tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post245432017773670587..comments2024-02-24T05:19:10.949-05:00Comments on Durham-in-Wonderland: More Cathy Davidson: In Her Own Wordskcjohnson9http://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comBlogger65125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-68817664323018049152007-01-09T17:20:00.000-05:002007-01-09T17:20:00.000-05:00If anyone still reads this string there is a threa...If anyone still reads this string there is a thread on Liestoppers which has more responses from Davidson. She seems more contrite and explains she did not intend what the ad is widely read to have said and accomplished.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-72911647161184213492007-01-08T21:56:00.000-05:002007-01-08T21:56:00.000-05:002:55 -- the 88 didn't just "fuel the environment t...2:55 -- the 88 didn't just "fuel the environment that made [the 'Castrate' banner] happen"; they thanked the would-be castraters after the protest. Davidson's claim that she only meant to thank some other (politer) protesters is sophistry. Her claim that she didn't know anything about the potbangers, the 'Castrate' and 'Confess' banners, the "Rapist' chants, the fascistic drums and bullhorns etc. etc. is utterly incredible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-50883034774909345442007-01-07T15:05:00.000-05:002007-01-07T15:05:00.000-05:00Anonymous - 10:21 PM:
You've hit that nail smack ...Anonymous - 10:21 PM:<br /><br />You've hit that nail smack dab on the head.Bailliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08938067714148996447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-77883333499302073132007-01-07T14:55:00.000-05:002007-01-07T14:55:00.000-05:002:14 -- Great work. I think you've clarified what ...2:14 -- Great work. I think you've clarified what the Group of 88 failed to realize -- even though they weren't out with the "castrate" banners, they were helping to fuel the environment that made it happen.<br /><br />I hope KC will view them in that light.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-62416477370881089062007-01-07T14:45:00.000-05:002007-01-07T14:45:00.000-05:00I don't know but I believe Houston had the deal wi...I don't know but I believe Houston had the deal with Vandy a long time before March 13th. He appears to have a shelf life at Universities. He helped get this crowd going and high tailed it out of town.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-21156001517825675752007-01-07T14:14:00.000-05:002007-01-07T14:14:00.000-05:00Writer to Prof Davidson here...
I sent her a respo...Writer to Prof Davidson here...<br />I sent her a response to her response:<br /><br />The ad was directed to the protestors who are quoted in the ad, not the people you quote.<br />Prof Davidson,<br /> <br />Thank you for your response. While I would agree that the rhetoric in the ad was less inflammatory than that in the larger media, I would have to point out to you that timing, and perceptions can be everything. The references to "March 13th" clearly link the perception of what is being talked about to the bigger problems that are alledgedly addressed by the quotes in the ad. What I find interesting is that these quotes are very inconsistent with press based statements of many other people familiar with the lacrosse team. I would specifically reference the interview with Devon Sherwood (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/LegalCenter/story?id=2617301&page=1) as well as other quoted comments from female friends and supporters of the team. You may ask why I am so interested in this situation if I am not local and intimately connected. I am a person who works every day with High School athletes. As we don't have lacrosse here, I am more involved with football and wrestling. For what it's worth, I am a team doctor, not a coach. I played lacrosse in college. I know what the social scene in college athletics is like. It is not squeaky clean, but it also is not the cesspool that your ad would intimate that it is. Have you ever attended a lacrosse function? I think you would be surprised with the level of friendship and non vulgar comradery that prevails. While you may find hiring a stripper absolutely repulsive, it is not illegal, and not even morally reprehensible if done on private property with private funds. Personally, I'd rather watch game show re-runs on cable, but to each his own. Nobody coerced those women to agree to accept money for undressing in front of strangers, even though that is a thoroughly undignified thing to do. Are there predators and racists on every college campus? YOU BETCHA!!!, and that is a problem that sorely needs attention. But to leverage your political position by referencing a "SOCIAL DISASTER" (what a prophetic label in retrospect) prior all the facts being out is equally reprehensible. Had this ad been published after facts were in evidence that the alleged crimes actually occurred and that lacrosse players were either involved in the crimes or in covering them up, I would read it very differently. What I would suggest to you is that your stock would rise significantly if you found yourself comfortable stating in the press that you are "shocked and appalled" by the type of protest that I have brought to your attention (which I am actually very surprised you weren't aware of as it has been in the national media since prior to your ad). It would also go a long way to reiterate what you have said regarding "justice not scapegoating". I actually think the text of your second paragraph says quite a bit about your true feelings, which are more in line with the mainstream than many would think. The problem is that you apparently have been blind to what the perception of many people is given the "other protests" that have colored their perception of your "listening statement". By the way, it is also often raked over the coals repeatedly that the ad copy was pulled from the Duke website rather abruptly in November when it became the focus of a blog posting. It is still available from a cached website and is accessed frequently. I had read it previously, but again my perception was strongly colored by the thought that surely you were aware of other protests, "WANTED" posters with lacrosse team photos, and other inflammatory rhetoric. Some of these may have occurred after your ad, but the lack of the "Group of 88" speaking out specifically against them has led to the perception that they do not disapprove. Please show the community (nation/world) differently if that is the case.<br /> <br />Sincerely,<br />Name withheld to protect the sensible, M.D.<br />Member<br />Group of MillionsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-82758255558193309512007-01-07T13:34:00.000-05:002007-01-07T13:34:00.000-05:00re 1:25 PM
Yes, but when you "hear the truth you'...re 1:25 PM<br /><br />Yes, but when you "<i>hear the truth you've spoken, Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools</i>", you offer no complaint. Is this on purpse?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-4442446708121742652007-01-07T13:25:00.000-05:002007-01-07T13:25:00.000-05:00At 8:10pm last night I posted a letter that I sent...At 8:10pm last night I posted a letter that I sent to Prof Davidson. I was surprised to receive a response, much more surprised to hear that she admits to being out of touch more than malicious. Apparently, the group of 88 is so insulated that they don't even follow the blogs that are daily heralding their every move.<br /><br />Her response:<br /><br />Dear Sir or Madam, <br /><br />The ad was directed to the protestors who are quoted in the ad, not the people you quote. The protests on campus that I witnessed---the open mikes set up to encourage exchange---were very valuable. I learned about the ones below only much later. <br /><br />Until you sent me this photograph, I had not seen it. I am shocked and appalled. You may not believe it, but I will repeat what I have said many times, in many forums. I want justice, not scapegoating. I believe symbolic justice is tyranny. If these young men did not commit crimes, they must be exonerated. There were things that we were told happened in the house which may not have been crimes but are certainly not laudable behavior. But that is a different manner. No one should face serious charges for crimes they did not commit. I have said that thousands of times since March 13 and, in other contexts, before. I will always say that. I read and reread the ad before I signed it. It did not speak to the criminal allegations. It clearly was read as if it did and I deeply regret that misreading. <br />Sincerely, <br /><br />C. DavidsonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-6217341758215801112007-01-07T13:00:00.000-05:002007-01-07T13:00:00.000-05:00pot·bang·er; noun. 1. Person (or primate) who loud...pot·bang·er; noun. 1. Person (or primate) who loudly and unhaltingly strikes a hand-held food-preparation or eating utensil against a metal or clay cooking vessel in order to declare the occurrence of a social disaster. 2. Person who substitutes highly inflammatory polemic (typically relating to race, class, or gender) for actual facts relating an event to advance a particular social agenda and create deeper division. opposite: Blog HooliganAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-75054362104003009012007-01-07T12:55:00.000-05:002007-01-07T12:55:00.000-05:00To 5:27
Does Davidson think Duke alumni and suppo...To 5:27<br /><br />Does Davidson think Duke alumni and supporters of the players are stupid? Yes, she does.<br /><br />BuddyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-78950891117447180492007-01-07T12:39:00.000-05:002007-01-07T12:39:00.000-05:00pot·bang·er; noun. 1. Person (or primate) who loud...pot·bang·er; noun. 1. Person (or primate) who loudly and unhaltingly strikes a hand-held food-preparation or eating utensil against a metal or clay cooking vessel in order to declare the occurrence of a social disaster. 2. Person who substitutes highly inflammatory polemic (typically relating to race, class, or gender) for actual facts relating an event to advance a particular social agenda and create deeper division. opposite: Blog HooliganAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-48746197310665047852007-01-07T10:28:00.000-05:002007-01-07T10:28:00.000-05:00The City of Medicine will forever be known for hav...The City of Medicine will forever be known for having a nurse with less than a year of experience do a SANE exam and render an "expert" opinion.<br /><br />I guess their definition of quality of care and mine differ.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-76963342667944148042007-01-07T02:22:00.000-05:002007-01-07T02:22:00.000-05:00The tag line Durham uses for itself is "The City o...The tag line Durham uses for itself is "The City of Medicine".<br /><br />It will forever be known as the city that elected Nifong, even after things were very clear.<br /><br />At the time, I figured Nifong got no votes from anyone associated with Duke but it seems there were at least 88, unless some of these enlightened educators actually chose to live in places like Chapel Hill or Raleigh.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-77376323299496964612007-01-07T01:36:00.000-05:002007-01-07T01:36:00.000-05:00You just can't make this stuff up. There's a thre...You just can't make this stuff up. There's a thread on liestoppers where people have posted messages from a Yahoo! group created at the time to "respond" to the "events".<br /><br />As it happens, some of the G88 live in the Trinity Park neighborhhod that surrounds Duke's East Campus and the NC School of Science and Math (residential school for high school juniors and seniors).<br /><br />It seems Prof. Kim Curtis was<br />quite actively composing messages that go well beyond even the public comments. If the original statement and the letter written by Cathy Davidson aren't transparent or shocking enough, have a read: <a href="http://z9.invisionfree.com/LieStoppers_Board/index.php?showtopic=1252">here.</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-56212370260848249122007-01-07T01:04:00.000-05:002007-01-07T01:04:00.000-05:00A professor resigned from a comitee? Wow that's t...A professor resigned from a comitee? Wow that's the gutsiest move I've ever heard of. When's the press conference? A man whose convictions run so deep he'd resign from a comitee deserves to be heard from. This man's name deserves to be remembered in history If (he'd come forward) with others who have sacrificed for their beliefs like Thomas Moore<br /><br />What a fucking hero.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-69645846324416970612007-01-07T00:40:00.000-05:002007-01-07T00:40:00.000-05:00To 11:58
Chilling! I hope this has been read by al...To 11:58<br />Chilling! I hope this has been read by all those in power in North Carolina<br />ThanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-9017518370889293572007-01-07T00:17:00.000-05:002007-01-07T00:17:00.000-05:009:23 PM said:
"I just checked Ms. Davidson's vita...9:23 PM said:<br /><br />"I just checked Ms. Davidson's vita on the Duke English Department's Web site and she has not published a book since 1997 (and only has 7 books to her name, one of them "forthcoming"). How does she keep her job?" <br /><br />That is very curious considering she lives in the same house as the Editor-in-Chief of the Duke University Press. You would think she should be able to get something published.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-33338345003676341202007-01-06T23:58:00.000-05:002007-01-06T23:58:00.000-05:00To 11:30 PM
Read Bill Anderson's Duke: The Anatom...To 11:30 PM<br />Read Bill Anderson's <a href=http://www.lewrockwell.com/anderson/anderson163.html> Duke: The Anatomy of a Hoax</a><br /><br />"Since Nifong obtained indictments of Seligmann, Finnerty, and Evans, a number of blogs have appeared to attack the "evidence," the process itself, and Nifong. A recent posting on the blog called Liestoppers is one of the most chilling documents I have read on this case, and I will look at this piece in some detail."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-18290981292070635582007-01-06T23:30:00.000-05:002007-01-06T23:30:00.000-05:00I don't understand how Nifong can get away with ch...I don't understand how Nifong can get away with charging these 3 victims when the evidence is overwhelming that this rape never happened??? How do those in Durham who have the power to stop this circus just sit back and let it continue? This is not justice, this is a tragedy that shames our justice systemAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-69667269377707250472007-01-06T23:22:00.000-05:002007-01-06T23:22:00.000-05:00Obviously someone at Duke hasn't given up on the h...Obviously someone at Duke hasn't given up on the humanities faculty.<br /><br />That would be <a href="http://www.goduke.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=25937&SPID=2027&DB_OEM_ID=4200&ATCLID=590703">lacrosse co-captain Ed Douglas</a>, a biomedical engineering graduate now pursuing a master's in humanities.<br /><br />Might want to be careful with blanket statements. Never know who you're going to cover.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-42248236634583098512007-01-06T22:21:00.000-05:002007-01-06T22:21:00.000-05:00Baillie:
Define "false". Or for that matter, defi...Baillie:<br />Define "false". Or for that matter, define "true." This is the group for whom "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter." <br />Their entire <i> raison d'etre </i> is the deconstruction of common sense and ethics.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-69687046367697767202007-01-06T21:50:00.000-05:002007-01-06T21:50:00.000-05:00Obsolete Hebrew Text, c. 850 BCE:
...Naboth the J...Obsolete Hebrew Text, c. 850 BCE:<br /><br /><I>...Naboth the Jez'reelite had a vineyard, which was in Jezreel, hard by the palace of Ahab king of Samaria. And Ahab spake unto Naboth, saying, 'Give me thy vineyard, that I may have it for a garden of herbs, because it is near unto my house: and I will give thee for it a better vineyard than it; or, if it seem good to thee, I will give thee the worth of it in money.'<br /><br />And Naboth said to Ahab, 'The LORD forbid it me, that I should give the inheritance of my fathers unto thee.'<br /><br />And Ahab came into his house heavy and displeased because of the word which Naboth the Jez'reelite had spoken to him: for he had said, I will not give thee the inheritance of my fathers. And he laid him down upon his bed, and turned away his face, and would eat no bread.<br /><br />But Jez'ebel his wife came to him, and said unto him, 'Why is thy spirit so sad, that thou eatest no bread?' And he said unto her, 'Because I spake unto Naboth the Jez'reelite, and said unto him, Give me thy vineyard for money; or else, if it please thee, I will give thee another vineyard for it: and he answered, I will not give thee my vineyard.'<br /><br />And Jez'ebel his wife said unto him, 'Dost thou now govern the kingdom of Israel? arise, and eat bread, and let thine heart be merry: I will give thee the vineyard of Naboth the Jez'reelite…'</i><br /><br />I doubt the Duke 88 know the rest of the story.<br /><br />Perhaps the Supreme Court could let us have just one Commandment on the walls of courtrooms: "Thou shalt not bear false witness." I can't see even an atheist disagreeing with that one.Bailliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08938067714148996447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-91943418156435766072007-01-06T21:23:00.000-05:002007-01-06T21:23:00.000-05:00I just checked Ms. Davidson's vita on the Duke Eng...I just checked Ms. Davidson's vita on the Duke English Department's Web site and she has not published a book since 1997 (and only has 7 books to her name, one of them "forthcoming"). How does she keep her job?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-9205034685328022512007-01-06T21:18:00.000-05:002007-01-06T21:18:00.000-05:00"Folks at this site who say the Group of 88 is goi..."Folks at this site who say the Group of 88 is going down are very wrong. Some may lose jobs at Duke, although I doubt it; but even if they do, other jobs-probably higher paying jobs-will be available. Good grief, look who Universities hire: Ward Churchill (University of Colorado), Angela Davis (University of California, Santa Cruz), Anita Hill (Brandeis University). And that is not even a start. Cathy Davidson and the other Group of 88 members will successfully tout K.C. Johnson's words about them as another reason to hire them."<br /><br />I agree anon, but at least they have been 'outed'. They might find gainful employment but their voices will be marinalized by all but the off-the-wall left.Myra Langerhashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03819607941599513755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-36617064038996965322007-01-06T21:15:00.000-05:002007-01-06T21:15:00.000-05:00Brodhead's statement was only positive to the exte...Brodhead's statement was only positive to the extent it helps build publuic sentiment in favor of the accused. But I wont cut him any slack. He did it for 2 reasons - witheld alum donations and the drop in applications. He is still a rat who should be shamed out of his position.Myra Langerhashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03819607941599513755noreply@blogger.com