tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post4764950211836781849..comments2024-02-24T05:19:10.949-05:00Comments on Durham-in-Wonderland: Mangum's Alternate Realitykcjohnson9http://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comBlogger51125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-6073235239301045022008-10-07T12:38:00.000-04:002008-10-07T12:38:00.000-04:00I believe that CGM has no interest in being provid...I believe that CGM has no interest in being provided an opportunity to tell her side of the story. She does not seek vindication for actions. She does not care if she is judged to be right or wrong.<BR/><BR/>She only wants to profit from selling her books. So, I would advise against doing anything to help publicize its launch. She will have spent all her money, probably before she gets it, and so none would be left to take from her in a court judgement.<BR/><BR/>Remember the lessons from the early battles against pornography. The great majority of the public had no interest in such films as "Deep Throat" until great objections were made about it. I suspect the same will be true about this book.<BR/><BR/>So, would the families be better off to immediately sue, be proven right and help the book sales? Or should they let this thing quickly fade away and die with only a few hundred sales?<BR/><BR/>Wouldn't it be best to wait and see what, if any, splash it makes before launching an attack upon it - either in the blogs or in court?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-45950492605758184732008-10-07T10:58:00.000-04:002008-10-07T10:58:00.000-04:00I think the statue of limitations has most certain...I think the statue of limitations has most certainly passed for pursuing criminal charges against Ms. Mangum. <BR/><BR/>Surely, appropriate lawsuits await publication of her book...assuming she was foolish enough to print the stuff she claimed in her interview. <BR/><BR/>I am disappointed Ms. Mangum's college graduation did not portend a period of stability and honesty for her and hope the remaining legal avenues against her will be accessed fully. <BR/><BR/>ObserverAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-17045826406564817952008-10-07T08:39:00.000-04:002008-10-07T08:39:00.000-04:00To af & Debrah - Unfortunately Kim Roberts rui...To af & Debrah - <BR/><BR/>Unfortunately Kim Roberts ruined her own credibility... <BR/><BR/>Although it would be nice to hear the truth about 'that night' from Ms. Roberts .... like Mangum any story she tells at this point should be viewed with the knowledge that the source is a proven liar. Roberts has all but said she's willing to lie for the right price.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-90392907944209689332008-10-07T08:27:00.000-04:002008-10-07T08:27:00.000-04:00af said Precious took a lot of deposits and someho...af said <I>Precious took a lot of deposits and somehow I can't imagine that she did them for free</I>.<BR/><BR/>Actually, the guy that ran the club she worked at said she did do it for free at times. She really is a crazy one. <BR/><BR/>I'm confident that if and when the book comes out, there will be a law suit waiting for her from anybody and everybody she lies about. <BR/><BR/>gakgakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08800375939733250154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-7838005003172028382008-10-06T20:56:00.000-04:002008-10-06T20:56:00.000-04:00RL Alum 75 @ 5:46 PM writes:"fire Films and Books ...RL Alum 75 @ 5:46 PM writes:<BR/><BR/><I>"fire Films and Books LLC" was born as a corporation in NC 9/17/2008.<BR/>[this doesn't correspond particularly with a May 'publication' date as originally planned.]<BR/><BR/>The initial registered agent is..<BR/>(drum roll)<BR/>Alan McSurely."</I><BR/><BR/>This is not unususal, per se. It is common in most States for an attorney who files Articles of Incorporation for a client to then be listed as the "initital registered agent."<BR/><BR/>This likely means that Vincent Clark engaged the services of McSurely to file the documents for his new corporation. <BR/><BR/>Of course, one important reason to create a corporation (and there are many reasons) is to limit personal liability for whatever business the corporation engages in, and with Mangum's book as a project, that is clearly a wise move.<BR/><BR/>It might be interesting to see who the Officers and Directors of this corporation are. That information is often required to be filed at the Secretary of State's Office.<BR/><BR/>One SpookOne Spookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592774438681904368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-42907004829969602612008-10-06T19:01:00.000-04:002008-10-06T19:01:00.000-04:00Debrah hit on a great idea--why not contact Kim. ...Debrah hit on a great idea--why not contact Kim. Is she in the book? She made no bones early on about admitting that she was in it for the money. Precious could have easily bought her off for the right price. <BR/>Precious took a lot of deposits and somehow I can't imagine that she did them for free. Funny that the only ones who could lift her spirits were the LAX players with money.<BR/>Pattern anyone?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-54892677605952874322008-10-06T18:54:00.000-04:002008-10-06T18:54:00.000-04:00OK.Register me officially major-league perturbed.J...OK.<BR/><BR/>Register me officially major-league perturbed.<BR/><BR/>Just phoned the Regulator Book Store and on October 20th, Timothy Tyson....along with J. Peder Zane will be there discussing "Race in the 2008 Elections".<BR/><BR/>Can anything be more insipid?<BR/><BR/>Someone asked Tyson to take part in something like this?<BR/><BR/>On one hand, I'd like to be there.<BR/><BR/>On the other hand, I know that if I were to go, it will be a most volcanic episode.<BR/><BR/>Does the Diva really want to subject herself to such a bizarre evening?Debrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04567454727276881424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-47057966371186704882008-10-06T17:46:00.000-04:002008-10-06T17:46:00.000-04:00Well, well ,well.A little research:"fire Films and...Well, well ,well.<BR/><BR/>A little research:<BR/><BR/>"fire Films and Books LLC" was born as a corporation in NC 9/17/2008.<BR/>[this doesn't correspond particularly with a May 'publication' date as originally planned.]<BR/><BR/>The name of the 'person' executing these articles of organization is "LegalZoom.com" an online legal document service!!!!<BR/><BR/>The initial registered agent is..<BR/>(drum roll)<BR/>Alan McSurely.<BR/>NC NAACP Legal Redress Committee Chair, co-author of the infamous 'memorandum of law', protestor of KC's inclusion of his statements in UPI without KC's asking him for comment prior to publication- KC produced emails showing that he HAD been offered opportunity to comment prior to publication AND-<BR/>sender of this message to CGM on the ourheartsworld website:<BR/>“After you finish your undergraduate studies, I will be glad to help you get into law school, where all of the legal education you are now getting can be put to use helping other sisters whose rights have been violated by lying people.”<BR/><BR/>At least I won't lose any more sleep worrying about whether or not 'Ed' Clark and CGM have consulted a lawyer.<BR/><BR/>Curiouser and curiouser....<BR/><BR/>RL alum '75Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-55393489552974874472008-10-06T14:39:00.000-04:002008-10-06T14:39:00.000-04:00Debrah 10/6/08::9:26 AM said... ...It's still hard...Debrah 10/6/08::9:26 AM said... <BR/><BR/>...It's still hard to believe after what everyone has been through during the Lacrosse Hoax that Mangum is out there now reliving the lies for profit.<BR/>::<BR/>So true but lest we forget, there were two groups of professional level employees on the Duke campus that were reporting crime rates on campus that exceeded the crime rate for Detroit, Michigan.<BR/><BR/>And they got away with it for many months. And they are still employed by Duke as is the President of Duke.<BR/><BR/>Mangum is small change and needs to be bundled with the big players and vetted as a network of (con) fidence people with an agenda that has nothing to do with high education. <BR/>::<BR/>GPGary Packwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05177986821224068759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-11730256556383981272008-10-06T12:20:00.000-04:002008-10-06T12:20:00.000-04:00"Missing DNA evidence found throughout the house r..."Missing DNA evidence found throughout the house ruled out before police properly evaluated it." WOW and ABSURD! <BR/>Where was the DNA on CGM? There is no evidence that she went home and washed off the evidence. She wouldn't take a shower/bath after having mutual sex with 5 other male "johns".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-38158113307411778782008-10-06T11:20:00.000-04:002008-10-06T11:20:00.000-04:00I didn't even know that Duke University had an NAA...I didn't even know that Duke University had an <A HREF="http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/1244372.html" REL="nofollow">NAACP chapter</A>.<BR/><BR/>Do colleges and universities have their own distinct chapters?<BR/><BR/>I have often wondered.....as well as experienced a bit of regret and pity.....that there are kids being raised in the 21st century who are taught this way.<BR/><BR/>Who are instructed to obsess about their own personal ancestry---real or invented---to the exclusion of the entire world around them.<BR/><BR/>Another bit of news I had not known: The "African-American" classes now begin indoctrination as early as high school.<BR/><BR/>Their education is not comprehensive. It does nothing to suggest that they are independent individuals who have many more advantages than others because of the programs set up solely because of their race. Those advantages which have been in place for decades are simply taken for granted.<BR/><BR/>Nothing is taught in an objective way.<BR/><BR/>Privately, some university professors lament the effects that these kinds of subjective, insular, and soft curricula have.<BR/><BR/>A degree that is essentially worthless.<BR/><BR/>And when they get out into the real world, they will wonder why they might not be hired.<BR/><BR/>The old excuses will be used when it's essentially because they have not prepared themselves for a panoramic society.<BR/><BR/>Just for their own limited one.<BR/><BR/>These kinds of courses taught by those such as Duke's Gang of 88 should be outlawed.Debrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04567454727276881424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-22825414591559664922008-10-06T11:15:00.000-04:002008-10-06T11:15:00.000-04:00The sad fact of the matter is there are large grou...The sad fact of the matter is there are large groups of people who (despite the mountain of evidence & the findings of AG Cooper) absolutely believe Ms. Mangum was attacked. Furthermore, no matter what happens they will not change their minds. In fact, Barack Obama used to attend church with many of them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-91974961374065663552008-10-06T11:01:00.000-04:002008-10-06T11:01:00.000-04:00Oprah will be the commencement speaker at Duke's g...Oprah will be the <A HREF="http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/1244694.html" REL="nofollow">commencement speaker</A> at Duke's graduation in 2009.<BR/><BR/>I'll bet big Karla FC will bask in Oprah's <I>aura</I>.<BR/><BR/>Wahneema and all the other 88 gang will be so inspired that new forthcoming books will automatically be in the pipeline over at the John Hope Franklin building.<BR/><BR/>I'd be more inspired if Oprah would do a show on the truth of 2006 at Duke.<BR/><BR/>IIRC, she touched on the subject back then with a panel of commentators which included Montel Williams among others.<BR/><BR/>Wow, that must have been <I>hard-hitting</I>.<BR/><BR/>Seriously, since Oprah bills herself as such an authentic person, if I were a kid participating in that commencement, I would demand comments from her on the Lacrosse Hoax that deal with the true legal realities of the case.Debrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04567454727276881424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-37148636720226503002008-10-06T09:26:00.000-04:002008-10-06T09:26:00.000-04:00TO GP--There is simply not enough push-back agains...TO GP--<BR/><BR/>There is simply not enough push-back against such organizations. The media will never challenge anything controversial unless forced to do so.<BR/><BR/>It's insignificant what someone wishes to believe, personally.<BR/><BR/>It's when they bring it into the public arena and try to damage other people that someone must begin pushing back forcefully. <BR/><BR/>It's still hard to believe after what everyone has been through during the Lacrosse Hoax that Mangum is out there now reliving the lies for profit.Debrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04567454727276881424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-88702479178631052102008-10-06T09:16:00.000-04:002008-10-06T09:16:00.000-04:00I found this blog by accident. At the time I had j...I found this blog by accident. At the time I had just finished reading<BR/>2 books Outrage:The Story behind the Tawana Brawley Hoax and Unholy Alliances, Working the Tawana Brawley Story. I started there because I found it interesting that after all of this time that last year Tawana Brawley challenged the NY attorney general to open up her case,she was willing to speak, she wanted her story to be heard! He didn't bite.The most telling remark came from her mother. They wanted justice but more so she was lamenting the the fact that they "should be millionaires". I find it just amazing that under the same kinds of cicrcumstances we have history repeating itself. Crystal wants to tell her story, who knows why but with any luck no one else will bite either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-54602896339435086062008-10-06T09:14:00.000-04:002008-10-06T09:14:00.000-04:00These are the types of idle people who jump at the...These are the types of idle people who jump at the chance to prop up Mangum's perpetual lies.<BR/><BR/>The past injustices that some wish to relive and embellish with grand license have long been addressed.<BR/><BR/>It will never be enough.....simply because this is how many wish to make a living.<BR/><BR/>Each of the two men quoted in this article have a checkered history that has been in Triangle newspapers.<BR/><BR/>Imagine everyone of us using our days to reach back into history and relive what was done to our ancestors.....and expect today's society and today's taxpayers to pay US for it?<BR/><BR/>This is a sick mentality and one that must be ignored.<BR/><BR/>These are the same nuts who will stand behind Mangum no matter what is known to be the truth.<BR/><BR/>Are things like this significant?<BR/><BR/>When newspapers interview such people and continually print their embellishments without challenging the veracity---or the sanity!---of such an idle workshop, discord and needless damage prevails.<BR/><BR/>The media will never strongly challenge the Hoax enablers, just as the silly display below is never challenged.<BR/><BR/>The obvious questions to these two men would be?<BR/><BR/>Why are you wasting time on such issues when you both were never damaged by them?<BR/><BR/>Yet both of you have benefited greatly from taxpayer money with your various "projects" which always require public funds.<BR/><BR/>What exactly is the purpose of more money being thrown your way?<BR/><BR/>More superfluous trumped up silliness which the media turns into a "story".<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><I>NAACP marchers call for payments<BR/><BR/>By Matthew E. Milliken : The Herald-Sun<BR/>Oct 6, 2008<BR/><BR/>DURHAM -- Thirteen people marched east through Durham Sunday morning to help the state NAACP commemorate its 65th anniversary. <BR/><BR/>The event, which was followed by a morning press conference and an evening worship service and history lesson, was one of a series of five-mile marches throughout North Carolina leading up to this week's state conference of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. <BR/><BR/>The NAACP hopes the marches will publicize two injustices that it would like to see addressed through state compensation: the 1898 Wilmington race riot, in which a murderous mob of 2,000 whites deposed the city's government in an armed coup d'â??©tâ??â? t, and the forced sterilization by Forsyth County of 7,600 people, including many blacks, in the 20th century. <BR/><BR/>Another goal of the organization was promoting its so-called HK on J -- "Historic Thousands on Jones" -- agenda, a comprehensive package of governmental and social changes that calls for, among other things, a safety net for the poor and the protection of the rights of immigrants. <BR/><BR/>Redressing the Wilmington and Forsyth episodes is another aim of the agenda. <BR/><BR/>Keith Cook is one of the state NAACP's district directors. "We're here to bring light to that truth," he said. "So there's some ugly things in North Carolina's history that we want to straighten up." <BR/><BR/>"There is no freedom without truth," the Rev. Curtis Gatewood, second vice president of the state NAACP, told reporters. <BR/><BR/>Referring to the 13 marchers and 22 NAACP supporters who provided a backdrop for cameras at the press conference, Cook said: "We always start small, but there's a small group of people who will speak for the masses." <BR/><BR/>Fred Foster Jr., head of the NAACP's Durham branch, thanked the marchers. "It meant a lot to Durham County, and it means a lot to us now that you stand with us shoulder to shoulder and represent the county of Durham, because you are what it's going to take to turn this thing around." <BR/><BR/>Later, Foster said North Carolina government needed to make amends to descendants of victims and victims, respectively, of the Wilmington riot and Forsyth sterilizations. <BR/><BR/>"First, admit that you did wrong, then correct the wrong by giving those people that are still around reparations," Foster said. "And then the other thing is to put it back in the [history] books so that everybody knows." <BR/><BR/>Marcher Milton Blackmon, a 53-year-old university administrator, recalled marching from Hillsborough Road to Main Street and through Durham's downtown in the 1960s. He wasn't nostalgic for that decade's harsh conditions. <BR/><BR/>"A lot of improvement [since then], but there's still room for more improvement," Blackmon said. <BR/><BR/>Sunday's parade, which traced the route Blackmon remembered, started shortly after 7:30 a.m.</I>Debrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04567454727276881424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-19987839311723169182008-10-06T07:50:00.000-04:002008-10-06T07:50:00.000-04:00Speaking of "payoffs," when Cooper dropped the cha...Speaking of "payoffs," when Cooper dropped the charges, the every-present liar Wendy Murphy declared that the defense had "paid off" Mangum and her family.<BR/><BR/>This was a curious statement, given that Mangum still wanted to keep going. (I guess she did not want to stop getting free money from the "victims' fund.) However, when one realizes that the entire case was a lie, we should not be surprised that the liars involved always came up with new lies to cover the old ones.<BR/><BR/>Don't forget that the North Carolina NAACP continued to make the same charges against the defendants long after Cooper's declaration. This was not due to an oversight; it was a statement that the NAACP had invested much in this false story, and was not going to let it go under any circumstances.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-37753804386365334222008-10-06T07:43:00.000-04:002008-10-06T07:43:00.000-04:00Another comment about CGM's pregnancy.The A&am...Another comment about CGM's pregnancy.<BR/><BR/>The A&T article said that CGM's powerful testimony convinced many in her audience. So why has she not taken her powerful testimony to court.<BR/><BR/>If the court ordered paternity test had indicated one of the Lacrosse players had fathered the child, she would have had cause to sue for support. She could have given powerful testimony to back up such a suit. She has not.<BR/><BR/>The question, again, is, does the victim of a brutal, violent rape shortly thereafter go out and have voluntary intercourse?<BR/><BR/>I would like to see her added to the Lacrosse players' lawsuit just so their lawyers can ask her about this.unbekanntehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04156000065948879683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-90558744849350260972008-10-06T01:47:00.000-04:002008-10-06T01:47:00.000-04:00When society rewards bad behavior, no one should b...When society rewards bad behavior, no one should be suprised when further bad behavior is produced.<BR/><BR/>This sort of thing is <B>very</B> destructive, particuarly when the scale is large. With no disincentives, trouble widens and deepens, spreading like disease.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-63489474925827324872008-10-05T22:39:00.000-04:002008-10-05T22:39:00.000-04:00I think we need some information about where Kim R...I think we need some information about where Kim Roberts is now.<BR/><BR/>Someone ought to do a story on her.<BR/><BR/>Give her some money so that she'll <I>sing</I>.<BR/><BR/>If she were to tell the whole story about what she witnessed that night, Mangum and company would be blown out of the water.<BR/><BR/>For enough compensation, Roberts would likely <I>give it up</I>.......... placing sisterhood and solidarity with the <I>hood</I> on the back burner.Debrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04567454727276881424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-34632448284042786062008-10-05T21:57:00.000-04:002008-10-05T21:57:00.000-04:00Debrah 10/5/08::10:33 AM said... ...Do they think...Debrah 10/5/08::10:33 AM said... <BR/><BR/>...Do they think someone like Roy Cooper is just lying?<BR/>::<BR/>Sure do. Just part of the narrative for the Violence Against Women Legislation which is up for re-authorization in 2010.<BR/><BR/>Meet Cindy Dyer at the US Department of Justice. <BR/><BR/>http://www.ovw.usdoj.gov/<BR/>::<BR/>GPGary Packwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05177986821224068759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-42781027074480580832008-10-05T20:22:00.000-04:002008-10-05T20:22:00.000-04:00Another interesting issue:There is now an online p...Another interesting issue:<BR/><BR/>There is now an online petition to support Bill Ayers, the unrepentant terrorist leader, who works along with gang88 type racists and america-haters in "education" sector:<BR/><A HREF="http://www.supportbillayers.org/" REL="nofollow">supportbillayers.org</A><BR/><BR/>How many Gang88 members can you find there?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-21381766624907951422008-10-05T20:13:00.000-04:002008-10-05T20:13:00.000-04:00If anyone had doubts about the value of an NCCU di...If anyone had doubts about the value of an NCCU diploma in criminal justice, the graduation (with honors) of Precious made the value drop quicker than the stock market has in the past two weeks. It does fit though, especially when you look at the courses required for a degree. There's Intro to Psychology, Ethics in Criminal Justice, CJ Theory, Criminal Law, and Criminal Procedure, among others and the general requirements. Anyone wanna bet that the DPD sent guest lecturers for the Criminal Procedure class, or that Mikey himself taught Criminal Law. The 88 Gang members probably had a hand in the Ethics class and Precious was most likely a case study in the Psych class.<BR/>Anyone know with what honors she graduated?<BR/>I must assume that the statute of limitations has run out on her first "rape". I would recommend that each and every LAX player sue if so many as ONE book is published.<BR/>Like the campaign stories in this year's election, the same whatever correctness crowd wants to treat a liar, a criminal, a deviant with kid gloves. Why is she so teflon coated? She tried to ruin the lives of at least three LAX players. Sure, AG Cooper declared them innocent. That cannot and will not expunge the events from the memories of anyone who could comprehend the news during 2006. These boys will always be known for the Duke LAX rape. Not the hoax, the rape. CGM will be lost in the shuffle.<BR/>If the book goes to print, then the Duke settlement should look like pennies. Why not attach her future wages? She could always wear an ankle bracelet. Put an altimeter on it and then we will always know how far she has been levitated as well.<BR/>Wonderland? Dix Hill!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-31545739391650538052008-10-05T19:35:00.000-04:002008-10-05T19:35:00.000-04:00Well, I for one am disappointed in the readers of ...Well, I for one am disappointed in the readers of this blog for failing to exhibit tolerance, sensitivity, and a sense of social justice. Where is your ability to appreciate true diversity? Will you be the one to cast the first stone? All of the above are leaders in a great movement, the New Reconstruction. Think of the Civil Rights era of the 60's as an analogue of the American Civil War, and the situation today as analagous to the Reconstruction of the South. I can surely see many carpetbaggers and scalawags taking advantage of every opportunity. Many of us find ourselves on a fast track to a place we really do not wish to be. I will give you one guess as to who will be driving the train come next year, and, as a corollary, can you guess whom all of the above will be voting for? Sorry, KC.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-84822092547032443262008-10-05T16:01:00.000-04:002008-10-05T16:01:00.000-04:00Thanks, K.C. Those of us who admire both you and o...Thanks, K.C. Those of us who admire both you and our friend Baldo...are greatly appreciative.<BR/><BR/>This was an appalling discovery but one that highlights Baldo's dedication and determination.(so much like yours)<BR/><BR/>Thank you again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com