tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post3690810230079720070..comments2024-02-24T05:19:10.949-05:00Comments on Durham-in-Wonderland: Nifong in Law Reviewskcjohnson9http://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comBlogger69125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-90988225513849936472007-08-15T15:23:00.000-04:002007-08-15T15:23:00.000-04:0011:31 Who Cares? this is a blog - not a term paper...11:31 Who Cares? this is a blog - not a term paper. Disturbing is starving and abused childre - not a stupid misspelling.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-22732798474237764692007-08-15T11:31:00.000-04:002007-08-15T11:31:00.000-04:007:14, please use the "g" key when writing words li...7:14, please use the "g" key when writing words like "guess". You and some others have been using the "q" key.<BR/><BR/>Very disturbing, unless you need glasses or something.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-60708047359921814642007-08-15T07:14:00.000-04:002007-08-15T07:14:00.000-04:00There is no evidence that Cy was the strategizor, ...There is no evidence that Cy was the strategizor, Just quess work. the woman has never said one word in public. Nifong needed no help in persecuting these guys - just his own arrangance and brain.<BR/>As it looks like most people are not going to be called to testify -the "who will plead the fifth" votes are probaboy way off,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-58150312276424687322007-08-15T00:40:00.000-04:002007-08-15T00:40:00.000-04:00Gregory @ 6:54I've struggled with the extra credit...Gregory @ 6:54<BR/><BR/>I've struggled with the extra credit questions, but I'll give it my best.<BR/><BR/>Answers:<BR/><BR/>1)Jockey straps are confining and accordingly are not appropriate symbols in a free thinking world. But brassieres are also confining and accordingly confinement cannot be the basis upon which a judgment is made. So my answer is this: the square root of four is two. <BR/><BR/>2)Farms are nice places to raise kids. Goats, in a specieist perspective, are like people. Their offspring are kids. Young goats can be taught to race on command. Accordingly, kids are racist farm animals. QED.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-29717315645423980132007-08-15T00:33:00.000-04:002007-08-15T00:33:00.000-04:00His wife should bear some responsibility as well. ...His wife should bear some responsibility as well. There is more than enough evidence that she was the main Nifong-for-DA strategizer.<BR/>That creep is full of the "women's issues" and "race issues" agenda.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-85466853788401133482007-08-14T23:38:00.000-04:002007-08-14T23:38:00.000-04:00JLS says...,These writers in law reviews are of co...JLS says...,<BR/><BR/>These writers in law reviews are of course missing the entire point.<BR/>Despite whatever the technical bar charges were, Nifong was sanctioned because:<BR/><BR/>1. He took action against people he could have easly and should have known were innocent.<BR/><BR/>2. He took this action to racially inflame Durham to win an election he was about to lose.<BR/><BR/>Had he not done 1 and 2, that is had their actually been a crime his statements to the press would not have led to him being sanctioned. So all this talk about ethics and talking to the press is beside the point. <BR/><BR/>As far as commenting on the work of scholars. Even though the 88 gangsters position has little merit in their disciplines, it has even less merit in the case of law reviews that are editted by students.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-20422441500110342612007-08-14T18:54:00.000-04:002007-08-14T18:54:00.000-04:00Inman, your extra credit questions:1. Is it misogy...Inman, your extra credit questions:<BR/><BR/>1. Is it misogynistic to question a Duke professor for grading based upon a student's use or non-use of a jock strap?<BR/><BR/>2. Is it racist to call into question the character of a person of one race who called people of another race, "farm animals"?<BR/><BR/>______________<BR/><BR/>"In the year 3535, K.C.-borg is still alive, PC has already died ...." Zager & Evans. MOO! GregoryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-5977899039865187972007-08-14T18:17:00.000-04:002007-08-14T18:17:00.000-04:00Gregory,I answered yes to 8 out of 7 of your quest...Gregory,<BR/><BR/>I answered yes to 8 out of 7 of your questions.<BR/><BR/>Do I get extra credit?!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-51254872716208578612007-08-14T17:06:00.000-04:002007-08-14T17:06:00.000-04:00I know it seems a "pile-on" on Professor Horwitz, ...I know it seems a "pile-on" on Professor Horwitz, but I can't help but take a running leap myself. I am concerned with your definition of "racisim" and how that definition may "chill" speech on this blog or elsewhere. <BR/><BR/>Is it racist to request that people take a second look at diversity quotas or diversity hires?<BR/><BR/>Is it racist to suggest that other people were racists?<BR/><BR/>Is it racist to say that an academic work is poorly written and/or basically useless?<BR/><BR/>Is it racist to ask a Black person to apologize?<BR/><BR/>Is it racist to ask a White person to apologize?<BR/><BR/>Is it racist to ask a Lesbian or Gay person to apologize?<BR/><BR/>Is it racist to expect a person to refrain from hypocrisy?<BR/><BR/>Is it racist to use the word "lynch" for something other than the lynching of African-Americans from 1860 to 1940?<BR/><BR/>If you answered "yes" to any of the foregoing questions, my follow-up questions are:<BR/><BR/>1. Is that just your opinion, or is it codified somewhere I can fact-check? <BR/><BR/>2. Isn't it racist (or genderist) to think that the Klan of 88 have so little backbone that they cannot take the scrutiny or the heat? <BR/>______________<BR/><BR/>It is amazing to me that, for over a year, K.C. Johnson has stood toe-to-toe with 87 other academics in a battle of ideas, and the 87 have yet to land a single blow. It's like varsity versus the JV, except you would expect 87 JV players to smear just one varsity player. <BR/>______________<BR/><BR/>As for the "crumb bouncing off an elephant" remark, there are greater stakes than just Duke University or even "academia." I expect K.C. Johnson's book to sell very well in Durham and at some universities, but I also expect it will be a NATIONAL bestseller. People in California and on the United States Supreme Court who have yet to act will read it. Synergy, my man! <BR/><BR/>________________<BR/><BR/>"In the year 2525, if K.C.-borg is still alive. If PC can survive...." Zager & Evans. MOO! GregoryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-32504433830702365882007-08-14T16:16:00.000-04:002007-08-14T16:16:00.000-04:00Steven:I purposefully picked a short one.But pleas...Steven:<BR/><BR/>I purposefully picked a short one.<BR/><BR/>But please, analyze that piece in the context of market dynamics and equilibirum concepts applied to racial tension juxtaposed against capitalist profit motives, power politics and privileged possessions. (Haha -- but only partially kidding!))<BR/><BR/>Also, why did the white interloper in Hawaii focus on sugar cane and not pineapple?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-85795144026209162962007-08-14T15:54:00.000-04:002007-08-14T15:54:00.000-04:00To clarify on the 3.32:Baker's a member of the Cul...To clarify on the 3.32:<BR/><BR/>Baker's a member of the Cult. Anthro. Department, and some of the questions in his scholarship mirror Chafe's. The purpose of the Group profile posts is to avoid duplication as possible.kcjohnson9https://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-45384464277837482192007-08-14T15:46:00.000-04:002007-08-14T15:46:00.000-04:00Inman:Assignment received, accepted, downloaded, a...Inman:<BR/><BR/>Assignment received, accepted, downloaded, and printed. It's short enough to read this evening and write up a few thoughts in the morning.Steven Horwitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00470758334242360804noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-47410606901952809122007-08-14T15:32:00.001-04:002007-08-14T15:32:00.001-04:00I should note:I'm profiling other members of the C...I should note:<BR/><BR/>I'm profiling other members of the Cultural Anthro. department, and the following week, to conclude the series, the highest-profile member of the 88, Bill Chafe.<BR/><BR/>But I consider Baker--unlike many in the Group--to be a serious scholar. It's also worth noting that he has, at least, made conciliatory remarks about the statement, even if he hasn't apologized, and therefore has gone further than any other Group member but Arlie Petters.kcjohnson9https://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-81726197215644321242007-08-14T15:32:00.000-04:002007-08-14T15:32:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.kcjohnson9https://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-9641885288648747152007-08-14T15:26:00.000-04:002007-08-14T15:26:00.000-04:003:09Very good. I'd like to hear something honest f...3:09<BR/>Very good. I'd like to hear something honest from Horwitz as well. Not some blasé doom and gloom on Johnson's book.<BR/>(Wishin' and hopin' that it won't make any difference after people have read it.)<BR/>Cloak and dagger, I'd say.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-74812719031125417582007-08-14T15:15:00.000-04:002007-08-14T15:15:00.000-04:00Steven,Okay, here is your assignment if you want t...Steven,<BR/><BR/>Okay, here is your assignment if you want to accept it:<BR/><BR/>L.D. Baker. "Profit, Power, and Privilege: The Racial Politics of Ancestry." Souls: A Critical Journal of Black Politics, Culture and Society vol. 3 no. 4 ( 2001.): 66-72. [pdf] [abs] <BR/><BR/>A pdf can be found at Lee Baker's website.<BR/><BR/>_________________________________<BR/><BR/>This blogger will self-destruct in 10 seconds...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-26287040759571371692007-08-14T15:09:00.000-04:002007-08-14T15:09:00.000-04:00"What I have done is try to at least imagine why o..."What I have done is try to at least imagine why others might take their work seriously."<BR/><BR/>I understand, and I can see how taking that as a defense is a misinterpretation of what you're doing.<BR/><BR/>But to my taste what the activity described above is not very interesting. It's kind of like trying to figure out why some people take Scientology seriously. <BR/><BR/>I'd much rather hear your views on whether you believe you should take them seriously, whether the rest of the university should take them seriously, and by what mechanism a university should decide who to take seriously.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-47263134045373658032007-08-14T15:04:00.000-04:002007-08-14T15:04:00.000-04:00The 88 brought scrutiny upon themselves by signing...The 88 brought scrutiny upon themselves by signing on to that repulsive listening statement (and then lying about the statement's intent). They richly deserve whatever unease they feel: it was a heckuva lot more than unease that they wished upon the LAX accused. <BR/><BR/>Why look at their "scholarship"? Rather, why would one not? To claim that the 88's ideological prejudices had nothing to do with their signatures on that statement is simply preposterous. <BR/><BR/>Anyway, if KC's criticism is so poor and pointless, why not ignore it? Or, if his profiles are unfair, why not take out an ad and attack them?<BR/><BR/>As for why these profiles may seem to some like beating dead horses, well... those mangy horses are not dead, and there are 88 of them.Jamiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12954323595317825201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-57325438848731375862007-08-14T14:57:00.000-04:002007-08-14T14:57:00.000-04:00Steven Horwitz at 2:23 replies:" ...I'm not a G88 ...Steven Horwitz at 2:23 replies:<BR/><BR/><I>" ...I'm not a G88 butt-kisser ..."</I><BR/><BR/>Maybe that reply might have been better added to the acceptance of that poster's compliment.<BR/><BR/>And, I had previously read your CV; you most assuredly ARE a capitalist, sir!<BR/><BR/>With respect to "Charitable Interpetation," I probably have too much anger about these issues to extend even a modicum of civility to this Klan of 88.<BR/><BR/>My bad.<BR/><BR/>One SpookOne Spookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592774438681904368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-62765990541781419952007-08-14T14:46:00.000-04:002007-08-14T14:46:00.000-04:00Spook,Can you please dispense with Klan of 88? It ...Spook,<BR/><BR/>Can you please dispense with Klan of 88? It sounds stupid mostly.These people should not be compared to lynchers, as much as you think they should.<BR/><BR/>As to effect of KC's book--what Taylor and Johnson have going for them is this equation:<BR/><BR/>preferential treatment (PT) + lowered academic standards (LAS)= racism (R) + rush to judgment (RJ)<BR/><BR/>PT + LAS = R + RJ<BR/><BR/>If anyone takes the time to study the state antidiscrimination referenda in places like California, you'll know that the people are getting fed up with preferential treatment for blacks.<BR/><BR/>What happened at Duke is a natural consequence of affirmative action.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-78048366763911233142007-08-14T14:42:00.000-04:002007-08-14T14:42:00.000-04:00To the always anonymous 7:50 am and others,Here, A...To the always anonymous 7:50 am and others,<BR/><BR/>Here, <A HREF="http://durhamwonderland.blogspot.com/2007/08/furies.html#comment-8842929155785090789" REL="nofollow">AMac provides a wonderful tutorial</A> for any G88 member in good standing (or G88 aspirant or G88 apologist) in the art of effective blog commentary. <BR/><BR/>But more importantly, upon successful completion of AMac’s course, a G88’er could, of course, use the end product to “punch-up” an otherwise embarrassingly thin resume′ of “scholarly” publications.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-87492532695282816542007-08-14T14:30:00.000-04:002007-08-14T14:30:00.000-04:00Just look at the list of people who've reviewed Pr...Just look at the list of people who've reviewed Professor Johnson's book. Read what they have to say. This is not an ordinary campus produced story put into print, and from what I have been reading here the last few days from his detractors and critics, EVERY PROFESSOR AROUND IS EITHER JEALOUS OF HIM OR SCARED TO DEATH THAT THEY ARE IN IT!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-89976994266793629202007-08-14T14:23:00.000-04:002007-08-14T14:23:00.000-04:00Aw, you're all talking about me...Look, I haven't ...Aw, you're all talking about me...<BR/><BR/>Look, I haven't pretended to give a critical assessment of the content of the G88's work. I HAVE criticized their behavior toward their students in no uncertain terms. <BR/><BR/>What I have done is try to at least imagine why others might take their work seriously.<BR/><BR/>But if you insist, and if it's necessary for me to demonstrate to the skeptics that I'm not a G88 butt-kisser (one look at my cv online should dissuade you of that), someone pick a prominent paper by one of the G88 social scientists for me to read and review. I'll be happy to do it.Steven Horwitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00470758334242360804noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-17964952745724366732007-08-14T14:07:00.000-04:002007-08-14T14:07:00.000-04:001:49You possess a great capacity for sleuthing. Ho...1:49<BR/>You possess a great capacity for sleuthing. Horwitz has played no role at all. I tend to agree with you that some of the rats are coming out of their holes lately. So much "advice" for Professor Johnson, as well as criticism.<BR/>He takes it all in stride. Mark of a real man who knows what he's doing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-10128813747363184222007-08-14T13:49:00.000-04:002007-08-14T13:49:00.000-04:00In following this Blog nearly since its inception,...In following this Blog nearly since its inception, I find Jack Straw's reply at 10:29 to be the best comment I have seen to date. <BR/><BR/>Thank you, Jack.<BR/><BR/>Many of you have presented my major concern, that of this 7:50 poster's ad hominem attacks and lack of examples cited --- I'll not add to that.<BR/><BR/>But what really struck me was this 7:50 poster's reference to Professor Horwitz, gushingly using the familiar "Steven" (the old "good professor/bad professor ruse):<BR/><BR/><I>One of the reasons that I like Steven's contributions to this forum is that he leavens his criticisms of scholars with a measure of generosity of spirit towards their work.</I><BR/><BR/>I mean no disrespect but, unless I overlooked it, Horwitz has not provided any "criticism of scholars" to the degree of KC's parsing of the "scholarship" of some of the Klan of 88 we've seen here.<BR/><BR/>But that fact didn't prevent Horwitz from replying, <BR/><I>"Thank you. I was "intellectually raised" to abide by the "Principle of Charitable Interpretation."</I><BR/><BR/>Please. It is painful to see a man dislocate his elbow patting himself on the back.<BR/><BR/>The words and actions of this Klan of 88 abetted efforts to railroad three innocent men into jail. I believe we are way beyond a time when discourse with these charlatans needs to be "charitable." Is it not obvious that their agenda-driven "scholarship" is <I>dangerous</I>? Where then is a requirement that we tell them to go to hell in a manner that they look forward to the trip?<BR/><BR/>KC has provided an honest, fair and candid assessment of the "work" of members of the 88, and not one commenter has offered any reasonable argument to the contrary.<BR/><BR/>I'm not opposed to "edgy" and off beat, non-traditional ideas surfacing in the academy.But, if "peer reviewers" and other members of the academy had identified in frank terms what this so-called "scholarship" was at the outset, we would not be where we are today with these poseurs in positions of power and influence in our universities.<BR/><BR/>One SpookOne Spookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592774438681904368noreply@blogger.com