tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post3305206317379561783..comments2024-02-24T05:19:10.949-05:00Comments on Durham-in-Wonderland: Lubiano's Cover E-Mailkcjohnson9http://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comBlogger106125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-59104102407079907232007-09-24T11:37:00.000-04:002007-09-24T11:37:00.000-04:00"All your base are belong to us!""All your base are belong to us!"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-57722659887263394572007-09-23T22:42:00.000-04:002007-09-23T22:42:00.000-04:00re: dumbenufThe event at the Franklin Center just ...re: dumbenuf<BR/>The event at the Franklin Center just days before the ad appeared was advertised as an African American Studies Dept. town meeting. As such, Mark Anthony Neal, as the ranking professor, would have "presided". But he sat at the back of the room that night, though he did participate, and rather aggressively, in the discussion portion of the event. Wahneema, however, sat at the panelists' table with three other women, all of whom presented papers. Wahneema called the meeting to order, and formally moderated the discussion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-17553039871875318242007-09-23T22:05:00.000-04:002007-09-23T22:05:00.000-04:00Anon@ 4:46 PM, dumbenuf to think commenters here a...Anon@ 4:46 PM, dumbenuf to think commenters here are dumb, writes:<BR/><BR/><I>"And about attempts to identify the students who said them, see my post upthread at 11:45am. There's a way to find out if the quotes were authenticated. <BR/><BR/>dumbenuf"</I><BR/><BR/>Here's a concept... YOU use your way to find out if the quotes were authenticated! <BR/><BR/>Then report back to the rest of us.<BR/><BR/>Let me guess ... once upon a time you went on vacation to the Western part of the US and bought one of those maps at a gas station to help you find "hidden treasure" ...<BR/><BR/>One SpookOne Spookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592774438681904368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-87548930388487272412007-09-23T21:03:00.000-04:002007-09-23T21:03:00.000-04:00Steve Horwitz:" But no one is fooled: ultimately, ...Steve Horwitz:<BR/>" But no one is fooled: ultimately, all our bytes belong to them."<BR/><BR/>Shouldn't that be:<BR/>"all our bytes <B>is</B>belong to them"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-88418854788975334132007-09-23T21:01:00.000-04:002007-09-23T21:01:00.000-04:00" Anonymous said... To the 3:33: If I had to pu..." Anonymous said...<BR/><BR/> To the 3:33: If I had to punch a 9-to-5 time clock, the public would be the loser, because I'd happily close up shop and get far, far less work done. The would be especially detrimental to my students, but if it were so decided, I wouldn't protest!<BR/><BR/> 9/22/07 4:05 PM"<BR/><BR/>If you're anything like Wahneemaa or any of the other signers of that ad, less output from you would be a net social benefit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-51284348993113908982007-09-23T16:46:00.000-04:002007-09-23T16:46:00.000-04:00Dear 10:34am on 09/22/07,The forum that Lubiano pr...Dear 10:34am on 09/22/07,<BR/><BR/>The forum that Lubiano presided over is not the forum that the quotes are alleged to come from. Those quotes are alleged to come from a discussed presided over by Mark Neal. And about attempts to identify the students who said them, see my post upthread at 11:45am. There's a way to find out if the quotes were authenticated. <BR/><BR/>dumbenufAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-6180290205691412662007-09-23T16:31:00.000-04:002007-09-23T16:31:00.000-04:003.46It's not Brodhead. The question you should be ...3.46<BR/><BR/>It's not Brodhead. The question you should be posing is "Why can't a brilliant scholar like Larry Summers keep a job at Harvard"?<BR/><BR/>Show me a college president, and I'll show you a coward.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-48607817801363858892007-09-23T15:46:00.000-04:002007-09-23T15:46:00.000-04:00Any progress towards the firing of Brodhead? Pleas...Any progress towards the firing of Brodhead? Please report. If he had any class he would have resigned a long time ago.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-86270322255236710992007-09-23T14:54:00.000-04:002007-09-23T14:54:00.000-04:00anon 10:34am --Interesting observations. Unfortun...anon 10:34am --<BR/><BR/>Interesting observations. Unfortunately, they are impossible to evaluate absent a sense of your own credibility. Can you make (have you made) any statements about that Franklin Center meeting that are on the record?AMachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08872008617279528583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-16516125464351821092007-09-23T10:34:00.000-04:002007-09-23T10:34:00.000-04:00I actually attended the African American Studies D...I actually attended the African American Studies Department town meeting at the Franklin Center which occurred right before the ad was published. That night Wanheema Lubiano presided over a panel of presenters and then moderated a passionate discussion with the audience. I was horrified at the tenor of the discussion, specifically, that I NEVER ONCE heard a single person use the word "alleged" or refer to "the incident" as anything other than a given. The meeting never pretended to discuss what might have happened, but rather, to discuss how to react to what had happened. <BR/>Most important though, while I recognize some but not all of the quotes that appeared in the ad, in more or less the words that were used, there was NEVER, NOT ONCE, any attempt to ascertain the identity of the speakers, to determine if they were indeed Duke undergraduates, and if they were, if their words were specifically describing their experiences on Duke's campus as opposed to in life in general. It was my impression that many did not look young enough to be undergraduate students anywhere. Others clearly identified themselves as affiliated with NC Central. Others I recognized and knew as professors, some grad students, some activists.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-63454605602685855842007-09-23T09:04:00.000-04:002007-09-23T09:04:00.000-04:00Brodhead is either a liar or an idiot to make the ...Brodhead is either a liar or an idiot to make the statement that "the ad was about generalized social or racial issues in society..." given the actual content (numerous direct references to the lacrosse incident and "the woman") and the timing.<BR/><BR/>How obtuse does someone have to be to try to argue that the placement of the ad that coincided with the biggest race/class/gender brouhaha in Duke's history was nothing more than a general statement? According to the Group of 88 and supporters, a racist and sexist environment had existed at Duke for years. Why wasn't such an ad placed in 2001 or 2005, or even March 12, 2006 if these people were so concerned about "generalized social or racial issues in society" or even more explicitly the general racist/sexist (as perceived by the G88) nature of Duke University?<BR/><BR/>Lubiano admitted in this email that it was all about the lacrosse case all the time. Brodhead has to have seen this email. If he hasn't then he is guilty of dereliction of duty by not becoming informed of a major piece of the entire incident. So which is it -- Brodhead the idiot or Brodhead the liar? Hmmmm, maybe it's both.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-47156932397318516222007-09-23T03:54:00.000-04:002007-09-23T03:54:00.000-04:00I am a simple RN - I do not know anyone who sponge...I am a simple RN - I do not know anyone who sponged off their employeer, least al all, the folk working in Emergency Departments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-82546831296852326692007-09-23T03:44:00.000-04:002007-09-23T03:44:00.000-04:00This e-mail issue is like watching lint collect on...This e-mail issue is like watching lint collect on furniture.<BR/><BR/>Who cares?<BR/><BR/>We all know that people sponge off their employers with frequency.Debrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04567454727276881424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-26437903573898388322007-09-23T03:34:00.000-04:002007-09-23T03:34:00.000-04:00For all the corporate e-mail fascists: I avoid usi...For all the corporate e-mail fascists: I avoid using my university e-mail because I am employed by a state university. I don't want any trouble. Duke's policy may permit broader usage. I don't know. Do you?<BR/><BR/>But, if you are really sticky about university e-mail, then you have to recognize that faculty may not use their university e-mail accounts at night--WHEN MANY STUDENTS ARE ON LINE WITH IMPORTANT QUESTIONS--to the detriment of said students. Faculty might just get out of the habit of using e-mail when off campus. I don't think that's necessarily a pedagogical improvement for the students.<BR/><BR/>Some faculty--and this is fair enough--answer student e-mails only during office hours. Others--and I am one--answer e-mails whenever I see them. But, I don't think I would if I were bothered by the likes of the corporate know-it-alls who don't understand that we aren't you. (And thank goodness for that, I say!!! ;-p)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-3718131394484235132007-09-23T00:31:00.000-04:002007-09-23T00:31:00.000-04:00Perhaps we are being too hard on Wahneema. It app...Perhaps we are being too hard on Wahneema. It appears that she used complete sentences and ran her work through a spell checker. Sure she has problems with clear thinking and logic but given the history of Baker and Farred this is an improvement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-90618646539048023822007-09-23T00:18:00.000-04:002007-09-23T00:18:00.000-04:00Thanks for the patient replies Steven. Don't like ...Thanks for the patient replies Steven. Don't like what I'm hearing but, eh. So it goes.<BR/>;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-85541451679351930602007-09-22T23:54:00.000-04:002007-09-22T23:54:00.000-04:00To LB:Lubiano has been very very careful in her re...<I>To LB:<BR/><BR/>Lubiano has been very very careful in her remarks about ESPN. She has stated that she never said anything about driving a stake through the heart of the lacrosse team. But, of course, ESPN never claimed that she said that.</I><BR/><BR/>Precisely so. My question then is how is it that the ESPN sportswriter came to use that exact metaphor? Either he made it up himself out of thin air or she said something to trigger it. Do you have any insight - have you talked to that sportswriter at some point about the origin of that statement?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-55183054554967622132007-09-22T23:51:00.000-04:002007-09-22T23:51:00.000-04:00"Brodhead's silence in the face of the Group's ad-...<I>"Brodhead's silence in the face of the Group's ad--indeed, his usage of rhetoric interchangeable from the Group last April--showed a vacuum of leadership from the top."</I><BR/><BR/>Tonight--while in bed recuperating from a temporary Diva muscle injury--I came upon, by accident, the BookTV program with Stuart and Victoria Toensing, (wife of Joe DeGenova) on C-SPAN.<BR/><BR/>Unfortunately, I just caught the last part of it and Stuart was making similar points regarding Brodhead.<BR/><BR/>I encourage all of you to try and watch this program when it plays again tomorrow. Right now, I'm not sure when, but I'm going to find the schedule.<BR/><BR/>This is an excellent program and there were many provocative questions from the audience.<BR/><BR/>Stuart was quite good. He's more pointed with his words than KC.<BR/><BR/>(At least openly.) LOL!!!Debrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04567454727276881424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-57037715034928616922007-09-22T23:45:00.000-04:002007-09-22T23:45:00.000-04:00There is a very simple way to ascertain whether or...There is a very simple way to ascertain whether or not Lubiano made up the "quotes" from the students or used "quotes" without permission. Simply ask The Chronicle what the policy is for ads that contain anonymous quoted material. No need to speculate; just call the ad department and ask. When I did, last I heard, The Chronicle requires that all anonymous quotes be documented. The person being quoted has to submit an acknowledgment to the newspaper. That way the newspaper is legally protected from students later saying something like "I was there and I didn't say anything like that and now people are saying that I did and they're pissed at me and so I'm going to sue your asses."<BR/><BR/>What Lubiano did was bad enough without a bunch of stupid speculation about made-up quotes or plagiarism from notes. Surely someone who tracked down as much information as KC did about an actual criminal case can nail down something this simple.<BR/><BR/>'Course it's more fun to keep talking about stuff being made up.<BR/><BR/>dumbenufAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-60464693916341255232007-09-22T23:38:00.000-04:002007-09-22T23:38:00.000-04:00Re. Brodhead, of whom I have said very little in t...Re. Brodhead, of whom I have said very little in the past:<BR/><BR/>It's it interesting that if Brodhead had acted strongly last year that by now he would be mentioned for some high political office ... governor, senator, or at minimum a possible cabinet position in the next Democratic administration. Think of Terry Sanford (or Woodrow Wilson, president of Princeton).<BR/><BR/>Instead, he will likely be fired (or will "resign") within two years, since this scandal will never die so long as he is at the helm of Duke.<BR/><BR/>I'm glad to see the judge in Jena deny bail to Mychal Bell, rather than take the Brodhead way of capitulation to the forces of political correctness. I say to steven horwitz that once again the leaders of the legal profession have shown far greater character than the leaders of academia.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-52743367522888331482007-09-22T23:20:00.000-04:002007-09-22T23:20:00.000-04:00Re: "No, steven, the problem with this case was th...Re: "No, steven, the problem with this case was that they allowed their prejudices to override their duty of loyalty to their university and its students."<BR/><BR/>No, the G88 allowed their prejudices to override their duty to support basic civil rights; they sacrificed the human rights of their individual students for what they believed to be the protection of the human rights of society as a whole. In the end, they protected no one and nothing. The econ. dept. simply stated their belief in the protection of the civil rights of their students; which would not have been necessary but for the Listening Statement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-86921522721844228322007-09-22T23:18:00.000-04:002007-09-22T23:18:00.000-04:00Matthew 10:07 said.......In a crisis, the universi...Matthew 10:07 said...<BR/><BR/>....In a crisis, the university wants to speak as one voice. <BR/>...<BR/>...I know as a lifeguard at a YMCA and city pool we are told if an emergency occurs and the media shows up, we are not allowed to talk to them. I would think this is standard operating procedure.<BR/>::<BR/>Yes, your employer is actually doing you a great favor as a lifeguard. If someone within the organization is hatching a story or scheme you are not going to find yourself as part of the story or scheme.<BR/><BR/>More importantly, it is amazing how many students, faculty and staff decide NOT to hatch a story or scheme once they find out the handbook prescribes 'one voice' when the media shows up.<BR/><BR/>You suppose Duke press relations people were feeding rope to the faculty and staff on purpose?<BR/>::<BR/>GPGary Packwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05177986821224068759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-75165868439368797332007-09-22T22:53:00.000-04:002007-09-22T22:53:00.000-04:00steven horwitz said...The problem with this case w...steven horwitz said...<BR/><I>The problem with this case was that they allowed their prejudices to override the truth. </I><BR/><BR/>No, steven, the problem with this case was that they allowed their prejudices to override their duty of loyalty to their university and its students. No matter how much they try to <B>disguise</B> their act of disloyalty by claiming that they acted out of some loyalty to some (unfuggingnamedofcourse) students who "felt threatened by white racism at Duke", everyone with an IQ above 40 knows what their true motivations were.<BR/><BR/><I>steven says .... Would you be concerned about faculty engaging in this sort of behavior if they had taken out an ad to *support* the LAX players (or even do what Econ did?). </I><BR/><BR/>Of course not. Why would <B>anyone</B> be concerned about faculty <B>supporting</B> their students when the students were proclaiming their innocence of charged made by people <B>outside</B> the university community?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-90896156927274565322007-09-22T22:30:00.000-04:002007-09-22T22:30:00.000-04:00To the 10.07a:I did receive the e-mail from one of...To the 10.07a:<BR/><BR/>I did receive the e-mail from one of its recipients, yes.<BR/><BR/>To the 10.07b:<BR/><BR/>Your general critique is one made by PoliSci prof Michael Munger in a perceptive post last December--namely, that the Group created the false impression that it was speaking on behalf of Duke. That was done particularly through the claim that academic departments had endorsed the ad.<BR/><BR/>On the issue of speaking with one voice: principles of academic freedom give wide latitude to what faculty can say. One limitation--the terms of the Faculty Handbook, as should have occurred in this point.<BR/><BR/>Your PR lesson, however, is well taken, and suggests another failure of the administration: Brodhead's silence in the face of the Group's ad--indeed, his usage of rhetoric interchangeable from the Group last April--showed a vacuum of leadership from the top.kcjohnson9https://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-48883404173503095602007-09-22T22:07:00.001-04:002007-09-22T22:07:00.001-04:00To 6:18,Normal operation and having an opinion are...To 6:18,<BR/><BR/>Normal operation and having an opinion are one thing. A PR crisis at a university is another.<BR/><BR/>When I was in an undergrad PR class, we did an exercise in class where we were given a PR crisis (which mirrored one that previously had happened to the college, a fire in a dorm room) and we wrote down the steps we thought on how to handle it. After 10 minutes, we discussed what should happen.<BR/><BR/>First things first, get all the media outlets to a room where they will be briefed throughout the crisis with an emphasis that the university will speak with one voice as to trying to avoid rumor and hearsay.<BR/><BR/>This ad shows how Lubiano clearly thought these players were guilty and thrusting her opinion in a case that did not have enough facts come to light to make an valid opinion. She has the right under free speach, but as a professor she:<BR/><BR/>- Basically denies the right of due process. As a professor, she should know better than to rush to judgement.<BR/><BR/>- It was irresponsible for her to list a department because her own opinion with a few agreeing with her in a specific DOES NOT GIVE HER THE RIGHT TO CLAIM THE DEPARTMENT AGREES WITH HER.<BR/><BR/>- Her quotes from "students" are irresponsible as a professor. In my undergraduate and now graduate school, we are preached about plagiarism. Lubiano put in quotes transcript hand-written notes. She implied they were quotes when in fact not. Also, I am assuming she did not clear with students the context and permission to use them. Finally, did she make sure the quotes were from Duke students as she represented them?<BR/><BR/>She was extremely unprofessional.<BR/><BR/>In a crisis, the university wants to speak as one voice. KC, I am interested to know if at your institution were you ever told/have it in the faculty handbook that you are a representative of the university and if a crisis ever occured to not talk to media? I know as a lifeguard at a YMCA and city pool we are told if an emergency occurs and the media shows up, we are not allowed to talk to them. I would think this is standard operating procedure.<BR/><BR/>Part of this whole lacrosse fiasco continued due to a SANE nurse-in-training giving opinions she most certainly could not give as well as unethical assertions.<BR/><BR/>Everyone has their opinion. But there is a reason there is a press secretary for the white house and if the spokesperson is blind-sided you here "That matter will be covered in the next briefing."<BR/><BR/>If you look at KC's post, he has rarely if ever spoke of his experiences of his employment at Brooklyn College. Why? I assuming because he is an employee and wants to keep his comments and feelings seperate from work. If a lawsuit would be filed, Brooklyn College could not be named as a defendent. Lubiano sent that over university email, sent it out to employees which she asked to agree with her and she had it paid for to put in the student newspaper. If as speculated she paid for the Ad with departmental funds, Duke probably could be named as a party if there was a lawsuit against Lubiano (which she was given shield by the Duke settlement, correct?). This could have been one of the many reasons Duke settled.<BR/><BR/>Anyways, I am off on tangents. I leave with one last question?<BR/><BR/>Is it not INCREDIBLY unprofessional for Lubiano to disguise shorthanded notes taken at a discussion as quotes? Isnt it unprofessional for her to use the quotes without the permission of the "students." Isnt it unprofessional for her to use the quotes without double-checking the context of said quotes?The Random Ramblerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12038017789244905718noreply@blogger.com