tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post6576906226558894315..comments2024-02-24T05:19:10.949-05:00Comments on Durham-in-Wonderland: Cooney & Bannon on DNAkcjohnson9http://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comBlogger60125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-31423663734451867852007-08-03T16:03:00.000-04:002007-08-03T16:03:00.000-04:00Whoops.Apparently Gaynor did what he said and the ...Whoops.<BR/><BR/>Apparently Gaynor did what he said and the defense won even though his reports "fell between the cracks." <BR/><BR/>http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/gaynor/070803<BR/><BR/>Oh well, it was a bizarre case.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-31653560464510610702007-08-01T14:13:00.000-04:002007-08-01T14:13:00.000-04:001"32 You could be right but I doubt it.1"32 You could be right but I doubt it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-59751360745604652082007-08-01T13:32:00.000-04:002007-08-01T13:32:00.000-04:00Michael Gaynor must feel like a jack@ss now!!! Whe...Michael Gaynor must feel like a jack@ss now!!! When good blogs go bad!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-86730567664198315192007-08-01T12:28:00.000-04:002007-08-01T12:28:00.000-04:00LS is fine - good writing and thought - it is some...LS is fine - good writing and thought - it is some of those quack posters - but they do give a laugh.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-62891364565039914922007-08-01T12:21:00.000-04:002007-08-01T12:21:00.000-04:00I have been very preoccupied by a parent's health ...I have been very preoccupied by a parent's health crisis and have not read the LS Board for a couple of weeks. But the performance of the defense team throughout the case has been dazzling. I very much appreciate reading whatever they would like to share with us about the case. Maybe I will get a chance to catch up with what is on the LS Board at some point, but, regardless of what is said there, this case will almost certainly find its way into the history books (and absolutely into the law school textbooks) along with the names of the defense team and acknowledgment of their exceptionally expert handling of this case and its extraordinary outcome.<BR/><BR/>ObserverAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-62775199610314960062007-08-01T11:40:00.000-04:002007-08-01T11:40:00.000-04:00Aug 1, 2007 12:15:00 AM said:"Bannon looks good; L...Aug 1, 2007 12:15:00 AM said:<BR/><BR/>"Bannon looks good; LS looks Bad"<BR/><BR/>I strongly disagree. The thread over on Liestoppers, that KC writes about, is exactly what makes LS an excellent discussion board with forum leaders (moderators) who have continually shown an exceptional degree of fairness and tolerance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-21321552880475436902007-08-01T11:01:00.000-04:002007-08-01T11:01:00.000-04:00I doubt the defense team, particulary Joe Cheshire...I doubt the defense team, particulary Joe Cheshire, was fooled by Nifong for a second. As Cooney said " putting his law license and career in jeopardy for a advantage was unlikely." paraphasingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-20732492068174442412007-08-01T10:09:00.000-04:002007-08-01T10:09:00.000-04:00hman, re: lost trust in forensic science.Check out...hman, re: lost trust in forensic science.<BR/><BR/>Check out <A HREF="http://z9.invisionfree.com/LieStoppers_Board/index.php?s=631947408e7b2361385f5733095e934e&showtopic=4477&st=200&hl=" REL="nofollow">this thread</A>.<BR/><BR/>If defense lawyers, judges and juries start to routinely entertain the possibility that the DA is lying and the lab is lying too, that's a good thing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-88603194686710633372007-08-01T08:39:00.000-04:002007-08-01T08:39:00.000-04:00Wow! Best post ever! Such a brilliant defense team...Wow! Best post ever! Such a brilliant defense team! Hope these brilliant defenders put out a book soon. I would love to purchase it. Truly fascinating.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-1611181755621883742007-08-01T00:47:00.000-04:002007-08-01T00:47:00.000-04:00" I agree it is shocking the defense attorneys don..." I agree it is shocking the defense attorneys don't understand that DA would cheat to win."<BR/><BR/>It's not that they didn't expect cheating, it's that they didn't expect this particular high-risk low-payoff move to be made. They thought they were dealing with a <B>competent</B> villain.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-1450100171270084252007-08-01T00:38:00.000-04:002007-08-01T00:38:00.000-04:00hman sez:"One of the worst things about Nifongs mi...hman sez:<BR/>"One of the worst things about Nifongs mis-behavior in this episode is that, by getting Meehan to lie about DNA evidence, a hole was created in the public perception that outside labs (and valid scientific evidence in general) can be trusted when someones life is on the line."<BR/><BR/>That's only a bad thing if that trust was deserved in the first place. How often do labs bend the truth for customers? How would we ever know?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-21424921469254578152007-08-01T00:27:00.000-04:002007-08-01T00:27:00.000-04:00Not only is there nothing criminal in Levicy's beh...Not only is there nothing criminal in Levicy's behavior, she still has a nursing license, employed at DUMC and no civil suits. Obviously, neither the NC Board or DUMC agree with the claims made against Levicy. The proof is in the pudding. <BR/>Since Kingsbury's Levicy expose, he has been out of sight. As have the nurses who libeled her character and skills. <BR/>Newport has been out of sight since Brad handed him his head this morning.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-75660397548414024272007-08-01T00:15:00.000-04:002007-08-01T00:15:00.000-04:00Bannon looks good; LS looks Bad.Bannon looks good; LS looks Bad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-50412786847963738942007-08-01T00:03:00.000-04:002007-08-01T00:03:00.000-04:00@ 11:26Are you misinterpreting my two posts at 7:5...@ 11:26<BR/><BR/>Are you misinterpreting my two posts at 7:57 and 10:00 as praising Gaynor?<BR/><BR/>I find the issue of whether he truly had this information months before anyone else completely irrelevant. He asserts that he did and that he failed to notify the defense. If he did not have what he asserts to have had, he has lied. If he did have what he asserts to have had, he helped keep the hoax alive for months. Whichever is the truth, Mr. Gaynor comes across as pretty despicable. <BR/><BR/>JeffMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-29503216247761160512007-08-01T00:02:00.000-04:002007-08-01T00:02:00.000-04:00JLS says....,re: anon 11:08That is a reason to rea...JLS says....,<BR/><BR/>re: <B>anon 11:08</B><BR/><BR/>That is a reason to read. That is not a reason to defend themselves there.<BR/><BR/>re: <B>anon 11:07</B><BR/><BR/>As I have said before the LS board harmed the case of the Duke Lacrosse players by giving skeptics a bunch of idiots to point to. I am still waiting for anyone to come up with something that Levicy did that was criminal or a tort.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-80516462166111421182007-08-01T00:01:00.000-04:002007-08-01T00:01:00.000-04:00Excellent KC! When are you going to bring Kingsber...Excellent KC! <BR/><BR/>When are you going to bring Kingsberry and his famous deposition of Levicy back?<BR/><BR/>Keep up the good work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-13371775774193907842007-07-31T23:26:00.000-04:002007-07-31T23:26:00.000-04:00jeffm at 10If Gaynor had published the information...jeffm at 10<BR/><BR/>If Gaynor had published the information, kc would have read it as he has said before that he has a google alert that he reads basically anything to do with the case. Now it's possible that kc may not get to every article, but Gaynor is not an obscure person, so kc would certainly have read anything he wrote. Especially since Gaynor claims to have written about it several times. I would sure like to see a link to these articles. I've not read one single person who had this information before it was stated by the defense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-88925276393002473352007-07-31T23:08:00.000-04:002007-07-31T23:08:00.000-04:00JLS - "Why in the world would these attorneys stoo...JLS - "Why in the world would these attorneys stoop to defending themselves on the idiot filled LS board????"<BR/><BR/>Perhaps the fact that several of the defense attorneys read L/S daily means they didn't look at it as an 'idiot filled" board. <BR/><BR/>Just like MSM, you weed through the garbage to find the treasures. They've said as much themselves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-58780931546132002352007-07-31T23:07:00.000-04:002007-07-31T23:07:00.000-04:00why the attack on the LS board JLS?maybe because N...why the attack on the LS board JLS?<BR/><BR/>maybe because Newport handed you your ass there?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-40432091712677805282007-07-31T22:44:00.000-04:002007-07-31T22:44:00.000-04:00JLS says....,1. Why in the world would these attor...JLS says....,<BR/><BR/>1. Why in the world would these attorneys stoop to defending themselves on the idiot filled LS board???? They won all the gambles they took. There is nothing more to say. They are crazy to bring themselves down to that level.<BR/><BR/>2. I keep going back and forth whether Nifong hid this evidence in May because he only wanted an indictment to win the primary and did not really plan to see this case through but was trapped by the bar investigation into keeping it going or he is such a PC Dem believing Mangum and willing to do anything to convict? <BR/><BR/>3. I agree it is shocking the defense attorneys don't understand that DA would cheat to win. They really need to read up some on what Bill Anderson and others have written about various cases particularly the day child molestation cases.<BR/><BR/>4. Again as I have said over and over, the Meehan testimony was key to bringing down Nifong. As the attorneys said again in these posts, we already had:<BR/><BR/>A. No party attendee DNA on Mangum or her effects. [Other than the non-exclusion NON-MATCH of Evans DNA from a nail found in his trash can.]<BR/><BR/>B. DNA from another on/in Mangum.<BR/><BR/>C. DNA from other men on Mangum's effects.<BR/><BR/>Adding DNA from other men only marginally adds to doubt about her story. Basically, if you have the boyfriend DNA, no party attendee DNA and the discription of the alleged attack, then you know Mangum is lying. If you persist in believing Mangum despite that, the DNA of more males is not going to convince you. You can not be convinced. <BR/><BR/>But without this hiding evidence it is not clear that Nifong would have been disbarred. I suspect he still would have given the Bar committees recognition about Nifong's statements, fraud and the primary. But it would have been a closer call.<BR/><BR/>5. The two attorneys quoted are NC attorneys. They have had many dealings the the NC legal system and a history of trust. Many of us here don't have any other information about the NC legal system than following this case. So naturally there was and remains suspicion about various decision like not pressing the AG's special prosecutors by not opposing the delay in the February hearing nor Judge Smith to make rulings.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-91433019509711185562007-07-31T22:32:00.000-04:002007-07-31T22:32:00.000-04:00The only thing that surprises me is Brad Bannon qu...The only thing that surprises me is Brad Bannon quoting Kevin Costner in his portrayal of Jim Garrison. Whew!Punditarianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04979719360227114238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-48329406434951162392007-07-31T22:25:00.000-04:002007-07-31T22:25:00.000-04:00I totally respect most of the defense lawyers, but...I totally respect most of the defense lawyers, but were they not paid over three million to ferret out information as part of the defense of their clients?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-65712676724227398102007-07-31T22:15:00.000-04:002007-07-31T22:15:00.000-04:00I'm glad KC posted this, if for one reason only:I ...I'm glad KC posted this, if for <BR/>one reason only:<BR/><BR/>I guess I believe that there's been a<BR/>kind of Slimfast mentality with regard to the pursuit <BR/>of justice in this case in the minds of some posters. <BR/><BR/>My advice? <BR/><BR/>Lesson # 1: If you want to get slim, it ain't fast. <BR/><BR/>Lesson #2: And if you want justice, it ain't fast, either.<BR/><BR/>There was a lot of impatience expressed by some posters, admittedly - <BR/>and that's a normal state in humankind: <BR/>when someone goes to a restaurant, for example, <BR/>and has to wait for their food, <BR/>they don't always see how much work <BR/>goes into the preparation; <BR/>it's easy to assume that someone in the kitchen is slacking. <BR/>The patron may become impatient. It happens.<BR/><BR/>Sometimes there is lethargy, admittedly, and sometimes there is complexity and novelty. <BR/><BR/>Meanwhile, the cooks may be very hard at work.<BR/><BR/>That goes for the prosecution of key elements <BR/>and figures in this case: <BR/>it doesn't mean it won't <BR/>happen; it means that the cooks <BR/>have to prepare the menu, one ingredient at a time. <BR/><BR/>If you cook with leftovers,<BR/>it may be different, but the attorneys involved in this <BR/>case had to break new ground -<BR/>such as having a DA and Lab expert<BR/>collaborate upon a lie. <BR/> <BR/>New territory, new recipe: no <BR/>leftovers - (except for Miss Samples' many samples.)<BR/><BR/>Patience was in order, and the need for patience <BR/>will continue to be neccessary as the case winds up - <BR/>not down as some suppose.<BR/><BR/>It will likely be a hot September/October/November for<BR/>many of the Hoaxters.<BR/>And Santa will not be happy with<BR/>some of them come December 25.machttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14248016116043347912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-29234396608146077162007-07-31T22:00:00.000-04:002007-07-31T22:00:00.000-04:00@ 9:39Gaynor may have published it on his blog or ...@ 9:39<BR/><BR/>Gaynor may have published it on his blog or anywhere else, but he admits he did nothing to get it where it was needed. Sounds to me as though he was more part of the problem than of the solution.<BR/><BR/>I find the idea that the defense lawyers did a poor job ridiculous. And I find the idea that they were deliberately running the meter offensive. <BR/><BR/>JeffMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-9595260305755949552007-07-31T21:58:00.000-04:002007-07-31T21:58:00.000-04:00Mr. Gaynor's response is incredible! Is he conside...Mr. Gaynor's response is incredible! Is he considered an officer of the court? If so, could he justify the lies Nifong was saying and keep his mouth shut? How about the people Gaynor notified? And why did someone close to this case tell Gaynor and not the defense? Why did Gaynor not ask the person to notify the defense or at least release him from his pledge of secrecy? I want to take people at their word, but some days it's hard.<BR/><BR/>Mr. Gaynor's response really poses more doubts about everything he says.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com