tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post3562484371605710063..comments2024-02-24T05:19:10.949-05:00Comments on Durham-in-Wonderland: NPR: Our Side Is the Right Sidekcjohnson9http://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comBlogger90125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-75804249340521159542007-07-20T09:16:00.000-04:002007-07-20T09:16:00.000-04:00Ralph...Point well taken!Ralph...<BR/><BR/>Point well taken!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-39741464590522236022007-07-20T08:04:00.000-04:002007-07-20T08:04:00.000-04:00"The War to Suppress Northern Arrogance -- in defe..."The War to Suppress Northern Arrogance -- in deference to the attitude of all-too-many -- even today"<BR/><BR/>And the events that brought us together on this board indicate to me that that arrogance is still justified.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-88685578747741393422007-07-19T21:59:00.000-04:002007-07-19T21:59:00.000-04:00no justice, no peace @ 7:13The War to Protect Stat...no justice, no peace @ 7:13<BR/><BR/>The War to Protect States Rights -- in deferrence to the true underlying Consitutional cause<BR/><BR/>The War to Suppress Northern Arrogance -- in deference to the attitude of all-too-many -- even today<BR/><BR/>The War of Northern Aggression -- it still is being waged<BR/><BR/>The War Between the States -- a polite moniker<BR/><BR/>The Civil War -- this has always befuddled me ... how can any war be civil?<BR/><BR/>& finally, the name officially given in the records of the Federal government<BR/><BR/>The "War of the Rebellion" --- complete with God-knows-how-many volumes cataloging every scene, battle, skirmish, quiet moment and the orders and communications between friends and foe alike.<BR/><BR/>In that record, I particularly like the communications between combatants, such as:<BR/><BR/>"General My-enemy-on-any-other-occassion:<BR/><BR/>Sir, may I have the Honor of addressing the current field and suggest that a cessation of hostilties is in order, so that the dead and wonded can receive appropriate care. With humility and all due respect, I will remain in your debt for a showing of such mercy. Signed General Somebody-really-important"<BR/><BR/>When finished, they'd fight again.<BR/><BR/>Can you imagine Al Qaeda behaing like this? Simple answer: NO.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-82651540784339859892007-07-19T20:09:00.000-04:002007-07-19T20:09:00.000-04:00Did this interview occur during Car Talk? Prairie ...Did this interview occur during Car Talk? Prairie Home Companion? No?<BR/><BR/>Ok, then there's no chance that I heard it because the rest of NPR is absolute GARBAGE!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-64247315655126048312007-07-19T19:13:00.000-04:002007-07-19T19:13:00.000-04:0011:40 Inman, you are refering to the War of Northe...11:40 Inman, you are refering to the War of Northern Agression are you not?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-55252580615785505462007-07-19T19:07:00.000-04:002007-07-19T19:07:00.000-04:0010:58 WMD may be a better question for the Kurds. ...10:58 WMD may be a better question for the Kurds. <BR/><BR/>One can argue wheterh taking the fight to the enemy is better or worse than waiting for them to bring it to us. History will sort that out.<BR/><BR/>What is clear is that no where in the constitution does it say we should be supporting the NEA/NPR/PBS. The problem becomes acute when you analyze the tax payer supported reporting in the context of the Duke hoax.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-12661790636780977392007-07-19T18:58:00.000-04:002007-07-19T18:58:00.000-04:006:38 Polankskis, One doesn't have any say in what ...6:38 Polankskis, One doesn't have any say in what one has extorted from them to pay for NPR. That's a substantive difference versus the biased reporting from the NYT and others that one can refrain from buying. What's not to agree about that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-31877314453645933882007-07-19T18:49:00.000-04:002007-07-19T18:49:00.000-04:00re "class"Word no longer has meaning.Gentleman, ho...re "class"<BR/><BR/>Word no longer has meaning.<BR/><BR/>Gentleman, honesty, integrity--these are concepts with meaning.<BR/><BR/>And by using the word "class" you're buying in to the diversity pimps' nomenclature.<BR/><BR/>PolanskiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-20747310046123947122007-07-19T18:40:00.000-04:002007-07-19T18:40:00.000-04:00SimonI was on set today. I usually sign posts (unl...Simon<BR/><BR/>I was on set today. I usually sign posts (unless I forget or I have an "urge").<BR/><BR/>PolanskiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-68784596290796668832007-07-19T18:38:00.000-04:002007-07-19T18:38:00.000-04:00NPR bashersI don't like biased reporting either; p...NPR bashers<BR/><BR/>I don't like biased reporting either; pray tell, where does one seek out perfecly objective news?<BR/><BR/>PolanskiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-63781032145700371612007-07-19T18:37:00.000-04:002007-07-19T18:37:00.000-04:00Jul 19, 2007 10:56:00 AMPolanski is that you?I kin...Jul 19, 2007 10:56:00 AM<BR/><BR/>Polanski is that you?<BR/><BR/>I kind of like disease vectors. Its a physics thing.M. Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09508934110558197375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-13314404412527067812007-07-19T17:03:00.000-04:002007-07-19T17:03:00.000-04:00http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?story...http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=3874941<BR/><BR/>Yes, Simon is an NPR reporter, and IMHO we are obligated to do our own research, Dr. Johnson is not paid for this and has no staff.<BR/><BR/>AJAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-16601041362883588902007-07-19T16:30:00.000-04:002007-07-19T16:30:00.000-04:00JLS 12:52The 'angry studies" folks have learned t...JLS 12:52<BR/><BR/>The 'angry studies" folks have learned the same lesson only more so. <BR/><BR/>Duke's AAAS got promoted to full department status after it was clear it was all a hoax. This implies that no matter how obviously bogus their cause it, if they can work themselves up into a big enough tantrum the university administration will give some goodies to shut them up.<BR/><BR/>In the near future I expect to see some campus brouhahas over completely fictional incidents. Want better parking spaces for the AAAS faculty? No need to fake a hate crime so you can declare a campus-wide racism crisis - just declare that one happened, ignore anyone who says otherwise, and get out there with the signs and kitchen implements.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-24960578341958849272007-07-19T13:24:00.000-04:002007-07-19T13:24:00.000-04:00NPRNubian Dancers in Their Native EnvironmentAn in...NPR<BR/>Nubian Dancers in Their Native Environment<BR/><BR/>An interview with the Dr. Reverend M. Hankins Duke, <BR/>Pastor of Ebeneezer Providence Baptist Prophetic Assembly Temple International.<BR/><BR/>Interviewer: M. Coates Dilly<BR/><BR/>Setting:<BR/>A quiet estabishment, tables being set up,<BR/>a collapsable dance pole being re-erected, lights and sound system<BR/>tests in the background.<BR/><BR/>D: "Dr. Duke - should I call you Dr.?"<BR/><BR/>Dr. Rev: "Of course call me Dr.!"<BR/><BR/>D: "OK...tell me something about your relationship<BR/>with these dancers - exotic dancers?<BR/><BR/>Dr. Rev.: "We prefer to call them 'aesthetically pleasing athlete/entertainers.'"<BR/><BR/>D: "Isn't it a little inconsistent that you - well -<BR/>don't criticize these dancers?"<BR/><BR/>Dr. Rev.: "Yeah? You Catholic?<BR/>I don't see you sayin' nothin' about you nancy-boys in<BR/>they pretty robes, BF'n the<BR/>choir boys!"<BR/><BR/>D: "Sorry, Dr. Duke; no offense intended. What I mean is..."<BR/><BR/>Dr. Rev.: "I KNOW what you mean. You gonna criticize our Nubian Princesses, that's what you MEAN!"<BR/><BR/>D: "Let's try again: tell us about 'Samples.' How does she<BR/>fit into your congregation?"<BR/><BR/>Dr. Rev.: "She fits just fine, thank you."<BR/><BR/>D: "Is she going to perform tonight?"<BR/><BR/>Dr. Rev: "No, I hear she hasn't been feeling well lately." <BR/><BR/>D: "I know you've heard of the criticism..."<BR/><BR/>Dr. Rev.: "She hasn't been feeling well. Stop trying to make me criticize a Sister."<BR/><BR/>We took a short break as the music was being<BR/>pumped up, along with the lights.<BR/>There was a distinct odor of chorine emanating from the bathroom, and the energy of the place was almost pulsating.<BR/><BR/>D: "Do you wear gold chains?"<BR/><BR/>Dr. Rev: "Is you ignorant? I wear rangs; rangs and robes. Dealers <BR/>wear chains; I wear rangs. See?" <BR/>(he shows me his many rings)<BR/><BR/>D: "Are you a full-time Pastor?"<BR/><BR/>Dr. Rev.: "No, it part-time.<BR/>I do other stuff. Dogs, numbers...Mike Vick kind of stuff."<BR/><BR/>D: "Other stuff?"<BR/><BR/>Dr. Rev: "You think I drive a white stretch on money from little old ladies?"<BR/><BR/>D: "I see your point." <BR/><BR/>Dr. Rev: "Now shut up; shows about to begin."<BR/><BR/>We watch intently as the native Durhamites perform,<BR/>the Reverend's eyes pasted to their<BR/>every move.<BR/>As the evening passed, I couldn't help but think of myself in<BR/>the words of the immortal T.S. Lewis:<BR/><BR/>"I should have been a pair of ragged claws <BR/>Scuttling across the floors of <BR/>silent seas."<BR/><BR/>I found myself strangely attracted to and simultaneously<BR/>repulsed by the "peaches" on display, and I sympathized with<BR/>the poet in the most profound ways.<BR/><BR/>End of NPR segment IV<BR/><BR/>Next:<BR/>An interview with Tara Levicymachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14248016116043347912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-91409892593355011582007-07-19T12:52:00.000-04:002007-07-19T12:52:00.000-04:00JLS says....,re: Ralph PhelanTouche' on the issue ...JLS says....,<BR/><BR/>re: <B>Ralph Phelan</B><BR/><BR/>Touche' on the issue of what the media learned.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-76062005527075188332007-07-19T11:52:00.000-04:002007-07-19T11:52:00.000-04:00Inman,Thank you. I suspect you have a great deal ...Inman,<BR/>Thank you. I suspect you have a great deal of (PS) class, too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-33472200949223396802007-07-19T11:50:00.000-04:002007-07-19T11:50:00.000-04:00"9:11 "Leg work?" I don't have time nor do I have ..."9:11 "Leg work?" I don't have time nor do I have the inclination to subject myself to the bullshit that spews constantly from NPR."<BR/><BR/>If you don't have the time or the inclination to check the accuracy of what you're saying, why are you saying it? It seems you're kindred spirits with the potbangers; when faced with the possibility that there might be evidence contradicting your loud public declarations, you don't do the intellectually honest thing and investigate, you simply raise your voice from a shout to a scream.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-76935019716602865502007-07-19T11:48:00.000-04:002007-07-19T11:48:00.000-04:00Earlier in this thread, Anon NPR Supporter (ANS) m...Earlier in this thread, Anon NPR Supporter (ANS) made three important comments.<BR/><BR/><I>At 2:49am:</I><BR/><BR/>“KC, Your comments today are fairly brief for so long a period as you are addressing. They are also limited to two people's reporting. You would do your readers a favor if you would practice what you preach: more balanced reporting.<BR/><BR/>"How about some mention of other NPR reporting, even if it doesn't fit so neatly into your argument?”<BR/><BR/><I>At 6:41am:</I><BR/><BR/>“dear 5:51, there was a madeleine brand interview on december 26, for example.<BR/><BR/>"if you accept that npr reports may have a different view than you do, but are still careful to use the words alleged, allegedly, and reportedly and the like, you may conclude that npr reporting was not quite so black and white as kc has presented it.”<BR/><BR/><I>At 9:11am:</I><BR/><BR/>“7:18, that one [madeleine brand interview of 12/26/06] came to mind. i don't have time to do your leg work for you. Go to the npr website and pull up lacrosse reports and discussions. do not depend on kc's reports on the reporting of two npr employees only. listen for yourself. there are audiocasts.”<BR/><BR/><BR/>ANS –-<BR/><BR/>Why didn’t you provide links in your comments? If you don’t know how, use Google to find a web tutorial on using the “href” command in HTML. Or go to <A HREF="http://www.tinyurl.com" REL="nofollow">www.tinyurl.com</A> and use their service.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="HTTP://WWW.NPR.ORG/SEARCH.PHP?SORT=DREDATE:NUMBERDECREASING&START=0&TOPICID=0&PRGID=0&HOW_LONG_AGO=0&MATCHANY=FALSE&AGGID=0&STOPWORDS=FALSE&SOUNDEX=FALSE&TEXT=DUKE%20LACROSSE%20RAPE" REL="nofollow">Here</A> are the 79 stories that “Duke lacrosse rape” finds with the NPR.org search engine.<BR/><BR/>Madeline Brand’s 12/26/06 interview of KC Johnson co-author Stuart Taylor is <A HREF="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6677709" REL="nofollow">here</A>. In the aftermath of the revelation of the DNA conspiracy (etc.), it is a balanced explanation of the state of the case. As ANS implied at 6:41am.<BR/><BR/>By the way, were the stories that K.C. discussed the <I>only</I> examples of biased reporting and commentery? Ed Gordon covered breaking news of the case in the 3/30/06 <A HREF="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5311829" REL="nofollow">News & Notes Roundtable</A> (starting at 0’35”). At 3’00”, here is commenter Walter Fields desribing the case. “The environment in many of these athletic teams… ([including] uncontrolled drinking) lends itself to these kinds of behavior where women are attacked and assaulted… [It] lends itself to the irresponsible climate these universities allow… which leads to this kind of criminal activity [the group rape].” Not many insertions of the word “alleged” that I noticed. <BR/><BR/>ANS, now that you know how to link (see above), please point out the stories in which NPR accounts for its performance. Take your time… I didn’t see <I>that</I> entry in the search results.<BR/><BR/>In summary, ANS is slyly asserting that a "fair" story balances out an "unfair" one--<I>No Harm, No Foul.</I> This is similar to what New York Times Editor Bill Keller said to the author of the AJR piece: 'Well gee whiz, <I>eventually</I> we got part of the story right--good enough for us!' Both ANS and Keller seem to believe that decent stories that ran once the Hoax was alrady collapsing should redeem a news organization for participating in the Mainstream Media Stampede of the Spring and Summer. <BR/><BR/><B>”There is no need for a public accounting of our <I>alleged</I> misconduct.”</B> Does that excuse have a familiar ring, yet?<BR/><BR/>If ANS’ apologias were meant as more than Talking Points, I think he or she would have provided details and links, helping readers judge the strength of the evidence for themselves. <BR/><BR/>This is another case where unsourced assertions turn out to be yet weaker than they first appear. Something that ANS’ comments have in common with most of the writings contributed by Defenders of the Enablers of the Hoax.AMachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08872008617279528583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-6574557561960788322007-07-19T11:42:00.000-04:002007-07-19T11:42:00.000-04:00To 11:27:Excellent observations regaring class. I ...To 11:27:<BR/><BR/>Excellent observations regaring class. I particularly agree with your "PS" as a standard for determining class.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-35473135032295258072007-07-19T11:40:00.001-04:002007-07-19T11:40:00.001-04:00duke09parent @ 11:18Well spoken about open-minded ...duke09parent @ 11:18<BR/><BR/>Well spoken about open-minded people. I'm also mid 50's and my grandfather was born on a farm in Surry County VA, a farm that had been in the family for generations. The War to Protect States Rights (not to mention foraging by Federal troops to support the Siege at Petersburg) and reconstruction resulted in the economic decline of my family to the point that they "lost" the farm in the early 1900's. Frankly, they were among the lucky because many others "lost" their, shall I say, "way" much earlier. They were reduced to subsistence. But then, those things happen.<BR/><BR/>That legacy is also not too far removed from current generations.<BR/><BR/>And it seems to me that the different paradigms may point to a singular ethic. That despite disparate backgrounds, the good of this country is built on justice and the notion of innocent until proven guilty. And that applies to all.<BR/><BR/>Also, perhaps we should re-evaluate the notion of "innocent until proven guilty"...wouldn't it be better to think of someone as "innocent until, and only if, proven guilty." The first phrasing seems more deterministic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-77669880058523098452007-07-19T11:40:00.000-04:002007-07-19T11:40:00.000-04:00Duke U is trying to get their name in the media wi...Duke U is trying to get their name in the media with something other than the phony rape debacle. <BR/><BR/>So they're latching to the iPhone's popularity in a desparate ploy. <BR/><BR/>Duke: iPhone May Be Disrupting Network<BR/>http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070719/D8QFKTP80.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-34987162671015932502007-07-19T11:27:00.000-04:002007-07-19T11:27:00.000-04:00To my thinking, and I believe in the context of th...To my thinking, and I believe in the context of the LAX case, "class" refers to socio-economic characteristics: money, education, standard of living, status in work and community, access to a certain lifestyle. In reality, those characteristics also apply to people with NO CLASS: Paris Hilton and Rosie O'Donnell come to mind. But I think in the "narrative: here, most people would believeit to be framed in the context of socio-economic terms only. PS -- the 3 young men ALSO exhibited "class" of extraordinary measure using the definition of strength of character, standards of personal and civil behavior.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-32234240344102573902007-07-19T11:24:00.000-04:002007-07-19T11:24:00.000-04:00Ralph: Good points, but let me comment on your fin...Ralph: Good points, but let me comment on your final statement that black Tarheels hate Yankees as much as white ones. I don't think the term "hate" is accurate as far as this white Tarheel is concerned. We recognize there is a difference in perspective between the South and the North, but perhaps "aversion" is a closer description. One more thing: we in the Outer Banks welcome Yankees and their money every summer, but it gets tiresome by the middle of August when we have been asked for the hundredth time "how far is it between mileposts?" and "What's that ocean there?" by you sophisticated Yankees.;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-32177125000090943432007-07-19T11:22:00.000-04:002007-07-19T11:22:00.000-04:00...Dr. Farred: "Exactly. It's all a matter of the ...<I>...Dr. Farred: "Exactly. It's all a matter of the 'X,' <B>simple as XYZ.</B>" </I><BR/><BR/>All that just to tell Juan his fly was open???<BR/><BR/>DM..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-7399180611236691212007-07-19T11:18:00.000-04:002007-07-19T11:18:00.000-04:00*************The NCers seem very parochial in that...*************<BR/>The NCers seem very parochial in that they think the history of slavery is as important to the entire country as it is to them. When I was growing up in the NY Metro area (as did two of the defendants, though much later than me) we spent a lot more school time on Ellis Island and the immigrant experience - quite understandable, given how many of my classmates' ancestors came through Ellis Island.<BR/>*****************8<BR/><BR/>Sometimes getting middle and high school students interested in history requires studying parts of history that have relevance to the students, like you described in NY. In NC, slavery and its legacies are more relevant to NC students. I'm mid 50's and my dad was born and raised in central NC on a subsistence farm his stepfather owned and worked himself. I remember well as a child riding by sharecroppers' houses and having the concept of sharecropping explained to me. That legacy is not too far removed from current generations. <BR/><BR/>Open minded people still have paradigms but are able to be persuaded with facts that show a situation doesn't fit one's preconception.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com