tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post6833042564199426871..comments2024-02-24T05:19:10.949-05:00Comments on Durham-in-Wonderland: (Some) Good Things Did Happen in Durhamkcjohnson9http://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-27380913600334425982007-10-04T14:57:00.000-04:002007-10-04T14:57:00.000-04:00"One riot, one Ranger."Well done KC."One riot, one Ranger."<BR/><BR/>Well done KC.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-32483659327096953832007-10-04T08:59:00.000-04:002007-10-04T08:59:00.000-04:00Don't forget Coach K. I really appreciated what h...Don't forget Coach K. I really appreciated what he said and when he said it--ie, we are in the kid business...<BR/>He seemed to be criticizing the Duke administration's response without coming right out and saying that. Given his position i thought his remarks were perfectly crafted. And I think he spoke to the team--but I could be wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-8915699614401909822007-10-03T15:52:00.000-04:002007-10-03T15:52:00.000-04:00Why Not Peter Lange?KC, You are the best. My only ...Why Not Peter Lange?<BR/><BR/>KC, You are the best. My only complaint is you decreased my productivity at work as I apent so much time on DIW!<BR/><BR/>Doesn't Peter Lange deserve to be on this list. He wasn't perfect (he had a role in naming the members of the CCI) but he stood up to the potbangers when they stood screaming outside his house. His response, captured on Youtube, was a demonstration of how all of the administration could/should have acted. Finally Lange's public response to Houston Baker, for which he was called a racist by a leading African-american professors group, was a real profile in courage.<BR/><BR/>I have been critical of Lange before. He was involved in hiring some of these loony professors. But in this case he stepped up big big time.<BR/><BR/>Charles K. Bobrinskoy T 81Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-57045500776677751562007-10-03T15:48:00.000-04:002007-10-03T15:48:00.000-04:00Thank you will never be enough for what KC has don...Thank you will never be enough for what KC has done.Debrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04567454727276881424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-9118705983569439612007-10-03T15:41:00.000-04:002007-10-03T15:41:00.000-04:00I certainly agree with your picks, and also agree ...I certainly agree with your picks, and also agree that you left yourself off the list, but that's what I've come to expect. Classic understatement! The proof is in the pudding, so to speak--no one can refute the facts, so they attack with "nasty bloggers" and start name-calling!<BR/> <BR/>And the good guy cab driver (whose name I won't try to spell or bother to look up) who did the right thing, not the easy thing. And the attorney who went to bat for him when he needed it (the name's in the book, but I'm at work now).<BR/><BR/>As an aside, I have the Ken Burns WWII series recorded--gotta go watch it as soon as the blogs slow down!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-73578616205767000662007-10-03T14:25:00.000-04:002007-10-03T14:25:00.000-04:00Thank you doesn't seem like enough for the informa...Thank you doesn't seem like enough for the information you provided on this blog and in your book.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-35924140966907635492007-10-03T13:47:00.000-04:002007-10-03T13:47:00.000-04:00KC,You have been the first thing I read in the mor...KC,<BR/><BR/>You have been the first thing I read in the morning, and the last thing and night--and often in between. You have demonstrated what a scholar should be--follow the facts no matter where they lead. I am honored to have met you, privileged to have read your book, and honored to have been allowed along for the ride. You were a rare beacon of light over a year ago, along with Bill Anderson, Joan Foster, LaShawn Barber, Dan Abrams, the Liestoppers crew, Jason Trumpbour, and pitifully few others. Enjoy Israel.--BuddyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-1321363877662468882007-10-03T12:31:00.000-04:002007-10-03T12:31:00.000-04:00Many thanks to Lane Williamson for his decisive ha...Many thanks to Lane Williamson for his decisive handling of Nifong...and for his biting wit.<BR/><BR/>Many thanks to James Coleman for always being fair and a gentleman...upholding the integrity of his profession when most others did not.<BR/><BR/>Jason Trumpbour contributed greatly, especially in the early months of this case. His website and his comments in the local papers were very informative long before some of us found KC.<BR/><BR/>Coach Kimmel was a true prize.Debrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04567454727276881424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-73929673248248159182007-10-03T12:11:00.000-04:002007-10-03T12:11:00.000-04:00KC --I'm not sure what Michael Munger has done to ...KC --<BR/><BR/>I'm not sure what Michael Munger has done to earn him so high a place. In fact, until you mentioned him just now, I had never even heard the name. Googling to find out didn't really give me confidence -- not only did he <A HREF="http://munger4ncgov.blogspot.com/2006/12/lacrosse.html" REL="nofollow">state in December 2006</A> that the underage drinking, the hiring of the strippers, and the alleged racial epithets would <I>of themselves</I> justify firing the coach and suspending the team (hadn't Kim Roberts already admitted by then on <I>60 Minutes</I> that she initiated the only exchange of racial epithets that night?) but specifically opined "That sort of thing would NEVER have happened on Duke's basketball team, for example." Well, we had a <A HREF="http://www.newsobserver.com/1185/story/426963.html baseball" REL="nofollow">first-hand account</A> in April 2006 of the baseball team hiring strippers on multiple occasions, and Bill Anderson <A HREF="http://www.lewrockwell.com/anderson/anderson148.html" REL="nofollow">has said</A> that a source "close to the situation" said that yes, the basketball team had also hired strippers for a party -- less than two weeks before the lacrosse players. I am honestly wondering whether we are so short of heroes that Munger really merits to take a place beside Gustafson and Baldwin.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-41207028553112773092007-10-03T11:50:00.000-04:002007-10-03T11:50:00.000-04:00KCWhat a magnificent demonstration you have given ...KC<BR/><BR/>What a magnificent demonstration you have given us of all the academic, scholarly and pedagogical Virtues. It is truly wonderful to see a High Adept in action and functioning.<BR/><BR/>You did it for three young men horribly, treacherouly used. And also to correct the violation of teacher/student duty. Motive doesn't get any purer than that.<BR/><BR/>You are, in fact, a Mensch. A decent person.<BR/><BR/>Mazel tov!<BR/><BR/>Ciao professore.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-64600608934572775722007-10-03T11:48:00.000-04:002007-10-03T11:48:00.000-04:00I for one, do not beleive that the Duke case is an...I for one, do not beleive that the Duke case is an isolated instance. I hope that the entire tale of conspiracy is exposed with ALL the players.<BR/><BR/>Why did these criminal acts go unchallenged? Because it was simply business as usual. Their way of doing things had never been challenged in the past, they had no reason to think it would EVER be challenged. They were not above the law --- they were the law.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-15145761428648322042007-10-03T11:30:00.000-04:002007-10-03T11:30:00.000-04:00Many "who blindly accepted the carictures of the t...Many "who blindly accepted the carictures of the team" put forth in the media were themselves instrumental in creating the image of the lacrosse team which was put forward to the world by the mainstream media. This did not happen by accident. This "caricature" was just one of many such bigoted caricatures preassembled, nurtured, and ready for use by certain so-called academics at Duke. These people have made a study of language and how it is structured and have long since created a vocabulary suited to their own language. They have noticed how people use and store and learn words, and they have created a lexicon of their own and used it to caricature others for their own purposes whether for politics or power or to indoctinate, but hardly to educate or inform. In effect, they have created their own language . . . crated their own personal knowledge of vocabulary . . . and established their own lexicon. Their efforts affect and infect their departments, colleges and universities where they teach and the students whom they have taught, and it is very much a part the knowledge and world view and vocablary of the Fourth Estate, so much so, that the media have a difficult time dealing with any reality that does not conform to the narrative that these academics have developed and put in place to review or see or describe the world reality they think that they are experiencing at any gioven time. To these people the reality in front of them " . . . does not compute." As was said in Durham, "It's not about the truth . . . .," or to paraphrase a once popular song, "What's truth (sic) got to do with it . . . . " What thes people fail to realize is this manipulation of language can be used against them, and at the end of this charade, ordinary people suffered from an arrogant tyranny of word bigots.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-32799655773869470652007-10-03T11:10:00.000-04:002007-10-03T11:10:00.000-04:00I think Bob Harris deserves a hat tip as well."Thi...I think Bob Harris deserves a hat tip as well.<BR/><BR/>"This isn't about Duke," Nifong said. "This isn't about Duke at all." <BR/><BR/>"No," Harris said. "It's about honesty. You're not honest."<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your dedication and honesty, KC. As a Duke alum, some of your posts felt like a trip to the dentist - but at least now I have better, cleaner teeth. <BR/><BR/>Duke84Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-91330347158842459712007-10-03T11:01:00.000-04:002007-10-03T11:01:00.000-04:00I hope this blog is copied to a CD and sold, or ot...I hope this blog is copied to a CD and sold, or otherwise made available, perhaps in conjunction with UPI. High schools, colleges, law schools, journalism programs and news organizations around the country would benefit from reading UPI and following the blog. In a time when cynicism, sarcasm, political correctness and apathy are so prevalent, DIW and UPI are examples of how important thougtfulness and critical thinking are, and of how one person joined by others many of whom are listed above can make a significant contribution to the community by thinking and writing clearly. Readers of this blog and of UPI have learned a great deal. I hope that the same opportunity will be available to others in the future, something that can happen if this blog and UPI are packaged together and turned into teaching materials that will be widely available. My hat is off to all the people listed above who kept their heads and did the right thing under extraordinary circumstances at no small risk of incurring the crowd's wrath. Thanks to Stuart Taylor, co-author of UPI. For my money Stuart has been the best writer in the country on legal affairs for a long time. And as for KC, wow!! How you did this, why you did this, what impact did this have on your life?.....these are questions that are part of a story that as far as I know has yet to be told. There is much to be learned from your story. I hope DIW will stay on line for a while to allow time for people to copy it. Many thanks KC for terrific reporting and moderating.W. R. Chambershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10827973470339715021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-56356598096454424012007-10-03T10:58:00.000-04:002007-10-03T10:58:00.000-04:00Gary Packwood says:Burn's film is the only compreh...Gary Packwood says:<BR/><BR/><I><BR/>Burn's film is the only comprehensive study I have ever seen about WW II and like UPI, it opened my eyes to realities I should have already known about.<BR/></I><BR/><BR/>I think that the overriding message KC has conveyed is that you must look at these things from both (all) sides before making any judgment. While I have not seen Burn's film, I strongly suspect it explores the American point of view. One would do well to read something like Lost Victories to provide a different PoV.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-82724655636240771162007-10-03T10:45:00.000-04:002007-10-03T10:45:00.000-04:00Hmmmm.@ KCI want to thank you for your role in thi...Hmmmm.<BR/><BR/>@ KC<BR/><BR/>I want to thank you for your role in this national disgrace of our justice system. I seriously believe that, without you and the other bloggers, this case would've ended up precisely as Nifong had hoped.<BR/><BR/>A springboard into elective office and life in prison for 3 innocent young men.<BR/><BR/>Well done sir!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-74645359396454457752007-10-03T10:19:00.000-04:002007-10-03T10:19:00.000-04:00KCYou have demonstrated that one person of integri...KC<BR/>You have demonstrated that one person of integrity can defeat overwhelming destructive forces.<BR/>Thank you.<BR/>DAAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-40655340622948948322007-10-03T10:12:00.000-04:002007-10-03T10:12:00.000-04:00It seems like we may have forgotten the people who...It seems like we may have forgotten the people who were most involved in this mess. What about the behavior of the 3 falsely accused men and their teammates who were savaged in the media?<BR/><BR/>The incredible restraint and the grace with which they handled the lies and smear campaign directed against them was truly remarkable.<BR/><BR/>Of course KC's work spreading the truth and exposing hypocrisy was incredible as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-28937424015735708182007-10-03T10:07:00.000-04:002007-10-03T10:07:00.000-04:00K.C.: I still cannot figure out how you had the en...K.C.: I still cannot figure out how you had the energy to hold down a full time job and accomplish what you did with both DIW and UPI (not to mention the speaking appearance). Whatever was your energy source, thank you for what you did. Those of us who have followed DIW, read UPI and listened to you speak have much to thank you for.<BR/><BR/>C. Thomas Kunz<BR/>Durham and New YorkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-33119109518461519962007-10-03T09:53:00.000-04:002007-10-03T09:53:00.000-04:00No justice, no peace 6:51 said... ...The closing s...No justice, no peace 6:51 said... <BR/><BR/>...The closing segment of Ken Burn's War film aired last night.<BR/>::<BR/>Let me chime in here and offer support for your comments about Ken Burn's film ...The War.<BR/><BR/>This film along with KC's book would be the perfect gift for a family. Think Christmas or a Birthday.<BR/><BR/>http://www.pbs.org/thewar/<BR/><BR/>Burn's film is the only comprehensive study I have ever seen about WW II and like UPI, it opened my eyes to realities I should have already known about. <BR/><BR/>I highly recommend.<BR/>::<BR/>GPGary Packwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05177986821224068759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-72520944962651632692007-10-03T09:51:00.000-04:002007-10-03T09:51:00.000-04:00An absolutely beautiful way to bring the daily pos...An absolutely beautiful way to bring the daily postings to a close. And a fond bon voyage to our most honorable and beloved professor and friend who so skillfully and diligently illuminated the case details for us, the world, and posterity and who played such a pivotal role himself in the slow miracle we have witnessed over the past 18 months. Your understanding and timing throughout have been impeccable...indeed it seems providence prepared you precisely for "just such a time as this." (Esther 4:14--BA and Mac will like this) <BR/><BR/>If you are not familiar with the work of Karen Armstrong, another historian I very much admire, you might want to pick up a few of her books for your trip--"The Battle for God," "A History of God," "Jerusalem, One City, Three Faiths," and, only after you have read some of her scholarly work, "The Spiral Staircase," the story of her own spiritual journey. <BR/><BR/>Thank you for being our reasoned guide on this topsy-turvy odyssey down the rabbit hole where bizarre events set in motion at many levels by varying degrees of sheer dishonesty carried such far reaching implications for the citizens of this country (three in particular) and our collective responsibility to ensure "liberty and justice for all." <BR/><BR/>To KC Johnson and all those here in the peanut gallery, peace, grace, and blessings upon your house. <BR/><BR/>ObserverAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-70378323275494740132007-10-03T09:45:00.001-04:002007-10-03T09:45:00.001-04:00KC,You have truly changed my life. I will never l...KC,<BR/>You have truly changed my life. I will never look at the world the same way as before DIW. My eyes are open to things I never saw, and I will change the way I live and the way I raise my children because of you. Godspeed. <BR/>Raleigh MomAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-11004335061365343992007-10-03T09:45:00.000-04:002007-10-03T09:45:00.000-04:00As the blog comes to a close, instead of closing d...As the blog comes to a close, instead of closing down why not have Guest Bloggers? I, for one, would like to see more Michael J. Gaynor. After all, he did have info on the unreported DNA as early as June, 2006. Also, Bill Anderson would be able to contribute, as well as Stuart Taylor from time to time. And you can still contribute as time allows. Just a thought.<BR/><BR/>DGAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-44183091830727578922007-10-03T09:42:00.000-04:002007-10-03T09:42:00.000-04:00Truly historical. For generations to come this ca...Truly historical. For generations to come this case will be discussed. It is the bedrock of what this country is founded on. Good did eventually triumph over evil. What I still don't understand is how Duke can really think that all those professors of the Duke 88 who were caught in the act of racism, and their agenda driven politics should still be on the payroll teaching impressionable young men and women hate, and disregard for the constitution and civil liberties and rights. The Board of Trustees obviously think money is more important than values, integrity and honesty. With the recent information that the Mayor met with the DPD prior to the rigged lineup and this information was never divulged to the Attorney General or the courts makes the Mayor look like an accomplice to the misdeeds of the DPD. Why would so many officers risk their pensions unless they had orders from high up to do so. They mayor of Durham should be investigated. Durham better settle soon and offer more than the $30 million as it looks like the can of worms has just been opened.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-66963427593493214752007-10-03T09:26:00.000-04:002007-10-03T09:26:00.000-04:00KC wrote"The Duke law professor [Coleman] chaired ...KC wrote<BR/><BR/>"The Duke law professor [Coleman] chaired a fair inquiry into the lacrosse team’s behavior."<BR/><BR/>How about a university-sponsored inquiry into the G88's behavior? Why do the innocent (lacrosse players) get put through a proctology exam, but the guilty (G88 et al.) get heaped with academic prizes?<BR/><BR/>Duke ProfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com