tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post1047909894046592267..comments2024-02-24T05:19:10.949-05:00Comments on Durham-in-Wonderland: Hodding Carter Opening Remarkskcjohnson9http://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-62949989837812396132007-09-29T00:19:00.000-04:002007-09-29T00:19:00.000-04:00Much better inet version of His Girl Friday video....Much better inet version of <A HREF="http://www.archive.org/details/his_girl_friday" REL="nofollow">His Girl Friday</A> video.M. Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09508934110558197375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-18059723283682775322007-09-29T00:12:00.000-04:002007-09-29T00:12:00.000-04:00His Girl Friday video is a comedy about the press....<A HREF="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6759515366249007357" REL="nofollow"><I>His Girl Friday</I> video</A> is a comedy about the press.<BR/><BR/>It seems pretty truthful about attitudes if not exact operation.M. Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09508934110558197375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-12114586944080889032007-09-28T22:22:00.000-04:002007-09-28T22:22:00.000-04:00steven howitz @ 4:54Thank you for restoring (somew...steven howitz @ 4:54<BR/><BR/>Thank you for restoring (somewhat) my faith in the academy. If, in fact, the sacred trust is held sacred, then there is hope.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-86998718240654114422007-09-28T17:10:00.000-04:002007-09-28T17:10:00.000-04:00Steve, Nifong was publicly thrown out of his profe...Steve, <BR/><BR/>Nifong was publicly thrown out of his profession.<BR/><BR/>If in fact Kim Curtis has been quietly removed from the profession with no public acknowledgement that she did wrong, then academia is still significantly clubbier than the Bar.<BR/><BR/>And I've got to disagree with you about relative severities. Curtis' sin was more closley related to her job, ture - but it was much less closely related to the real risk of going to prison for 30 years, which was a vastly more significant issue to the students' lives.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-36910961547159361472007-09-28T16:54:00.000-04:002007-09-28T16:54:00.000-04:00Actually, Ralph, Kim Curtis committed the worst si...Actually, Ralph, Kim Curtis committed the worst sin of all in my book. It still isn't clear if she is employed by Duke and/or teaching students, but if she's not, then I would say academia tossed its worst from this case.<BR/><BR/>It's bad behavior to say all kinds of bad things about your students, but wielding the power of the grade as an ideological weapon (or as a threat of any kind) is way worse.<BR/><BR/>That's the most sacred trust we have with students and there's little, if anything, worse than abusing it.Steven Horwitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00470758334242360804noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-67653583762993458342007-09-28T14:15:00.000-04:002007-09-28T14:15:00.000-04:00"nothing quite so clubby as the Bar"Except for aca..."nothing quite so clubby as the Bar"<BR/><BR/><BR/>Except for academia. The Bar has at least tossed out its worst offender - Houston Baker, Lubiano and Farred have all had their careers continue to advance.<BR/><BR/>And the press, which has shown a similar degree of self-criticism and demand for consequences.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-71722162760172960632007-09-28T13:28:00.000-04:002007-09-28T13:28:00.000-04:00The American public understood immediately that Bi...The American public understood immediately that Bill was not lying but lying about sex. 44 million dollars for the whitewater non event. Newt resigns instead of a sucessful impeachment of Clinton. We were having fun then. Now we have Nancy P running off to the Middles Ease, convorting with the enemy and wearing a head scarf.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-29194111697552534942007-09-28T12:23:00.000-04:002007-09-28T12:23:00.000-04:00IMHO the best line of the post: "blogosphere has r...IMHO the best line of the post: <I>"blogosphere has role to critique press--in a way that the press has failed to critique itself"</I><BR/><BR/>I couldn't agree more. Good show K.C., et al!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-54611437013760608292007-09-28T11:03:00.000-04:002007-09-28T11:03:00.000-04:00actions of AG and state bar were “extraordinary”—n...<I>actions of AG and state bar were “extraordinary”—need to keep in mind this wasn’t the normal approach</I><BR/><BR/>Yes, we will remember....and mostly we will remember that the reason they acted in an "extraordinary" manner is because of the illumination and the national and international attention the case has gotten.<BR/><BR/>Because of the heavy-lifting of people like KC and <I>Wonderland</I>.....things will never be the same.Debrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04567454727276881424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-64979346150152663652007-09-28T10:24:00.000-04:002007-09-28T10:24:00.000-04:00Hodding Carter has some good points. The thing is...Hodding Carter has some good points. The thing is, the media people remember all the wrong trials, and all the wrong movies. Instead of watching "All the President's Men, " the J-schoolers should have to watch and discuss "Absence of Malice." And then Sacco and Vanzetti are not exactly poster boys for innocents railroaded to the chair. Their trial was a mess, but largely because it was, like the Duke Lacrosse Burning, a media circus, promoted by media (newspaper) folks with a progressive agenda, along with a willingness to talk up the lurid details of the crime to sell papers. Careful reporting, and concern for the defendant's rights were not really high on the media's list of concerns then, or now, despite all the noble sounding words from media spokemen. Nothing much has changed in 80 years. <BR/><BR/>Carter is correct though, the media frequently fails to live up to its role as a responsible corporate citizen, and there is no constitutional mechanism to force the press to behave responsibly. This is where the bloggers and the citizenry become so important, by doing what D-I-W, Liestoppers, and similar groups do - shining the spotlight of factual truth on the failings of the self-absorbed media and public officials. One way the public can enforce this is to not support media who behave egregiously. I have not regretted canceling my subscription to the New York Times nearly fifteen years ago. The paper has gotten worse since then.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-4123749473662863632007-09-28T09:45:00.000-04:002007-09-28T09:45:00.000-04:00Geez...I misread KC's post.I thought the section I...Geez...I misread KC's post.<BR/><BR/>I thought the section I quoted above was the MSM defense that the actions by Nifong, et al. were "extraordinary", and thusly, the MSM was taken by surprise.<BR/><BR/>My bad.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05104084969145684426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-89643809469426455912007-09-28T09:41:00.000-04:002007-09-28T09:41:00.000-04:00'actions of AG and state bar were “extraordinary”—...<I>'actions of AG and state bar were “extraordinary”—need to keep in mind this wasn’t the normal approach'</I><BR/><BR/>This is a strong argument.<BR/><BR/>That is not to say that it is watertight in any way, but it resonates the most with me. The counter to this, of course, is that the media is supposed to be a <I>check</I> on those people we trust with power. And one could argue that this kind of abuse is the very thing that the media is supposed to expose.<BR/><BR/>Still, this was a very atypical situation in modern times. Insinuations, posturing, half-truths and the like have become the normal roadblocks faced by reporters these days. They probably would have recognized that type of game, had Nifong chosen to be vague. But Nifong was not vague. He told bald-faced lies, not just to reporters, but to the entire nation during press conferences. They were fooled like many others, as no sane D.A. would do such a thing. My biggest beef with the press is their lack of remorse.<BR/><BR/>It's interesting to note that the last time I remember a high-profile case in which a person lied directly to the American public in such a way, it was Bill Clinton telling us he "did not have..." I think the difference in the reporting of that case was that Clinton was the defendant, whereas Nifong (should have) had no emotional attachment to the case.<BR/><BR/>In both cases, the lies were exposed. I guess that's the important thing.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05104084969145684426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-15423856834099976832007-09-28T09:34:00.001-04:002007-09-28T09:34:00.001-04:00Is Nifong a Communist?Is Nifong a Communist?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com