tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post507221304108674295..comments2024-02-24T05:19:10.949-05:00Comments on Durham-in-Wonderland: The Herald-Sun of the College Presskcjohnson9http://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comBlogger75125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-64757321213524956722007-07-13T08:51:00.000-04:002007-07-13T08:51:00.000-04:00Mac - re 8:58. I said I was confused about "how,...Mac - re 8:58. I said I was confused about "how," not "why." <BR/><BR/>And you explained it very clearly. <BR/><BR/>There's another common police/prosecutor dirty trick I was previously unaware of. Thanks!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-32674516557785524132007-07-13T01:50:00.000-04:002007-07-13T01:50:00.000-04:00Anonymous said... What an odd state of affairs whe...Anonymous said... <BR/>What an odd state of affairs when the Duke Basketball Report has to explain how Duke University was negligent and at fault to the unconvinced editors of The Daily Tar Heel. <BR/><BR/>Jul 11, 2007 4:19:00 PM <BR/>======================================================================<BR/>Once in awhile a blogger really comes up with a great insight! I urge everyone to let this statement roll around their heads for a few minutes. <BR/><BR/>ZEKEAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-6479322793678959022007-07-12T20:59:00.000-04:002007-07-12T20:59:00.000-04:00This was discussed roundly onanother thread, BTW.U...This was discussed roundly on<BR/>another thread, BTW.<BR/>Understandable why it might've been<BR/>missed.machttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14248016116043347912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-53186422579871375722007-07-12T20:58:00.000-04:002007-07-12T20:58:00.000-04:00Ralph,No, I don't: I think it was used to get the ...Ralph,<BR/><BR/>No, I don't: I think it was used to get the boys to jail,<BR/>where they could be surrounded by "witnesses" to the <BR/>young men's confessions - (all made-up, of course.)<BR/><BR/>That's the (or one) purpose of an unreasonably high bail: <BR/>to put the accused in the proximity of those who are likely <BR/>to testify for the prosecution.<BR/><BR/>This is a common tactic, and it shows evidence of conspiracy:<BR/>I wasn't explaining the "why"<BR/>aspect of the conspiracy, <BR/>only pointing out the "what" and "how."machttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14248016116043347912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-28268610995409318762007-07-12T15:53:00.000-04:002007-07-12T15:53:00.000-04:00For those not keeping up, the bail was astoundingl...For those not keeping up, the bail was astoundingly high.<BR/><BR/>Mac seems to think that this was somehow related to a plan to extort money from rich families, though, though I don't understand the details of how he thinks it worked.<BR/><BR/>I think it was just part of the Nifong's political campaign. It was a win-win: "Let's screw some white folks!" got him Durham's black voters, and "Let's screw some Yankees!" got him Durham's white voters.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-22609554120590830352007-07-12T15:24:00.000-04:002007-07-12T15:24:00.000-04:00Have you been keeping up?Know how much bail usuall...Have you been keeping up?<BR/>Know how much bail usually is<BR/>in the Land of Durrhhh?<BR/>For murder?<BR/><BR/>Have you been keeping up,<BR/>or are you just prodding/provoking?machttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14248016116043347912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-91979977440286471752007-07-12T14:57:00.000-04:002007-07-12T14:57:00.000-04:00What does the bail have to do with conspiracy theo...What does the bail have to do with conspiracy theories?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-42453278250806815312007-07-12T14:49:00.000-04:002007-07-12T14:49:00.000-04:00AMAC, Correct: and will someone remind the no-cons...AMAC, <BR/><BR/>Correct: and will someone remind the no-conspiracy folks that<BR/>the young men had bail set<BR/>at $400,000...each?machttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14248016116043347912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-58464647635513325412007-07-12T13:41:00.000-04:002007-07-12T13:41:00.000-04:00I agree that further discussion of Levicy is unwar...I agree that further discussion of Levicy is unwarranted. The theatre folk are taken with the Monologues. We personally know nothing about this nurse and her attitudes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-54154784987542537662007-07-12T13:12:00.000-04:002007-07-12T13:12:00.000-04:00I find everything about SANE-in-training Tara Levi...I find everything about SANE-in-training Tara Levicy disgusting.<BR/><BR/>A typical, straight-from-B-movie-casting of a plain Jane, self-righteous-do-gooder for the women of the world. The facts be damned!<BR/><BR/>The knowledge that this stale drone participated in a presentation of <I>Vagina Monologues</I> tells me all I need to know about her narrow-mindedness regarding this issue.<BR/><BR/>I found her deer-in-headlights mug on the stand before the Bar Committee a repulsive ode to the trouble-making, worthless women of the world.<BR/><BR/>However, her insignificance in this world, otherwise, compels me to suggest that we halt giving her any more attention than is absolutely necessary.<BR/><BR/>DebrahAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-89480163671651071032007-07-12T12:31:00.000-04:002007-07-12T12:31:00.000-04:00Anon 12:08pm --> No, this is Nifong's baby,Read th...Anon 12:08pm --<BR/><BR/>> No, this is Nifong's baby,<BR/><BR/>Read the posts that KC Johnson has put up about Nifong's Gottleib's Himan's, Wilson's, and Meehan's testimony.<BR/><BR/>I don't see how it is possible to square these accounts with a narrative that focuses only on the ex-DA's misdeeds.<BR/><BR/>And there is much more evidence pointing towards a "conspiracy"--that's just a start.<BR/><BR/>For example, the roles of ADAs in Nifong's office remains largely unexplored. None of these actors have been deposed. But at this point, is it possible to construct a plausible scenario where <I>nobody</I>--not Saacks, not Soucie, not anybody--contributed to the Hoax/Frame? I don't believe so. If/when this sees the light of day, I suspect questions will revolve around:<BR/><BR/>-- contemporaneous misconduct vs. after-the-fact coverup;<BR/>-- active versus passive assistance to the Hoax/Frame;<BR/>-- routine abuse of procedure vs. special-to-this-Hoax abuses;<BR/>-- incompetence vs. malevolence;<BR/>-- definitions of a professional's ethical duty to act upon misconduct.<BR/><BR/>Nifong's baby? More like, "pick your poison."AMachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08872008617279528583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-79431527622620574472007-07-12T12:12:00.000-04:002007-07-12T12:12:00.000-04:00Like the Kennedy assination, we shall go to our de...Like the Kennedy assination, we shall go to our deaths still arguing this case.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-2716811675896434422007-07-12T12:08:00.000-04:002007-07-12T12:08:00.000-04:00AMAC - Have a lot of respect for you and your opin...AMAC - Have a lot of respect for you and your opinions. In the two weeks before Nifong started his media attack on 3/28, the police were obligated to investigate Crystal's claim - which they did - poorly to be sure - I think that shows a lack of belief on their part of the claim - The police investigated - the NTO gotten for the DNA - the technology is there and should be used - the "old fashion way " is out of vogue - The lack of DNA cleared the team - I believe Saaks would have dropped the case but Nifong entered the scene - I think it is clear the DPD got out of any investigating very early - No, this is Nifong's baby,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-26237613671001619772007-07-12T12:00:00.000-04:002007-07-12T12:00:00.000-04:00The AG declared the boys innocent in April, 07.The AG declared the boys innocent in April, 07.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-44234937186912408372007-07-12T11:31:00.000-04:002007-07-12T11:31:00.000-04:00The LAX families believed their sons had been thro...The LAX families believed their sons had been thrown under the bus by brodhead's feckless actions and his "leadership" incited others at Duke to libel them, invade privacy, fail in other duties. This the families made clear to brodhead early on in the hoax. (Hence the Bowen report as attempted cover). <BR/><BR/>In December, right after the AG's declaration of "innocence" the 3 LAX attorneys met with Duke leadership and laid out their claims and asked for a sum of money to compensate the families.<BR/>Duke hesitated, the LAX attorneys told Duke something like, "this is a one time offer, if we have to come back later the money will double."<BR/><BR/>Well "later" was June, within days of the Nifong hearing. I have no idea of the amount...the original one or the "later" one. <BR/><BR/>Personally, I don't think Duke had a whit more sorrow or shame, brodhead didn't get religion in June. Rather, Duke saw what everyone saw during the Nifong hearings. Watching what could be a dress rehearsal for Duke facing the LAX attorneys. For the first time Duke "got it" ...they were no longer going to hide behind academic claptrap and abusing kids. No the real deal would be facing skilled attorney's like Chesire and Bannon who had real data and facts. Duke might have to actually respond to specific questions. No spin. Close up and personal, and on live T.V. <BR/><BR/>Brodhead would have to sit in the court room day after day. The family testimony. Dissecting emails, public comments, "don't tell your family," "don't hire lawyers", time lines, who knew what when. It wouldn't have been pretty. Would likely have included testimony from Pressler (not about the truth). Nope an unmitigated PR disaster that would keep Duke from "moving on." Which is Dukes only objective.<BR/><BR/>So they paid.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-33111897262022520132007-07-12T09:49:00.000-04:002007-07-12T09:49:00.000-04:00A note to those who commented that the laxers woul...A note to those who commented that the laxers would have had a cause of action against Duke for "violating their right to privacy" by giving the lax teams key card records to the police, this is far from certain. FERPA, the Federal statute that says schools which receive Federal monies must keep confidential their students' records, does not provide a student whose recorda are disclosed without his or her consent a private right of action against the school. Or so the US Supreme Court has held. In the absence of a FERPA claim, I am not sure why a cause of action would exist for a school turning over records.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-50603152411807519042007-07-12T08:46:00.000-04:002007-07-12T08:46:00.000-04:00Anon 2:33am wrote -->"This was about votes and ge...Anon 2:33am wrote --<BR/><BR/>><I>"This was about votes and getting elected to DA. It is just that simple.<B> No conspiracy here.</B>"</I><BR/><BR/>True enough, if "conspiracy" means that Nifong, Gottlieb, Himan, ADAs, Levicy, Wilson, Brodhead, Moneta, and others must have gathered in a room sometime in late March and, together, devised a plot.<BR/><BR/>No sensible person is offering such a narrative.<BR/><BR/>On the other hand, the current, comforting story supposes that "Rogue D.A. Nifong" was the only person who acted in bad faith to railroad three innocent men into prison.<BR/><BR/>This interpretation is incompatible with the timeline of events. It is now abundantly clear that the Hoax/Frame began in the two weeks after the stripper party--<B>before Mike Nifong involved himself in the case</B>. Nifong is obviously not the culprit for misdeeds that he had no part in.<BR/><BR/>Other people were.<BR/><BR/>Nifong and certain individuals aligned their actions (and, later, their reports and testimony), in the service of a common goal. After all, what the lacrosse team did was bad enough--they deserved the bad outcomes that were being served up.<BR/><BR/>Once the gang rape story rose to prominence, a diverse cast of characters was all too happy to climb aboard this bandwagon, each contributing to the Hoax/Frame according to their talents.<BR/><BR/>I'm sure some of these folks are Duke's answer to the Flat Earth Society, sincerely reciting "Something Happened." Most, I suspect, know that they should have written their own version of Ruth Sheehan's belated N&O "I'm Sorry" mea culpa. They lack the honor and courage to do. Or they're paying close attention to their lawyers' advice.<BR/><BR/>I've offered no links in this synthesis. Its highlights have been copiously documented by others. Read K.C. at this blog, or the timeline assembled at LieStoppers, or the posts on the subject at John-in-Carolina, or Stuart Taylor's articles. Etc.<BR/><BR/>The "Nifong as lone actor" scenario is simply not plausible.AMachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08872008617279528583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-14111899642052520762007-07-12T08:42:00.000-04:002007-07-12T08:42:00.000-04:00"As the key card information is out there, maybe D..."As the key card information is out there, maybe Duke is not so interested in keeping things quiet. "<BR/><BR/>Only if there's absolutely no more damaging information to be revealed. How likely to you think that is?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-34078302023044623432007-07-12T08:31:00.000-04:002007-07-12T08:31:00.000-04:00C. Thomas KunzWatch out: we'll be hearing from Tar...C. Thomas Kunz<BR/><BR/>Watch out: we'll be hearing from Tara's Troll 'bout now,<BR/>claiming that we are "accussing" Tara of bieng the proenitor of all the world's evil.<BR/><BR/>Good post.machttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14248016116043347912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-15749256601606339512007-07-12T08:13:00.000-04:002007-07-12T08:13:00.000-04:00While I am in the camp that does not believe Levic...While I am in the camp that does not believe Levicy and DUMC could be held liable in a civil case brought by the laxers, I totally agree with K. C. that Levicy "started this mess." Her "consistent with a sexual assault" comment was morfed by Gottlieb into his testimony to the grand jury that the exam results were consistent with a sexual assault. Reports of her comment were published and convinced many otherwise skeptical minds that the rape occurred.<BR/>As an example that I have published before, I was at a birthday party for one of my daughters the day after the news hit that Crystal had previously accused people of raping her (the Creedmore thing). The parents in attendance were mostly doctors (some from DUMC) and lawyers (one a law professor from Duke law). I gave my analysis of the case, commenting that it was clearly a hoax. I could not convince any of these bright minds that I was correct. In all cases, each parent's response was that the "nurse expert" who did the "rape kit" said that the exam showed there was a rape.<BR/>I truly believe that had she just turned over the medical report and kept her mouth shut even Nifong would have had a more cautious approach to deciding to indict on what would have then been only a "she said, they denied case."<BR/><BR/>C. Thomas KunzAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-85950423041776461522007-07-12T07:59:00.000-04:002007-07-12T07:59:00.000-04:002:33Perhaps they'll have the suit in Raleigh, wher...2:33<BR/>Perhaps they'll have the suit in Raleigh, where<BR/>Durhh will be taken to the cleaners?<BR/>Hmmm?<BR/><BR/>I remember similar posts claiming:<BR/><BR/>1) Duke would never settle<BR/>2) The AG would never use the word "innocent"<BR/>3) Nifey would never get disbarred<BR/><BR/>Guess those prognosticators were sadly mistaken.<BR/><BR/>Simply put: if the tort were held<BR/>in Raleigh, Durhh would likely pay large sums of money.<BR/><BR/>And the comment about "no conspiracy?" May or may not have started as one, but <BR/>manufacturing evidence, suborning perjury and intimidating witnesses<BR/>perhaps comes a little close to the definition of "conspiracy."<BR/><BR/>Maybe Watergate wasn't a conspiracy?machttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14248016116043347912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-2636404658293859452007-07-12T06:48:00.000-04:002007-07-12T06:48:00.000-04:00I don't lack ideas, but please, please learn how t...I don't lack ideas, but please, please learn how to spell "accuse."<BR/>You always spell it "accusse."<BR/>It's one thing to hit a bad key:<BR/>it's another to be unable to grasp basic language skills.<BR/>OK? <BR/><BR/>BTW:<BR/><BR/>"I wanna be..."machttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14248016116043347912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-5707047111991671802007-07-12T02:40:00.000-04:002007-07-12T02:40:00.000-04:0012:58 - With that trash language, no one will accu...12:58 - With that trash language, no one will accusse you of being a classy poster. For all you who want to trash Levicy, there are those who do not. Like its a free country.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-47036381369049198252007-07-12T02:33:00.000-04:002007-07-12T02:33:00.000-04:00This was about votes and getting elected to DA. It...This was about votes and getting elected to DA. It is just that simple. No conspiracy here.<BR/>I think not only would a Durham jury have found these guys quilty = no matter what the evidence. Any one counting on a big pay off from a Durham jury in civil suits is sadly mistaken.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-41665048306936474682007-07-12T01:33:00.000-04:002007-07-12T01:33:00.000-04:00Nifong is a double Tar Heel graduate from a small ...Nifong is a double Tar Heel graduate from a small xenophobic North Carolina town. Obviously he has had a visceral dislike of Dukies since childhood. This was a "morality play" for him and fit into his need for election and his hatred of the "out of state" students and what he perceived as the more financially advantaged Dukies. Read some of the Herald-Sun's Letters To The Editors from Tar Holes ranting and raving about students from "New Jersey" who have the audacity to attend a school (Duke) in, of all places, North Carolina. Is "New Jersey" a Carolina code word for Jews?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com