tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post5638780765792583313..comments2024-02-24T05:19:10.949-05:00Comments on Durham-in-Wonderland: From the Newsdeskkcjohnson9http://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-64445792855190786592009-09-24T09:54:25.613-04:002009-09-24T09:54:25.613-04:00KC and folks:
Two semi interesting notes.
1. My k...KC and folks:<br />Two semi interesting notes.<br /><br />1. My kid just entered law school (the world needs more, right?) and I found on the school's website outlines of each of the courses for the fall term. One syllabus has what appears to be 1/3 of the course with a title: "Nifong." <br /><br />It might be interesting to see how many law schools are incorporating, or not, the examples/lessons of the <br />Duke/Nifong debacle. And of course, the particular spin.<br /><br />2. Burris has a column (whole back page) in the most recent Chronicle of Higher Education on Study Abroad. Not very insightful nor groundbreaking.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-3536573103875262532009-09-23T08:53:11.405-04:002009-09-23T08:53:11.405-04:00Here is a link to an article by Andrew Cohen (hard...Here is a link to an article by Andrew Cohen (hard to believe) that touches upon the problems of so much pretrial publicity in the present Yale case, in which Raymond Clark is the alleged killer:<br /><br />http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/09/21/crimesider/entry5327475.shtml<br /><br />ChrisChris Halkideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14933976220776524122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-7617684120636213792009-09-22T14:46:29.315-04:002009-09-22T14:46:29.315-04:00To the 10.13:
Is this quote actually from O'C...To the 10.13:<br /><br />Is this quote actually from O'Connor? If so, could you forward it to me? (kcjohnson9@gmail.com)kcjohnson9https://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-25675840516999833102009-09-22T10:13:32.130-04:002009-09-22T10:13:32.130-04:00From Anahad Oconnor:
"Actually, Rich, the rea...From Anahad Oconnor:<br />"Actually, Rich, the reason the article did not contain the accuser's name is really quite simple. At the time the article was published, the authorities had yet to release it. It only came out at a later time. If you're upset, you should direct your outrage at the district attorney's office."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-52966660112743027102009-09-22T10:12:03.059-04:002009-09-22T10:12:03.059-04:00To Haunches 85
I agree wholeheartedly with your d...To Haunches 85<br /><br />I agree wholeheartedly with your diagnosis of Dickie Brodhead as being completely self-serving. I disagree that his motives were to "protect the images of Yale and Duke". While my disagreement is, obviously, a minor point, I subscribe no motives to Brodhead that are directed toward the greater good of either university or anyone other than himself. His statement justifying his removal of the Yale professor is as definitionally arrogant as his statements regardiung the firing of the Duke lacrosse coach. Brodhead actually believes that, because of his intellect, he is omnipotent and much wiser than all other humans. Therefore, he believes he can, and has an obligation to, predict future actions of those he considers to be lesser in intellect (by his definition, that would be the rest of the univers). He then "boldly" acts to prevent all lesser beings from the perils he predicts in his twisted mind. <br /><br />This man is deranged, and he must be removed before he ruins Duke University.<br /><br />My fear is that Dickie Brodhead has so badly injured Duke that recovery is impossible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-77314735895820750282009-09-22T08:36:58.718-04:002009-09-22T08:36:58.718-04:00What I find interesting -- very interesting -- is ...What I find interesting -- very interesting -- is that few news outlets really have used the "they were no angels" line on the five falsely-accused men, but they spared no invective going after Reade Seligmann, Collin Finnerty, and David Evans.<br /><br />I remember how vicious the attacks were -- including the Burness missive in Newsday -- even after it was obvious that the charges were a lie. Now, you tell me what is more disgusting, a team hiring a couple of strippers or five young men engaging in what essentially was a gangbang of an 18-year-old female.<br /><br />One of the accused said he had a wonderful girlfriend. It would seem to me that this "wonderful girlfriend" might have something to say about her boyfriend.<br /><br />Yet, we have heard time after time that the lacrosse players were a bunch of animals who got what they deserved. Now, tell me what conduct on behalf of those players invited rape charges, and brutal rape charges at that. We heard that Collin was a "gay basher" and Houston Baker claimed that the "lacrosse team beat up a gay man."<br /><br />At least no one has lied in the press about these five young men in the Hofstra case; in the situation of the lacrosse players, all the press did was to lie.<br /><br />On another note, I see that Duke University has adopted the very same police regarding sex (or, to be more accurate, consensual sex) that was in place at the institution formerly known as Antioch College. Yes, Duke now is channeling Antioch, or perhaps the leadership at that university wants to be Antioch With An Endowment (which seems to be shrinking rapidly).<br /><br />So, that will be Brodhead and Steel's legacy: they turned Duke into Antioch College. Not exactly a proud heritage.William L. Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802990642236807359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-20255353056788068592009-09-22T06:43:13.263-04:002009-09-22T06:43:13.263-04:00Not prosecuting the false accusers is beyond deplo...Not prosecuting the false accusers is beyond deplorable, even evil, and has significant historic precedent.<br /><br />"...what was important in 1941 was the decision, embodied in orders issued by Heydrich in May and confirmed...exempting from punishment members...who carried them our..." - "Modern Times", Paul Johnson<br /><br />Appropriately Johnson's writing is located in Chapter Eleven titled, "The Watershed Year". <br /><br />Intentionally not enforcing existing laws and formally exempting others from those laws achieves the same evil ends.<br /><br />As history showed, "Their lieutentants obeyed blindly or in a pathetic terror, and the vast nations over which they ruled seem to have had no choice but to stumble in their wake towards mutual destruction. We have here the very opposite of historical determinism - the apotheosis of the single autocrat. Thus it is, when the moral restraints of religion and tradition, hierarchy and precedent, are removed, the power to suspend or unleash catastrophic events does not devolve on the impersonal benevolence of the masses but falls into the hands of men who are isolated by the very totality of their evil natures."<br /><br />Johnson reminds us of why we must de-construct the de-constructionists, and their abettors and strive toward the truth. Anything less leads to some very, very bad things.No Justice, No Peacenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-6283956824542957432009-09-22T01:50:18.317-04:002009-09-22T01:50:18.317-04:00If people want to have group sex-for whatever reas...If people want to have group sex-for whatever reasons-and all are of legal age what is despicable about that? There is so much puritanism in these stories.There also seems to be an implication that women do not like to participate in sex as much as men do and that male interest in sex is morally bad in many ways.The notion of men having so much power is hardly even questioned anymore.I had boys at my feet as a young girl.A besotted boy will do anything for you. Women's studies has become totally twisted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-22142905236574152112009-09-22T00:28:28.087-04:002009-09-22T00:28:28.087-04:00Where would Brodhead rank on a list of the worst m...Where would Brodhead rank on a list of the worst major university presidents? I would think he'd be in line for one of the big trophies and not one of the small ones.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-34456368362441012092009-09-21T23:35:49.018-04:002009-09-21T23:35:49.018-04:00Tsk, Tsk, Tsk, Dr. Johnson.
This is surely a won...Tsk, Tsk, Tsk, Dr. Johnson.<br /><br />This is surely a wonderful opportunity<br /><i><br />a lesson for those intent on self-protection under Duke’s new, draconian sexual assault code. Since the code requires evidence of consent at each stage of the intercourse process </i><br /><br />Now, young men will feel no shame in placing hidden vid-cams in their rooms to record their 'interactions' with their honeys of the moment.<br /><br />The 'evidence of consent' can always be sold to porn sites, regardless of whether the man is charged with violation of the sexual conduct code.A nony mousenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-9232433929536991172009-09-21T23:16:37.477-04:002009-09-21T23:16:37.477-04:00Yes they do lie but that does not mean that women ...Yes they do lie but that does not mean that women are not raped and frequently tortured and killed by the rapist. I think it is awful to compare these guys, who indulged in group sex with an 18 year old freshmen,to the Lax Team who I cannot believe the Team would have have so little respect for themselves to engage in this behavior. <br />KC, you are a Professor and see freshmen all the time. Are they gullible, uncertain and trying to please. What do you think of these guys? Are they victims?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-56895107534089673792009-09-21T22:36:55.323-04:002009-09-21T22:36:55.323-04:00Somebody should send this article with a note to W...Somebody should send this article with a note to Wendy Murphy (CC every Women's Studies Depts:) <br /><br />Women DO lie about rape.jamil husseinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-34719863523460472112009-09-21T22:20:25.136-04:002009-09-21T22:20:25.136-04:00Hi KC,
You are spot on, as usual.
I am glad the ...Hi KC,<br /><br />You are spot on, as usual.<br /><br />I am glad the truth came out so quickly. <br /><br />However, I don't think it fair to compare these guys with the Duke lacrosse accused. If the Duke players had behaved the way the Hofstra guys behaved, I bet somebody would be in jail, and Nifong would still be an attorney.<br /><br />I disagree with those who think the newspapers should publish the 18 year old accuser's name (and picture). I also don't think the papers should have published the accused guys names.<br /><br />The media shows its hypocrisy in publishing the names of the accused and not the false accuser. However, given their ages (and the ubiquity of the internet), I don't think the solution is to publish more names.<br /><br />Didn't we used to treat young folks, especially troubled young folks, with a bit more compassion? Give their frontal lobes some time to become fully developed?<br /><br /><br />-RDAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-82808447903810092002009-09-21T21:09:22.043-04:002009-09-21T21:09:22.043-04:00Haunches 85:
THe Van de Velde case is instructiv...Haunches 85: <br /><br />THe Van de Velde case is instructive in understanding Brodhead's poor decision making during the Duke lacrosse debacle. In both cases, Brodhead ruthlessly threw people associated with the University under the bus for public consumption. Why would he do that? Because both Duke and Yale are sited in locations with reputations for being (at best) unfriendly and (at worst) outright dangerous. His goal in both instances was to protect the reputation of the University, and the underlying facts and people's lives were irrelevant. The Van de Velde case had an additional lurking danger for Yale: 5 years before Jovin's murder, a Yale lacrosse player (!) had been killed. Yale had just started recovering Iin terms of applications and yield) from that murder when the Jovin murder happened. It was critical for Brodhead to establish that it was a lunatic associated with Yale rather than random New Haven violence. Similarly, during the Duke lacrosse debacle, Brodhead worked overtime to paint his own students as racist, violent rapists rather than admit the school was surrounded by opportunists and cutthroats. Cutting the players loose and making wrong and inflammatory statements about Duke students sent a clear and unmistakeable message: the problem was an internal Duke cancer, which it excised, and not a surrounding community problem that will not get better. <br /><br />Do not underestimate how cynical Brodhead is, nor overestimate his abilities. He will say and do absolutely anything to advance what he peceives to be his own self interest. By the same token, I recall screaming at my TV during hte 60 Minutes interview to get him out of there because he came across as a panicked schoolboy in way over his head. In the lacrosse case, he was exposed because the allegations against his students were so stupid and refutable. He has no business being in charge of anyone or anything, and why the Trustees continue to support him is a source of great mystery to the alumni base.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-89347360814105393812009-09-21T18:55:27.151-04:002009-09-21T18:55:27.151-04:00"O’Connor’s article shielded Ndonye’s name, y...<i>"O’Connor’s article shielded Ndonye’s name, yet included the names and ages of the four men she falsely accused."</i><br /><br />*****************************<br /><br />This practice really has to end.<br /><br />Why doesn't someone in the media protest this archaic method?<br /><br /><br />Given Brodhead's impotent and damaging history, his mishandling of the Lacrosse Hoax is certainly in character.Debrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04567454727276881424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-36412760040553000162009-09-21T15:23:03.161-04:002009-09-21T15:23:03.161-04:00what possible rationale could exist for not report...<i>what possible rationale could exist for not reporting the name of the false accuser while simultaneously reporting the names of the people she falsely accused?</i><br /><br />I can think of a good justification: to correct for previous stories that identified them by name.<br /><br />If Bob Smith was an accused rapist, and we found out that the accuser recanted, then explicitly identifying Bob Smith helps to clear his name.<br /><br />Now, this raises the distinct point of Bob Smith's having been identified in the first place, and there are good arguments to be made that he should not have been.<br /><br />But once someone is identified as a rape suspect, later spelling out the fact that all charges are dropped and the accuser recanted seems good.Dan Weberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06626675217693199470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-26672974641321727692009-09-21T14:46:14.931-04:002009-09-21T14:46:14.931-04:00KC -- My daughter (and their families), who live i...KC -- My daughter (and their families), who live in eastern Long Island, were visiting us for the High Holydays, and one of them brought with her the Long Island edition of Newsday from Friday, September 18. I had occasion to notice the paper's headline: The Hofstra Case, Why Her Story Changed. While I had heard something about the rape accusation, I hadn't paid much attention to it. Thus, when I saw the headline it did catch my attention (because it sounded vaguely like the Duke/Durham case, although, as we all know, Mangum has yet to recant). I proceeded to read some of the stories about the case, and what I found most interesting, which is the point you make about other news publications: the names and pictures of four of the five accused are splashed all over the paper. As for women who falsely accused them, not even her name, let alone her picture, is to be found anywhere in any of the Newsday articles.<br /><br />Then there was Joyce Brown's column on page 3 (Tough questions and lessons learned). After the very first "question" I gave up on her. In it she put all the onus of the incident on the men. She stated, "The men did nothing illegal, but that doesn't make the behavior any less despicable." Well, what about the women involved? Was her behavior any less despicable? Of course, I suppose in Joyce Brown's world it's always the man (or men) never the woman, and by leaving her unidentified she lets her off scott-free.<br /><br />Jack in Silver SpringAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com