrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04567454727276881424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-21456669407884287112007-08-29T13:18:00.000-04:002007-08-29T13:18:00.000-04:00TO 12:47PM--We all have different needs.Which has ...TO 12:47PM--<BR/><BR/>We all have different needs.<BR/><BR/>Which has nothing to do with the point you are trying to make.<BR/><BR/>I find Kaufman an illogical clown looking for attention with a kind of sick need of his own to taint KC and this blog--for reasons that are clear.<BR/><BR/>Didn't work.<BR/><BR/>He and his little janissaries lost their pants.Debrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04567454727276881424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-22454427550356291592007-08-29T13:14:00.000-04:002007-08-29T13:14:00.000-04:00Is Nifong's Criminal Contempt Hearing going to be...Is Nifong's Criminal Contempt Hearing going to be broadcast live?Nicole68https://www.blogger.com/profile/05049923642008449558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-77497304588533831812007-08-29T13:07:00.000-04:002007-08-29T13:07:00.000-04:00After reading KC's post about Kaufman's latest cha...<I>After reading KC's post about Kaufman's latest challenge, I seriously doubt a regular participant from D-I-W would have taken the time for such childish mischief.</I>-Debrah<BR/><BR/>Rose colored glasses, anyone??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-7901397728737611602007-08-29T13:05:00.000-04:002007-08-29T13:05:00.000-04:00Whoooooooaaaaa, folks!There is NO EXCUSE or justif...Whoooooooaaaaa, folks!<BR/><BR/>There is NO EXCUSE or justification for anyone to send listservs to anyone without their permission, and there is NEVER any reason to impersonate another.<BR/><BR/>Nothing should be offerred to mitigate that type of behavior, either. It is wrong, period; no exceptions.<BR/><BR/>None of us should tolerate that type of behavior among us, period; no excuses. It is dishonorable, regardless of how any of you try to slice it up or minimize it.<BR/><BR/>One SpookOne Spookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592774438681904368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-21371670996845045302007-08-29T12:58:00.000-04:002007-08-29T12:58:00.000-04:00Is the Criminal Contempt Hearing going to be broad...Is the Criminal Contempt Hearing going to be broadcast live? I'll stay home to watch just to see Nifong cooking in his own juice..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-18399370023557975172007-08-29T12:50:00.001-04:002007-08-29T12:50:00.001-04:0012:25 PMDude, you are on to a complete loser.That ...12:25 PM<BR/><BR/>Dude, you are on to a complete loser.<BR/><BR/>That other commenter did not say "he aked for it". Those words are your interpretation of what the other commenter said and then you put them in QUOTES. This is felony (or, at least, high misdemeanor) contravention of the punctilio.<BR/><BR/>Say your sorry and promise not to do it again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-66337886774545419782007-08-29T12:50:00.000-04:002007-08-29T12:50:00.000-04:00TOP 12:29PM--Thank you for correcting your mistake...TOP 12:29PM--<BR/><BR/>Thank you for correcting your mistake.<BR/><BR/>And thanks for showing others how a real man behaves.Debrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04567454727276881424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-40687414835319048842007-08-29T12:47:00.000-04:002007-08-29T12:47:00.000-04:00Correction re. name calling:Sorry for the wrong as...Correction re. name calling:<BR/><BR/>Sorry for the wrong assumption, I checked www.urbandictionary.com for the definition of ankle biter:<BR/><BR/>Someone or something that bites your ankles.<BR/>To a postman, an ankle biter is often known as a dog.<BR/>To an adult, an ankle biter may be a toddler.<BR/>To hikers, an ankle biter is sometimes a tick.<BR/><BR/><BR/>BUT, seriously, does DIW need name calling such "creep" and "ankle biter"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-64761916609654626152007-08-29T12:30:00.000-04:002007-08-29T12:30:00.000-04:0011:04AMI'm still not buying your analogy.Kaufman, ...11:04AM<BR/><BR/>I'm still not buying your analogy.<BR/><BR/>Kaufman, by posting on DiW, was arguably looking for attention though not the kind that he found.<BR/><BR/>I do not condone in any way, the anonymous person/s who signed him up to the conservative listservs. That was wrong. <BR/><BR/>I'm certain the lacrosse players were not looking for any attention when they held their party.<BR/><BR/>In Kaufman's case, the attention he received was not unexpected. In the lacrosse case, the attention received was beyond anyone's wildest nightmare.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-91134237348748529932007-08-29T12:29:00.000-04:002007-08-29T12:29:00.000-04:00I was wrong."I don't know if Kaufman "asked for it...I was wrong.<BR/>"I don't know if Kaufman "asked for it". That was the opinion expressed by a commenter on this board"<BR/><BR/>That opinion was NOT expressed by a commenter.<BR/><BR/>I could have checked and sloppily didn't. I was wrong. I'm sorry. And most abjectly contrite.<BR/><BR/>Specifically, it is profoundly uncool to put words in other people's mouths which they did not say. And that other commenter did NOT say "he asked for it".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-33115603691333734192007-08-29T12:25:00.000-04:002007-08-29T12:25:00.000-04:00In any case, Kaufman wanted some attention. Looks ...<I>In any case, Kaufman wanted some attention. Looks as though he got it.</I><BR/><BR/>"He asked for it."<BR/>"He got what he asked for."<BR/><BR/>My 11 year old has sufficient reading comprehension skills to understand that either of those two things are the same as your own words.<BR/><BR/>And thanks for the threat Debrah. Once again, YOU have lowered the level of discourse. Just goes to show what people will do when faced with the reality of their own words. I have never lied about anything you've said, nor have I have I put words in your mouth. I've quoted your own words and offered an interpretation of them. If you disagree, fine, but don't accuse me of lying or putting words in your mouth. <BR/><BR/>Imagine someone saying: "Of course illegal impersonation is awful, but you know when you are a little creep and idiot ankle-biter that might put you in a situation where that could result, you have to accept some responsibility for your victimization." Bah. It didn't fly for the Lax players when people called them racist/sexist for hiring strippers and it doesn't fly for Scott. I submit your earlier post is implicitly making the same argument.<BR/><BR/>And also thanks for calling me a Lefty. That makes my day. Feel free to say more in private - I love collecting hate emails.Steven Horwitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00470758334242360804noreply@blogger.com