tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post6784392715096734986..comments2024-02-24T05:19:10.949-05:00Comments on Durham-in-Wonderland: Some Swaggerers Are More Equal Than Otherskcjohnson9http://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-21410249329077929032009-04-09T15:18:00.000-04:002009-04-09T15:18:00.000-04:00Dr. Hull:Keep fighting the good fight - one has to...Dr. Hull:<BR/><BR/>Keep fighting the good fight - one has to believe that in the end, truth and honesty will prevail. One can only hope to see it in one's lifetime.<BR/>cksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-78728692271137943882009-04-08T15:30:00.000-04:002009-04-08T15:30:00.000-04:00To Dr. Hull:I am glad that one or two administrato...To Dr. Hull:<BR/><BR/>I am glad that one or two administrators have come to your defense (at least all is not lost). Those who have condemned you or tried to have you kicked out ought to be ashamed.<BR/><BR/>There are many posting here who hold you in high regard. Hopefully, that dulls some of the hostility you have received from those you work with. <BR/><BR/> <BR/>To Debrah:<BR/><BR/>I did see where Dr. Hull had put the word offensive in quotes but I wasn't exactly sure what he meant. His response answered my question (it's sad that his fellow colleagues feel threatened by a difference of opinion).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-20889470086685026962009-04-08T12:10:00.000-04:002009-04-08T12:10:00.000-04:00TO (9:35 AM)--He already said that he has.Beginnin...TO (9:35 AM)--<BR/><BR/>He already said that he has.<BR/><BR/>Beginning when he and Ken Larrey organized the lecture by KC in September of 2007.Debrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04567454727276881424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-61755147434885149932009-04-08T12:00:00.000-04:002009-04-08T12:00:00.000-04:00Anonymous said..."The more I read about (and from)...Anonymous said...<BR/><BR/>"The more I read about (and from) Professor Hull the more I like."<BR/><BR/>Thank you.<BR/><BR/>"I'd be curious to know if he has met any resistance from the Duke administration or his fellow colleagues concerning his publications and ideology."<BR/><BR/>"Resistance"? How about hostility, condemnation, and attempts to kick me out of Duke -- some of which have been chronicled, others not. To be fair, there are one or two administrators who have come to my defense. They are the ones who believe that a university should educate (as opposed to propagandize), and who seem respect intellectual diversity. Tragically, they are in the minority. <BR/><BR/>Gary Hull, Ph.D.<BR/>Director<BR/>Program on Values and Ethics<BR/> in the Marketplace<BR/>Duke UniversityAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-71407613674634303692009-04-08T09:35:00.000-04:002009-04-08T09:35:00.000-04:00The more I read about (and from) Professor Hull th...The more I read about (and from) Professor Hull the more I like. <BR/><BR/>I'd be curious to know if he has met any resistance from the Duke administration or his fellow colleagues concerning his publications and ideology.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-49467996684292399042009-04-07T14:59:00.000-04:002009-04-07T14:59:00.000-04:00Anon. 4:49Thanks for the link to the Hull essay. ...Anon. 4:49<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the link to the Hull essay. It was a great read - and he is correct on all points. At the school at which I teach we no longer have honor assemblies at the end of each quarter to recognize those individuals who have achieved first (all A's) or second (A's and B's) honors because it would discourage those who have worked hard but have not been academically successful enough to make honors. Just one more example that illustrates Dr. Hull's point.<BR/>cksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-12757357942763693752009-04-06T16:49:00.000-04:002009-04-06T16:49:00.000-04:00One Spook said at 6:08 PM, 4/4/09... Some of yo...One Spook said at 6:08 PM, 4/4/09...<BR/><BR/><I> Some of you might not have noticed Dr. Gary Hull before. He is the Director of the Program on Values and Ethics in the Marketplace at Duke University. He is a giant oak amidst a sea of noxious weeds at Duke....<BR/><BR/> His personal home page is here, at this URL: http://www.duke.edu/~hull/<BR/><BR/> One of Dr. Hull's Op-eds at that page, Diversity and Multiculturalism: The New Racism is an outstanding read.<BR/></I><BR/><BR/>I like <A HREF="http://www.duke.edu/~hull/pdf/Egalitarianism.pdf" REL="nofollow">this Hull essay</A> even better.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-76676084370794059072009-04-06T15:39:00.000-04:002009-04-06T15:39:00.000-04:00At least your stalker done sign her name, Diva!At least your stalker done sign her name, Diva!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-34969766631540248552009-04-05T20:12:00.000-04:002009-04-05T20:12:00.000-04:00Something funny was found on the blog BlueNC---alb...Something funny was found on the blog BlueNC---albeit too late for me to have a successful "give and take" with the commenter---from a few months ago when our dear Melody Ivins was making her rounds defending her good friend Tyson.<BR/><BR/>Talk about rabid. Melody Ivins should be hired as a spokesperson for the Gang of 88. She spent this same evening searching Diva YouTube videos in order to leave smutty comments.<BR/><BR/>This is typical Gang of 88 behavior on display----hide and attack......attack and hide.<BR/><BR/>LOL!<BR/><BR/><BR/>*****************************<BR/><BR/><I>Has anyone ever heard of a local "Debrah Correll"? I was beginning a blog about author Tim Tyson's upcoming appearance in Winston Salem--ran across some interesting comments from her in a N&O blog http://blogsarchive.newsobserver.com/zane/index.php?title=tim_tyson_revi...<BR/>:) Just curious. BTW I have never seen Tyson speak and havent yet read Blood Done Sign My Name.<BR/>Leigh</I><BR/> <BR/><BR/><BR/><I>Submitted by MelodyLynn on Sat, 02/07/2009 - 8:33pm.<BR/><BR/>Debrah is part of a small and determined group of Tyson-haters who devote a lot of time and energy to trashing him every time his name appears in the press. They take violent exception to remarks he made during the Duke Lacrosse case, and apparently think that if they say enough nasty things about him we will too. Debrah imagines herself a wit and a writer. Her blog, Diva World, is, well, probably much more than most people would ever want to know about her. If she weren't so smugly vicious I'd feel sorry for her.</I>Debrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04567454727276881424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-51172218252955959952009-04-05T18:28:00.000-04:002009-04-05T18:28:00.000-04:00Banality elevated to an art form.<A HREF="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-e-coleman-jr/one-system-two-realities_b_183030.html" REL="nofollow">Banality</A> elevated to an art form.Debrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04567454727276881424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-84222297190048033092009-04-05T17:19:00.000-04:002009-04-05T17:19:00.000-04:00The article on Tyson at the Methodist conference f...The article on Tyson at the Methodist conference from December 2005 from "Panacea" is one I've never seen before.<BR/><BR/>And we've all seen our share of articles about this sordid character.<BR/><BR/>What stands out first is that orange shirt with the brown jacket. <BR/><BR/>Preachers can be racey!<BR/><BR/>In December 2005 Tyson must have been on a roll. Imagine how feverish with excitement he was when the Hoax first became news the following Spring.<BR/><BR/>Timmy needs to find another line from the Scripture for a new book.<BR/><BR/>"Mikey and Us Done Sign Our Names"<BR/><BR/><BR/>Notice the language Tyson uses when talking with other preachers, who, themselves, live for this emotional stuff.<BR/><BR/>He talks about his "Diddy" as a liberal minister who did not actively participate in the civil rights movement of the '60s when it was its most heated.<BR/><BR/>Wonder why a self-described "Eleanor Roosevelt Democrat" like Diddy Tyson wasn't moved to become active until he and his son decided to use their story for decades and make money off it.<BR/><BR/>Notice how Tyson only uses quotes from the prosecutor when he tells his story.<BR/><BR/>Notice that he didn't tell the ministers at that conference that the unfortunate victim used unfortunate judgment by asking another man's wife the obscene question:<BR/><BR/>"Do you want to f***?"<BR/><BR/>Notice that Tyson never brings up the evidence that the victim came at his assailants with a knife.<BR/><BR/>I'm glad that this was brought to my attention as it shows that Tyson is a serial fabricator.<BR/><BR/>Whatever happened among those people all those decades ago is most unfortunate; however, when telling any such story Tyson would do well to give his preacher friends the panoramic view.<BR/><BR/>It's so much more <I>godly</I>.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps in light of the evidence, there were myriad reasons why the jury acquiited the accused in Tyson's tale.<BR/><BR/>If Tyson wants to show that his subjects were "racists", then fine.<BR/><BR/>But he should not be allowed to push such a tale without people knowing its origin and the full story.<BR/><BR/>Tyson must be going through a dry spell lately since his "big book" on the rape of a "hardworking black student and mother" didn't pan out for him.Debrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04567454727276881424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-53720174496538500382009-04-05T15:55:00.000-04:002009-04-05T15:55:00.000-04:00Both Debrah and GP have nailed it,The United Metho...Both Debrah and GP have nailed it,<BR/><BR/>The United Methodist Churches already sponsors <A HREF="http://www.umc.org/site/c.gjJTJbMUIuE/b.1252551/k.E451/Author_leads_pastors_in_dialogue_on_race_civil_right.htm" REL="nofollow">this</A> type of group studies. <BR/><A HREF="http://www.newsobserver.com/105/story/1076620-p2.html" REL="nofollow">Here</A> where Tim Tyson stated "he hopes to convert people through his course. If he teaches it for five years, he said, "we'll have more than a thousand people who have gone through this same experience,who have the same cultural and historical grounding for understanding the world.A thousand crazy people can change the world."<BR/> <BR/>OMG! A thousand more crazy people being taught more of <A HREF="http://timothybtyson.com/" REL="nofollow">Tim Tyson lies.</A><BR/> <BR/>I am sure Tim will convince Crystal, he's the one to spread the word.Panaceahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02950768996271184024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-31260750096581838102009-04-05T14:50:00.000-04:002009-04-05T14:50:00.000-04:00I have no idea of the lacrosse players are "uppity...I have no idea of the lacrosse players are "uppity," although I never have detected that from my association with them and their families. However, I can say that they are honest, which is much more than one can say for the hierarchy of the administration and faculty at Duke University, and certainly more honest than the political hierarchy of Durham. For that matter, can anyone say that honest people run the Durham County DA's office?<BR/><BR/>Is there anyone more "uppity" and self-indulgent than John Burness or Richard Brodhead or Karla Holloway? Is there anyone more nasty or arrogant than Houston Baker? So, let us put things into perspective here.bill andersonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-49039414489039419802009-04-05T13:44:00.000-04:002009-04-05T13:44:00.000-04:00Perhaps the problem with the Lacrosse players is t...Perhaps the problem with the Lacrosse players is that they were "uppity".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-48707368333638613282009-04-05T12:26:00.000-04:002009-04-05T12:26:00.000-04:00Yes, GP.I'm sure that someone from the Gang of 88 ...Yes, GP.<BR/><BR/>I'm sure that someone from the Gang of 88 or mascot Tyson will try to get out the "real story".<BR/><BR/>Because as we know......"She was somebody's daughter, and somebody's sister, and somebody's mother, and somebody's sweetheart....."<BR/><BR/>**************<BR/><BR/>Another sunny Sunday and what I find in the news is not very interesting, locally or nationally.<BR/><BR/>I started to paste an article from the H-S but it was too long.<BR/><BR/>It was a detailed account of a SC man who is now 66 years old who had been a lifelong racist and overall bad guy.<BR/><BR/>No need for more details.<BR/><BR/>We've all read this stuff ad nauseum.<BR/><BR/>Now he's a changed man and is going about apologizing for his past deeds....blah, blah, blah.....<BR/><BR/>......yada, yada, yada.<BR/><BR/>I am no longer moved by such tired tales and wish some of these people would keep their issues to themselves.<BR/><BR/>Change for the good. <BR/><BR/>Great!<BR/><BR/>Apologize to people if you've done something to harm them.<BR/><BR/>Just cease making this a "big news story".<BR/><BR/>Frankly, I see very little difference in the deliberately harmful black racists of today like the Gang of 88 and what we know of the old KKK tales.<BR/><BR/>The media and those with a race agenda are now working overtime in order to cook up any issue they can because, in reality, their issues do not exist in the year 2009.<BR/><BR/>Ditzy ideas like "Two Nations" are concocted because these people so badly need it to be true.<BR/><BR/>I am reminded of Reade Seligmann's moving account of how he was treated by the people who owned and ran a restaurant near Duke's campus where he had been a regular customer.<BR/><BR/>After the false charges were brought against the guys, not only were they tormented on campus, but in area establishments.<BR/><BR/>The restaurant proprietors, who were black, shunned him and wouldn't have anything to do with him.<BR/><BR/>These were people with whom he had previously had a very warm relationship as he was a regular at their place.<BR/><BR/>With no evidence of guilt at all, so many like those people behaved that way.<BR/><BR/>A self-indulgent and psychologically harmful way to treat any young person.<BR/><BR/>I wonder if Reade, Collin, and David should do as people like the late John Hope Franklin and others have done who use every slight they've ever experienced as a ticket for a story and a paycheck.<BR/><BR/>Keeping the hype going until the lacrosse players have grandchildren to whom they can pass down their "grievances".<BR/><BR/>Seriously, if I were a black person in America in the year 2009, I'd be doing a lot of soul-searching.<BR/><BR/>And not of the Motown variety.Debrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04567454727276881424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-69590967917124252752009-04-05T11:22:00.000-04:002009-04-05T11:22:00.000-04:00Debrah 4/4/09 said......Just received a tip that "...Debrah 4/4/09 said...<BR/><BR/>...Just received a tip that "Dr." Timothy Tyson will be holding one of his classes at a church in Chapel Hill Sunday morning.<BR/>::<BR/>Yes, at the Amity United Methodist Church where, I would imagine, we will slowly begin to see the closing of the gap between the United Methodist Church and the United Methodist Affiliated Universities.<BR/><BR/>Will they become a single entity?<BR/><BR/>Should we expect forthcoming publications for the humanities professors to include liturgical publications for use by the United Methodist Church?<BR/><BR/>Will AABlack United Methodist Churches sponsor book study groups using Crystal's new book with a Duke professor facilitating the discussion?<BR/>::<BR/>GPGary Packwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05177986821224068759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-54742842922991233752009-04-05T05:37:00.000-04:002009-04-05T05:37:00.000-04:00AAAAARRRRRRHHHH, no swagger for you, only swagger ...AAAAARRRRRRHHHH, no swagger for you, only swagger for me, mate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-17457645738093851342009-04-04T19:54:00.000-04:002009-04-04T19:54:00.000-04:00Dear Dr. Hull:You are a man of courage - rare in t...Dear Dr. Hull:<BR/><BR/>You are a man of courage - rare in the halls of academe these days.<BR/>One would hope that the sentiments you express are shared by a majority of your more timid colleagues.<BR/>cksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-2266757837657348012009-04-04T18:08:00.000-04:002009-04-04T18:08:00.000-04:00Some of you might not have noticed Dr. Gary Hull b...Some of you might not have noticed Dr. Gary Hull before. He is the Director of the Program on Values and Ethics in the Marketplace at Duke University. He is a giant oak amidst a sea of noxious weeds at Duke.<BR/><BR/>I believe he has commented on this Blog in the past. He has also commented in the Duke <I>Chronicle</I> and other venues with respect to the events in the Duke lacrosse hoax.<BR/><BR/>At all times, his opinions have been respectful, erudite, cogent, and might I add, ethical. His views have advocated for the due process rights of students, including the Duke lacrosse players, and he has made comments relative to the lack of ethical behavior of faculty.<BR/><BR/>I believe he has promoted the values many of us support in following this Blog.<BR/><BR/>His personal home page is <A HREF="http://www.duke.edu/~hull/" REL="nofollow">here</A>, at this URL: http://www.duke.edu/~hull/<BR/><BR/>One of Dr. Hull's Op-eds at that page, <I>Diversity and Multiculturalism: The New Racism</I> is an outstanding read.<BR/><BR/>Thank you for your contributions, Dr. Hull.<BR/><BR/>One SpookOne Spookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592774438681904368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-85845042050589159272009-04-04T16:05:00.000-04:002009-04-04T16:05:00.000-04:00Dear Professor Hull,If I were a student at Duke I ...Dear Professor Hull,<BR/><BR/>If I were a student at Duke I would consider it a privilege to take one of your courses.<BR/><BR/>http://www.vem.duke.edu/index.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-58718531523008768252009-04-04T15:27:00.000-04:002009-04-04T15:27:00.000-04:00Dr. Hull's publications strongly reject the 'knowl...Dr. Hull's publications strongly reject the 'knowledge' of the PC Crowd. For example:<BR/><BR/>http://www.duke.edu/~hull/pdf/Tribalism.pdf<BR/><BR/>http://www.duke.edu/~hull/pdf/diversity_and_multiculturalism.pdf<BR/><BR/>Very cogent and incisive portraits of the reality of tribalism (Million Woman March, "Sisters Healing Sisters"), diversity and multiculturalism.A Duke Dadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-3982659056993603822009-04-04T12:16:00.000-04:002009-04-04T12:16:00.000-04:00Anon 9:35 said:Now prepare to go to DEFCON 5...DEF...Anon 9:35 said:<BR/><BR/><I>Now prepare to go to DEFCON 5...</I><BR/><BR/><BR/>DEFCON 5 is peacetime protocol, DEFCON 1 is expectation of imminent attack. Dr Hull may need to go to DEFCON .00001. ;>)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-7036909136789943792009-04-04T11:37:00.000-04:002009-04-04T11:37:00.000-04:00ES Duke 1990 wrote:"Dr. Hull,Thank you for your co...ES Duke 1990 wrote:<BR/><BR/>"Dr. Hull,<BR/><BR/>Thank you for your courageous comments.<BR/><BR/>My advice is that you start wearing kevlar underpants, because the Klan of 88 probably is going to start their offensive against you any minute..."<BR/><BR/>You're welcome.<BR/><BR/>Actually, their "offensive" started in September 2007, right after my program hosted K.C.'s talk at Duke.<BR/><BR/>Gary HullAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-21200671709986845442009-04-04T11:35:00.000-04:002009-04-04T11:35:00.000-04:00I want Brodhead to sit "anywhere" except in the Pr...I want Brodhead to sit "anywhere" except in the President's chair at Duke University. Not only does he repeatedly demonstrate managerial incompetence, but, also, he is socially inept.<BR/><BR/>Talk about arrogance? Plop yourself down among those you have harmed without cause, accusing their children of aacting privileged, and then claim that you really are privileged because of your title.<BR/><BR/>What an ass.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-33663451548044446122009-04-04T11:21:00.001-04:002009-04-04T11:21:00.001-04:00Try to build a mental image of a swagger.It seems ...Try to build a mental image of a swagger.<BR/>It seems to be, "suck your stomach in, put your shoulders back, hold your head high".<BR/>So what posture are these athletes to assume to make their detractors happy?<BR/>My guess, "Pot those bellies out, stoop those shoulders, look at your feet".<BR/>Subservience is definitely what is required by the "Intellectual Masters".<BR/><BR/>North of DetroitAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com