tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post5858195539422480716..comments2024-02-24T05:19:10.949-05:00Comments on Durham-in-Wonderland: Free Speech & William D. Cohankcjohnson9http://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-27081820163436717432014-06-11T10:18:38.777-04:002014-06-11T10:18:38.777-04:00@ Hershel Parker said...
>Jim Peterson--can you...@ Hershel Parker said...<br />>Jim Peterson--can you suggest putting Mark Wylie's review into the PRICE OF SILENCE Wiki bibliography? I posted it on my blog (with Wylie's permission) but I don't know how to add it to the Wiki bibliography. It will be in the big Amazon link but it deserves to be in the bibliography separately, I think. Thanks!<br /><br />Looks like it was done:<br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Price_of_Silence_(2014_book)#cite_ref-23Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-15504241571494907632014-05-29T15:16:15.845-04:002014-05-29T15:16:15.845-04:00@Hershel Parker 5/29/14, 11:50 AM said...
>Jim ...@Hershel Parker 5/29/14, 11:50 AM said...<br />>Jim Peterson--can you suggest putting Mark Wylie's review into the PRICE OF SILENCE Wiki bibliography? I posted it on my blog (with Wylie's permission) but I don't know how to add it to the Wiki bibliography. It will be in the big Amazon link but it deserves to be in the bibliography separately, I think. Thanks!<br /><br />It would be much better if you communicate to Wylie and have him post it on a blog separate from the Amazon comments. Until then a direct link to the review would be OK, but not the best.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-86075538384519022412014-05-29T11:50:44.842-04:002014-05-29T11:50:44.842-04:00Jim Peterson--can you suggest putting Mark Wylie&#...Jim Peterson--can you suggest putting Mark Wylie's review into the PRICE OF SILENCE Wiki bibliography? I posted it on my blog (with Wylie's permission) but I don't know how to add it to the Wiki bibliography. It will be in the big Amazon link but it deserves to be in the bibliography separately, I think. Thanks!Hershel Parkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03919613095448470289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-59308481253595830382014-05-26T12:42:18.418-04:002014-05-26T12:42:18.418-04:00@7:36
Just returned from Wikipedia. I did not fi...@7:36<br /><br />Just returned from Wikipedia. I did not find the tutorials self-evident, at all.<br /><br />My sole edit was to suggest adding the April 21 review of Price of Silence by Hershel Parker, Pulitzer Prize finalist non-fiction author.<br /><br />here is the web page:<br /><br />http://fragmentsfromawritingdesk.blogspot.com/2014/04/cohans-price-of-silence-main-stream.html<br /><br />I have no idea whether I succeeded or not. Can someone who can, please check?<br /><br />Keep in mind, I am just a citizen. Retired father and grandfather. Missed most of the computer and internet age. <br /><br />What seems obvious to many may not be so obvious of those of us in this category.<br /><br />Jim PetersonJim In San Diegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06959286127760699852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-17561574075330532972014-05-26T11:05:27.124-04:002014-05-26T11:05:27.124-04:00@10:14
You are probably correct.
In the age of...@10:14<br /><br />You are probably correct. <br /><br />In the age of Information Overload, impressions count, as no one can read it all. <br /><br />It is possible for someone like Cohan to wave at the withering blizzard of negative reviews and commentary and say, as he has done, "there must be something wrong with the reviews - there are so many of them and they all say the same thing".<br /><br />The fact neither he, nor anyone else, ever answers the criticisms in the reviews, goes unnoticed by many. No one can read it all.<br /><br />In important ways, this is the tragedy of the age of information overload. Joan Foster's impassioned and, in my view accurate and timely comments about the harm done to Blacks and other minorities by Nifong and now Cohan, should be read by everyone. <br /><br />It is just that it cannot be. So, the whole issue just dissolves into an exercise in public relations. <br /><br />Way too bad.<br /><br />Jim PetersonJim In San Diegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06959286127760699852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-71054754025221655502014-05-26T10:14:59.167-04:002014-05-26T10:14:59.167-04:00Someone needs to tell the commenters on reviews of...Someone needs to tell the commenters on reviews of Price of Silence on Amazon, enough already, don't overplay your hand. Going on and on and on, determined to trounce what has already taken a hit from which it most likely cannot recover, can undermine public trust in the spontaneous nature of the uprising that took place on Amazon.<br /><br />Just my opinion. The facts are in place there. Let them speak for themselves. The author Cohan has not responded to the issues raised, just grumbled about "haters" and free speech. His response speaks for itself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-5133855578563585142014-05-26T06:52:38.333-04:002014-05-26T06:52:38.333-04:00I should be more clear: The two latest 1-star revi...I should be more clear: The two latest 1-star reviews for UPI added recently are by Mrs. and Mr. Cohan themselves. Quite the book swarm, no? :)robby panoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04590736176836927734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-51093911367624553922014-05-26T06:48:33.940-04:002014-05-26T06:48:33.940-04:00The two latest 1-star reviews are by D Retah and T...The two latest 1-star reviews are by D Retah and T Teller. D Retah is Mrs. Cohan, and T Teller is none other than William D. Cohan. robby panoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04590736176836927734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-36255298599784659782014-05-25T22:28:27.178-04:002014-05-25T22:28:27.178-04:00@7:36
Thank you!
Jim Peterson@7:36<br /><br />Thank you!<br /><br />Jim PetersonJim In San Diegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06959286127760699852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-80784734763261756192014-05-25T19:36:43.468-04:002014-05-25T19:36:43.468-04:00@Jim Peterson, 5/25/14, 5:34 PM
>The current W...@Jim Peterson, 5/25/14, 5:34 PM<br /><br />>The current Wikipedia draft includes Cohan's self-serving call for censoring book reviews, and another self-serving lengthy article describing how Amazon reviews can be blitzed. Cohan's Army has already been there.<br /><br />I don't think so. It is someone trying to be "neutral" in the spirit of Wikipedia, or as much as possible.<br /><br />>It does not include the review by Pulitzer Prize winning investigative journalist Dorothy Rabinowitz (Dishonest rewrite of the Lacrosse Story), nor Hershel Parker's review (A book that should not have been published).<br /><br />It does include The Rabinowitz review:<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_D._Cohan#cite_note-10<br /><br />Where is the Parker review? If you want specific reviews included, then please give the explicit links here for perusal. If someone want to edit into a Wikipedia entry, then that makes it easy. Remember, facts have to be sourced.<br /><br />>I have no idea how to offer edits to Wikipedia.<br /><br />They have good, short tutorials. Very easy. Start with "Help" page on left side:<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents<br />To edit:<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tutorial/Editing<br />Easy way is to have the rendered page next to the editing page so you can see how the markup works and just copy/ paste and edit and "show preview", then edit out mistakes. Then do it again. Nothing is visible on Wikipedia until you "Save Page".<br /><br />> Request: (1) If you know how, please go there and consider whether the site is not being engineered to mislead readers<br /><br />I don't think it is being engineered at all. It is an iterative process, and the issues that are discussed here are appearing in the entry for Cohan. There is now also an entry for the "Price of Silence" which needs needs substantial additions. Consider working on that. Even if it is messy, others will clean it up. Eventually all the "controversy" stuff about the book should be encapsulated with the book entry, and only Cohan specific items (meaning concerning the author and not a book) left with the Cohan entry. Of course mention of controversy where Cohan is involved in some activities apart from the content of the book can be mentioned in the Cohan entry explicitly, or linked to in another article.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-21544111944136398762014-05-25T17:36:45.333-04:002014-05-25T17:36:45.333-04:00@5/25/14, 3:37 PM
"I know because the "p...@5/25/14, 3:37 PM<br />"I know because the "public wish list" at D. Retah's Amazon profile says "this wish list is for Deb Futter."<br /><br />I'd be careful here. I just played around with Amazon Wishlists and was able to link a fake account with my name. So I would suggest first that "D. Retah" started a fake account, and then someone else a fake account for "Deb Futter" and crosslinked them. The Futter list has zero items and yet is "Public". As pointed out before, the sloppy language is unlike a book editor.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-16803836532055409422014-05-25T17:34:22.365-04:002014-05-25T17:34:22.365-04:00Anonymous @7:45, and folks,
The current Wikipedia...Anonymous @7:45, and folks,<br /><br />The current Wikipedia draft includes Cohan's self-serving call for censoring book reviews, and another self-serving lengthy article describing how Amazon reviews can be blitzed. Cohan's Army has already been there.<br /><br />It does not include the review by Pulitzer Prize winning investigative journalist Dorothy Rabinowitz (Dishonest rewrite of the Lacrosse Story), nor Hershel Parker's review (A book that should not have been published).<br /><br />I have no idea how to offer edits to Wikipedia.<br /><br />Request: (1) If you know how, please go there and consider whether the site is not being engineered to mislead readers, Or,<br /><br />(2) Explain how to edit the site, or where to go to learn, and I will do it my self.<br /><br />Jim PetersonJim In San Diegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06959286127760699852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-41594767602234718142014-05-25T15:37:28.527-04:002014-05-25T15:37:28.527-04:00I know because the "public wish list" at...I know because the "public wish list" at D. Retah's Amazon profile says "this wish list is for Deb Futter."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-39247724864247475632014-05-25T13:43:11.823-04:002014-05-25T13:43:11.823-04:00How do you know "D. Retah" is Futter? I ...How do you know "D. Retah" is Futter? I believe she works in publishing as a book editor and would be the least likely person to use a word like "unputtdownable".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-23460738900548245512014-05-25T12:33:59.369-04:002014-05-25T12:33:59.369-04:00An interesting thing I've found out in the pas...An interesting thing I've found out in the past 24 hours: of the 18 five-star reviews at Amazon, one is by someone named Deb Futter (who reviewed under the pseudonym "D. Retah")--which happens to be the name of Cohan's wife. Four others are by people with names identical to four people explicitly thanked by Cohan in the acknowledgements to the book--Michael Brod, Jerome Buttrick, Alan Cantor and Eric Osserman (who reviewed under the name "dukeno1"). And a sixth is by Charles Rector, who has a long history of absurd commentary on the lacrosse case.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-30296084625152436442014-05-24T17:20:12.117-04:002014-05-24T17:20:12.117-04:00Right, so he's trying to make the public think...Right, so he's trying to make the public think prosecutor damage is ok so that they will think the current corruption of the duke / durham DA office is ok, especially when the DA's corruption is directed negatively at people involved in the duke lacrosse case, and publishing at this time in order to try another duke push at public brainwashing to 'save' duke by confusion and chaos fueled injustice. There is nothing new about that where Duke is concerned.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-83227651886985220942014-05-23T19:45:18.708-04:002014-05-23T19:45:18.708-04:00The book entry is now available for editing:
http...The book entry is now available for editing:<br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Price_of_Silence_%282014_book%29<br /><br />Contribute if you wish.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-69787277440742396772014-05-23T10:55:41.693-04:002014-05-23T10:55:41.693-04:00Trial Junkie:
Huffington Post has a point of view...Trial Junkie:<br /><br />Huffington Post has a point of view. On Cohan's reputation as an investigative reporter, Cohan fits right in. He apparently is considered a regular by Huffington Post.<br /><br />Huffington readers have almost uniformly rejected the idea of limiting freedom of speech for Cohan's critics. (This is based on my reading of the first 22 or so comments).<br /><br />Freedom of speech is important within Cohan's circle. Heads must have snapped in editorial offices from the New Yorker to Salon to the Economist when they read Cohan's call for limiting free speech.<br /><br />You will find no one within these circles supporting Cohan's call to censor book reviews. <br /><br />My opinion is that Cohan has stepped out-side the reservation, twice: First, when he went too far selling the benefits of prosecutor misconduct during his snake oil sales tour. Second, when he called for censoring book reviews.<br /><br />We shall see.<br /><br />Jim PetersonJim In San Diegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06959286127760699852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-46479371537532906682014-05-23T10:26:40.662-04:002014-05-23T10:26:40.662-04:00I'm not so optimistic that truth will out.
F...I'm not so optimistic that truth will out. <br /><br />First of all, do you think Huffington Post would have run Cohan's piece (are they making him a regular?) if they didn't basically agree with it? Would like to curb free speech. <br /><br />In other words, people of Cohan's persuasion support freedom of speech as long as they agree with it.<br /><br />Trial JunkieAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-21559610542684093402014-05-22T22:08:52.986-04:002014-05-22T22:08:52.986-04:00Cohan picked the Lacrosse Rape Hoax because he cou...Cohan picked the Lacrosse Rape Hoax because he could sell books attacking privileged, white, male, student athletes. That is it. Nothing more complicated than that.<br /><br />If he could sell books arguing that Dreyfus really was a traitor, Cohan would be right there, collecting his publisher's advance.<br /><br />It was a minor inconvenience that Mike Nifong was an unethical prosecutor. Prosecutorial misconduct is also frowned upon within Cohan's circles. However, Cohan softened that problem, for a while, until finally a member of the club could not stand it anymore, and called him out on it.<br /><br />The real nastiness in Price of Silence is the unanswered character assassination of the Lacrosse players. Professor Coleman's factual splash of cold water is ignored, and the true facts of the character and behavior of the Lacrosse players is completely absent. This suits Cohan and his audience.<br /><br />Eventually, truth will out. At least, I believe it will. <br /><br />Jim Peterson<br /><br />Jim In San Diegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06959286127760699852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-30821191875357101112014-05-22T21:38:52.351-04:002014-05-22T21:38:52.351-04:00There is no conspiracy. What Mr. Cohan appears not...There is no conspiracy. What Mr. Cohan appears not to realize is while the actual event and its near-aftermath were taking place, many people became very conversant with the incident, Group of 88, Crystal Mangum, SANE nurses, DNA labs, Brad Bannon, and a long list of other people, places and things relevant to "The Duke Lacrosse Case" We all read Durham in Wonderland, Liestoppers,and outputs from other entities and (speaking for myself) have a pretty good, albeit layman's, knowledge of the case's particulars. Then someone comes along 6 years later, almost totally ignoring the mountain of published work on the case, fails to interview 90 %+ of the principals and expects people not to harshly critique his efforts. What the ....?<br /> <br />Kudos to Joan and her review.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-53595186361746634812014-05-22T16:06:55.555-04:002014-05-22T16:06:55.555-04:00@Nicolas:
Am searching now for a photo I saw in t...@Nicolas:<br /><br />Am searching now for a photo I saw in the past couple of weeks with Cohan & Rector together.<br /><br />In the meantime, here is some interesting history of Rector:<br /><br />http://liestoppers.blogspot.com/2007/07/charles-rector-leading-parade-of-fools.html<br /><br />Jim PetersonJim In San Diegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06959286127760699852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-18710969047608737862014-05-22T15:45:45.332-04:002014-05-22T15:45:45.332-04:00Just read Joan Foster's stunning condemnation ...Just read Joan Foster's stunning condemnation of Cohan's bedding down with prosecutorial misconduct, a comment on Amazon.<br /><br />Joan has now done two great services, recently.<br /><br />(1) Identified the reason that Cohan, a business writer, decided to write a 600 page book about an 8 year old criminal rape case when he knows nothing about the workings of the criminal law, the ethics of prosecutors, and cannot distinguish an allele from a ukelele.<br /><br />Cohan picks targets that his audience already hates (Bear-Stearns, Goldman Sachs, wealthy white athletes) and tells his audience exactly what they want to hear. Facts be damned.<br /><br />(2) Produced in this one comment on Amazon a stunning indictment of Cohan's lack of moral compass, and its primary victims.<br /><br />A fire burns in her that we so desperately need.<br /><br />Joan Foster can work for me anytime. Or, it would be a pleasure for me to work for her.<br /><br />Jim PetersonJim In San Diegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06959286127760699852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-68970703819650314192014-05-22T12:45:27.947-04:002014-05-22T12:45:27.947-04:00Author Cohan's definition of "free speech...Author Cohan's definition of "free speech:" those who agree with me.<br /><br />His definition of "defamation:" those who disagree with me.<br /><br />(HT: The fascist's handbook)<br /><br />P.S. KC -- great post. Mr. Parker -- well said.<br /><br />Duke ProfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-71079959189909822562014-05-22T12:40:23.201-04:002014-05-22T12:40:23.201-04:00Awesome, Joan, wherever you are! I wish this could...Awesome, Joan, wherever you are! I wish this could be posted in more prominent places, i.e. under one of the 5-stars Cohan might be more apt to read.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com