tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post5834304925324486681..comments2024-02-24T05:19:10.949-05:00Comments on Durham-in-Wonderland: Postscript: The Gottlieb Responsekcjohnson9http://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-62967600986583465122008-01-19T22:18:00.000-05:002008-01-19T22:18:00.000-05:00Anon 2:58No, the message is not lost.There's a lot...Anon 2:58<BR/><BR/>No, the message is not lost.<BR/>There's a lot of disengenuity - (as evidenced by the tactics employed by the attorneys for the defendants of the suit.) There's not a lot of imagination on display.<BR/><BR/>That was why I made the "Bigas" comment. The tactic we've been seeing is the same as the one from that perpetual anon with regard to Levity. Perhaps the defendants themselves suggested it to their lawyers, or Bigas mailed in her many contemplations?? <BR/><BR/>It appeared that way in Nifong's case, anyway. It was like watching someone play darts, being both the thrower and the board.<BR/><BR/>::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::<BR/><BR/>I would prefer that the defendants in this case be only fairly represented; there's no Constitutional right to great representation, only adequate representation. <BR/><BR/>And hopefully, the tactics thus employed won't be grounds for appeal, should the plaintiffs win.machttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14248016116043347912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-816221426044699312008-01-18T14:58:00.000-05:002008-01-18T14:58:00.000-05:00Having read through many of the resonses to this o...Having read through many of the resonses to this otherwise interesting blog, I find it extremely distracting that so many of you seem to confuse the messenger with the message. Please remember that the attorneys do not necessarily personally agree with the positions of their clients, but they nonetheless have a job to do, i.e. representing their client's legal interests, using the (good and bad) facts available. This is how adversarial persuasive writing works. The Plaintiffs' attorneys will, no doubt, present a version of their clients' positions that places them in the best light.<BR/><BR/>It is for this reason that positions in a legal brief are usually attributed to the party, not the attorney that memorializes them. This is pretty basic, but apparently lost on the author and contributors.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-31150661233071323512008-01-17T14:08:00.000-05:002008-01-17T14:08:00.000-05:00Much like Addison, Gottlieb is scum S-C-U-M. I ca...Much like Addison, Gottlieb is scum S-C-U-M. I can't believe any police force or any other group would want him as a member.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-74482681890096037122008-01-17T09:44:00.000-05:002008-01-17T09:44:00.000-05:00"The most peculiar items from the Gottlieb memoran..."The most peculiar items from the Gottlieb memorandum come in the sections where his attorneys paints the sergeant as a typical North Carolina law enforcement officer. "<BR/><BR/>My concern is that here he may be telling the truth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-80320401332426310002008-01-17T09:35:00.000-05:002008-01-17T09:35:00.000-05:00Interesting that Gottlieb was really helping the f...Interesting that Gottlieb was really helping the falsely accused, as exonerating evidence was "due in part to information gathered by the DPD..."<BR/><BR/>That sounds like the very same nonsensical argument Bigas uses repeatedly in her T-Bird defense of Nurse Levity.<BR/><BR/>Is Gottlieb's lawyer as dumb as Bigas, or is he just taking notes while sipping from the same bottle?machttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14248016116043347912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-16278725740969564772008-01-17T07:12:00.000-05:002008-01-17T07:12:00.000-05:00To the 4.55:Many thanks for your amateur history l...To the 4.55:<BR/><BR/>Many thanks for your amateur history lesson. It's my sense that anonymous assertions about academic matters tend not to be terribly persuasive.<BR/><BR/>Indeed all history is constructed. I happen to think that history that's constructed from facts, as opposed to demonstrably untrue assertions, is more persuasive. You, of course, have every right to take a different approach.kcjohnson9https://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-59228152057542525542008-01-17T04:55:00.000-05:002008-01-17T04:55:00.000-05:00"Reinventing History," eh? Who invented the first..."Reinventing History," eh? Who invented the first version? I'm glad to see that you've finally "gotten" it, Prof. J! All history is constructed. From the views and evidence of the person creating the narrative. So, there are lots of viewpoints. Too bad you failed to recognize this in most of your posts, which seemed to proclaim that only the KCJ version was the "real" (correctly invent?!!) version of history.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-55136970975115543552008-01-16T20:41:00.000-05:002008-01-16T20:41:00.000-05:00Speas and Stevens (understandably) dance around Go...<I>Speas and Stevens (understandably) dance around Gottlieb’s admission (in his testimony to the Bar) that he gave false information to the grand jury.</I><BR/><BR/>I have no doubt that Gottlieb gave false information to the grand jury but what comments did he make in his testimony before the Bar admitting to it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-50503704459885056392008-01-16T20:02:00.000-05:002008-01-16T20:02:00.000-05:00Reading through these it becomes obvious why the p...Reading through these it becomes obvious why the plaintiffs suit suggests change and oversight.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-25437223082279594712008-01-16T18:48:00.000-05:002008-01-16T18:48:00.000-05:00“Sgt. Gottlieb has always been careful, as he was ...“Sgt. Gottlieb has always been careful, as he was in this case, to investigate alleged violent crimes fairly and thoroughly without regard for the social status, race or gender of the victim or perpetrator of the alleged crime.”<BR/><BR/>Is college student a social status?<BR/><BR/>Does he take race into consideration when beating up restaurant cooks?Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11381497683202091939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-63379717872654159572008-01-16T16:02:00.000-05:002008-01-16T16:02:00.000-05:00"The attorneys also get in a jab at the attorney g..."The attorneys also get in a jab at the attorney general (who noted that no evidence existed to substantiate Crystal Mangum’s claims). Gottlieb’s investigation, according to his attorneys, “produced both inculpatory and exculpatory information.” What was the “inculpatory” evidence? Mangum’s (uncorroborated, wildly varying) statements to the workers at the mental health facility, to medical personnel at Duke Medical Center and to Sgt. Gottlieb and other members of the DPD."<BR/><BR/><BR/>Perhaps a distinction needs to be made between evidence and creditable evidence. Speas and Stevens must believe that when you have no defense throw-up a bunch of BS and pray something sticks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-38097003643183472562008-01-16T14:48:00.000-05:002008-01-16T14:48:00.000-05:00Instead, they suggest that the most unfavorable in...<I>Instead, they suggest that the most unfavorable interpretation of Gottlieb’s conduct would suggest that “Sgt. Gottlieb cut corners in a high-profile rape investigation in response to pressure from his superiors to crack the case,” and that he never “intended his actions to be prejudicial or injurious” to the plaintiffs.</I><BR/><BR/>Good grief! This is B.S. to the core! A malicious prosecution not "injurious" to Reade, Collin and David, and their families? Yeah, right.<BR/><BR/>I think that someone needs to stop the car the attorneys are driving to see if they are smoking something illegal....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-71881758385834556272008-01-16T14:38:00.000-05:002008-01-16T14:38:00.000-05:00Brad Bannon really stated it the best when he said...Brad Bannon really stated it the best when he said "Everyone seems to agree that "it" was wrong, yet they go on to claim no one is responsible for "it."<BR/><BR/>Indeed, these various lawyers are imploring the same stance.Chicagohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15932685949790425487noreply@blogger.com