tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post5190527994019235807..comments2024-02-24T05:19:10.949-05:00Comments on Durham-in-Wonderland: The Group of 88's Latest Defensekcjohnson9http://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comBlogger122125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-51782190029913537442007-04-25T06:19:00.000-04:002007-04-25T06:19:00.000-04:00I went through school through PhD in the sciences ...I went through school through PhD in the sciences and engineering -- it's a hard path because often what you think "ought" to be the way nature works "is" not right. There is rigor and and results that eventually speak for themselves for ill or good. <BR/><BR/>The G88 are irksome boobs but, shucks, part of me wants to go back to school and major in some socio-color-wymon thingy and write a long ponderous dissertation on "Social Class-Construct Dialects Pursuant to White-Black Power Narratives" or something like that. I'd hang out at the student U most daze, ponder various "struggles", take deep coffee breaks, and just protest "the power".<BR/><BR/>I don't know, seriously, it just seems like such fun. I'm a pretty good drummer too. Maybe when I retire ...GaryBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02805265981497620290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-77722874693820238372007-02-14T22:28:00.000-05:002007-02-14T22:28:00.000-05:00Anon 9:44pmThe murderer at the Utah Mall was a Mus...Anon 9:44pm<BR/>The murderer at the Utah Mall was a Muslim from Bosnia...Aunt is quoted as saying "we are not a violent family"...apparently he is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-30072561398195517552007-02-14T12:20:00.000-05:002007-02-14T12:20:00.000-05:00http://listeningproject.blogspot.com/2007/02/karla...http://listeningproject.blogspot.com/2007/02/karla-holloway.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-51924961663180541242007-02-13T22:03:00.000-05:002007-02-13T22:03:00.000-05:00I agree with Polanski. High-IQ institutions need n...I agree with Polanski. High-IQ institutions need not teach the "genius" of sub-Saharan Africa.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-13418132862435978662007-02-13T21:44:00.000-05:002007-02-13T21:44:00.000-05:00It has come to my attention that the murderer in t...It has come to my attention that the murderer in the Salt Lake City mall shootings today is Muslim. I'm curious how the MSM presents this fact. Don't find a description in this AP wire story, but his name gives it away.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17124042/" REL="nofollow">Sulejem and the Religion of Peace</A><BR/><BR/>I suspect it will be much like the recent Duke rape that didn't mention the suspects race.<BR/><BR/>PC professors marching lock step and those that embrace them will kill us. We need to eliminate the PC race/gender/class warfare studies now!<BR/><BR/>My teenage daughter works in a mall. I think it may be time to get her a concealed right to carry permit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-67757509414093179672007-02-13T20:30:00.000-05:002007-02-13T20:30:00.000-05:00To Amac 7:12 PMre: Randall ParkerThank you for the...To Amac 7:12 PM<BR/>re: Randall Parker<BR/><BR/>Thank you for the link.<BR/>MTU'76Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-87903369322266172182007-02-13T19:29:00.000-05:002007-02-13T19:29:00.000-05:00JeffM,You called me a racist. This interests me. P...JeffM,<BR/><BR/>You called me a racist. This interests me. Please provide bullet points.<BR/><BR/>PolanskiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-71687076232797120262007-02-13T19:12:00.000-05:002007-02-13T19:12:00.000-05:00Randall Parker has some thought-provoking posts ab...Randall Parker has some thought-provoking posts about the "Higher Education Market" and market distortions at his web-log ParaPundit. His 'Education' category is <A HREF="http://www.parapundit.com/archives/cat_education.html" REL="nofollow">here.</A><BR/><BR/>(Not too far off-topic; responsive to what "taking Duke down a peg" might mean. Parker is thinking about what students can gain from their educations. Ironically if unsurprisingly, the tenured hard-left faculty represented by the Group of 88 is very <I>conservative</I> on this matter--for reasons of control, and reasons of economic self-interest.)AMachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08872008617279528583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-20295623249690878192007-02-13T18:34:00.000-05:002007-02-13T18:34:00.000-05:008:23AM,ROTFLMAO8:23AM,<BR/><BR/>ROTFLMAOM. Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09508934110558197375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-82300759411423751942007-02-13T18:11:00.000-05:002007-02-13T18:11:00.000-05:00Prof. 8:37, I doubt the problem of the "Group of 8...Prof. 8:37, I doubt the problem of the "Group of 88" is merely their insufficient mastery of the art of rhetoric.Art Decohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05811784594425834599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-1150321719345669882007-02-13T18:09:00.000-05:002007-02-13T18:09:00.000-05:00I do see a lot of people -- not so much KC, but hi...<I>I do see a lot of people -- not so much KC, but his disciples -- who are giddy with the prospect of taking Duke down a peg. It saddens me that some professors are so inept in the ways of the real world that they're just giving these people ammunition. (Or, to use a different analogy, they're taking too much rope.)</I><BR/><BR/>If Thomas Sowell and others who have made assessments of the effectiveness of contemporary tertiary education are correct, the utility of a degree from an elite institution like Duke is not found in the content of the curriculum and the efforts of instructors but rather in what admission and retention say about properties the applicant brings <B>with</B> him to the institution (and which would be made manifest at less selective institutions and which are made manifest throughout his work life). If they are correct, Duke's price tag is a cheat, and the institution needs to be not 'taken down' but ruined by market forces. If youngsters of intelligence equal to the norm among Duke students can attend SUNY Albany and perform just as well in the labor market and if youngsters of like intelligence can attend Grove City College and come away with a greater store of liberal learning than they would at Duke, an institution such as Duke has no purpose of interest to paying customers (it no longer being a Methodist institution in any consequential way). How many liberal arts faculties have not shed any architectonic mission other than the provision of signals to the labor market, the provision of salaried employment to the intelligentsia, and the provision of loci for the intelligentsia to replicate itself?Art Decohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05811784594425834599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-18073623703962253822007-02-13T18:08:00.000-05:002007-02-13T18:08:00.000-05:00Thanks, Locomotive Breath, for that informative, a...Thanks, Locomotive Breath, for that informative, and quite witty, post on last night's event at Duke.<BR/><BR/>The funniest guy, in my view, was the graphic artist, Pedro Lasch. The stilted, dead language he favors, drained of any spark or clarity, perfectly exemplifies the deceptive aspects of jargon. Jargon has its place, as a shortcut in certain technical exchanges or as a way to pack meaning into dense and difficult concepts (eg, in philosophy), but when employed in public remarks, it's a con, or, more than that, a shield and a rampart, designed to defend and conceal a mediocre mind.<BR/><BR/>beckettAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-17030078165608874992007-02-13T18:02:00.000-05:002007-02-13T18:02:00.000-05:00Did anyone take detailed notes on what was said du...Did anyone take detailed notes on what was said during the rehab tour meetign last night?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-76781923224758033682007-02-13T17:55:00.000-05:002007-02-13T17:55:00.000-05:00Wow, so many comments, but I wanted to throw my ha...Wow, so many comments, but I wanted to throw my hat into the ring...<BR/><BR/>You said in this post that, "It disappoints me that more signatories--people who, after all, have cho-sen a career of teaching students--do not feel as Petters does."<BR/><BR/>The problem, I think, is that most professors did not choose "a career of teaching students," and that many of them, in fact, don't particularly like students. For as many dedicated, talented *teachers* there are at universities (and I have known many), there are as many if not more who view their teaching obligations as an impediment to their research, advancing their political/social agendas, advancing their careers, or their lucrative grants and consulting contracts. <BR/><BR/>This is probably doubly true at an institution like Duke, a veritable factory for ibankers and consult-ants, where many former students will earn significantly more than faculty members their first year after graduation.<BR/><BR/>--A quiet observer with experience at 8 elite college/universities (including Duke), as a student, em-ployee, or community member.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-42752860091343440322007-02-13T17:53:00.000-05:002007-02-13T17:53:00.000-05:00What makes the 88 unique is that they went after t...<I>What makes the 88 unique is that they went after their own students--and that's not an approach with which most professors, even those of the far left, will go out of their way to associate themselves.</I><BR/><BR/>Is it not true that those who signed the original and clarifying advertisements outnumber those who have signed contrary statements by four or five to one? The faculty at Trinity College, & c. are not making much of an effort to <I>dis</I>associate themselves from such activity. <BR/><BR/>I should note, sir, that obsession on the part of faculties with the ethnic composition of student bodies and their extra-curricular hobbies and social life is indicative of a rejection of the sort of student the market hands them. It is reasonable to infer that institutional policies are what they are because faculties are embarrassed to be teaching the children of the professional-managerial bourgeoisie. <BR/><BR/>Most professors of my acquaintance are dismissive of their students.<BR/><BR/>Imagine all the man-hours which are poured into faculties' schemes to recruit manipulable students and students whose ascribed traits have cachet were devoted to serious institutional efforts to assemble a sensible core curriculum and graduation requirements or assess how well professors teach or how much students learn. Ain't gonna happen, anywhere. (So many political deals upset, and so much authentic self-criticism required).Art Decohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05811784594425834599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-17233231196550195812007-02-13T17:26:00.000-05:002007-02-13T17:26:00.000-05:00"I don't know if it has been your intention, but i..."I don't know if it has been your intention, but it has been the result."<BR/><BR/>Don't blame Bill A., or KC, or anyone else for that matter, because if Duke has been brought down a peg, the blame lies squarely at the feet of men and women who eschewed good judgment, turned their backs on their students and are no mired in a morass of silliness of their own making.<BR/><BR/>Every university has its loopy-left professors -- Ward Churchill anyone? -- but what is interesting about this case is that the profs came out publicly against their own.<BR/><BR/>That the university shall suffer is a direct result of these actions, not the actions of bloggers, or shadow racists trying to keep good men and women down.<BR/><BR/>No, the words and the actions of Hollaway, Lubiano, Thugniggaintellectual and the rest have exposed the real social disaster here -- that using divisive and inflammatory language even when couched in the fine cloth of academia, against your students is a quick way to get the attention of those who pay to send their sons and daughters to a university.<BR/><BR/>If Duke is down a peg, look no further than Duke.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-83893380162602391032007-02-13T17:02:00.000-05:002007-02-13T17:02:00.000-05:00Nice to know Polanski that you are such a well-rea...Nice to know Polanski that you are such a well-read racist. Surprised you did not cite de Gobineau.<BR/><BR/>JeffMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-87848104284935727992007-02-13T16:44:00.000-05:002007-02-13T16:44:00.000-05:004:15Polanski saidThe job of a great university is ...4:15<BR/><BR/>Polanski said<BR/><BR/>The job of a great university is to rigorously challenge the most cognitively prepared students with the best and the brightest, not the worst and the stupidest.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-62972481451011192862007-02-13T16:33:00.000-05:002007-02-13T16:33:00.000-05:00erratummeant 4:05erratum<BR/><BR/>meant 4:05Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-74423157733729814962007-02-13T16:32:00.000-05:002007-02-13T16:32:00.000-05:00POLANSKI saidDon't mention it, 4:24.I read "The Na...POLANSKI said<BR/><BR/>Don't mention it, 4:24.<BR/><BR/>I read "The Nation," "The American Prospect," and "Blacks in Higher Education."<BR/><BR/>I doubt you read "City Journal" or "The New Criterion."<BR/><BR/>Admit it, you see my name and you have to read it.<BR/><BR/>You just can't help yourself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-47718977002497479102007-02-13T16:15:00.001-05:002007-02-13T16:15:00.001-05:00ToAnon at 2:23 PMPolanski at 3:34 PMand myself at ...To<BR/>Anon at 2:23 PM<BR/>Polanski at 3:34 PM<BR/>and myself at 1:33 PM with link to Karla's 2003 presentation<BR/> <BR/><I>.....institutions would benefit from the employment of our particular talents to remind it to say our names, to pronounce us within and into its institutional conversations and priorities. ............ A pronounced absence is a silence that is unacceptable. This is, after all, the critical work that many of us do --<BR/><BR/>It may be that my ruminations on these matters are a consequence to an office location that some of you know I am not particularly fond of -- the basement in the Allen Building. In my office late one night not too long ago, it occurred to me that I could entertain, even though I admit the resemblance is somewhat meager, a key moment in the masterwork of writer Ralph Ellison, "Invisible Man." ......................Undoubtedly the basement does have its own problems with field of vision, perspective, and prejudice. These have surely not escaped me...............<BR/><BR/>We've work to do, colleagues .... especially in training our students to understand and to appreciate the ways in which our work and support matter... And it is precisely in the same ways in which we must claim for our own interests the financial cultures which are at work within our fields. <BR/><BR/>To remind it that we are listening, is the way in which we might energize a political presence that has considered the cultures of our work and placed them, with both considered and informed judgment, more strategically into the space where that work must happen.</I>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-10187764585243789562007-02-13T16:15:00.000-05:002007-02-13T16:15:00.000-05:00This suggests, they say, that in a strictly biolog...<A HREF="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/1398894.stm" REL="nofollow">This suggests, they say, that in a strictly biological sense, rape is a successful way for a man to spread his genes.</A><BR/><BR/>Who knew.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-21333278744382177572007-02-13T16:06:00.000-05:002007-02-13T16:06:00.000-05:00"Many thanks, Locomotive Breath, for your extensiv..."Many thanks, Locomotive Breath, for your extensive notes on the meeting last night. You have the distinct advantage of being in Wonderland; many of us can only experience the phenomenon through the media and blogs. Thank you for giving us a word portrait of the evening. The event surpassed my greatest expectations in its absurdity."<BR/><BR/>You're welcome. I had hoped to not insert myself into the discussion because my meager words cannot come close to describing the event. I had hoped to simply take a faithful and accurate recording of the event but was prevented from doing so. Perhaps they will learn the lesson that it's never good to allow someone else to insert themselves when it's unnecessary. I hope they will release the video they took so the discussion can be, properly, about what they said rather than my interpretation of it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-32997353668207884412007-02-13T16:05:00.000-05:002007-02-13T16:05:00.000-05:00Polanski,I have forgotten until now to thank you f...Polanski,<BR/><BR/>I have forgotten until now to thank you for putting your name at the top of your posts. Now I can skip right over your postsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-59928593073407974682007-02-13T15:46:00.000-05:002007-02-13T15:46:00.000-05:00lol, is it just me or is there intent behind the A...lol, is it just me or is there intent behind the AAAS website not having white text or graphics? The text/background appear ecru.<BR/><BR/>One would guess that even David Duke, Robert Byrd, et al use black text in their publications.<BR/><BR/>Again, the sign of a true racist/bigot is how overt they are...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com