tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post5283658539449036990..comments2024-02-24T05:19:10.949-05:00Comments on Durham-in-Wonderland: One in 1636kcjohnson9http://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comBlogger150125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-51838951812000740192007-07-17T11:32:00.000-04:002007-07-17T11:32:00.000-04:00Inman 10:53Yup. And the Carthaginians werefierce ...Inman 10:53<BR/>Yup. And the Carthaginians were<BR/>fierce warriors, too.<BR/><BR/>However, some of the nomadic-types in Africa still drink the blood of animals (while they're still alive)<BR/>and they'll take off a leg of an<BR/>animal (and eat it) while the animal is still alive.<BR/><BR/>How noble.machttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14248016116043347912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-7678267011918904762007-07-16T22:53:00.000-04:002007-07-16T22:53:00.000-04:00Mac @ 1:34I don't know about Nartey...but the Masa...Mac @ 1:34<BR/><BR/>I don't know about Nartey...but the Masai were fierce, noble and ethical warriors.<BR/><BR/>The scene in the movie "Out of Africa" in which a group of the Masai run past with no change of tempo, with no change of demeanor and with the coiled-spring look of a lion or a cobra attests to that people's character.<BR/><BR/>PS. Look up "indigenous people's on wikipedia"...it's a fascinating concept...Powhatan...Geronimo ... Sitting Bull ... Tutankhamen...Attilla ... Ethelred ... one pale's in the historical significance ... and just as we have struggled to understand a single phrase of U's...we continue to struggle with an understanding of these men/women*** (and of course many others) <BR/><BR/>KC....is that what history is about?<BR/><BR/><BR/>***PC required thatAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-50961871591610329762007-07-16T19:19:00.000-04:002007-07-16T19:19:00.000-04:00If Nartey were a white South African who threatene...If Nartey were a white South African who threatened a black coach not only would he be suspended from school, he would be deported.<BR/><BR/>One could argue things about the legacy of Jim Crow and Slavery -- but how do you explain why a non-American should benefit from such historical treatment?<BR/><BR/>It simply makes no sense. Affirmative Action, as it is deployed, can only succeed with people being ignorant about history.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-47898087701211695222007-07-16T13:34:00.000-04:002007-07-16T13:34:00.000-04:00Inman 10:48Does Nartey's native country practice c...Inman 10:48<BR/><BR/>Does Nartey's native country practice cannibalism? (Not that I'm implying the boy's a cannibal.)<BR/><BR/>Lest you think I'm joking, Idi Amin allegedly ate his enemies, <BR/>and there's some evidence that the practice is still going on in some civil wars.<BR/><BR/>Nartey's got a green card?<BR/>Still?<BR/>Hmmm...machttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14248016116043347912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-10720788675411810302007-07-16T10:48:00.000-04:002007-07-16T10:48:00.000-04:00amac"Here is Nartey taking responsibility for his ...amac<BR/><BR/>"Here is Nartey taking responsibility for his deeds: "I sent [the two emails] from my Duke email address. I sent them with my name attached. It wasn't like any anonymous thing. I knew I was going to be attached to it, so it wasn't any sort of threat." Further, it was "a mistake" to bring Pressler's daughter into the mix "just because I didn't think it would be so heavily misconstrued... it was a stupid thing to mention his daughter, in retrospect, but at the time I thought if somebody can't see why it's inappropriate to move forward with athletics in this sort of situation then perhaps that parallel could be drawn by incorporating someone near and dear to him. And again, foolish, but that the rationale was that was that you can draw the parallel."<BR/><BR/>What is truly spine chilling is the fact the Nartey even KNEW Pressler's daughter's name. Also, Nartey is extraordinarily presumptuous to assume that Pressler would know who had written the e-mail.<BR/><BR/>If I ever got an e-mail from someone that I did not know, referring to my daughter, I'd demand the police investigate. Simply the research required to obtain that information is indicative of some mal intent -- perhaps pedophilia.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-72752343740472540142007-07-16T09:18:00.000-04:002007-07-16T09:18:00.000-04:00Anon 7/16/07 7:00am --You have written the best de...Anon 7/16/07 7:00am --<BR/><BR/>You have written the best defense of Chauncey Nartey's conduct that I have read. I hope you strengthen it in a few places, perhaps with a follow-on Clarifying Statement.<BR/><BR/>Here's what I am wondering.<BR/><BR/><BR/>1). <I>Nartey's email to Pressler doesn't make him a racist.</I> Agreed--but can you provide a link to that charge? (I hadn't heard of it.) Nartey's email was interpreted by Pressler as a <I>threat</I>, understandably so given its content and context. That hotheaded Nartey would send <A HREF="http://liestoppers.blogspot.com/2007/06/nartey-threat-to-coachs-daughter-not.html" REL="nofollow">such a message</A> speaks to his character. That Nartey took two months to write Pressler an apology--on the instruction of Duke administrators--is further testimony. <BR/><BR/>Here is Nartey taking responsibility for his deeds: "I sent [the two emails] from my Duke email address. I sent them with my name attached. It wasn't like any anonymous thing. I knew I was going to be attached to it, so it wasn't any sort of threat." Further, it was "a mistake" to bring Pressler's daughter into the mix "just because I didn't think it would be so heavily misconstrued... it was a stupid thing to mention his daughter, in retrospect, but at the time I thought if somebody can't see why it's inappropriate to move forward with athletics in this sort of situation then perhaps that parallel could be drawn by incorporating someone near and dear to him. And again, foolish, but that the rationale was that was that you can draw the parallel."<BR/><BR/>Shorter Nartey: "Stupid Pressler."<BR/><BR/><BR/>2) <I>The suspension of Duke's Alpha Phi Alpha chapter, of which Nartey was President.</I> You write that Duke's APA chapter was suspended for three years because "Alpha phi Alpha has high moral standards unlike the LAX team, and they routinely suspend members or chapters who do things like underage drinking, etc." This is a commendable defense of the national organization. However: could you now explain how this reflects well on the <I>Duke Chapter's</I> President? I'm fuzzy on that detail. By the way, what were the reasons for this action? Why haven't they been made public?<BR/><BR/>As far as the rape of the Duke first-year student at 3am at a wild off-campus party: you are defending the wrong fraternity. Members of Phi Beta Sigma, not APA, were <A HREF="http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/545040.html" REL="nofollow">reported</A> as being involved. Your faint praise of those students thus appears to be misplaced.<BR/><BR/><BR/>3) <I>"Contrast that </I>(sic)<I> to the lack of cooperation of the lax team( only 3 out of 30+ spoke to police and the 3 lied about Reade even being at the party) and how they fled the scene that night it.</I>(sic)" Your two assertions are contradicted by the record. Can you offer links to support them?<BR/><BR/><BR/>4) <I>"There is no comparison as to which group acted more honorably."</I> Agreed. No comparison will be possible until we learn why national APA suspended Nartey's chapter. I join you in urging Nartey and other Duke APA members to break the "wall of silence" and share the reasons that the parent organization took such drastic action.<BR/><BR/><BR/>5) <I>"Nartey deserved the Griffith award IMO and a lot of other people here at Duke agree with me."</I> You convincingly show that you think Nartey deserved the Griffith award. Sadly, I also believe your assertion that a lot of other folks at Duke still feel the same way. <BR/><BR/>Can you offer any reasons as to <I>why</I> you and others hold to that opinion? <BR/><BR/><BR/>Anon 7:00am, thanks for writing. Your comment was very illuminating.AMachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08872008617279528583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-84586027930500108392007-07-16T08:09:00.000-04:002007-07-16T08:09:00.000-04:00Hey, Chauncey,How does it feel to have to write in...Hey, Chauncey,<BR/>How does it feel to have to write in your own defense?machttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14248016116043347912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-62323758449736096812007-07-16T08:07:00.000-04:002007-07-16T08:07:00.000-04:00Nartey is a racist, too.Nartey is a racist, too.machttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14248016116043347912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-19478617711478800162007-07-16T07:30:00.000-04:002007-07-16T07:30:00.000-04:007amYou've got a deficient hippocampus, apparently:...7am<BR/><BR/>You've got a deficient hippocampus, apparently:<BR/>you keep manufacturing facts,<BR/>like the "lack of cooperation"<BR/>and the Lax players characters etc.<BR/><BR/>Racist.machttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14248016116043347912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-21165704183830118512007-07-16T07:00:00.000-04:002007-07-16T07:00:00.000-04:00Nartey is not a racist simply because he sent an e...Nartey is not a racist simply because he sent an email to Pressler. The email itself had no racist content, it simply asked Pressler what would he do if his daughter, not the daughter of Mr. Manguam, had been the victim of a rape. How would he feel? Pressler obviously felt upset as would any father. <BR/><BR/>For those of you on here criticising Nartey about his local frat being suspended, that is because his frat Alpha phi Alpha, has high moral standards unlike the LAX team, and they routinely suspend members or chapters who do things like underage drinking, etc. Please contrast the behavior of the young men at the ApA hosted party earlier this year where there was a rape of a young white Duke student by someone not in the frat. The frat brothers helped police find the suspect, provided a name and everything as the girl could not really describe him. The frat brothers even told the police where he practiced basketball, etc so he could be picked up and taken off the streets. Contrast that to the lack of cooperation of the lax team( only 3 out of 30+ spoke to police and the 3 lied about Reade even being at the party) and how they fled the scene that night it. There is no comparison as to which group acted more honorably. Like all men of APA, Nartey is againist rape and abuse of women and that is why he spoke out to Pressler, who at the time had the team continue practicing as if nothing had happened. Nartey deserved the Griffith award IMO and a lot of other people here at Duke agree with me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-34882387421916457262007-07-15T15:49:00.000-04:002007-07-15T15:49:00.000-04:00Debrah 11:27Gregory's been reading too much Doc Sa...Debrah 11:27<BR/><BR/>Gregory's been reading too much Doc Savage,<BR/>and he's got KC confused with the ol' protean genious.<BR/><BR/>Brilliant stuff!machttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14248016116043347912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-81212951600665239442007-07-15T14:49:00.000-04:002007-07-15T14:49:00.000-04:00I am reminded of the E.R. (I thinkcomment, where o...I am reminded of the E.R. (I think<BR/>comment, where one doc asks this<BR/>question:<BR/><BR/>"What do you call the person who graduates last in his class in medical school?"<BR/><BR/>Answer: "Doctor."<BR/><BR/>I was once honored to be invited to a luncheon<BR/>with the BoT at the college I attended, something about being a<BR/>"student leader" - (still don't know what they were talking about.)<BR/><BR/>I lost my admiration for such awards/invitations after that...machttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14248016116043347912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-21818043704316982382007-07-15T11:27:00.000-04:002007-07-15T11:27:00.000-04:00TO Gregory--Your 12:00AM is stellar!Especially the...TO Gregory--<BR/><BR/>Your 12:00AM is stellar!<BR/><BR/>Especially the last paragraph.<BR/><BR/>LOL!!!<BR/><BR/>DebrahAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-27150514710826045072007-07-15T09:49:00.000-04:002007-07-15T09:49:00.000-04:00AusGirl,In the US you'll see this demeaning lower ...AusGirl,<BR/><BR/>In the US you'll see this demeaning lower expectations for minorities, particularly blacks, everywhere.<BR/><BR/>Listen to how white liberals talk about blacks. They talk as if blacks have no will of their own and no control over their own destiny. To them, blacks need to be managed and cared for by the state, at the direction of the white liberal. <BR/><BR/>Read an article by a white liberal, and its like the outdoors writer talking about his state's wildlife. As if they need funding, management and control like the deer herd or walleye population, because they can't be expected to act responsibly or take care of themselves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-83056170071437713792007-07-15T09:47:00.000-04:002007-07-15T09:47:00.000-04:003:05 You are clearly in the lottery pool. Did you ...3:05 You are clearly in the lottery pool. Did you grow up poor and/or oppressed? Are you gay?<BR/><BR/>If so you have untold advantage as long as you tow the party line. That is of course until you compete with a poor, black, gay, woman, then you will fare quite badly.<BR/><BR/>What you know, your work ethic, and your morals have little meaning until you get a real job. My experience with Aussies is that they do quite well on their own.<BR/><BR/>What does an Austrailian call a tall poppy that is not accomplished?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-65672870589740805022007-07-15T06:55:00.000-04:002007-07-15T06:55:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.machttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14248016116043347912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-73400909533832115532007-07-15T06:52:00.000-04:002007-07-15T06:52:00.000-04:00Someone asked what could be done at Duke to reform...Someone asked what could be done at Duke to reform the school.<BR/>I would propose, in the fine history of satire at Duke - (as practiced<BR/>by Duke fans at sporting events) -<BR/>that students lampoon their own professors - (meaning the 88 and Brodhead) - <BR/>on national TV.<BR/><BR/>I especially liked the Seior Vittles<BR/>parody, as well as "Penis Pity."<BR/><BR/>That, and start a humor mag, like National Lampoon, which originated at Harvard: <BR/>The characters in this case should provide enough<BR/>fodder for at least 2 years.machttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14248016116043347912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-74278395027161245392007-07-15T06:43:00.000-04:002007-07-15T06:43:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.machttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14248016116043347912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-48668291047143210282007-07-15T03:05:00.000-04:002007-07-15T03:05:00.000-04:00AusGirl asks...Okay, I'm starting to wonder about ...AusGirl asks...<BR/><BR/>Okay, I'm starting to wonder about this Affirmative Action thing in the States. If anyone were to ask me my background, I'd say "Australian". That's what I am, here.<BR/><BR/>But my maternal line includes Chinese (from the pearling days in the late 1800's) and Aboriginal (from the many relationships that flourished between the pearlers and the original population); my paternal line includes Native American (Ojibwe). Of course, there's also English, Irish and Scandanavian thrown in, but I guess those don't "count". And, by American standards, I'm a "foreigner".<BR/><BR/>So if I sent in identical applications to, say, Duke; one just listing myself as "Australian", and one identifying myself as a (1) Chinese- (2) Aboriginal- (3) Native American- (4) Woman (ignoring those inconvenient Anglo-Saxon relatives); would the "I Be A Minority" card get me more consideration? Would the "Angry Studies" folk embrace me?<BR/><BR/>(I did actually attend a US school for my Master's, the University of Chicago, but I didn't realise back then that what race/colour my ancestors were had anything to do with my educational endeavours, so I was just a simple "Australian" back then (in the 80's). I was more "disciminated against" for my propensity to spell funny than for my racial makeup, but maybe that was because I didn't realise I should be looking out for it, but if Duke lets me in I'll work on it...)<BR/><BR/>Honestly! I would feel SO DEMEANED to have people believe that because of the "minorities" in my background, and/or the fact that I'm female, I somehow need "special help", "special consideration". Heck, if I don't have the brains to become a rocket scientist, then I shouldn't expect to become a rocket scientist, just as if I'm not 7 feet tall and am a klutz, then I shouldn't expect to become a star basketballer.<BR/><BR/>I'm sorry to go on and on, but it floors me that it looks like some top-class schools in "the land of the free and the home of the brave", bastion of democracy and "any one can pull themselves up by their bootstraps" equality seem to believe that some animals are less equal than others and must be given "help" because they aren't capable otherwise of meeting the high standards of the other animals.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-45235537737354681312007-07-15T00:46:00.000-04:002007-07-15T00:46:00.000-04:00Damn, didn't Levicy hire Bourlan too! She needs le...Damn, didn't Levicy hire Bourlan too! She needs legal assistance in a bad way. Just ask mac.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-80630458779599622007-07-15T00:38:00.000-04:002007-07-15T00:38:00.000-04:00Dear Sir or Madam:On behalf of my clients, Mike Ni...Dear Sir or Madam:<BR/><BR/>On behalf of my clients, Mike Nifong, Mark Gottlieb, Brian Meehan, Benjamin Himan, Bob Ashley, Melanie Sill, David Saacks, Judge Stephens, Judge Titus, Duff Wilson, Ashley Cannon, Linwood Wilson, Lt. Ripberger, Cpt. Lamb, Kathy Rudy, Nancy Grace, John Stevenson, Woody Vann, Wendy Murphy, Dick Brodhead, et al., we would DEMAND that you CEASE and DESIST from detracting from our fine contributions to what you have called the "Hoax" or "Frame Job." <BR/><BR/>If you do not CEASE and DESIST at once, we will send one of our evil white lawyers to serve you with lawsuit papers. <BR/><BR/>Sincerely,<BR/><BR/><BR/>John "The Cadaver" Bourlan<BR/><BR/>_______________<BR/><BR/>There is a YouTube video floating around showing Al Gore caught in the act of spying on K.C. Johnson while K.C. was fiddling with this new "internet" thingy. www.youtube.algorethenextprez.com MOO! GregoryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-3119257080853550102007-07-15T00:25:00.000-04:002007-07-15T00:25:00.000-04:00"Does anyone else see Holloway's hand in any of th..."Does anyone else see Holloway's hand in any of this? Pure speculation, of course...."<BR/><BR/>And does it (or any other part of her) have Nartey's DNA on it?<BR/><BR/>Pure speculation, of course....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-32664590221443134912007-07-15T00:22:00.000-04:002007-07-15T00:22:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-26621563490705517212007-07-15T00:06:00.000-04:002007-07-15T00:06:00.000-04:00Polanski...I am beginning to be concerned about yo...Polanski...<BR/><BR/>I am beginning to be concerned about your overt race-based comments. Although I am no proponent of a spoils system based on race, I also don't automatically assume the existence of a "spoils system" largesse being fundamental to an individual's character.<BR/><BR/>If you are suggesting that Nartey desrves special attention because of something other that the fact that he is Black and African, then so be it.<BR/><BR/>But I beseech you....the simple fact that he is African (white or black, one might add) is not deserving of your rebuke or calumny.<BR/><BR/>Now, if you circumscribe your rhetoric to qualities that are proper focus of evaluation, then I am with you 100%.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-33634818100075686212007-07-15T00:03:00.000-04:002007-07-15T00:03:00.000-04:00Frustrated 5:45 said... If there is anyone reading...Frustrated 5:45 said... <BR/><BR/>If there is anyone reading this who might have a concrete suggestion or plan to offer, I encourage you to do so? <BR/>::<BR/>I'm thinking that any plan will evolve week by week depending on what happens with future law suits; the actions of Duke; the number of Duke G88 that move on to their next victim; the specific actions of Duke alumni and the report coming out of the Durham police investigation.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps we should pay attention also to the release of the movie Indoctrination U!<BR/><BR/>Those who have been harmed need to move first with people like me working behind the scenes to help. Many of us are not directly connected to Duke and we have not been personally or professionally harmed.<BR/><BR/>I talk about the case regularly with people to need to know about the case and I am amazed how many people are keeping up with the week to week developments.<BR/>::<BR/>GPGary Packwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05177986821224068759noreply@blogger.com