tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post4264544416673050995..comments2024-02-24T05:19:10.949-05:00Comments on Durham-in-Wonderland: Chafe's Embarrassmentkcjohnson9http://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comBlogger64125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-22611635996357882182007-03-04T06:12:00.000-05:002007-03-04T06:12:00.000-05:00It is becoming to clear to all (except the Duke 88...It is becoming to clear to all (except the Duke 88) that a great injustice has been rendered unto the 3 Lax players.<BR/><BR/>Expect to see more people dump on Nifong before the SPa drop the case.<BR/><BR/>I fully expect the SPs to drop the case before the 1 yr anv. If they do not realize that every news channel and media outlet (including print) will have a 1 yr anv of the Duke Hoax edition they are insane.<BR/><BR/>By the 1 yr anv even Nifong (mentally impaired) will know he is gone.GShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08203397721811994169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-55970625878524717452007-02-27T08:06:00.000-05:002007-02-27T08:06:00.000-05:002) Since professors and administrators consider it...<I>2) Since professors and administrators consider it a moral entitlement to maintain control over the extra-curricular activities of their (adult) students, how about considering a radical premise: Instead of Thou Shalt Not Watch Strippers, how about Thou Shalt Not Strip? Where is any mention- any- of the culpability and accountability of the accuser in any of this? <BR/><BR/>3) Where is the real world understanding of the nature of college students? Saying college kids must not drink, must not dislike, must be tolerant, must be homogenous, must not act irresponsibly, is like saying, "water can drown people, we must work to make it less wet."<BR/></I><BR/><BR/>Faculty at Duke face the classic dilemma: Damned if we do, damned if we don't. Students want faculty to stay totally, absolutely, and completely out of their business, and certainly not make value judgments, BUT, the want absolute complete loyalty and unlimited assistance whenever they get themselves in trouble.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-21333892806109700412007-02-26T22:14:00.000-05:002007-02-26T22:14:00.000-05:00TO Anonymous 6:42 PM who said: "...seems if CALEA ...TO Anonymous 6:42 PM who said: "...seems if CALEA openned a review DPD would have to work hard to defend their actions and certification status."<BR/><BR/>CLEA is a voluntary "accreditation" program that looks at process and structure. Outcome is not part of the program. It is mainly an internal process to reduce liability. In other words, they can have the best practice standards on the books, but measuring outcome and practice are not important. See link:<BR/><BR/>http://www.calea.org/Online/CALEAPrograms/LawEnforcement/lawenfprogram.htm<BR/><BR/>Re:<BR/>1:04 AM Anonymous said... I read that article ... I involuntarily let out ...groans ...Then ... a little bit of vomit actually came up ...<BR/>And 4:58 AM Anonymous said. The repeated accusations are sickening (not to mention indefensible).<BR/><BR/>I suggest you find Chafe et alii then puke on their shoes. (I'll help you look)MTU'76https://www.blogger.com/profile/12033632655757827107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-22580921654822211502007-02-26T21:08:00.000-05:002007-02-26T21:08:00.000-05:00Anonymous 7:08 PMSAID: Not to defend the overall t...Anonymous 7:08 PM<BR/><BR/>SAID: Not to defend the overall tone of this letter, but saying that undisputed racial epithets (plural) were uttered on the night in question is a fact.<BR/><BR/>Yes, that is an important point however for many of us, the response was even more interesting.<BR/><BR/>All across this nation Angry Studies faculty are suggesting a standard reply to such epithets.<BR/><BR/>Learners are told to use the term, OUTRAGED and/or OFFENDED and to call 911 when they hear a epithet...if at all possible. <BR/><BR/>I hear that so often when I visit the universities here, I just roll my eyes.<BR/><BR/>It is an odd feeling for me to sit in a meeting where we are talking about solutions to the complete lack of primary health care for poor Moms and their children and hear young women in the room talk about being 'outraged' or 'offended' because they heard a racist or sexist epithet in the elevator on the way up to the meeting. <BR/><BR/>In response to this silly practice, I have asked that the first five minutes of the agenda for such meetings be turned over to those who wish to talk about how awful the world really is.<BR/><BR/>We now refer to the opening Awful/izing item for the meeting agenda. They have five minutes. <BR/><BR/>People glare at me :-)<BR/><BR/>GPGary Packwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05177986821224068759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-45823566057892057862007-02-26T21:03:00.000-05:002007-02-26T21:03:00.000-05:00eric said... It appears to me that the group of 88...<I>eric said... <BR/>It appears to me that the group of 88 has wide support in the Duke faculty. The only dissenters are the Economics Dept, an engineering professor and a retired physics professor. The president and administration also support the group of 88. The administration with its overly long silence when the case fell apart and letting Curtis flunk 2 students. If the above is true. Then maybe more than just 20 or 30 professors dont like the majority of thier students ie middle class kids <BR/><BR/>2:01 AM <BR/><BR/></I><BR/><BR/>It's more likely that the 88 have little support among other Duke faculty for their positions. What support there is has more to do with supporting personal friends of long standing who are receiving hostile emails and comments. Most faculty do not want to get involved in an increasing bitter argument as they are going to have to continue to work with people on all sides of it, like it or not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-14639117420115371082007-02-26T20:55:00.000-05:002007-02-26T20:55:00.000-05:00Some of the Chafe group’s proposals seem in confli...<I>Some of the Chafe group’s proposals seem in conflict with the public positions and actions of many members of the Group of 88 and clarifying faculty.</I><BR/><BR/>Since what they say is in conflict, maybe the Chafe group actually DISAGREES with actions of the 88, in some respects.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-11321220009192339722007-02-26T19:08:00.000-05:002007-02-26T19:08:00.000-05:00Not to defend the overall tone of this letter, but...Not to defend the overall tone of this letter, but saying that undisputed racial epithets (plural) were uttered on the night in question is a fact.<BR/><BR/>The first undisputed epithet came from Kim (referring to the sexual readiness of white men). The second came from a partygoer (and lacrosse player?) in response, showering her her grandfather with faux courtesy.<BR/><BR/>I do think that it's unlikely these were the undisputed epithets the letter writers had in mind.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-84983212035776800442007-02-26T18:42:00.000-05:002007-02-26T18:42:00.000-05:00Prof Johnson,On a lighter issue, The Durham Police...Prof Johnson,<BR/><BR/>On a lighter issue, The Durham Police Department promotes proudly that the deparment is internationally accredited by CALEA (Commission on Accreditation for Law Enforcement Agencies, Inc., CALEA.org). The city had to spend a fair amount for the certification process - seems if CALEA openned a review DPD would have to work hard to defend their actions and certification status.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-28815052841089519712007-02-26T18:29:00.000-05:002007-02-26T18:29:00.000-05:00KC,This G88 really gets me. They must truely live...KC,<BR/>This G88 really gets me. They must truely live in a world smaller than thier department. Whatever the value of their contribution to the university it is long deminished. I didn't think it earier but I now believe they just don't see student athletes as "real" students or really part of Duke.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-25015124369154614042007-02-26T16:41:00.000-05:002007-02-26T16:41:00.000-05:00Anonymous 9:16Great comment and great summary.Why ...Anonymous 9:16<BR/><BR/>Great comment and great summary.<BR/><BR/>Why don't you copy your 9:16 AM comment and be ready to comment again. People need to read what you had to say.<BR/><BR/>If I was your daughter’s professor, I would just sign her in to my class just as I did for the students who were working off campus. Sometimes I ended up with 2 or 3 more students than the computer said I should have but …life goes on. Not a problem. <BR/><BR/>I’m no longer teaching but that system worked quite well for athletes and others who needed classes at certain times. <BR/><BR/>I saw great similarities between the athletes and those who had to work off campus in 20-30 hour per week jobs. <BR/><BR/>They were highly organized, focused, good students and fantastic in team project work.Gary Packwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05177986821224068759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-20165541205820467512007-02-26T16:32:00.000-05:002007-02-26T16:32:00.000-05:00Several commenters have noted that Brodhead and th...Several commenters have noted that Brodhead and the Trustees support the Group of 88. No, they are afraid of them, and those 88 dogs can smell the fear. Duke needs to hire some dog catchers.dhdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17633994742897353827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-28600822379905286992007-02-26T16:26:00.000-05:002007-02-26T16:26:00.000-05:00Kilgore, at 10:35 AM, great cartoon idea. Pass it...Kilgore, at 10:35 AM, great cartoon idea. Pass it on to the Jonnsville News blog. There are cartoonists on staff.dhdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17633994742897353827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-37572954817509385172007-02-26T16:16:00.000-05:002007-02-26T16:16:00.000-05:00"(1) The institution should act as if that the fac..."(1) The institution should act as if that the facts involving the lacrosse team’s behavior are unchanged from March 31;"<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>If racism and sexism are as rampant on Duke as is implied by the Group of 88 then it should be easy to document. Why don’t we get numerous examples instead of “Listening to Lubiano?” Why latch on a non-rape and non-sexual assault case if there is other stronger evidence?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-72159677499667148542007-02-26T14:44:00.000-05:002007-02-26T14:44:00.000-05:00Re preferential scheduling: 11:01 is right. My dau...Re preferential scheduling: 11:01 is right. My daughter's roommate last year was a Duke athlete (not basketball, not lacrosse), and she was permitted to register for classes before non-athletes. There is a fairly benign reason for this that doesn't have to do with preserving access to the easiest courses: the athletes need to be able to get classes that will fit into their academic programs that don't conflict with their regular practice schedules. This, theoretically, makes it easier for them to be real student-athletes. Of course, just because the ostensible reason is not to allow athletes to choose easy courses doesn't mean that doesn't happen fairly often. I will say that, whether to get easy courses or just to get access to really popular courses (not all of which are easy, believe it or not) or courses that meet at the most convenient times, it is a valuable perk. My daughter, for example, had to sweat bullets last year while waiting to get into a stat class required for her major because she had the last sophomore registration window and all the sections were already full (thankfully, she did move up from the waitlist and took the class)--and such situations are not uncommon. <BR/><BR/>As for tutoring, Duke has a pretty good peer tutoring program for introductory level science, math, economics and foreign languages classes that's available to all students (of course, effectiveness can depend on the individual tutor), but they do have a separate program as well that is available only to student athletes. I don't know whether the program would constitute "unlimited availability"; its website instructs students to attend all classes and discuss their difficulties with the class instructor before seeking tutoring assistance. My daughter's roommate, as far as I know, did not use this tutoring program, so I don't have any inside info on how it really works.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-65240620882971067102007-02-26T14:10:00.000-05:002007-02-26T14:10:00.000-05:00The joke in Las Vegas: what is the difference betw...The joke in Las Vegas: what is the difference between athletes at Duke and UNLV? The athletes at Duke can read before they are admitted. <BR/>Bob Jones, BYU, etc are right wing - not left wing.<BR/>who cares if the school lets in some athletes? Just folk who always got picked last.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-51790959924889794192007-02-26T14:08:00.000-05:002007-02-26T14:08:00.000-05:00Anonymous 9:16 AM You made mention of professors a...Anonymous 9:16 AM <BR/><BR/>You made mention of professors at Duke who are known to be athlete friendly.<BR/><BR/>That begs the question of how many professors are NOT athlete friendly.<BR/><BR/>Good Grief. What on earth is going on over there at Duke?<BR/><BR/>Why do I have that sinking feeling that poor leadership at Duke is going to trigger another Sarbanes-Oxley (type) Act passed into US law that mandates oversight of university governance?<BR/><BR/>Do the trustees know that you have friendly/unfriendly professors for certain groups of students?Gary Packwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05177986821224068759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-15478452867101397332007-02-26T13:38:00.000-05:002007-02-26T13:38:00.000-05:0011:01 NO, NO invitation to dance. Hired to dance a...11:01 NO, NO invitation to dance. Hired to dance at a rate of $200.00 per hour. Hired for two hours ($400.00) and got four minutes of a strip show. As those women are not Gyspy Rose Lee, I am sure four minutes was enough. Tell us "What Happened".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-36969972389200153322007-02-26T13:35:00.000-05:002007-02-26T13:35:00.000-05:0011:01 Show us the evidence. Your being "absolutly ...11:01 Show us the evidence. Your being "absolutly sure" and "ask any student" is heresay information. If this is true, show us where it is in writing - lets see the schedules - with over half the team on the ACC honor role, does not look like they need much turoting. BYW. the team has a 100% graduation rate. See, you can make this stuff up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-80474550162261734512007-02-26T13:10:00.000-05:002007-02-26T13:10:00.000-05:00Prof. Johnson,I haven't posted here before, but I ...Prof. Johnson,<BR/><BR/>I haven't posted here before, but I have followed along your masterful blog entries for many months. I must commend you on your ability to communicate through the written word. I regret that I have not mastered the written English language as well as you, but I hold you up as one to aspire to.<BR/><BR/>Aside from this, I wish to ask the anonymous poster at 4:16 am to indicate if it was intended as a serious statement or a joke of sorts. Among other things, the poster said, <I>"You outsiders can deny, deny, deny, but Chafe's points are all valid. That they are is undisputed, as is illustrated by the statements of this one female student."</I> I find it difficult to understand the intent of a statement like this. At first, the poster tells us that there are outsiders who deny that Chafe's points are valid, yet in the very next sentence asserts that the validity of Chafe's points is undisputed. Then the poster attempts to support that assertion by bringing forward <I>"the statements of this one female student."</I> I realize that at times I am dim, but to which of the female students was the poster referring? There is much more about the post that I have difficulty with, so I am hoping that this was posted as a jest, and not serious commentary.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-32293308356255708722007-02-26T12:40:00.000-05:002007-02-26T12:40:00.000-05:0010:13 Avsolutly correct in your analysis. Any info...10:13 Avsolutly correct in your analysis. Any information on how the gangs enrollment has gone since fall?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-30570903188139285292007-02-26T12:23:00.000-05:002007-02-26T12:23:00.000-05:00Eric, at 2:01am you wrote:It appears to me that th...Eric, at 2:01am you wrote:<BR/><BR/><I>It appears to me that the group of 88 has wide support in the Duke faculty. The only dissenters are the Economics Dept, an engineering professor and a retired physics professor.</I><BR/><BR/>Your conclusion is not entirely true. Based on anectodes, we know the G88 members actually represent a minority view of the Duke faculty. The problem is the majority prefers silence. Having said that, 30 Duke professors already endorsed the letter co-signed by 19 Economics professors. That gives you 49 publicly dissenting professors, and the list is growing. Let us not be too pessimistic about Duke Faculty.<BR/><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://friendsofdukeuniversity.blogspot.com/2006/01/list.html" REL="nofollow"> Duke faculty who do not agree with the G88 view of the lacrosse case </A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-65050612139894229452007-02-26T12:20:00.000-05:002007-02-26T12:20:00.000-05:001) Would there even be a CCI or any of its ilk if ...1) Would there even be a CCI or any of its ilk if it weren't for an original, and false, prejudgment in this case? These Group Thinks are like learning arithmetic from the original premise that 2+2=7 and assuming everything that follows must be correct. <BR/><BR/>2) Since professors and administrators consider it a moral entitlement to maintain control over the extra-curricular activities of their (adult) students, how about considering a radical premise: Instead of Thou Shalt Not Watch Strippers, how about Thou Shalt Not Strip? Where is any mention- any- of the culpability and accountability of the accuser in any of this? <BR/><BR/>3) Where is the real world understanding of the nature of college students? Saying college kids must not drink, must not dislike, must be tolerant, must be homogenous, must not act irresponsibly, is like saying, "water can drown people, we must work to make it less wet."<BR/>Yes, don't break the law. No, George Orwell.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-88784620165870112062007-02-26T12:12:00.000-05:002007-02-26T12:12:00.000-05:00To 9:16 My daughter is an athlete and has never ...To 9:16<BR/><BR/> My daughter is an athlete and has never been offered tutoring services. Perhaps their are teams that receive such tutors, but the men and women's teams in my daughter's sport do not. In addition, my daughter must have missed the memo on what professors are "athlete friendly". The only consideration when deciding each semesters' classes are does it meet a general education or major requirement and does it conflict with her athletic schedule. Practice time takes up four hours of the afternoon, therefore, the athletes have a limited time frame in which to schedule their classes. In other words, they are denied the opportunity to take classes anytime during that four hour window. Because of those limitations, athletes are allowed to register before the general student body. The preferential scheduling allows the athletes to obtain the classes needed to graduate in four years. Even so, my daughter will be attending at least two summer sessions in order to graduate since overloading isn't permitted.<BR/> If you think it is easy being a Division I athlete and maintaining a high GPA at Duke, I believe you are misinformed. My daughter had top high school grades, top SAT scores, and was able to maintain an extremely busy athletic schedule in high school. However, the jump to Division I athletics (and the very competitive ACC conference), living in a dorm where other students stay up late because many don't have 8 o'clock classes, hosting recruits, traveling across the country, missing classes and making up tests/quizzes, and each semester having at least one professor that make her life miserable for participating in athletics is exhausting and stressful.<BR/> Don't misunderstand, she has grown and matured quickly because of the discipline it takes to become a successful Duke student athlete. In addition, she is proud to represent Duke, loves her team, and feels incredibly fortunate to participate in a sport she loves. However, there are many social sacrifices. Instead of attending a social or another athletic event, she generally attempts to study and get to bed at a decent hour. As an athlete, the students are encouraged to also participate in many Durham activities. In addition, to the athletic/academic obligations, she participates in Habitat for Humanity, Athletes in Action, worked two mornings a week last fall at a Durham elementary school, and this spring is working six hours/week at a middle school.<BR/> You also fail to understand the number of injuries these athletes often suffer. My own daughter has had numerous painful injuries, hours of physical therapy, surgery on both legs - try navigating Duke's campus on crutches and attempting to reach classrooms located in buildings with no elevators. In addition, try to study for finals and complete papers when your leg is swollen to three times its normal size due to infection following surgery and your body is loaded up with Oxycontin to manage the pain. Frankly, most of the public has no idea the amount of time, sacrifice, pain, and discipline it takes to both compete in a sport you love and suceed in the classroom. <BR/> Having attended college on an academic scholarship, my college experience was a breeze compared to my daughter's daily schedule. All I had to do was attend class and study. Her schedule is jam packed every single day from the time she rises until she collapses into bed at night. However, she has noticed her senior teammates have all received good job offers. Prospective employers recognize the difficulty of maintaining this schedule for four years and often reward them with good jobs.<BR/> To sterotype all 600 athletes at Duke as "jocks" attempting to enroll in the easiest classes is inaccurate and unfair.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-36286850631730568762007-02-26T11:33:00.000-05:002007-02-26T11:33:00.000-05:00A few years ago, Steve Sailer profiled Jane Elliot...A few years ago, Steve Sailer profiled <A HREF="http://www.vdare.com/fulford/years_of_rage.htm" REL="nofollow">Jane Elliott</A> and her insights:<BR/><BR/>"An Unfinished Crusade<BR/><BR/>"Because we are still conditioning people in this country and, indeed, all over the globe to the myth of white superiority. We are constantly being told that we don't have racism in this country anymore, but most of the people who are saying that are white. White people think it isn't happening because it isn't happening to them."<BR/><BR/>If Ward Churchill isn't available to guide Duke's diversity training efforts, I hope that Jane Elliott can be prevailed on to accept a full professorship for this important task.AMachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08872008617279528583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-87195832153369179092007-02-26T11:01:00.001-05:002007-02-26T11:01:00.001-05:00One of the persistent meta-narratives of the Hoax ...One of the persistent meta-narratives of the Hoax has centered on Stripper Parties.<BR/><BR/>Was the lacrosse team's evening a unique exercise in randy degeneracy, with the very invitation of the dancers highly suggestive that (to paraphrase campus wits Houston Baker and Shadee Malaklou) <I>something happened</I>?<BR/><BR/>Or, was the party an unexceptional if tawdry part of collegians' entertainment?<BR/><BR/>The quavering, anonymous voice in Chafe's letter gives us a hint: It's both!<BR/><BR/>Whichever best fits the storytelling of the moment--<I>that's</I> the answer.AMachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08872008617279528583noreply@blogger.com