tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post2358819537289125075..comments2024-02-24T05:19:10.949-05:00Comments on Durham-in-Wonderland: Gottlieb Newskcjohnson9http://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comBlogger58125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-41541194469274915792014-07-20T17:09:23.532-04:002014-07-20T17:09:23.532-04:00To Anonymous 4:26---I don't agree and I'll...To Anonymous 4:26---I don't agree and I'll tell you why. Our problem and the reason perpetrators survive and thrive, isn't because some of us are good and righteous, dignified and compassionate, i.e. or as you might frame it, too nice to do anything to stop bad behavior. Perpetrators survive when others pretend/imagine/talk themselves (and the perpetrators) in to believing they are good people with just as much integrity as everyone else. Perpetrators survive because equivocators support them. They fold when enough others, in the right position, are willing to see the ugly truth about them. When they are held accountable for the harm they have caused. Some would call these supporters "Enablers". Whatever, they survive because there are so many people with shaky integrity who throw support their way because it benefits them in some way. It is the very principled people, such as KC Johnson, the student's lawyers, and some contributors here, who expose corruption for what it is. These are the people who save us from lawless people.<br /><br />I don't mind naming and shaming, it serves as a deterrent to future misbehavior. But I wouldn't wish most people who've done bad dead because I have hope they could come to terms with what they've done, repent, try to do some good. How many do, I don't know, so your points are not without merit. <br /><br />MariaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-55072146976565779462014-07-20T16:26:34.677-04:002014-07-20T16:26:34.677-04:00Lawless people like Gottlieb are able to perpetrat...Lawless people like Gottlieb are able to perpetrate damage and harm to innocents because others sit around "putting good out there", which is the same as enabling those who would steal our rights.<br /><br />I, for one, would rather that criminals with badges get named and shamed. Maybe more of them would kill themselves, doing us all a favor.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-84551931420836458642014-07-19T13:04:15.629-04:002014-07-19T13:04:15.629-04:00Why would you wish to emulate him? You can choose...Why would you wish to emulate him? You can choose to care because you want to be a better person, to have peace in this life, to do good where you can do some good, and as an expression of your values. You do this because it puts more good out there.<br /><br />MariaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-1293693384769993052014-07-19T12:40:32.528-04:002014-07-19T12:40:32.528-04:00I am incapable of caring more about his children t...I am incapable of caring more about his children than he did - he chose to break the law, he chose to kill himself, and they have to live with it. He never gave a thought to the damage his bad decisions would cause to his family, so why should I?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-36584732890378968552014-07-17T12:06:44.770-04:002014-07-17T12:06:44.770-04:00We have all been preyed upon, some to more devasta...We have all been preyed upon, some to more devastating consequences. Other's badness does not excuse our subsequent behavior.<br /><br />If I could protect the little children from the sins of the fathers and the wrath of the victims, I certainly would.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-59780006006954852552014-07-12T17:51:53.980-04:002014-07-12T17:51:53.980-04:00"It's the trashy residue of your own bloo..."It's the trashy residue of your own bloody obsession"<br /><br />Bloody obsession with what? Truth and justice? How awful!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-34064882099130889312014-07-12T17:47:14.494-04:002014-07-12T17:47:14.494-04:003:17 Anonymous: You are wrong. Those who hunger ... 3:17 Anonymous: You are wrong. Those who hunger and thirst for righteousness are our saviors. You know what they said after the Holocaust: Never Forget. They do this so the sins are not repeated. If you look throughout history you will discover that it is the truth-tellers who carry the good forward. The people whose behavior is unprincipled drag us down. We MUST have people like KC helping us to differentiate between what is moral and what behaviors must be squelched because they cause such harm. <br /><br />Your construction is built on weak and shifting sand. KC' has built for us a solid foundation that includes fidelity to laws and principles that bear better fruit than lies and other deceptions.<br /><br />MariaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-8531173320709596122014-07-12T15:17:52.788-04:002014-07-12T15:17:52.788-04:00KC You and your hooligans are all guilty of keep...KC You and your hooligans are all guilty of keeping up the harangue and the harassment of this man and his family. You can shout your denials in all caps if you want but you can't wipe your hands of this. The comments that protest overly much are quite revealing in your effort to distance. But there is consequence to your nasty jealousies. Shut down the blog. It's the trashy residue of your own bloody obsession. That's your price KC and crew for failure to know when to stfuAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-72472642566831021172014-07-12T14:55:10.320-04:002014-07-12T14:55:10.320-04:00While we are talking about the suffering of famili...While we are talking about the suffering of families let's not forget how much pain was inflicted on Pressler's wife and children as well as on Pressler himself. No one can wholly recover from what Gottlieb did or Richard H. Brodhead to their lives. Hershel Parkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03919613095448470289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-6091121378316600782014-07-12T14:52:20.041-04:002014-07-12T14:52:20.041-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Hershel Parkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03919613095448470289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-38026890501616245542014-07-12T09:43:32.231-04:002014-07-12T09:43:32.231-04:00I see a tragedy calling for compassion for those w...I see a tragedy calling for compassion for those whose lives were not well lived.<br /><br />MariaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-24494065526208698352014-07-12T02:49:10.011-04:002014-07-12T02:49:10.011-04:00As a matter of fact and public record there was a ...As a matter of fact and public record there was a protection order due to an incident in may that ended with Gottlieb on the courthohse lawn with a gun in his mouth. <br />Still another restraining order to protect his own niece and nephews from him but yet he was discharged from the mental facility to the same address.<br />but then found dead by his brother ?<br />I smell another hoax or coverup.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-12007286422897222592014-07-11T21:52:53.512-04:002014-07-11T21:52:53.512-04:00Does anyone know if Gottlieb was a Communist?
Was...Does anyone know if Gottlieb was a Communist?<br /><br />Was he buried face-down?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-26277981613849036752014-07-11T09:26:24.148-04:002014-07-11T09:26:24.148-04:00Is Officer Gottlieb receiving the full official ho...Is Officer Gottlieb receiving the full official honors he so richly deserves? Will the police escort his procession past the Duke campus and the LAX practice field?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-40116479849480696002014-07-11T08:13:54.584-04:002014-07-11T08:13:54.584-04:00Cops see a lot of crap during their careers, espec...Cops see a lot of crap during their careers, especially in holes like Durham. A lot of them end up eating their guns. Gottlieb probably offed himself with nary a thought to the lacrosse case.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-58067310064491689452014-07-11T07:28:05.273-04:002014-07-11T07:28:05.273-04:00No doubt Mark and Wes Covington are in Heaven disc...No doubt Mark and Wes Covington are in Heaven discussing their regrets for failing to destroy the falsely accused.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-76860267708473782142014-07-10T22:38:20.124-04:002014-07-10T22:38:20.124-04:00Anonymous @4:09----I have no use for them and want...Anonymous @4:09----I have no use for them and want no dealings with them. I wouldn't recommend that any parent send their children to Duke.<br /><br />The one thing I can!t get out of my mind is the response of the university's Catholic priest to the innocent. He could have reserved judgment. Instead, he rejected them. As I said, who we are cannot be ascertained from our positions, we are our responses. As such, a simple grocery store clerk who cares for her own and speaks the truth can be better than the university president or priest who sell out on their own people on the basis of the perceived "badness" of the ones they condemn---while failing themselves to stand on principle.<br /><br />~. MariaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-38720827225490561512014-07-10T20:04:58.672-04:002014-07-10T20:04:58.672-04:00Anon @ 7/10/14, 6:09 PM
You're welcome!
I wa...Anon @ 7/10/14, 6:09 PM<br /><br />You're welcome!<br /><br />I was kinda surprised that the article was still on the Chronicle site, found the link to it in the notice of Gottlieb's checkout.<br /><br />Thanks for the info in re: his demotion to property crimes - I knew that it had to do with his abuse of Duke students, but didn't know the details.<br /><br />/rt RighteousThugnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-5009034582205305032014-07-10T19:33:27.453-04:002014-07-10T19:33:27.453-04:00Mark Gottlieb
Obituary
Guest Book
"I hav...Mark Gottlieb<br />Obituary<br />Guest Book<br /><br /> "I have fond memories of growing up on Beaconsfield with..."<br /><br />View Sign<br /><br />GOTTLIEB<br /><br />Mark D.<br /><br />Mark D. Gottlieb, age 51, passed away on Saturday, July 5, 2014. He was born in Toledo, OH, to parents Bob and Estey Gottlieb.<br /><br />He is survived by his wife and 3 children.<br /><br />Contributions may be made in his memory to<br />or the Shriner's Hospital.<br />Published in Toledo Blade on July 10, 2014<br />- See more at: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/toledoblade/obituary.aspx?n=mark-gottlieb&pid=171673678#sthash.XLtvlS4G.dpuf Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-34144593197211096332014-07-10T18:41:12.450-04:002014-07-10T18:41:12.450-04:00As for his family, I can feel sorry for his childr...As for his family, I can feel sorry for his children, who had no choice in who their father was. But his wife must have had a clue about the character of the man she was marrying.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-63494690266208461202014-07-10T18:30:04.431-04:002014-07-10T18:30:04.431-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Sandfredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02531349427902800528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-68527715073240524412014-07-10T18:09:54.336-04:002014-07-10T18:09:54.336-04:00Heh, Righteous Thug -
Thanks for retrieving the l...Heh, Righteous Thug -<br /><br />Thanks for retrieving the link to that article on Gottlieb's bad behavior.<br /><br />It was well known on campus that the incident that got Gottlieb removed from the Duke beat and demoted to the property crime's desk was his needlessly slamming a female student to the ground, breaking her nose. Unfortunately for Gottlieb, the girl happened to be a daughter to one of the Duke Trustees. I'll bet he wished he'd stuck to roughing-up foreigners.<br /><br />No sympathy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-57127000857104897212014-07-10T16:35:04.062-04:002014-07-10T16:35:04.062-04:00For the relatives and friends of Gottlieb, this is...For the relatives and friends of Gottlieb, this is how he acted towrd Duke students:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.dukechronicle.com/articles/2006/09/11/students-criticize-lax-cops-behavior" rel="nofollow"><b>Students criticize lax cop's behavior - Violence, dishonesty alleged against DPD investigator Gottlieb</b></a><br /><br />IOW, pretty much a dickhead who repeatedly abused his authority as a policeman.RighteousThugnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-69045090859654863772014-07-10T16:09:25.071-04:002014-07-10T16:09:25.071-04:00So if duke bears false witness and they do not car...So if duke bears false witness and they do not care about the truth and protecting the youth and the innocent they are unrighteous and not worthy of respect, even if they may show a sick grin of false kindness as their emblem to the world. I don't think they mind too much - just as long as The Duke and his Dawg don't embellish a bottle of whiskey - what the heck do they care?<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-506276501617372212014-07-10T13:44:58.530-04:002014-07-10T13:44:58.530-04:00durham resident: most of the contributors here wo...durham resident: most of the contributors here would not bear false witness and they care about the truth and protecting the young and the innocent. That IMO means they are righteous and worthy of our respect even when comments are unkind.<br /><br />Personally, I wish Gottlieb were still here and struggling as we all do to come to terms with our life choices.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com