tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post4165153599650389354..comments2024-02-24T05:19:10.949-05:00Comments on Durham-in-Wonderland: Sunday Itemskcjohnson9http://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-75479582264784287732006-11-20T22:37:00.000-05:002006-11-20T22:37:00.000-05:00GTRV,
What is 'special' about the Duke lacrosse r...GTRV,<br /><br />What is 'special' about the Duke lacrosse rape case is that it <i>is</i> possible for people who were not present to come to firm conclusions about what felonies did or did not transpire. The "no crime" narrative is detailed, internally consistent, and comports with the <i>facts</i> that have been made known through discovery, reporting, and leaks. In contrast, the D.A.'s changing stories are illogical and contradicted by established facts at many points.<br /><br />You probably understand that no reader here can make a meaningful judgement on events that you describe from your past. In your own journey, I hope you find closure, and a measure of peace.AMachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08872008617279528583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-79486154811963264632006-11-20T21:46:00.000-05:002006-11-20T21:46:00.000-05:00Anonymous said this: "I'm sorry for your ordeal, b...Anonymous said this: "I'm sorry for your ordeal, but a false allegation, such as this, harms all real victims like yourself".<br /><br />You are NOT alone ... a blogger from another site told me the same thing.<br /><br />The LAST thing I want to do is associate myself with the "accuser" in the Duke scandal. It's just that I'm so anxious to get my story out on ANY blog that is remotely related to fraternity rape.<br /><br />I'm jumped the gun.... sorry!<br /><br />But Anonymous, you made another comment in reference to the Duke players that riled the hell out of me, as follows:<br /><br />"Perfect..no..good guys...yes.<br />Make a mistake...obviously.."<br /><br />What in the world does that mean???<br />Are you eluding to a "lapse in judgement" or an "indiscretion" and, if guilty, blame it on youth -- forgive and forget?<br />GTRVE-mail:https://www.blogger.com/profile/05104865182873148411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-18244414004946792772006-11-20T20:03:00.000-05:002006-11-20T20:03:00.000-05:00To JoeT.You are correct, it is besides the point i...To JoeT.You are correct, it is besides the point if they are nice guys or jerks. But those of us out there that know these players, take offense to the DA and some bloggers saying bad things about them when they have NO idea what they are talking about.<br />Perfect..no..good guys...yes.<br />Make a mistake...obviously..<br />again...justice is the point. Clearly that has not happened in this HOAX.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-90382587896631423752006-11-20T18:07:00.000-05:002006-11-20T18:07:00.000-05:00To the GT rape victim:
There is no evidence of a ...To the GT rape victim:<br /><br />There is no evidence of a rape having occurred at all...especially by the three accused. The only DNA in her, was her boyfriend's.<br /><br />I'm sorry for your ordeal, but a false allegation, such as this, harms all real victims like yourself.<br /><br />Shold those accused "sit tight" while the DA desperately seeks to prove a crime took place? The rush to indict here is unforgiveable, especially by REAL victims.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-92230583187747658372006-11-20T17:32:00.000-05:002006-11-20T17:32:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-35472790245059084312006-11-20T17:28:00.000-05:002006-11-20T17:28:00.000-05:00Does this troll know Collin Finnerty, or is he jus...Does this troll know Collin Finnerty, or is he just referring to the DC incident? As we already know, the person who brought the charges was not gay, nor did anyone say that Finnerty was engaged in "gay bashing" that night. It was an argument in a bar, and no one even was touched.<br /><br />The credibility of Precious speaks for herself. It is interesting that the people who know her best are the ones who are speaking out against her, while the ones who do not know her are her biggest defenders.<br /><br />In the case of the Duke 3, the people who know them best are speaking out FOR them, and people like the previous troll who have never had an inkling of contact with any lacrosse player is the one most vociferous in his condemnation. I think this tells us what we need to know about the character of the people involved in this case.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-75811959745429142072006-11-20T17:19:00.000-05:002006-11-20T17:19:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-84849219505774969652006-11-20T15:17:00.000-05:002006-11-20T15:17:00.000-05:00To the 2.00:
You're right: I should have noted th...To the 2.00:<br /><br />You're right: I should have noted that the item was either (a) cleared by someone in the administration; or (b) an organization housed in the <a href="http://osa.studentaffairs.duke.edu/studentorgs/stuorgs/directory/stuorgs-c/chanticleer.html">Duke Office of Student Affairs</A> effectively ceded from the University office in which it was housed, and was allowed to publish unchecked material on an issue in which the university's legal office was, by that point, involved. I guess option (b) would suggest that the Brodhead administration is characterized by monumental incompetence--a flaw that, whatever else can be said of the administration, I have not previously detected.<br /><br />Either conclusion, I should note, affirms the point that I made in the post.kcjohnson9https://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-38124491828740406112006-11-20T14:30:00.000-05:002006-11-20T14:30:00.000-05:00For posterity, by adding the jaded editorial in th...For posterity, by adding the jaded editorial in the Duke Year Book, Duke University has sealed its fate. It will forever be rememebered for the tremendous errors in judgement, racist comments and rush to judgement of 3 innocent young men. When this case is finally over and the young men's names have been cleared, all the Pro Nifongers, Nifong, DPD, the accuser, the Duke 88, and the ani-truth talking heads, will be <br />proven to be the unintelligent, racists, pot bangers who used the Constitutional rights of these young men to push their own agendas and self worth. This case will be study for many years to come. It will be picked apart and the evil doers, enablers and aiders of this hoax have sealed their fate in history. Everyone knows these boys are innocent, a false accusation guided by a manical DA and hate filled people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-57655956926796217992006-11-20T14:00:00.000-05:002006-11-20T14:00:00.000-05:00KC, do you have any evidence to support the idea t...KC, do you have any evidence to support the idea that the commentary about the LAX case appearing in the yearbook was cleared by the administration? If not, then why did you state so unequivocally that the commentary proves that the administration has thrown the LAX players under the bus without indicating that this is really just pure speculation on your part?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-34635030502380076822006-11-20T12:53:00.000-05:002006-11-20T12:53:00.000-05:00i meant "aggression"i meant "aggression"E-mail:https://www.blogger.com/profile/05104865182873148411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-36383103324746500072006-11-20T12:47:00.000-05:002006-11-20T12:47:00.000-05:00(Anonymous posted the following comment at 7:46):
...(Anonymous posted the following comment at 7:46):<br /><br />>You do NOT know these guys...they are the best. Polite, respectful and yes they DO contribute to society.<<br /><br />Okay, so they are respected pillars of the community with sterling reputations. Just like the Kennedies and Clintons, right? <br /><br />To AMac: Truly, I see your point regarding the Duke situation! I'm trying to stay on middle ground here and remain objective. Remember, I was a victim of the frat culture which thrives on male dominance and agression.E-mail:https://www.blogger.com/profile/05104865182873148411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-64570674665253317132006-11-20T12:20:00.000-05:002006-11-20T12:20:00.000-05:00To the 1.02am:
I know the normal procedure at mos...To the 1.02am:<br /><br />I know the normal procedure at most institutions, but it is inconceivable to me, given the specifics of this case, that the wording of the yearbook material wasn't cleared with the administration.<br /><br />Imagine, for instance, if the yearbook staff had planned an item saying that Nifong had exploited the case for political purposes, I rather doubt the words would have been allowed to appear in print.<br /><br />To the 11.40am:<br /><br />I apologize for not responding to the 1.02's comment more rapidly; I try to monitor comments, but occasionally have other duties to which I have to attend.<br /><br />I invite you to reread the post, which says "Brodhead administration," not "Brodhead."kcjohnson9https://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-80076102326363564222006-11-20T11:40:00.000-05:002006-11-20T11:40:00.000-05:001:02 AM, I agree with you that it makes no sense f...1:02 AM, I agree with you that it makes no sense for KC to blame Brodhead for the comments about the LAX case appearing in the Duke yearbook. However, this is not the first time that KC has taken a cheap shot at Brodhead, and I am sure it will not be the last. I find it interesting that when you called him on it, he did not respond to your comment and made no attempt at all to justify what he had said. This tells me that he knew that the comment was garbage before he posted it, but that he just went ahead and posted it anyway because he enjoys taking the cheap shots.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-84269775059537740362006-11-20T11:35:00.000-05:002006-11-20T11:35:00.000-05:00expecting rational arguments from the cognitively ...expecting rational arguments from the cognitively challenged:<br /><br />don't hold your breath--1 of the rules of "multiculturalism" (better known in the real world as black studies) is that rationality and quality are eurocentric concepts that demonize the black man--so it is not surprising that many in the black community honestly believe that sean combs and oprah are just as important as bill gates and stephen hawking--i'm not kidding--they argue that alice walker is just as important as shakespeare--just another reason why the cognitively challenged be kept out of elite institutionsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-87623016558551405002006-11-20T11:07:00.000-05:002006-11-20T11:07:00.000-05:00GTRV 10:32am --
> As far as the lacrosse team's ...GTRV 10:32am -- <br /><br />> As far as the lacrosse team's guilt or innocence, the prosecution has yet to begin. So let's sit tight and see what happens.<br /><br />You are like many others with a righteous cause in imagining that the Durham prosecutor and police are your allies as they continue their blatantly illegal and unethical conduct. If, after reading this blog, you can't understand why you are mistaken--and, clearly, you can't--there isn't anything I could add that would convince you otherwise.<br /><br />One of the remarkable aspects of this hoax is that your point of view is so widely and so adamantly held.AMachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08872008617279528583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-82749256437710327382006-11-20T10:55:00.000-05:002006-11-20T10:55:00.000-05:00duke mom 9:11
your grammar is appalling:
the ver...duke mom 9:11<br /><br />your grammar is appalling:<br /><br />the verb is "affect"<br /><br />"effect" is a nounAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-49527395502885509242006-11-20T10:42:00.000-05:002006-11-20T10:42:00.000-05:00re 1:02 am
dimwit moderator: i note u deleted a f...re 1:02 am<br /><br />dimwit moderator: i note u deleted a funny characterization of precious the predator last night, but y don't delete an entry by a supposed rape victim who names her "rapist"--better delete it or u may be liable for libelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-17999848621202467682006-11-20T10:32:00.000-05:002006-11-20T10:32:00.000-05:00Hypothetically speaking, no. The conviction of an...Hypothetically speaking, no. The conviction of an innocent man would be tragic, and would not bring me closure. Actually, there IS no closure to having been raped. Wait! I can think of one appropriate penalty -- "the removal of the rapist's vital organ without anesthesia in a grand arena with thousands of on-lookers". (sorry)<br /><br />As far as the lacrosse team's guilt or innocence, the prosecution has yet to begin. So let's sit tight and see what happens. Certainly, the accusations will have a life-long effect on the accused and their families. If innocent, that is indeed terribly sad.E-mail:https://www.blogger.com/profile/05104865182873148411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-39030920273748681442006-11-20T09:35:00.000-05:002006-11-20T09:35:00.000-05:00GTRV 8:05am,
Thanks for writing. You should know...GTRV 8:05am,<br /><br />Thanks for writing. You should know that most readers' here have taken sides against the Durham D.A. and with the three men accused of rape because of the:<br /><br />(1) Overwhelming evidence of abuse of police and prosecutorial powers, specifically in violating the Due Process rights of the accused, and <br /><br />(2) Overwhelming evidence that the crime of rape did not occur, and thus that the three indicted men did not commit it.<br /><br />These are not pro-rape or misogynistic stances. No sensible person believes that rape is <i>not</i> a problem, or that rapists should <i>not</i> be punished.<br /><br />A hypothetical question: as you struggled to deal with the injustice and evil done to you, would it have given you closure if a crusading prosecutor had railroaded a conviction of a John Doe for your rape--if this John Doe had never set foot on Georgia Tech's campus and could not possibly have been the actual assailant? I hope not, and expect not. The point of Due Process is to protect society from such abuses. This is why the Duke Lacrosse Rape Hoax has attracted such attention.<br /><br />As a corollary, how will a police/prosecutor team that works to convict the innocent perform in terms of identifying the truly guilty, and ensuring that they are convicted? Unsurprisingly, the evidence from Durham is, "not well at all."AMachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08872008617279528583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-32468538021881033612006-11-20T09:11:00.000-05:002006-11-20T09:11:00.000-05:00To 7:46
Your do NOT know these guys...they are th...To 7:46<br /><br />Your do NOT know these guys...they are the best. Polite, respectful and yes they DO contribute to society. READ!!! The lacrosse team as a whole have contributed to MANY community sevice projects in Durham. Most of these boys have done community service since back in middle school, as guided by their parents and continue to do so, in Durham TODAY!! No one has to convience them. They understand 'giving back' is just part of being a citizen these days.<br /><br />Am SO tired of hearing that these are bad kids. Anything but...I am SO tired about reading about racism. They are NOT racist! It was Nifong that made it into a racist issue for his own political gain.<br />Intelligent lightweights...don't think so. You should be so luckly to have all the quality traits that these players have.<br />The subject here is justice. Unfortunatly that is NOT something Durham seems to have. It is a disgrace that the NC Bar and Attorney General have not stepped in. The travesty here, worse than the Duke 3 HOAX, is that the citizens of Durham fail to see the big picture here and how it is ultimately going to effect your own.You have been played, big time with all the lies.<br />A DUKE Lax Mom AND SO VERY PROUD OF IT!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-8368515423516324932006-11-20T08:28:00.000-05:002006-11-20T08:28:00.000-05:00The idea that all 88 of these faculty members are ...The idea that all 88 of these faculty members are raving lunatics is a little over the top.<br /><br />Aside from three unfortunate sentences in the listening statement that presume "something happened" and give a pat on the back to the protestors, the listening statement is pretty tame. The brunt of the statement goes to student complaints of widespread racism and sexism on campus. Given the shocking nature of the allegations against the players at the time and the DA's adamance about the players' guilt, I have a certain amount of sympathy for the faculty members who signed it. I'm sure some are raving lunatics, but suspect more saw the "silence" and "lack of cooperation" from the team as the equivalent of OJ Simpson's low-speed chase in the white Bronco. In hindsight, I would hope that most of the 88 would feel some regret. And I think it's pretty bad that none have come out to say as much re their rush to judgement. But with a handful of exceptions, that's where most of their sins end. To heap condemnation on the 88 to the same degree as Nifong strikes me as a bit agenda driven itself.<br /><br />Just because they're university professors that signed onto a PC statement (that their academic departmrnt was sponsering), doesn't mean they'D support Stalin or want to see innocent people out to jail for being upper-class white males. Yes, some of the 88 have made ridiculous and public claims about the accused students. But assuming that all of the 88 share those views is a bit like assuming that all of the LAX players are klansmen because of comments that one of them made under exceptional circumstances.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-11766556728251608062006-11-20T08:05:00.000-05:002006-11-20T08:05:00.000-05:00A string of skillfully executed rapes occurred in ...A string of skillfully executed rapes occurred in the early 1960s by an upperclassman living on fraternity row at Georgia Tech where the bond of Greek brotherhood remains every bit as unshakable today as it did in the sixties. I was a virgin, set up in advance (twice!) by a person I trusted. I was drugged. My life was derailed, but I would never tell (jeeze, it was the "sixties"). I could not even confront the rapist. To confront the rapist would mean acknowledging to myself that "rape" actually happened. Even worse, the second scenario was "gang rape". Nobody can imagine what I went through ... depression, anger, repressed memories, and flashbacks for 43 years. This monster belongs behind bars for the malevolent tactics he used to dehumanize me and other unsuspecting women. Instead, he golfs, plays gin and sips scotch at the club. And with much arrogance, he recently said to me (after I finally confronted him), "Is this some kind of joke?".<br />As with any rapist, lies the incessant need to overpower, but Jim Dickinson's single most compelling reason for the degradation of women was this:<br />"the constant and overwhelming struggle to convince himself that he liked girls (in that way), and to prove his masculinity to the brotherhood" <br />Aww, the good ol' days in Atlanta! Dodd Stadium, the Varsity Drive-In, Hank & Jerry's Tavern, Witts Inn, Aunt Fanny's Cabin. Such innocence! Date rape drugs didn't exist back then? Wrong! How about Special K. Frat members robbed animal clinics to get their hands on magical drugs.<br />Now then, if this could happen to a so-called nice girl from a traditional family in an upper-class neighborhood, you can bet that date-rape was a huge weekend draw on fraternity row. Their only prerequisite? Make sure the girl wasn't too smart. I believe that not "all" the brothers participated, yet "all" operated under a veil of secrecy -- all in the name of brotherhood and bonding. <br />Thank you for the opportunity to post this comment. Anyone can contact me at georgia_tech_rape@yahoo.com.E-mail:https://www.blogger.com/profile/05104865182873148411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-52936848062506817272006-11-20T01:02:00.000-05:002006-11-20T01:02:00.000-05:00K.C., I don't know why you would associate the adm...K.C., I don't know why you would associate the administration with the yearbook entry. At most colleges, and I would think Duke too, the yearbook is written by the student staff of the yearbook without significant faculty involvement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-37072130443521287322006-11-19T23:15:00.000-05:002006-11-19T23:15:00.000-05:00Indeed, the biggest supporters of the worst dictat...Indeed, the biggest supporters of the worst dictators and mass murderers of the 20th Century were the university "intellectuals" of the United States, Great Britain, and Europe. I would urge all of you to read the book "Political Pilgramages" written about 25 years ago by Paul Hollander that gives details about how U.S. intellectuals were unrelenting in their support of Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Che, and Castro.<br /><br />That these men were responsible for the execution and starvation deaths of millions of people did not bother them in the least. Either they dismissed the claims as "conspiracy theories" or they insisted that the building of a "new society" requires brutality in the short run.<br /><br />Compare these people to the Evil Gang of 88, and you can see the resemblence. Once someone dismisses the humanity of someone and sees him or her solely through a political definition, then the stage for more political mass murder is being set.<br /><br />I do not hold back at all in my condemnation of this element of the Duke faculty. These are not good people, by any stretch of the imagination, and anyone who literally tries to railroad innocent people into prison just to satisfy his or her political urges is not someone with a shred of decency.<br /><br />Both K.C. and I are horrified at the conduct of many on the Duke faculty. Yes, we understand the background of their thinking, but that does not make it any more acceptable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com