tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post7425303950550794686..comments2024-02-24T05:19:10.949-05:00Comments on Durham-in-Wonderland: Seligmann in Brown Daily Heraldkcjohnson9http://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comBlogger77125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-1241658658206078012007-07-17T13:51:00.000-04:002007-07-17T13:51:00.000-04:00Check out the portrait of Nifong as victim at the ...Check out the portrait of Nifong as victim at the "Leave the Man Alone" blog<BR/>http://www.leavethemanalone.com/search?q=<BR/><BR/>- July 16 post. The "man" seems to think Nifong was disbarred because he called some lacrosse players a bad name.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-69406652944536024922007-07-17T10:00:00.000-04:002007-07-17T10:00:00.000-04:00Forgot to preview. Trying again."Udekwu if you ar...Forgot to preview. Trying again.<BR/><BR/>"Udekwu if you are going to make a stand for or against Reade don't be ambiguous, show a little courage and state exactly why you quit."<BR/><BR/>I can't blame him for being ambiguous when it might be Woo's fault.<BR/><BR/>I suspect his lack of response is not an issue of "courage" but of not knowing/caring what we here think.<BR/><BR/>Why he quit the team, if not related to Seligman, is not our business.<BR/><BR/>However, I agree that to the extent he cares about his reputation here it's in his interest to clarify.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-25925755139241959072007-07-17T09:57:00.000-04:002007-07-17T09:57:00.000-04:00"Udekwu if you are going to make a stand for or ag..."Udekwu if you are going to make a stand for or against Reade don't be ambiguous, show a little courage and state exactly why you quit."<BR/><BR/>I can't blame him for being ambiguous when it might be Woo's fault.<BR/><BR/>I suspect his lack of response so far is not an issue of "courage but of more likely related to not knowing/caring what we here think.<BR/><BR/>Why he quit the team, if not related to Seligman, is not our business (the Independent artice makes.<BR/><BR/>However, I agree that to the extent he cares about his reputation here it's in his interest to clarify.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-63074214035483367312007-07-17T09:11:00.000-04:002007-07-17T09:11:00.000-04:00Udekwu quit the team before Reade had publically m...Udekwu quit the team before Reade had publically made the announcement he was attending Brown. He quit the team for other reasons than Reade attending Brown and playing for the team. The press is trying to make a tie in her to sell papers and churn the pot of lies. To make sure the lines of communication are clear, Udekwu should make a statement now before his name is dragged into the cesspool of the Duke 88 and their followers. Udekwu if you are going to make a stand for or against Reade don't be ambiguous, show a little courage and state exactly why you quit. And lets stop second guessing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-75185506697113209132007-07-17T08:53:00.000-04:002007-07-17T08:53:00.000-04:00I have no idea how I totally dislocated [sic} the ...I have no idea how I totally dislocated [sic} the above post. Should be under Garganus.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-70535101925980259262007-07-17T08:36:00.000-04:002007-07-17T08:36:00.000-04:00“Boys 18 to 25 are natural warriors: bodies have w...“Boys 18 to 25 are natural warriors: bodies have wildly outgrown reason, the sexual imperative outranks everything. They are insurance risks. They need (and crave) true leadership, genuine order. But left alone, granted absolute power, their deeds can terrify. The imperative to win, and damn all collateral costs, is not peculiar to Durham—and it is killing us.” -- Garganus<BR/><BR/>Could someone tell me why he dragged gangs and Black Panthers into this??<BR/><BR/>===================================<BR/>A true intellectual knows full well that Sincerity is not a virtue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-66765655218522834212007-07-16T19:52:00.000-04:002007-07-16T19:52:00.000-04:00hahaha...I just noted a Freudian transposition err...hahaha...<BR/><BR/>I just noted a Freudian transposition error ... "Gergory"... me behaving like the dog I am, viewing Panties so-called dancing: "grrrrrr gory"<BR/><BR/>sorry .... my badAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-76202248816021493992007-07-16T19:47:00.000-04:002007-07-16T19:47:00.000-04:00InmanYes, the Masai have reputation of great warri...Inman<BR/><BR/>Yes, the Masai have reputation of great warriors. The Ubuntu reference is to the dancers at the pot bangers demonstration. I presume they were dancing an authenic African dance. It was hysterical. I believe you can view it on youtube.<BR/><BR/>PolanskiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-9755024542438403362007-07-16T19:33:00.000-04:002007-07-16T19:33:00.000-04:00Polanski,Are the UBUNTU part of the Masai of Kenya...Polanski,<BR/><BR/>Are the UBUNTU part of the Masai of Kenya?<BR/><BR/>Phelan,<BR/><BR/>Was your reference to Joe in #5 above another thinly veiled threat targeting my brother? huh? <BR/><BR/>and finally, Gergory,<BR/><BR/>Please don't bring cousin Tom's collaboration with KC into this.<BR/><BR/>Thanks all!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-23956812221468723962007-07-16T19:17:00.000-04:002007-07-16T19:17:00.000-04:00What may make Udekwu seem anti-Reade or something ...What may make Udekwu seem anti-Reade or something may be the fact that he *quit* the Lacrosse team. Why did Wu interview him specifically and not any current member of the team who will actually play with Reade? This seems to imply Wu feels Udekwu might express an opposing opinion when he sought him out to interview. Wu does state Udekwu quit *before* Reade's recruitment. It doesn't state he quit before the hoax case came up. There is a possible implication that Udekwu quit playing lacrosse in response to the incident. Of course, that's merely an assumption. Udekwu may have quit for any number of reasons; and simple time constraints may be more likely. A Brown player is probably more likely to quit than a player for a school that hosts a scholarship for a sport. Either way, if this case taught us anything, we should be very careful about assuming what a news article may seem to imply and what a particular person's background implies about his actions or intentions. Ultimately, until this young man actually says something unambiguously negative about Reade or takes some action against him, I think we should give him the benefit of the doubt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-67303088612375960152007-07-16T19:15:00.000-04:002007-07-16T19:15:00.000-04:00JeffM 5:47 said... ...@ GP...Obviously you have no...JeffM 5:47 said... <BR/>...@ GP<BR/>...Obviously you have not dealt much with reporters.<BR/>...First, they ask specific questions: such as how do you think the local PC activists will react? <BR/>...Second, they may ask you 50 questions and use the responses to just two of them. This is not necessarily quoting out of context. I can complain of being truly quoted out of context only a few times in literally dozens of interviews. But it is silly to assume that the quotes selected by the reporter represent the entire thought of the person being interviewed. They represent what the reporter thinks fit into his story. I have often wondered why a reporter chose to use quote Z instead of quote A, but they get to choose. It's why blogging and permitting relatively free flowing comments is so much more interesting.<BR/>::<BR/>No doubt. <BR/><BR/>I will check Brown publications quarterly for the next several years and learn how Udekwu and his friends were helpful to Reade.<BR/>::<BR/>GPGary Packwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05177986821224068759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-49522694978159682342007-07-16T17:50:00.000-04:002007-07-16T17:50:00.000-04:00To Mr. R. Phelan @ 4:50 --LOL (your number 7)!I th...To Mr. R. Phelan @ 4:50 --<BR/><BR/>LOL (your number 7)!<BR/><BR/>I think your hypothetical warning about "Joe" is obviously a warning. I will assume it was "friendly" as well, as typed words don't pick up sarcasm and tone of voice very well. Additionally, I had heard that about Joe, so I believe you. <BR/><BR/>The big issue for me is that he mentioned possible protesting in the first place. <BR/><BR/>Given his stated knowledge of the Duke case and his stated knowledge of Brown's penchant for protestation (a very interesting twin set of "expertises"), his statement, intentional or not, came out as a veiled threat. <BR/><BR/>Whether he is going to perform any of the threatened activities or not, I don't know. But, to me, he very obviously threatened that someone would. <BR/><BR/>Also, he made this statement BEFORE Reade got to Brown. Jeez, that almost sounds like the Sheriff in Dodge City: "If you or your kind darken this street again, Imma gonna hafta kill ya."<BR/><BR/>P.S. I wanted to note that your view of the situation seems to be even darker than my own. :)<BR/><BR/>_____________<BR/><BR/>"Jefferson was wont to include a fair too many "like's" and "for sure's" in the main body; thankfully, K.C. Johson exercised a fair and discrete editorial hand." Drafting the Declaration, Doris Kearns Goodwin (2012, Scholastic) MOO! GregoryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-36582432258245736192007-07-16T17:47:00.000-04:002007-07-16T17:47:00.000-04:00@ GPObviously you have not dealt much with reporte...@ GP<BR/><BR/>Obviously you have not dealt much with reporters.<BR/><BR/>First, they ask specific questions: such as how do you think the local PC activists will react? <BR/><BR/>Second, they may ask you 50 questions and use the responses to just two of them. This is not necessarily quoting out of context. I can complain of being truly quoted out of context only a few times in literally dozens of interviews. But it is silly to assume that the quotes selected by the reporter represent the entire thought of the person being interviewed. They represent what the reporter thinks fit into his story. I have often wondered why a reporter chose to use quote Z instead of quote A, but they get to choose. It's why blogging and permitting relatively free flowing comments is so much more interesting.<BR/><BR/>JeffMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-51237118624326766962007-07-16T17:43:00.000-04:002007-07-16T17:43:00.000-04:00Projecting from what little I know about Brown, I ...Projecting from what little I know about Brown, I suspect Woo could have quoted me as saying, "Sign-waving and protests are not out of the question" by activists. Kris Udekwu's other quotes are in the same vein.<BR/><BR/>When Woo quotes Kris Udekwu as saying such things, I have a hard time seeing a threat. Although I suspect Udekwu <I>does</I> have warmer feelings towards activists. If his hypothetical threat is so muted that most of its audience can't perceive it as such, then it isn't much of one.AMachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08872008617279528583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-43985510411694004892007-07-16T17:38:00.000-04:002007-07-16T17:38:00.000-04:00The most important word in the direct quote from U...The most important word in the direct quote from U is "believes."<BR/><BR/>He's speculating based on his perception of notoriously PC Brown. Shit, I would have said the same if I were visiting Brown's campus. And you dooduses would be accusing me of inciting a riot.<BR/><BR/>Chill out. U's the messenger, not the UBUNTU dancer.<BR/><BR/>PolanskiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-20697141604081812362007-07-16T17:07:00.000-04:002007-07-16T17:07:00.000-04:00If Udekwu is a good guy and understands the Duke c...If Udekwu is a good guy and understands the Duke case so well, why didn't he make the point that he would be there for Reade to help him be successful at Brown?<BR/>::<BR/>GPGary Packwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05177986821224068759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-64719802296486977092007-07-16T16:58:00.000-04:002007-07-16T16:58:00.000-04:00K.C., in response to your 2:25 response --Udekwu's...K.C., in response to your 2:25 response --<BR/><BR/>Udekwu's comments may have weaknesses as "dispassionate predictive analysis" but it hardly seems that "hooded threat" is the only other explanation.<BR/><BR/>By your own statement, Brown's recruitment of Seligmann came and went without student protests or sign-carrying. Isn't it therefore possible that it came and went without Udekwu noticing? (Surely we don't believe that all students must be aware of everything going on at their schools?) We might say that Udekwe's analysis "makes no sense" given all the available information (though I believe it is an exaggeration to say so) but if there's no reason to think he <I>must</I> have had all the available information, there's no reason to think he must have been making a "hooded threat".<BR/><BR/>As for the relevance of Udekwe's commentary on Farrakhan stepping down from the Nation of Islam (not really a "review of Louis Farrakhan's role in American life") we'll have to agree to disagree. When I read Udekwe laying at the feet of Farrakhan and the NofI "schism, strife, conspiracy and audacity", "radical black isolationism and nearly heretical interpretations of the Qu'ran" whose "days ... seem numbered", the four words that come to mind are not "mixed but largely positive" so much as "damning with faint praise".Antaeus Feldsparhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11845426339678044179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-55552204494231560612007-07-16T16:52:00.000-04:002007-07-16T16:52:00.000-04:004:46 -I meant ambiguous writing by Woo.If Woo's pi...4:46 -<BR/>I meant ambiguous writing by Woo.<BR/><BR/>If Woo's piece was at all well-written we wouldn't be scratching out heads trying to figure out whether Udekwu's anti-Seligman or anti-potbanger.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-25745690117343691342007-07-16T16:50:00.000-04:002007-07-16T16:50:00.000-04:004:35-Possible answers to your questions (I'm not s...4:35-<BR/><BR/>Possible answers to your questions (I'm not saying this is the case, only that it's one possible hypothesis.)<BR/><BR/>1. Because he's not talking about the case, but about his low expectations of Brown students.<BR/><BR/>2. Yes.<BR/><BR/>3. Because he expects them to happen anyway (see 1).<BR/><BR/>4. Maybe he did, and the reporter cut that part of his quote for reasons of space.<BR/><BR/>5. Yes, that constitutes a threat. What about "Psst - hey new guy! Watch out for Joe. He'll beat you up for the fun of it he catches you alone." Is that a threat or a helpful warning?<BR/><BR/>6. I don't know, but doesn't that indicate you should maybe be aiming your scrutiny at the reporter at least as much as at Udekwu? One thing we should all have learned by now is to expect reporters not to tell it strait.<BR/><BR/>7. Because (my hypothetical anti-PC) Udekwu is <B>right</B> about how PC his fellow students are?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-25139251302853652212007-07-16T16:46:00.000-04:002007-07-16T16:46:00.000-04:00To Mr. Phelan @ 4:39:When you write "author of the...To Mr. Phelan @ 4:39:<BR/><BR/>When you write "author of the piece," are you describing K.C. Johnson or Stu Woo? Or, were you refering to yourself or inman, whom you had just quoted above? <BR/><BR/>The reference was too vague for me to formulate an opinion on your intent. <BR/>__________<BR/><BR/>"K.C. Johnson dabbled in the 'Black Arts' for decades so he could destroy the witches and warlocks who were ruining the country. Been turned into a newt lately?" President Obama: Speech to a Grateful Nation (7/4/10). MOO! GregoryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-19109389734051178152007-07-16T16:39:00.000-04:002007-07-16T16:39:00.000-04:00"Reading between the words and the lines, this sou..."Reading between the words and the lines, this sounds like a soft but clearly written veiled threat."<BR/><BR/>The problem is when I and others read between the lines we saw something totally different, more akin to a complaint about the number of PC loons at Brown.<BR/><BR/>When different readers get different messages it's clearly bad & ambiguous writing. The bad writing should probably be blamed on the author of the piece. One thing we should all have learned in the past year is that a second or third hand report filtered through a policeman or reporter does not necessarily correspond precisely to the truth. We'll all be guessing about Udekwu's true position until someone asks him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-22233870190027138142007-07-16T16:35:00.000-04:002007-07-16T16:35:00.000-04:00In looking at the actual source material, it provi...In looking at the actual source material, it provides, in relevant part, and with only the author's original quote marks in place, but my ellipses:<BR/><BR/>[SNIP]<BR/><BR/>Udekwu, who is black ... probably understands the Duke case better than anyone at Brown. He has been closely following it and wrote about it ....<BR/><BR/>He believes that when Seligmann gets to campus, the skeptics will pounce.<BR/><BR/>"... Brown has been known for ... making a meal out of things like this ...." Sign-waving and protests, he says, are not out of the question. <BR/><BR/>QUESTIONS I HAVE:<BR/><BR/>1. If Udekwu "understands the Duke case" so well, why did he say that there could well be (i.e. "not out of the question") sign-waving and protests?<BR/><BR/>2. Doesn't he then know that the protestors would be protesting a non-Racist, innocent person who was victimized by a false accuser?<BR/><BR/>3. If he knew the threatened actions had no justification behind them, why did he bring them up? <BR/><BR/>4. Why didn't he say something along the lines of, "But in this case, protesting activities would be stupid because there is nothing to protest"?<BR/><BR/>5. Is a threat only a threat if the threatened action may come from the speaker or does this also constitute a threat: "My daddy is bigger than your daddy, and after my daddy beats up your daddy, he's gonna kick your [censored]"?<BR/><BR/>6. Why didn't the author of the piece mention the race of "[o]ne of Seligmann's new teamates"? Three paragraphs earlier, the author specifically described Udekwu as "black." <BR/><BR/>7. Why is Reade Seligmann's new teammate so "fearful"? Is it the "BILLY MUMY POSTULATE" of the "Pathos Theory" come to life in front of our eyes? <BR/>_______________<BR/><BR/>"When signs keep you or me out of a yard, room, or nuclear missle silo, know this: K.C. Johnson is always 'authorized'" The History Channel (7/04/07). MOO! GregoryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-80837878921816192082007-07-16T16:26:00.000-04:002007-07-16T16:26:00.000-04:00OK, if we can't get a consensus on whether "threat...OK, if we can't get a consensus on whether "threat" is the right word, can we at least agree that the spelling should be corrected? :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-45080041861068090072007-07-16T16:24:00.000-04:002007-07-16T16:24:00.000-04:00Is telling the truth cowardice?Sounded like Brown ...Is telling the truth cowardice?<BR/><BR/>Sounded like Brown to me.<BR/><BR/>JeffMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-1723761216194925872007-07-16T16:13:00.000-04:002007-07-16T16:13:00.000-04:00Carolyn says:KC, don't back down! You are damned ...Carolyn says:<BR/><BR/>KC, don't back down! You are damned right to confront Udekwu's 'hooded threat' for exactly what it was! Udekwu pissed ME off with his gutless refusal to come out and say what he thought. Instead, he pulled a Gang tactic by hiding behind the words of anonymous others. I can just see Udekwu whine in the future that he wasn't really threatening Reade - he was merely 'listening' to the statement of others who wanted their 'voices to be heard'. <BR/><BR/>Udekwu, you coward!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com