tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post4221207182949282482..comments2024-02-24T05:19:10.949-05:00Comments on Durham-in-Wonderland: Nifong Videokcjohnson9http://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comBlogger81125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-46351677645906694412007-09-10T01:33:00.000-04:002007-09-10T01:33:00.000-04:00Would some of the great legal minds who blog here ...Would some of the great legal minds who blog here please tell us WHY Crystal Magnam has not been charged?<BR/><BR/>I believe that this will someday come back to haunt the "Innocents". <BR/><BR/>The legal process that would even validate that she was incompetent to stand trial would be further evidence of the HOAX.<BR/><BR/>NOBODY who did what she did should go scott free.<BR/><BR/>WHY has she not been indicted?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-84292404714627020052007-09-08T23:50:00.000-04:002007-09-08T23:50:00.000-04:00To 10:55PM--Look inside the tunnels of the DPD off...To 10:55PM--<BR/><BR/><I>Look inside the tunnels of the DPD off Duke Street.</I><BR/><BR/>())))))))))))) Uttered with the ominous tone of an incarcerated Hannibal Lechter ((((((((((((()<BR/><BR/><I>Run! Run, Clarice!</I>Debrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04567454727276881424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-75379862054135584612007-09-08T22:55:00.000-04:002007-09-08T22:55:00.000-04:00Just returned after 36 hours away. Want to commen...Just returned after 36 hours away. Want to comment on 6:58. YES. I agree. I have said before on this blogsite and others, that some of the missing evidence is in the FOUR ( or more) DNA who were found on Crystal. <BR/><BR/>I agree. My intuition tells me that Crystal is being protected because of more than her medical history. <BR/><BR/>THERE IS MORE!<BR/><BR/>But who would dare go looking for the links??? And would they turn up missing or dead?<BR/><BR/>Beginning to sound like Grisham novel material.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-5499915142590750432007-09-08T20:48:00.000-04:002007-09-08T20:48:00.000-04:00I was reminded today of just how full Durham is of...I was reminded today of just how full Durham is of racist black people, the type that still believe the narrative. A woman tried to drive her SUV along a sidewalk at the Durham Farmers Market, after driving around barriers and road closed signs, and only when I slapped her side window did she stop and indignently demand to know why she couldn't drive on the sidewalk. She then called me a racial epithet. Lovely. Hey, I may be what she called me, but at least I wasn't the one driving on the sidewalk. Oh yeah, there were a number of pedestrians trying to get out of this mental midget's way. She said she was handicapped. I for one, am not arguing - she is definitely morally handicapped. And a racist to boot. May god bless this blighted town.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15276286065184671293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-12820127355469047472007-09-08T15:26:00.000-04:002007-09-08T15:26:00.000-04:00Dear Duke1965 @ 12:49pmThank you. You said somethi...Dear Duke1965 @ 12:49pm<BR/><BR/>Thank you. You said something very important. It is about the students. As individuals. If we forget that, you -- the students, the parents, the public -- have every right to question our credentials as educators and scholars and our claims of (presumed) superior intelligence. <BR/><BR/>It is the weak and lazy minds that think only in terms of abstract categories of people and cannot deal with the specificity of each individual case. People who display such attitudes, therefore, have no credible claim to superior intelligence and scholarhsip. Apparently students, parents and the public at large know this. I am appalled at how many professors seem to be unable to understand it.<BR/><BR/>Another very important thing you said concerns Duke students. They are bright, hard-working and decent. They also make mistakes and at times forget that they are bright, hard-working and decent. Exactly like everybody else. The most distressing aspect of this whole mess has been the characterization of our student body and campus life that I have read and heard. Such characterizations were, are and always will be false. In too many cases, moreover, they were not just false, they were willfully false.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-34758368887990979562007-09-08T12:49:00.000-04:002007-09-08T12:49:00.000-04:00Duke prof at 1:31 am:I deeply appreciate your comm...Duke prof at 1:31 am:<BR/><BR/>I deeply appreciate your comments. My family has been involved with Duke for many years. My uncle was a professor at Duke for almost 20 years; my sister and I both attended Duke; and now my daughter is currently a Duke student. Like you, I have come to believe that I was in denial about some of the events of the past 18 months. Let's face it, Duke has always had its share of "eccentric" professors, that's part of its charm. I believe strongly in academic freedom, including the right to express unpopular political views. Academic freedom, however, includes the responsibility to treat students with respect as individuals, and to not target any group based upon stereotypes as opposed to facts. For example, totally aside from the lacrosse case, who do female Duke students often call upon to escort them to their cars after a late night study session? Often, it's a Duke athlete.......... if you follow the stereotype of the violent sex-crazed jock, that behavior would be just plain crazy.........<BR/><BR/>I believe a fight for core values at Duke is just getting underway. If you've been reading the Chronicle as the new semester starts, you can see the shots being fired already. This is going to be a very interesting "conversation". I'm hopeful that the faculty, students and alumni will all do their part to ensure that Duke is a place where every student is treated with respect as an individual, without any sort of pre-conceived stereotype..... sounds like something MLK would say, does it not?<BR/><BR/>Finally, when I was a Duke student, I certainly saw my share of boorish jock behavior. During fraternity rush, we freshmen were greeted by the President of one jock fraternity as he sat on the commode with his pants around his ankles. On the other hand, one of my lab partners was a Duke basketball player......... it seemed as if that guy worked all the time.... he's now a very successful doctor. It all depends on the individual and their choices.... and if you look at Duke students as individuals, they are for the most part, incredibly decent, bright and hard-working, regardless of their economic or ethnic background.Duke1965https://www.blogger.com/profile/04340856191308342534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-24245886462610749992007-09-08T11:54:00.000-04:002007-09-08T11:54:00.000-04:00What I noticed is Victoria Peterson appears to be ...What I noticed is Victoria Peterson appears to be the only African American in the group. I think most of the African Americans in Durham must recognize that Nifing isn't their champion and that he used them. These are Mikey's personal friends supporting him because he's their personal friend. I have doubts that any besides Peterson and the other woman in the front with a sign actually believe he conducted his duties with "integrity and goodness." This is more, "He was such a good host at the party at his house last year," or "Cy has always been so nice to me," sort of thing rather than any sort of belief that Mike's some martyr for their cause.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-49940685831764061462007-09-08T10:53:00.000-04:002007-09-08T10:53:00.000-04:00TO sulax88--I thought so as well. Started to use ...TO sulax88--<BR/><BR/>I thought so as well. Started to use the Annie Lenox version until I saw this one. Mikey must be having lots of those kinds of dreams lately. LOL!<BR/><BR/>I'm not a MM fan, but think he's ceative and interesting. <BR/><BR/>BTW, he is now involved with Evan Rachel Wood, a little waif from Raleigh. She's from an acting family. Her father, Ira David Wood, is an actor who had a theatre group in the Triangle for years.<BR/><BR/>The Marilyn Manson-Evan Rachel Wood coupling proves that opposites really <I>do</I> attract.Debrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04567454727276881424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-53811690681687208062007-09-08T03:12:00.000-04:002007-09-08T03:12:00.000-04:00OMG Deb...that is such a great MM video!!! That s...OMG Deb...that is such a great MM video!!! That song has long languished in the poorly done interpretation of Annie Lenox...This is much more the intent of the poet. And much more what Mikey should be thinking aobut tonight.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-49879141921032619862007-09-08T01:31:00.000-04:002007-09-08T01:31:00.000-04:00Inman @ 10:17pmThanks. Please know that I am just ...Inman @ 10:17pm<BR/><BR/>Thanks. Please know that I am just one of many, many more than people think. <BR/><BR/>Duke is not rotten to the core. There might be a battle for its core brewing. Much depends on how many of us who are not activists, just professors, and were not paying attention to university politics, will now start paying attention. <BR/><BR/>I was not paying attention. I assumed that high standard applied everywhere at Duke. I assumed that we all shared the same values of honesty, integrity and caring for students and respect for each other that Prof. Coleman and Prof. Gustafson -- to name two that went public -- so eloquently embody. Apparently I was wrong. Apparently some of us are held, and hold themselves, to higher standards than others.<BR/><BR/>Like many others, I was following the case but not really paying attention. The enormity of what I have seen when I started paying attention has not sunk in yet. <BR/><BR/>I understand why reactions to KC's profiles, and now the book, are so strong. They know that one of the things that KC is doing is telling people like me that we should open our eyes. What they don't seem to understand is that incoherent, vicious and dishonest attacks on him, rather than his evidence and arguments, make me more curious, not less. <BR/><BR/>The rambling of the poster that prompted my comment earlier struck me as dishonest to the core. Innuendo about the other's sinister motives and boasting of one's presumed superior credentials based on superior school affiliation is not how scholars -- and just plain, decent people -- argue. I do hope that person is not on the Duke faculty. Whatever my colleagues did is bad enough and at this point they really don't need that kind of help that only makes their case look more foolish.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-74381253684125309652007-09-08T01:25:00.000-04:002007-09-08T01:25:00.000-04:00The sad thing is that the dope Rachel who runs Rac...The sad thing is that the dope Rachel who runs Rachel's Tavern doesn't live in Durham so she won't be affected by the lawsuits. But if she's so sure the Duke 3 were guilty of SOMETHING, maybe she'll send some cash of her own down to Durham to help cover the lawsuits? Marcotte too?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-34220113131678936032007-09-08T01:15:00.000-04:002007-09-08T01:15:00.000-04:00MN wanted to make himself look like MLK walking to...MN wanted to make himself look like MLK walking to the Selma jail. The man has not a shred of decency or humility. I bet many there were po'd that the Nifong Family Reunion Softball Game was interrupted because of this farce. The whole lot had to eat shriveled dogs and dry burgers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-43102821435199468212007-09-08T00:46:00.000-04:002007-09-08T00:46:00.000-04:00Sweet dreams tonight, Mikey.<A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iuve2OjY_8" REL="nofollow">Sweet dreams</A> tonight, Mikey.Debrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04567454727276881424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-16090417625836037672007-09-08T00:06:00.000-04:002007-09-08T00:06:00.000-04:00-RD 9/7/07 10:33 PM ======================Hey man-...-RD <BR/><BR/>9/7/07 10:33 PM <BR/><BR/>======================<BR/><BR/>Hey man--wrong, totally wrong. I don't mean to insult you but this is very silly and softheaded thinking. In fact, it's plain stupid.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-45776076725744037682007-09-08T00:03:00.000-04:002007-09-08T00:03:00.000-04:0010:53 -you made me check out Rachel's Tavern "Race...10:53 -you made me check out <B>Rachel's Tavern "Race, Gender, and Sexuality from a Sociological Perspective"</B><BR/><BR/>My my what would they do without those three words:R-G-S<BR/><BR/>Anyway Rachel had a June 26 post <I>It’s About Interracial Sex Folks</I> which references the "Duke Rape" case [her words] to which a "Mike" replied on July 8th. Look at Rachels only comeback:<BR/><BR/><I>Mike John on July 8th, 2007 5:02 am <BR/>--------------------------------<BR/>You’re still calling it the “Duke rape” case? My, how we hold on to what we wish was the truth.<BR/><BR/>Rachel on July 8th, 2007 2:49 pm<BR/>--------------------------------<BR/>Mike, Go away troll.</I>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-86222828254351736292007-09-07T23:36:00.000-04:002007-09-07T23:36:00.000-04:00To 10:53PM--Does our main man "thug" really have a...To 10:53PM--<BR/><BR/>Does our main man "thug" really have a blog?<BR/><BR/>We need to check it out.<BR/><BR/>I don't remember when I have <I>ever</I> had the intellectual **** choked out of me.<BR/><BR/>I do hope the exciting orchid-as-vulva pheromone king of love Michael Hardt shows up to dish!<BR/><BR/><I>Thrilling.</I>Debrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04567454727276881424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-58019363699731141812007-09-07T23:05:00.001-04:002007-09-07T23:05:00.001-04:00Thanks, Inman at 10:17 PM ... I left a comment the...Thanks, Inman at 10:17 PM ... I left a comment there at the post "Questions for the Blue Committee".<BR/><BR/>RRHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-3958889161994701402007-09-07T22:57:00.000-04:002007-09-07T22:57:00.000-04:00RD: I *might* agree more with you if only Nifong ...RD: I *might* agree more with you if only Nifong had expressed the smallest bit of remorse over the past couple of months. Instead, he appeared to apologize only when it would benefit him. He is STILL calling Crystal Magnum the "victim" in all this. He has made it very obvious he still thinks "something happened." He should have told his "supporters" that he could and should do this alone. Their attitude of complete disregard for the real victims of this hoax are completely at odds with the demeanor he should have portrayed on his way to jail today. I don't think anyone's joyful about this. He has brought every bit of misery upon himself, and there's a lot more coming. If I had to bet, I'd bet on civil and criminal charges.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-73848098633710490282007-09-07T22:53:00.001-04:002007-09-07T22:53:00.001-04:00Only some of the Durham blogs are complaining that...Only some of the Durham blogs are complaining that the Duke 3 are "greedy". Most of them, (including the statewide blog Blue NC; the ridiculous Rachel's Tavern; the Mark Anthony Neal dopey blog) aren't even mentioning Nifong's jail stay and the lawsuits. It's so funny to see them writing about this and that minor b.s. in Durham and ignoring the monstrous elephant in the room.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-18095286482861483802007-09-07T22:53:00.000-04:002007-09-07T22:53:00.000-04:00TO 10:33PM--No, this is a good day. If only there ...TO 10:33PM--<BR/><BR/>No, this is a good day. <BR/><BR/>If only there were more like this one.<BR/><BR/>Sometimes <A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsC7-L-Jyo8" REL="nofollow">what goes around......</A>Debrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04567454727276881424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-16374846464338188322007-09-07T22:33:00.000-04:002007-09-07T22:33:00.000-04:00I thought the video was extremely sad. There is n...I thought the video was extremely sad. There is no joy in the self-destruction of this man, his life and career in flames around him by his own doing. It looked to me like he was holding hands to keep from falling over. <BR/><BR/>I am elated that the young men he tried to use have been vindicated. Nifong's punishment may be some small measure of justice in this case, but this is not an occassion for joy.<BR/><BR/>IMHO<BR/><BR/>-RDAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-22154329213901145972007-09-07T22:30:00.000-04:002007-09-07T22:30:00.000-04:00I posted this over at the liestoppers board -- tho...I posted this over at the liestoppers board -- thought<BR/>people might get a kick out of it here:<BR/><BR/>Here is the extended version of Victoria Peterson's Sign that<BR/>she carried this morning in support of convicted inmate Michael Nifong (TV only showed the short<BR/>version of her sign :) )<BR/><BR/>"We believe in your integrity and goodness" despite the fact that you:<BR/><BR/>- willfully tried to put three innocent young men in prison for 30 years<BR/><BR/>- lied repeatedly in and out of the courtroom to judges, grand jurors,<BR/>defense lawyers, state bar officials, media persons, etc<BR/><BR/>-- obstructed justice in countless ways including intimidation<BR/>and coercion of witnesses<BR/><BR/>-- wasted hundreds of thousands of dollars of Durham taxpayer<BR/>money on this whole fiasco (with many more millions to come)<BR/><BR/>-- stirred up racial tensions and exploited them to win an election<BR/><BR/>-- fed the media false information behind the scenes, and orchestrated <BR/>horrendously biased media coverage <BR/><BR/>-- totally dismissed, and made fun of, any evidence that exonerated the players<BR/><BR/>-- violated the civil rights of all the Lacrosse players over and over again, <BR/>including their FERPA rights <BR/><BR/>-- caused a lot of emotional pain, fear, tears, stress, sleepless nights, and financial <BR/>hardship to the families and relatives of the falsely accused former defendants<BR/><BR/>We don't care about any of these egregious, criminal offenses because they were <BR/>all for the purpose of putting "privileged" white boys in jail, and that is always <BR/>a good thing no matter the truth, no matter their innocence.<BR/><BR/>The Group of 88 have signed the back of this sign. They all said to say hello<BR/>and that they will forever be indebted to you for giving them a "cause celebre."<BR/>The Group of 88 also said:<BR/>it's a real shame that the truth had to come out BUT, hey, President Brodhead<BR/>covered our butts, so you be sure to cover your butt in prison -- haha --<BR/>just kidding -- let's do it again some time -- look us up when you get outMikeZPurduehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16607714354649967842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-54339163417567557552007-09-07T22:26:00.000-04:002007-09-07T22:26:00.000-04:00I'm reading the first chapter of UPI -- "Duke: Th...I'm reading the first chapter of UPI -- "Duke: The Party School". <BR/><BR/>KC to get an idea of what REAL college partying was (in the 1970s), imagine this: Take 3 years off the drinking age; no AIDS; hell, no herpes for that matter; and, if a cop stopped you and asked if you were drinking and driving and you said "no", he'd say, "Why the hell not??" (Finally enough refugees from Yankeedom moved down and Texas raised banned drinking while driving in 1987).<BR/><BR/>If you can imagine that, you can start to imagine a REAL party school. It's still #2 on the Princeton Institute's List of Top Ten Party Schools in the latest survey.<BR/><BR/>Oh, but G.W. Bush was rejected for admission to our grad school -- luckily he had Harvard to fall back on. :)<BR/><BR/>RRHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-29254807700187385922007-09-07T22:17:00.000-04:002007-09-07T22:17:00.000-04:00On the comments for the post "Questions for the Bl...On the comments for the post "Questions for the Blue Committee" there was a fascinating statement. I quote it here and aplogize ahead of time for it being off topic, but it's important. <B>'No justice, no peace'</B> states a position and a prof responds, to wit:<BR/><BR/><I>"NJNP, you say:<BR/><BR/>Inre: "11:02--Trust me..."<BR/><BR/>That is the whole point. Few ever trusted you in first place and those remaining will never trust the likes of you and yours again.<BR/><BR/>Those closest to you realize there is no upside in associating with you. Do you sense the movement away? What about returned phone calls? What about people politely excusing themselves from you at parties? It is ever so slight...listen...watch...observe...<BR/><BR/>You no longer get invited to play cards. You see, knowlingly sending innocent people to prison for thirty years is worse than being a cheater at cards. Abetting those who exhibit deplorable racist behavior after-the-fact is even worse.<BR/><BR/>The light switch is on. <BR/><BR/>Anything said, written, or relayed will be challenged, written-off, or deeply discounted. <BR/><BR/>And that is from the people who give you the benefit of the doubt. <BR/><BR/>Most are well beyond that and will actively try to deconstruct the foundations of what little power you thought you had. <BR/><BR/>9/6/07 12:08 PM <BR/><BR/>======================<BR/><BR/>This is a very important point. I am on the A&S faculty at Duke and would have never imagined that some of my colleagues could do this kind of thing, and try to defend it with the arguments I have been seeing: the intellectual and moral dishonesty of what they say and write is arresting.<BR/><BR/>Now I know, and I imagine I am not the only one who has taken notice in recent months. <BR/><BR/>I don't have yet a clear sense of what might happen but as NJNP suggests, these people have lost my trust and from now on I will take everything they say very differently: I fear that I will second-guess them and assume the worst unless proven wrong.<BR/><BR/>I have read UPI and find it well researched and honest, even when I disagree with it. How anyone can think that attacking KC's (presumed) politics or the ranking of his institution (relative to Duke?) is a serious critique escapes me. (According to this argument McClain should not have been hired at Duke...) <BR/><BR/>If the best that they can do to discredit the book is come here and write this kind of nonsense, admitting that they have not read it and plan not to, then I can only shake my head in disbelief. The more they do this kind of thing, the more people will scrutinize their qualifications and wonder whether Duke in fact has a double standard. <BR/><BR/>9/7/07 9:48 PM </I><BR/>_________________________________<BR/><BR/><B>YES! There are indeed intellectually honest professors at Duke. Please speak louder and sign your name. Take a stand!</B>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-89906147876816623802007-09-07T22:10:00.000-04:002007-09-07T22:10:00.000-04:00There's an ABC show on now about the Dateline NBC ...There's an ABC show on now about the Dateline NBC sting show in Murphy Texas where police were directed by Dateline NBC on the sting operations. The DA told police that it was a very bad idea and the police violated due process on all of the people arrested were released.<BR/><BR/>Police drew their weapons as part of the performance.<BR/><BR/>There were police officers that resigned in disgust.<BR/><BR/>Wonder what Gottlieb and Wilson think of that.Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11381497683202091939noreply@blogger.com