tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post4942931152959650646..comments2024-02-24T05:19:10.949-05:00Comments on Durham-in-Wonderland: Group of 88 Statementkcjohnson9http://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-53616409760759119092007-09-29T19:11:00.000-04:002007-09-29T19:11:00.000-04:00The "listening statement" can be seen here:http://...The "listening statement" can be seen here:<BR/>http://web.archive.org/web/20060825054233/http://www.duke.edu/web/africanameric/listening.pdf<BR/><BR/>While the "Group of 88" signers are here:<BR/>http://web.archive.org/web/20060825152609/http://www.duke.edu/web/africanameric/supporters.pdfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-5754255926942676452007-04-13T08:16:00.000-04:002007-04-13T08:16:00.000-04:00Ironically, the document listing the Group of 88’s...<I>Ironically, the document listing the Group of 88’s membership remains on the Duke server, though who knows for how long.</I><BR/><BR/>It's gone now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-76911277663787360412007-01-17T14:42:00.000-05:002007-01-17T14:42:00.000-05:00Here in the midwest the voice we have heard of the...Here in the midwest the voice we have heard of the Duke faculty has only been that of the disgusting, race baiting Group of 88. Where are the voices who are the right side of this miscarriage of justice ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-62583445815367671662006-11-11T17:54:00.000-05:002006-11-11T17:54:00.000-05:00For those of you reading who normally contribute t...For those of you reading who normally contribute to Duke and who are thinking about not doing that this year, you will want to know that you can make your charitable contribution directly to support the research of an individual professor. I'm thinking Steven Baldwin would be a good choice. Simply contact the chemistry department chair or the chair of any other department. If you do this make sure that the development people know that you diverted your money.<br /><br />KC - any chance you could do a post on this? Duke really needs to be sent a message.<br /><br />p.s. I have three Duke diplomas and my wife has two. We won't be contributing this year either. I wish we had enough money for that to make a difference.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-14767788902629726882006-11-11T15:19:00.000-05:002006-11-11T15:19:00.000-05:00To Anon @9;33 am,
You begin: "Unfortunately the g...To Anon @9;33 am,<br /><br />You begin: "Unfortunately the group of faculty and “other” who signed the notorious “We Are Listening” letter is still being taken to represent the majority of Duke faculty, not a small minority."<br /><br />So far the "88" has been the "loudest" and most numerous faculty group actively speaking in response to the hoax.. <br /><br />With a few honorable exceptions, the rest of the faculty has either exhibited "88-like" behavior - Wells, Starn and Wiegman come to mind - or remained silent.<br /><br />What are people to think "the majority of Duke faculty" believe?<br /><br /><br />Thank you for sharing parts of the letter you wrote after a department "colleague" signed your dept. onto the statement.<br /><br />I thought something like that may have happened in more than one of the depts., programs, etc. listed as supporting the statement.<br /><br />How those "signing ons" were done will tell us a lot about A&S's faculty culture.<br /><br />I've a number of faculty friends who are saying something I'd think you'd agree with: "The faculty needs to get its voice back." <br /><br />Any ideas about how you'll do that?<br /><br />I wish many more faculty would do as you did here: talk with us about why certain things happened at Duke and how things can be put as right as possible.<br /><br />For example, why did so many in higher admin and on the A&S faculty embrace such a wildly improbable hoax, or at least go along with those who did? <br /><br />Thank you for commenting.<br /><br />John <br />www.johnincarolina.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-29066811314388276252006-11-11T11:55:00.000-05:002006-11-11T11:55:00.000-05:00I see in an earlier post that someone got a call f...I see in an earlier post that someone got a call from Duke regarding a financial contribution. If it was the same as the one I received, it was about a $100 donation to Trinity College. The collected monies would be used at the discretion of the professors. I asked the caller (a Duke junior) if he could assure me that none of the money would go to a member of the Gang of 88. He didn't know what I was talking about, so I informed him. Since he offered no assurance, I turned down his solicitation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-49497492937818421472006-11-11T10:44:00.000-05:002006-11-11T10:44:00.000-05:00Anon 9:33 am:
"My letter was received coldly..."
...Anon 9:33 am:<br /><br />"My letter was received coldly..."<br /><br />I'll bet!<br /><br />Thank you for your response, and reminding me, at least, to not subconciously lump the other hundreds of Duke faculty in with the Gang of 88.GPrestonianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18260086590345511133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-90671906365259741112006-11-11T09:59:00.000-05:002006-11-11T09:59:00.000-05:00As a faculty member at a small liberal arts colleg...As a faculty member at a small liberal arts college, I'm frequently bothered by the "politization" of academia. How does that not create a "hostile environment" for students? As a treacher, I'm always aware that I stand in a position of power in relation to my students; their grades, their future livelihoods, are in my hands. How can that not intimidate students? And if they know that I'll act in hostility towards members of the student body for political motives, how can that not poison the classroom environment? I make it a point to, as much as possible, hide my personal opinions from my students. Or I take the Jon Stewart approach & snark everyone equally. Otherwise, I'm not doing my students a service. I'm just using my bully pulpit to initimdate, threaten, and coerce them.Miguel Centellashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03412326196288989046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-86600919296549556752006-11-11T09:55:00.000-05:002006-11-11T09:55:00.000-05:00I've always assumed the Group of 88 by no means re...I've always assumed the Group of 88 by no means represented the majority sentiment among Duke faculty. Therefore if a group of faculty were willing to stand up FOR the students who've been railroaded, I'm sure the readers of this blog would be more than happy to pay for an ad in the Chronicle in their supportAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-81674268827743959002006-11-11T09:33:00.000-05:002006-11-11T09:33:00.000-05:00Unfortunately the group of faculty and “other” who...Unfortunately the group of faculty and “other” who signed the notorious “We Are Listening” letter is still being taken to represent the majority of Duke faculty, not a small minority. It may be useful to add one further detail concerning mention, in the last paragraph of the letter, of “departments and programs signing onto this ad.” When I found that my own department had been included without any discussion among its members, I wrote to the colleague who had taken this initiative: <br /> <br />I'm not at this point interested in inaugurating a grand departmental controversy, but after reflection I do feel compelled to raise a small point of conscience. ...I managed to miss the Chronicle ad in which the department was subscribed as supporting the "We Are Listening" advertisement, along with an available listing (I am told) of members of the department. I have seen a reproduction of the statement in the Chronicle online edition, and would never have wished to subscribe to the posture represented there. I gather that you were instrumental in including all of us, willy nillly, in this statement, which in effect robbed each member of the department of the right to choose: in effect, cancelling our individuality. This is a serious matter, as you will recognize. The phrase "totalitarian liberalism" comes to mind, which is every bit as dangerous as the neo-racist trend among blacks to privilege group entitlement seeking group revenge over the earlier effort to achieve equal justice for all. You might Google Thomas Sowell (a black, conservative senior fellow at the Hoover Institute) for his trenchant column on just this....<br /> To set the record straight, would your intemperate colleagues in promoting this ad consider publishing a list of those who were included in it without their consent? Or must I too cry, "Rape, rape!"<br /><br />My letter was received coldly, and there was no response to my final suggestion.<br /><br />And although the impression of faculty hostility towards the Lacrosse team is still being taken to represent a general attitude, I can at least speak for myself. In some forty-five years of teaching at Duke I’ve known more Lacrosse players than participants in any other sport on campus, and have found them good students and, in some cases, good friends; several have distinguished themselves in remarkable ways both while in my classes (one learned to sightread the difficult Latin of the concluding books of St Augustine’s Confessions with breathtaking facility) and afterwards (a student early on joined the Peace Corps, learned to speak Arabic, and has more recently served as a principal executive of a major New England investment fund). I don’t imagine that mine is an isolated experience, and I regret that the intemperance of a few has been taken to represent the many.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-64187868363011742922006-11-11T09:19:00.000-05:002006-11-11T09:19:00.000-05:00To answer the question above:
"I like the work KC...To answer the question above:<br /><br />"I like the work KC is doing but what is wrong with the anonymous question about whether KC has received any financial compensation or has any other connections to the defense?"<br /><br />I have received no financial compensation of any form, from any source, for my work on this case.<br /><br />I have no connections to the defense, other than the fact that I speak to sources (as, I suspect, everyone covering the case does).kcjohnson9https://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-66754287751813585332006-11-11T09:11:00.000-05:002006-11-11T09:11:00.000-05:00FYI, I checked the listening.pdf file that I took ...FYI, I checked the listening.pdf file that I took off the AAAS site last week.<br /><br />Per Acrobat Reader 7.0, relevant properties are:<br /><br />Title - werelistening3.indd<br /><br />Created - 4/4/2006 6:20:51 AM<br /><br />Modified - 4/5/2006 8:43:25 AM<br /><br />So if you have something other than those dates you've got a copy that isn't 'original'.<br /><br />Was hoping that the properties section would show the author... perhaps the full-blown Acrobat would show more info?GPrestonianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18260086590345511133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-23317627375355592772006-11-11T08:02:00.000-05:002006-11-11T08:02:00.000-05:00Twaddlefree,
I don't recall receiving an email fr...Twaddlefree,<br /><br />I don't recall receiving an email from you, and I don't have a spam guard (but Yahoo sticks the bulk mail in another folder, but yours was not bulk).<br /><br />To be honest, I hope after this is over K.C. can make a million bucks on this thing, but he never got into this because of that. I suspect that his involvement has been similar to mine: start off with a few things, and then the whole business starts to cascade.<br /><br />Let's face it. No one in the spring had any idea this case would metastisize like it has done.<br /><br />William L. ("Bill") AndersonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-7586246609215270582006-11-11T07:54:00.000-05:002006-11-11T07:54:00.000-05:00Seems to me, that there's a racist lynch mob who's...Seems to me, that there's a racist lynch mob who's being protected by 'the man'.<br /><br />Bull Conner would be proud of them.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02200464628719713036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-72872943108271933762006-11-11T01:20:00.000-05:002006-11-11T01:20:00.000-05:00Anonymous 10:53 pm said:
"Because it's irrelevant...Anonymous 10:53 pm said:<br /><br /><i>"Because it's irrelevant when it comes to his arguments. The arguments hold or fail based on their own merits, not the merits of the people advancing them.</i><br /><br />Exactly. And based on the intelligence displayed in the format of those questions (which looks like a depo to me, too), what is bothering the poser is really the EXPOSURE that KC has given to the truth. The questions are a form of INNUENDO used to imply that KC is a mouthpiece for information given to him by defense lawyers and, therefore, cannot be relied upon as fact and logical analysis of that fact. <br /><br />Even if KC has accepted money to justly compensate him for his time and expenses in covering this story and producing this blog, I would have to say that I believe Editor Ashley and Reporter Stephenson get paid for their renditions of "news and analysis," too, don't they? (Although that is grounds for misappropriation of funds.) In fact, I'm curious, too, as to what the answers would be to those questions with "Nifong" replacing the "Duke" and "lacrosse" references if asked to Ashley, Stephenson, and a few others.<br /><br />I would love to answer questions like Anon 7:07 asked with a simple "no." All but one of the questions in such a list could be a "yes," but if there is ONE "no," your answer would truthful. That forces the interrogator, who always thinks he knows the answers already because, as I said, the questions are innuendo, to ask for details. Voila...the "yes or no" trap is broken.<br /><br />Since when is reporting facts and their logical conclusions racist? That is exactly what those who believe, who pretend to believe, or who refuse to deny that a rape occurred are, because they do so out of 1)loyalty to the race of a false accuser, and 2) a desire to see members of another race punished for a crime they did not commit just because they are of another race. That is racism. Cash Michaels knows all about it. <br /><br />You rock, Bill Anderson. Did you get an email from me about a news story in Long Beach?<br /><br />TwaddlefreeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-55955360739971516882006-11-10T23:53:00.000-05:002006-11-10T23:53:00.000-05:00K.C.,
I will be glad when this Duke business is o...K.C.,<br /><br />I will be glad when this Duke business is over, because then I can concentrate on my day job again. Instead of sending a paper to a journal today, I wrote a piece on the Duke case (which will appear on Lew Rockwell's site on Saturday).<br /><br />I say this because I can bet K.C. will be happy to get back to his main area of work. Now, unlike me, K.C. does not have three young children and a wife, all of whom demand attention. (And I give them attention.) But I also can guarantee the readers that he is doing this for one reason: he is morally outraged by this ridiculous and illegal prosecution. <br /><br />For those of you who believe he is doing it out of racism, all I can say to you is one thing: Get a life -- and quit believing lies.<br /><br />William L. AndersonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-63032083856737021532006-11-10T23:04:00.000-05:002006-11-10T23:04:00.000-05:0010:54 Anon:
How do we know that its being removed...10:54 Anon:<br /><br />How do we know that its being removed wasn't a mistake or hack? One would think that if it was deliberate removal by the 88 that they would have removed the signers list as well. Perhaps the Gang of 88 is even now searching for the rich white male athlete [could it be anyone else? ;>)] who deleted the file.<br /><br />Anyway, this thread should be over - 10:23 Anon correctly pointed out that he had godwined the thread. Anon 10:23 therefore loses and the thread is over! lolGPrestonianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18260086590345511133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-59464861671989856102006-11-10T22:54:00.000-05:002006-11-10T22:54:00.000-05:00Re above: I don't think anybody is complaining tha...Re above: I don't think anybody is complaining that the statement was taken down. I think we are all upset that it went up in the first place, and about the fact that it stayed up for so long. I don't know about others, but I am celebrating the fact that the statement is no longer on the Duke site. I have been waiting for this day. And, I am waiting for many more corrections of mistakes to be made by Duke administration. This is only a good start but by no means the end.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-24820234495310146532006-11-10T22:50:00.001-05:002006-11-10T22:50:00.001-05:00"I like the work KC is doing but what is wrong wit..."I like the work KC is doing but what is wrong with the anonymous question about whether KC has received any financial compensation or has any other connections to the defense?"<br /><br />Because it's irrelevant when it comes to his arguments. The arguments hold or fail based on their own merits, not the merits of the people advancing them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-3742382671123071872006-11-10T22:50:00.000-05:002006-11-10T22:50:00.000-05:00Hey, BigDirigible!
Is MIT as PC as Duke? I never...Hey, BigDirigible!<br /><br />Is MIT as PC as Duke? I never have seen such a performance before from a faculty that hates its students, or at least SOME faculty members.<br /><br />I get emails from people who chide me because I teach at Frostburg State instead of an "elite" institution, but if the kind of people I am reading are typical of an "elite" faculty, then I am quite happy and proud to be among the "common folk."<br /><br />Now, I received my doctorate at Auburn, so I really am low on the totem pole, but 'das life.<br /><br />All that being said, I think the Evil Gang of 88 is a disgrace, even to an "elite" institution like Duke.<br /><br />William L. AndersonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-23725011666624963132006-11-10T22:49:00.000-05:002006-11-10T22:49:00.000-05:00William L. Anderson & 10:19 anon:
I don't see any...William L. Anderson & 10:19 anon:<br /><br />I don't see anything wrong with asking the question(s) [hard to believe that they haven't been asked before], nor with the manner in which they were asked [if you're used to legal phrasings].<br /><br />If I saw the questions w/o context, I'd assume they came straight from a **deposition**.GPrestonianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18260086590345511133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-23717297756156370852006-11-10T22:36:00.000-05:002006-11-10T22:36:00.000-05:00The problem with the question was the manner in wh...The problem with the question was the manner in which it was asked. It was clear from the way it was phrased that the writer was trying to imply that K.C. is just carrying the water for people who were paying him to lie.<br /><br />One of the early set of charges was that the people from Duke were buying off the hospital staff, buying off the police, trying to buy off the accuser, ad infinitum.<br /><br />It seems that the only people who have been talking about money are the "cousin" allegedly named "Jakki" and the accuser herself.<br /><br />Thus, I might wish to ask the questioner if he is in the employ of someone who seeks to benefit financially from this false accusation. Just curious.<br /><br />William L. AndersonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-28669518162380230572006-11-10T22:24:00.000-05:002006-11-10T22:24:00.000-05:00The internet never forgets, and neither will we! H...The internet never forgets, and neither will we! Here is a list of the Gang of 88 from the Crystalmess blog, appropriately titled "Dear Cowards:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.crystalmess.blogspot.com/2006/09/dear-cowards.html">http://www.crystalmess.blogspot.com/2006/09/dear-cowards.html</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-32362703566496547572006-11-10T22:23:00.000-05:002006-11-10T22:23:00.000-05:00Am I the first person to point out that "88", in n...Am I the first person to point out that "88", in neo-Nazi circles, means "Heil Hitler"? <br /><br />/yeah, I godwined this threadAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-73282571690338620782006-11-10T22:19:00.000-05:002006-11-10T22:19:00.000-05:00I like the work KC is doing but what is wrong with...I like the work KC is doing but what is wrong with the anonymous question about whether KC has received any financial compensation or has any other connections to the defense? I don't believe that KC does but I don't see the harm in asking.<br /><br />Thanks in advance for an explanation of the politics of disclosure!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com