tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post4038871846046365586..comments2024-02-24T05:19:10.949-05:00Comments on Durham-in-Wonderland: Census Coincidenceskcjohnson9http://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-65662642763236874672006-12-05T09:20:00.000-05:002006-12-05T09:20:00.000-05:00KC-
Thank you for putting this info out there. Th...KC-<br />Thank you for putting this info out there. This is just the sort of thing that I was thinking about as this all unfolded and the players like Collin's picture ended up in the paper. I was thinking--she better have already identified the suspects because now she's going to have an easy time of it. You are documenting so much here. I remember hearing that Victoria Peterson went on a radio program in Durham talking about suing Dave's parents as the co-signers on the lease. I look forward to you putting all of this into a book because it seems more like an over the top novel than real life. It is so sad and disappointing...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-59136270280432592962006-12-03T14:57:00.000-05:002006-12-03T14:57:00.000-05:00Anonymous 12:37 am---
We are able to see enough f...Anonymous 12:37 am---<br /><br />We are able to see enough from those photos. Who cares what her face looks like. Enough can be seen of the rest which shows someone who definitely is no Tyra Banks. Whoopie Goldberg, maybe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-31030718065682476242006-12-03T00:37:00.000-05:002006-12-03T00:37:00.000-05:00Does anyone know if the AV is truly homely and fat...Does anyone know if the AV is truly homely and fat? It's sounds counterintuitive, given her stripping career. Any photos of her on the 'Net?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-57306240871761639472006-12-02T21:42:00.000-05:002006-12-02T21:42:00.000-05:00HUH?HUH?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-58373273306760938982006-12-02T21:38:00.000-05:002006-12-02T21:38:00.000-05:00KC, I read somewhere that Mark Gottlieb gave a 30 ...KC, I read somewhere that Mark Gottlieb gave a 30 plus page statement/report from memory. Do you or any of your readers have a link to that report? <br />ThanksThe Dudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07417776000068927222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-43291522984043157782006-12-02T20:10:00.000-05:002006-12-02T20:10:00.000-05:00no, it's not interesting
do not contact jim clyne...no, it's not interesting<br /><br />do not contact jim clyneAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-47242460211609259222006-12-02T19:18:00.000-05:002006-12-02T19:18:00.000-05:00To the 12.23 parent:
Yes, this is very interestin...To the 12.23 parent:<br /><br />Yes, this is very interesting information. Please contact me with the details.kcjohnson9https://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-48012240151282848062006-12-02T17:17:00.000-05:002006-12-02T17:17:00.000-05:00There has been a lot of discussion on the AV and w...There has been a lot of discussion on the AV and who possibly helped her. How about Kim roberts? She made the 911 call and then drove away with the AV in her vehicle. Then she contacted security at a nearby mall and claimed she had no idea who the person in her vehicle was but said the female refused to get out. This does not seem like an honest person. She seems like part of the scam and then tried to<br />deny knowing the AV yet she danced with her. Much later she started giving interviews like 60 minutes and the claim that a few days after the party the AV said "she wanted to make the white boys pay" This does not add up. she was part of the original scam and realized she better give some version to help HERSELF. Why a formal statement was not taken from her is beyond belief. She wasn't "too traumatized" as the AV/Nifong claimed. Did she refuse to give a statement or did Durham's finest purposefully neglect her involvement? <br />Also, the AV gave a different agency for her employer(stripper service). Roberts could have cleared this up right away. I think the Prosecurial Misconduct is the most egregious from the withholding evidence standpoint. <br />Does anyone have a link to Gottlieb's 30plus page statement?<br /><br />Juries are famous for all types of stupid decisions. What is the Judge in this case's excuse. He should dismiss all charges and personally notify the bar association and AG of nifong's conduct. I think that is what this Judge is afraid of but knows it is inevitable.The Dudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07417776000068927222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-51134614901973431762006-12-02T15:24:00.000-05:002006-12-02T15:24:00.000-05:00The N&O recently added another spice to the menu o...The N&O recently added another spice to the menu of media race-baiting.....probably designed to be another entrée into the realm of "woe is me".<br /><br />They printed a special exposé "The Ghosts of 1898" telling of white-on-black attacks in the town of Wilmington........one hundred and eight years ago !!!!<br /><br />Why did they decide to make a big production about this now? Is there something magical about the number (108)? No one is alive who was there and I'm sure that their descendants will not pay "reparations" as is being suggested by black leaders. <br /><br />Of course....."We all have to remember the injustices so they will never happen again"......blah.....blah.....blah.......but some need to study World History so they can break out of their insular and self-indulgent shell. Millions of people throughout history have been enslaved or have been otherwise damaged by evil people. Most, like the Jewish people of the world, have not merely survived, but thrived.<br /><br />If only that gene could be implanted inside the black community.<br /><br />I'd say the powers-that-be at the N&O want this historical riot highlighted just as three white men are fighting for their futures over in Durham.<br /><br />Never underestimate the bitterness and the need to continually dance on the graves of their ancestors from those in the black community who live and breathe "victimhood".......while being admitted to elite universities with SAT scores that might warrant admission into a community college in the real world.<br /><br />I don't believe that the decision at this time to publish a special section on the Wilmington race riot of long ago was a coincidence.<br /><br />Debrah CorrellAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-58071746928121618802006-12-02T14:53:00.000-05:002006-12-02T14:53:00.000-05:00To 1:51:
The 3 did offer to take polygraphs. It w...To 1:51:<br /><br />The 3 did offer to take polygraphs. It was the police who refused.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-29175303647006522592006-12-02T14:26:00.000-05:002006-12-02T14:26:00.000-05:00to 1:51 poster: what poly?to 1:51 poster: what poly?januaryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04309111884065053613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-58015787542304265182006-12-02T13:54:00.000-05:002006-12-02T13:54:00.000-05:00Good question
I think their lawyers all know that...Good question<br /><br />I think their lawyers all know that they probably made derogatory remarks to AV and don't want that info divulged<br /><br />Prosecution will make the argument that "racism equals rape"<br /><br />stupid jurors will agree with such "logic"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-49858043626356378072006-12-02T13:51:00.000-05:002006-12-02T13:51:00.000-05:00another problem for the 3:
why haven't they publi...another problem for the 3:<br /><br />why haven't they published results of poly if they're so innocent?<br /><br />it's a legitimate questionAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-12197271011039398622006-12-02T13:48:00.000-05:002006-12-02T13:48:00.000-05:00"the motley collection of busted out
lumpen crimi..."the motley collection of busted out <br />lumpen criminals associated with the strippers"<br /><br />Google various combinations of -<br /><br />"drewery murchison taylor johnson duke lacrosse"<br /><br />Pure speculation and many facts.<br /><br />For civil suit lawyers try-<br /><br />"couch gary mcsurely"The Great Kilgohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00466143140155206679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-82156836356496154512006-12-02T13:40:00.000-05:002006-12-02T13:40:00.000-05:00Also, if this goes to trial, remember that "Precio...Also, if this goes to trial, remember that "Precious" will have been well-coached by Nifong's people, and I can guarantee she will put on a show of weeping and wailing. Any attempt to cross examine her will be interpreted as an attack on all black women.<br /><br />The problem is that while the defense will demonstrate the entire thing is a lie, the jury will have the "These people raped and beat me" crying testimony that is going to sway at least some jurors.<br /><br />I'm not trying to be gloom and doom; I'm just thinking like the defense attorneys. That is why they want this thing to be stopped on the ID process, since they will be on the absolute defensive if it goes to a courtroom trial.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-53194604079185584022006-12-02T13:39:00.000-05:002006-12-02T13:39:00.000-05:00In answer to 11:48 AM....Early on in this case, al...In answer to 11:48 AM....Early on in this case, almost from the start of it, actually, it was made known that the accuser had contacted shakedown attorney Willie Gary for "assistance". He supposedly said that he would assist her in whatever way she needed.<br /><br />It's important to note that Gary became a very wealthy attorney by suing.....and suing.....and suing.....cases like this one where there has supposedly been great "damage" done to black people. So he has this game down to a science by now. He is apparently the son of sharecroppers who was given a free education at one of the area black colleges--(maybe Shaw; however, I don't really recall)--and he's made a big production of donating to black colleges through the years.<br /><br />He's very ostentatious and perhaps kind of sleazy.<br /><br />Consequently, this lacrosse shakedown is right up his alley. Who's to say that he hasn't been quietly "assisting" Precious? Who's to say that he hasn't been conferring with Nifong?<br /><br />As you might remember, Jesse "Hymie Town" Jackson---that Jew-bashing remark sure didn't ruin HIS career---made it known that he would give Precious a free scholarship so that she could continue her "studies" without having to strip......no matter how this lacrosse case turned out. Meaning even if she turns out to be a fraud and a felon and a liar and a racist....all rolled into one. Jackson believes in a "rainbow coalition", don't you know.<br /><br />No one has mentioned anything about his offer since. Perhaps it has been discovered that Precious really didn't have a university career.<br /><br />Obviously, anything could have taken place in Durham for all of this to have snowballed into such a hoax.<br /><br />I wouldn't put anything past anyone on the prosecution's side. It's beyond mention what might have really taken place.<br /><br />I still say---bring in the FEDS!<br /><br />Debrah CorrellAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-47854328816283367112006-12-02T13:36:00.000-05:002006-12-02T13:36:00.000-05:00sorry darby, you're wrong:
remember, the jury poo...sorry darby, you're wrong:<br /><br />remember, the jury pool will probably include quite a few cognitively inferior people easily swayed by BS<br /><br />u need facts, true, but u also need to construct a scenario that legitimizes the facts--eg, precious's desire not to go to jail for drunkenness<br /><br />there r 2 other Ds: why focus solely on seligmann, and bear in mind also that N will be able to explain the timeline problem by geiing an expert to discuss the "trauma" of being gang raped by white racists--if this goes to trial, it'll be uglier than OJAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-38063561096988557062006-12-02T13:20:00.001-05:002006-12-02T13:20:00.001-05:00Many of us in these past 8 plus months have been t...Many of us in these past 8 plus months have been tripped up and suffered in the credibility department by trying to over speculate the whys and wherefores of this case. In doing so we have given our position opponents ammunition to sway others against us, not with the evidence of the case but with our faulty non-evidential theories and protestations. Be it race baiters, the agenda freaks, the conspiracy theorists or just the ignorant.<br /><br />If we as "logical" human beings, attempting to find some semblance of truth in this matter, simply look at the facts of the case, it is obvious to me we already have everything we need. Don't care about the motives of Nifong, NBBP, G88, Broadhead, Steel, "black leaders", "rich daddies", Duke or bigots on all sides, lets just look at what has been released to us as evidence.<br /><br />I'll take two very small pieces, both have been entered into court documents either via the attorney's mouth or as attachments to motions.<br /><br />1. Mr. Nifong has taken the statement given by the accuser of a 30 minutes rape and out of whole cloth, condensed it down to "5-10" minutes telling Reade's attorney "that all he has to down is account for 90 minutes of his life."<br /><br />2. Reade's lawyers have produced his cell phone records, taxi cab driver affidavit, ATM photos and swipe card print outs which begin at 12:05 and end at 12:46.<br /><br />The challenge is, if anyone, without pulling some illogical theory out of their behind, cannot find even a 2 minute window in this evidence for Reade to have committed a rape, then you have no case. It's as simple at that, the rest is just a titillating mental exercise and fodder with which to be tripped up by your opponents.<br /><br />Please, <br /><br /><b>somebody, find me a 2 minute window!!!!</b><br /><br />darbyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-19023935566087584452006-12-02T13:20:00.000-05:002006-12-02T13:20:00.000-05:00the photo lineup was unconstitutional (no filler p...the photo lineup was unconstitutional (no filler photos, thus the carte blanche characterization), and will prove to be nifong's worst nightmare: possible disbarment, civil litigation, etc<br /><br />he's gonna get bitch-slapped, big time!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-15684522331084977482006-12-02T13:19:00.000-05:002006-12-02T13:19:00.000-05:00The Duke lacrosse family which reports a possible ...The Duke lacrosse family which reports a possible "casing" of the house does not surprise me at all. Does anything really think that Nifong and the Durham police have cared a whit about the law or trying to get at the truth?<br /><br />Nifong is NOT an honest broker, and neither are the police in Durham. They are dishonest to the core, but they know that in this particular case, they can act with carte blanche because they have absolute immunity.<br /><br />No one on the Durham police force is going to act outside the interest of the "blue wall of silence." (There was no "blue wall" at Duke; the silence is from the police, prosecutors, and people like Irving Joyner, who is nothing more than a front man for a dishonest prosecutor.)<br /><br />Furthermore, the only people who can act against Nifong are the Democrats in the attorney general's office and in the office of the governor. Does anyone really think that the Democrats are going to offend the blacks and white liberals in North Carolina? They really do not care about wrongful convictions in that state, and the record absolutely proves it.<br /><br />For example, even when Darryl Hunt was shown to be not guilty, the state fought his being released. The same goes for Alan Gell and the Little Rascals victims. The people who are in authority in North Carolina simply DO NOT CARE, period. All they care about is having political power, and if they have to imprison half the state to do so, that is what they will do.<br /><br />Therefore, all I can say is that once people like Nifong and the Durham police realize they are above the law, look for them to do ANYTHING. They don't care because they will face no consequences.<br /><br />The only way to fight these criminals is to expose them. What we are doing in these blogs is to expose every lie and demonstrate what kind of lawbreakers they are. These guys are cockroaches, and one must shine the light on them.<br /><br />Yes, they will try to continue the prosecution, but we can keep the pressure on them. I can only hope that we can shame someone, SOMEONE in that state who has some authority to do what is right.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-56119205515817526582006-12-02T12:58:00.000-05:002006-12-02T12:58:00.000-05:00disagree with u, bill:
it is not important to spe...disagree with u, bill:<br /><br />it is not important to speculate about how precious picked the 3: nifong gave her carte blanche<br /><br />the above poster who posited the drunkenness scenario is on the right track: stupid people like precious don't think about consequences, so an opportunity to beat a drunk and disorderly charge was a godsend: this is typical thug behavior, and she is indeed a thug<br /><br />does anyone know if she was administered a polygraph, or her blood alcohol was measured?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-73711287169718386942006-12-02T12:33:00.000-05:002006-12-02T12:33:00.000-05:00I believe it is hard to speculate on how she picke...I believe it is hard to speculate on how she picked the three she did. I cannot believe, however, that Nifong and the police did not help in some way. After all, Nifong NEEDED these indictments for his re-election efforts.<br /><br />Remember, he had declared unequivocally that three lacrosse players had raped the accuser, and that he was going to find who did it. He also knew that it was unimportant to worry about alibis and the like; he simply would pretend they did not exist.<br /><br />Thus, he was able to tell Kirk Osborne that if Kirk thought Seligmann was not guilty, then he and Nifong "have nothing to talk about." When Osborne made Seligmann's alibi public, Nifong promptly arrested the cab driver and then changed the story and timeline of the supposed rape.<br /><br />I say all this to point out that evidence never has been an issue in this case. Nifong and the police DO NOT NEED evidence in order to get a conviction in Durham. They have an accuser and three white lacrosse players, and that is ALL that they need.<br /><br />We can speculate all we wish about the accuser and her motives, but as K.C. pointed out, she was trying to keep from getting involuntarily committed. All it took was a rape accusation. Nifong was able to take it from there.<br /><br />The reason I emphasize that this case cannot go to trial is because a Durham jury would be like Nifong: the members would not need to be presented with any evidence, just an accusation. From that point, they will easily reach a verdict of guilty, and if you think that jurors will be circumspect, think again.<br /><br />For those of you who are shocked at this cavalier approach to justice, we need to understand that this is MAINSTREAM U.S. justice. This kind of stuff has been going on for years in the federal courts, and I have been writing on that situation for a long time.<br /><br />Furthermore, you already have the Little Rascals case in North Carolina, where the prosecution did not present any credible evidence, save children who had been browbeaten for many months before they "disclosed" sexual abuse. In that case, we saw what we are seeing here: conflicting information, conflicting stories, and conflicting information that is mutually exclusive is trotted out as "proof" of a crime.<br /><br />The lacrosse case is not an outlier; the lies are transparent, but I would contend that on any day in a U.S. court, you will see hundreds of these fake cases. We as voters have given prosecutors a green light to lie, break the law, cut corners, suborn perjury, and generally run amok. Thus, we see the results of our own lack of diligence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-61638473650639708132006-12-02T12:23:00.000-05:002006-12-02T12:23:00.000-05:00KC,
My wife and I are parents of a Duke lacrosse ...KC,<br /><br />My wife and I are parents of a Duke lacrosse player. In late March or early April of this year, my wife was in our front yard planting her Spring flower beds. She schedules this work at the same time every year, so is confident in her recollection of the period involved. <br /><br />My wife reported to me at that time that a car had pulled up in front of our house, and that an ominous looking man had stared at her and our house for several minutes before departing. He did not get out of his car, nor did he appear to have any reason for having stopped in front of our house. <br /><br />My wife shared with me at that time that she had had the distinct impression that our house was being "cased". We took extra precautions against a risk of burglary, but nothing came of it. This incident was very much out of the ordinary, however, and it did occur to us at that time that it could have been related to the Duke lacrosse case.<br /><br />If this sort of information is helpful, please let me know and I will contact you with more details. It may be that there are other Duke lacrosse families with similar stories, but we have not heard of such to date. It was very much a matter of chance that my wife happened to be in our front yard when this incident occured. <br /><br />Again, thank you for all you do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-42393992416051602002006-12-02T12:18:00.000-05:002006-12-02T12:18:00.000-05:00Chicago also writes-If KC could not find Cos Cob a...Chicago also writes-If KC could not find Cos Cob and the other place on his first attempt, what is to say that who ever did the research for the false accuser also did not uncover those areas. I mean, there are only a handful of sites in which such information can be found. <br /><br />Like KC, I realize this scenario is hypothetical. However, with all the blatant FACTS we have seen, this certainly helps things get pieced together and is entirely possible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-82577589733029460662006-12-02T12:14:00.001-05:002006-12-02T12:14:00.001-05:00Chicago writes:
12:46-
It is entirely possible t...Chicago writes:<br /><br />12:46-<br /><br />It is entirely possible that while she is too dumb to look at a census income site, she may have had people advising her and her family who did. I would not put it past Mark Simeon to do the research for her and advise her accordingly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com