tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post7431831268295210465..comments2024-02-24T05:19:10.949-05:00Comments on Durham-in-Wonderland: Duke's New Party Linekcjohnson9http://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comBlogger53125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-28126126262274663892007-06-03T19:28:00.000-04:002007-06-03T19:28:00.000-04:002:14 amSee? Except for me, no one's evenbothering ...2:14 am<BR/><BR/>See? Except for me, no one's even<BR/>bothering to respond to your <BR/>ridiculousness.<BR/><BR/>As someone said before: what you <BR/>just did was let a wet fart<BR/>in a paper bag.<BR/><BR/>Might as well have said, from<BR/>your classroom parapet:<BR/> <BR/>"I fart in your general direction!"<BR/>(Monty Python's "Holy Grail.")machttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14248016116043347912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-65917452930354606582007-06-03T02:14:00.000-04:002007-06-03T02:14:00.000-04:00that is so much spin. these men may have been inn...that is so much spin. these men may have been innocent of rape but they were not saints. kc has done nothing but spin this whole time and initiate blog/email attacks on anyone who did not carry his partyline which is:<BR/><BR/>KC partyline:<BR/>1.the lax team are white angels beset by a mostly black city; everything they have ever done is exemplary<BR/><BR/>2.the defense attornies involved are absolute truth tellers even though they are some of the biggest liars on the east coast and anyone living here knows they have defended the scum of the earth on a routine basis before this<BR/><BR/>3.that CGM and the blacks in durham are not human beings and have no rights a white person should respect and therefore can be vilified, disrespected, etc and denied a chance for evidence to be heard in court.<BR/><BR/>4.jim coleman is the one black person worthy of respect as he is quick to try to white wash the lax players(see point #1) even though his own report noted that 36 of them were in trouble with duke or the police since 2003 and that the team had more problems of this sort than any sports team at duke. They were hardly angels collectively. Evans had alcohol charges and was the mastermind of the lesbian sex show for the team, Finnerty's DC escapade in which he threatened and assaulted a stranger while calling him a faggot was hideous and showed a poor character(i do not care that the conviction is vacated; that is political and he still was convicted by a JUDGE and no one can deny that it did happen) and Seligmann comes from the center of an SAT cheating scandal, Delbarton( which gave Reade a gold medal recently even though last time i checked most catholic schools would not reward attending an underage drinking lesbian sex show with racial epithets but i guess times have changed.)<BR/><BR/>5.the G88 professors have no right to free speech nor a right to even have diversity and feminist areas of study exist, period<BR/><BR/>6.Nifong is the prince of darkness<BR/><BR/>and did i leave anything out?<BR/><BR/>oh yes, <BR/>7.anyone not carrying the partyline publicly should be routinely attacked on this blog and by vile emails. <BR/><BR/>too bad a lot of people in Durham still disagree with you and these bloggers. Cooper's declaration of innocence(which is itself unprecedented and illegitimate as only a judge or jury can declare innocence)and then his sketchy report did not convince everyone. The opposition on the city council is just the tip of the iceberb.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-19559543264120737572007-06-01T23:04:00.000-04:002007-06-01T23:04:00.000-04:00Anonymous 12:13 said... ...KC,...I had to laugh wh...Anonymous 12:13 said... <BR/><BR/>...KC,<BR/>...I had to laugh when you criticized Duke Magazine for spinning the LAX case in a manner which places Duke and Brodhead in the best possible light. You have been spinning the case every day for 15 months in a manner which places the LAX players in the best possible light. You are certainly in no position to criticize others for spinning. <BR/>::<BR/>How on earth could anyone 'spin' Dave, Reade and Collin?<BR/><BR/>They are great student athletes from wonderful families who are responsible for their own reputations.<BR/><BR/>Their lacrosse team has a 100% graduation rate and they have been active in their community since elementary school.<BR/><BR/>How do you spin that?<BR/>::<BR/>GPGary Packwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05177986821224068759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-21310611775509648362007-06-01T21:14:00.000-04:002007-06-01T21:14:00.000-04:00The Colorado football gig is like Bill and Hillary...The Colorado football gig is like Bill and Hillary with Whitewater. In the District, we would say "how do we get Ken STarr out of towm?" Over fifty million bucks spent and all the Republicans accomplished was forcing Newt to resign.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-71883562851120916782007-06-01T20:10:00.000-04:002007-06-01T20:10:00.000-04:00mik 12:26 said... ...Thanks, KC. I don't remember ...mik 12:26 said... <BR/><BR/>...Thanks, KC. I don't remember hearing about the water buffalo incident before so I read the article you linked. Imagine my surprise to see Duke's own Larry Moneta's name as the point man for UPenn during this debacle.<BR/><BR/>...Had anyone noticed the Moneta connection between the two cases? <BR/>::<BR/>Oh Yes.<BR/><BR/>Larry Moneta's group has a $10M annual budget. <BR/><BR/>Within that group is the Women's Center (Safe Haven), Sexual Assault Support Services and their Take Back The Night program (rape prevention) and there is apparently no dotted line connecting these services to the Duke University Hospital Behavior Health Section.<BR/><BR/>The fact that there is very little sexual assault on the campus of Duke University is becoming a problem for Larry, I would imagine. <BR/><BR/>All of the Ph.D's in Larry's shop seem to be desperately trying to find that hot button issue with the students to justify their existence and help them with that one BIG program on campus that will cause them to earn the position of president of a small liberal arts college...somewhere in the South probably. <BR/><BR/>The action work and phrase for Larry's group is 'Diversity' and "Building a Sense of Community."<BR/><BR/>Building a 'Sense of Community' is essentially the job of the President of a Small Liberal Arts College.<BR/><BR/>The lacrosse team was not at all helpful to these efforts at 'Community Building' as the lacrosse guys refused to be victimized. <BR/><BR/>Larry needs to try again to 'Build a Sense of Community' without victims this time when they ramp up again this Fall.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps the students can build that 'Sense of Community' by taking on the problem of stay dogs, cats and water buffalo, et al...in Durham. <BR/>::<BR/>GPGary Packwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05177986821224068759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-1292550115367006082007-06-01T18:47:00.000-04:002007-06-01T18:47:00.000-04:00"Chilling effect"?Didn't the 88 initiate the chill..."Chilling effect"?<BR/><BR/>Didn't the 88 initiate the chilling effect by putting out an ad that "chilled" the voices of many of their students who wanted to support the lacrosse boys?<BR/><BR/>And KC has had his e'mailbox filled, and been called things like "blog hooligan" and worse -- Shouldn't the real concern be for the chilling effect on the voices of bloggers who were attacked by the faculty and their allies in the big-guns media?<BR/><BR/>R.R. HamiltonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-43220766463399444082007-06-01T17:47:00.000-04:002007-06-01T17:47:00.000-04:00Every time I think the idiots running Duke into th...Every time I think the idiots running Duke into the ground couldn't do more damage the Brodhead/Steele/G88 crew strikes anew. I mean, even these morons can't possibly think that the latest Duke Magazine piece will matter one whit. Who actually reads those magazines, anyway (except those inclined to unblinkingly write annual fund checks).<BR/><BR/>Candidly, I care not one whit what happens to Duke. But I'm increasingly transfixed at watching a veritable train-wreck unfold in real time. It's not every day you get to watch a university harm itself like this. Fascinating stuff.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-270040415037670842007-06-01T14:01:00.000-04:002007-06-01T14:01:00.000-04:00To deny that the actions of the Duke faculty deser...To deny that the actions of the Duke faculty deserve no examination is to confirm explicitly that faculty have complete, unfettered disgression to exact judgement and punishment upon students for issues that have no context within the classroom.<BR/><BR/>e.g. Student is rumored to have supported an unpopular political cause --> Teacher spends a week outlining an opposing political agenda, chastizing the student and ultimately failing him/her. That's OK with everyone?<BR/><BR/>I completely disagree that Crystal Gail Mangum humanity is not being held central to any discussing of this case. You may as well say that the sun is not being held central in any discussion of agriculture or that gravity is not being held central in any discussion of construction. Her humanity, regardless of how it functions or what caused it to develop the way it has, exposed all the issues which are now central to this discussion. Crystal Gail Mangum's humanity is why we are discussing these issues at all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-56957804756502027292007-06-01T13:05:00.000-04:002007-06-01T13:05:00.000-04:00The 'chilling effect' of emails on G88 is their tw...The 'chilling effect' of emails on G88 is their twisted resentment of criticism reaching them inside their cloistered cells whilst they chill out reading their favorite revolutionary drivel. <BR/><BR/>Always play the victim, learned Professors, you'll get better press that way. And it sure beats overexerting yourselves thinking up actual responses to the criticism. Could any of G88 survive if they had to defend their chairs by reasoned debate?<BR/><BR/>Their positions are the spoils of the trashed campuses of the 60s, whose Administrations cravenly surrendered and refused to defend their precincts against MSM-supported student barbarians.<BR/><BR/>Gosh, a lot like the present.Insufficiently Sensitivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10285845812788767014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-56935089445124393972007-06-01T12:27:00.000-04:002007-06-01T12:27:00.000-04:00A great comeuppance for the Gang of 88 would be fo...A great comeuppance for the Gang of 88 would be for Duke to hire Dorothy Rabinowitz and grant her tenure. She would not remain part of the silent faculty, who have quietly endured as the 88 spout out their "truths" and metanarratives. <BR/><BR/>E-mails may have had their chilling effect on the 88 (for the time being), but more flesh-and-blood faculty on campus to counter them would be a more effective chill, especially since the administration is either too wimpy or supportive of these PC promoters at the expense of other parts of the university.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-20832369560456563682007-06-01T12:26:00.000-04:002007-06-01T12:26:00.000-04:00Thanks, KC. I don't remember hearing about the wa...Thanks, KC. I don't remember hearing about the water buffalo incident before so I read the article you linked. Imagine my surprise to see Duke's own Larry Moneta's name as the point man for UPenn during this debacle.<BR/><BR/>It quotes him saying, "both the behavior and the grounds for the behavior are among the most serious issues the University can face." Also from Moneta: "The issue is also, you know, language in my mind is neutral. It's a question of the context in which is language is used." (THE THOUGHT POLICE!)<BR/><BR/>Had anyone noticed the Moneta connection between the two cases?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-28817789951745220472007-06-01T12:11:00.000-04:002007-06-01T12:11:00.000-04:00ii:48 a.m., I wish what I see happening at Duke we...ii:48 a.m., I wish what I see happening at Duke were happening only at Duke. Someone could come up with a great film parody of "Invasion of the Body Snatchers," changing the setting from Small Town, USA, to a university campus. Unfortunately, this invasion is not sci-fi.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-61344654556319703042007-06-01T12:06:00.000-04:002007-06-01T12:06:00.000-04:00anonymous @ 11:48 AMI like your analogy of the G88...anonymous @ 11:48 AM<BR/><BR/>I like your analogy of the G88 with the "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" (great movie, btw). <BR/><BR/>But I think the better analogy is with "The Matrix", with the G88 as the "Agents", most of the undergrad students as the "coppertops", and the PC grad students and others (media types?) as "sentinels".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-44828973300212987782007-06-01T12:03:00.000-04:002007-06-01T12:03:00.000-04:00Regarding the reference to the Colorado football s...Regarding the reference to the Colorado football scandal:<BR/><BR/>Interestingly, after EVERYTHING had been investigated, thoroughly, over a two-year plus period... the only violation of law found was the use of a cell phone by a very low-level assistant coach to call an escort service.<BR/><BR/>Also, interestingly, the reason the media showed up early for various hearings and had excerpts from a transcript of a deposition of a female DA, was because the PR firm for the plaintiff's attorneys in the civil lawsuit had worked them to make sure they would be there. According to the book "Buffaloed," university officials privately described the entire ordeal as a "shakedown" attempt by the plaintiff's attorneys.<BR/><BR/>The book was published privately, reportedly because the publishing houses backed off after threats of litigation by... you guessed it... the plaintiff's attorneys.<BR/><BR/>But keep in mind the one thing... after everything was reviewed... the university and everyone associated with it, save one low level assistant coach ... did.not.break.any.laws.at.all.<BR/><BR/>All the best,<BR/>BrandAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-43013589826492072282007-06-01T11:48:00.000-04:002007-06-01T11:48:00.000-04:00I sometimes feel that I've been watching Duke's ow...I sometimes feel that I've been watching Duke's own remake of the 50's sci-fi horror movie "Invasion of the Body Snatchers." Duke's 88 Pod Professors seem intent on creating a student body totally devoid, not of emotion, but of critical thought. They want students who look as diverse as possible but who think exactly alike. It's easy to tell what students have been "snatched" when they start seeing everything in the world through the Pod party prism of race/class/gender. Just think Shadee Malaklou. <BR/><BR/>The CCI recommendation that all students be required to take a diversity course is an integral part of the Pod Professors plan to <BR/>take over Duke.<BR/><BR/>I only wish that what I see happening at Duke was science fiction.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-13059833884288333982007-06-01T11:47:00.000-04:002007-06-01T11:47:00.000-04:00Primer for passing any G88 course.1. Study the ins...Primer for passing any G88 course.<BR/><BR/>1. Study the instructor<BR/><BR/>2. Parrot said instructor's ideology straight back at her/him.<BR/><BR/>3. Watch the credits roll in.<BR/><BR/>No reason for their lightweight courses to not be popular.Greg Allanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04345502997844244773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-1679343152216030202007-06-01T11:39:00.000-04:002007-06-01T11:39:00.000-04:00I saw a snippet of Lee Baker of the Faculty88 on O...I saw a snippet of Lee Baker of the Faculty88 on O'Reilly the same day Fox went to Durham and caught Nifong in his bathrobe, and it's easy to tell that Baker is on the dumb side. Even the way he talks is so pedestrian.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-43532725257239974512007-06-01T11:26:00.001-04:002007-06-01T11:26:00.001-04:00It is interesting in his assessment of the "water ...It is interesting in his assessment of the "water buffalo" case that he states that the Penn students claimed that they were called "black water buffalo". I have read quite a few articles on that case and that is something new. The word "black" was not used in anything I have seen. The crux of Penn's case against the freshman was a dictionary that unlike most dictionaries, mistakenly said that water buffalo were found in Africa, not Asia. THAT was the connection of the innocuous term "water buffalo" to racism. <BR/>Also, he states that "other slurs were used". What other slurs? If that's the case why were they making a case out of the non-slur "water buffalo"? I'm guessing that other slurs, if true, would have made a more legitimate case. Why not mention them?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-37534197922989772392007-06-01T11:26:00.000-04:002007-06-01T11:26:00.000-04:00If a "chilling effect" includes forcing people to ...If a "chilling effect" includes forcing people to consider whether positions they publicly take can be supported by logic and facts sign me up. <BR/><BR/>In earlier times this quality would have been called prudence or rectitude. Superheated emotions and childish belief aren't adequate substitutes for sober reflection.<BR/><BR/>At one point I had hoped that the majority of the G88 would review the listening statement, realize they made a mistake and resolve to do better in the future. Now, after some sober reflection, I know that was a childish belief.wayne fonteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12082812958420391750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-39209504486913959082007-06-01T10:54:00.000-04:002007-06-01T10:54:00.000-04:0012:50 AM--It's true that a lot of PC style courses...12:50 AM--<BR/>It's true that a lot of PC style courses have curriculum codes that meet various requirements. And it seems likely, since professors or departments request the coding, that sometimes codes are requested with a view to making classes more attractive to students.<BR/><BR/>But it's also quite possible to meet these requirements without having to go too PC. <BR/><BR/>For example, you can get a "Cross-Cultural Inquiry" class by taking an upper-level foreign language class (one that includes literature and/or history as well as speaking and grammar), a comparative religion class, or many history classes (including the history of ancient Greece and the history of Britain). <BR/><BR/>Classes meeting the "Ethical Inquiry" requirement include Primate Conservation, Urban Economics, Human Development, Abnormal Psychology, and Air Force Leadership and Management.<BR/><BR/>The other topical mode of inquiry, "Science, Technology and Society," is met by almost every class in the Markets and Management Studies program, as well as by numerous science classes. <BR/><BR/>As for Writing 20, it's true that many of the topics are a little on the PC side--but others are not. I think the program does a good job of offering a pretty wide range of topic focuses to meet the needs of students with a diverse range of academic interests. In the fall, for example, sections will cover topics like the forensic investigation of death and crime scenes, the nature of biographical writing, and copyright and intellectual property. And based on my own children's experiences with Writing 20 (one took a more "PC" section, the other did not), the focus usually is much more on teaching academic writing and research than on imposing some required dogma that must be spewed back in written work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-20159522155202340122007-06-01T10:29:00.000-04:002007-06-01T10:29:00.000-04:00You know, I have been riding the feckless stumbleb...You know, I have been riding the feckless stumblebum brodhead pretty heavily form the outset for his inept handling of this affair. But I am beginning to believe that he is even more stupid and incompetent than I originally thought. Steel is more likely the principal culprit here. He is primarily responsible for hiring this Wally Cox clone and probably provides a script for him. <BR/><BR/>Duke needs a good purgative.<BR/><BR/>trinity60don t.https://www.blogger.com/profile/18201334022522208385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-20749978688561176392007-06-01T10:20:00.000-04:002007-06-01T10:20:00.000-04:00"... every time the media mention what has come to..."... every time the media mention what has come to be known as the Group of 88, e-mail messages fill the inboxes of professors—a phenomenon that has "a chilling effect" and has discouraged some from continuing to speak out."<BR/><BR/>One Spook --<BR/><BR/>Oh. My. God.<BR/><BR/>Is Lee Baker <I>actually</I> trying to assert that the prospect of someone possibly disagreeing with them is an unjust restraint on the free speech of the 88ers?<BR/><BR/>Just when you think the worst idiocy has been drained from the boil, some new clump shows up to turn your stomach.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-26791142892657202862007-06-01T10:03:00.000-04:002007-06-01T10:03:00.000-04:0012:13 --KC documents how the Duke Magazine article...12:13 --<BR/><BR/>KC documents how the Duke Magazine article only achieves its positive spin by omitting major, clearly relevant portions of the affair: mentioning the Group of 88's statement, but omitting the portions of it which show that it was about the "something" which "happened" to "the young woman" rather than about the vague and non-disprovable "campus climate"; quoting Lubiano's preposterous claim that "nobody wants to talk about [racism, sexism, sexual violence]" and omitting the fact that Durham and Duke were talking about it <I>so much</I> and in such frankly prejudiced terms that it became the basis for a nearly unprecedented change-of-venue motion; leaving out <I>entirely</I> any mention of the very serious incidents of grade retaliation. <BR/><BR/>Now, you can <I>accuse</I> KC of "spinning" things in favor of the lacrosse players in a similar fashion "for 15 months". However, in order for that accusation to mean more than a wet fart in an elevator, you would have to actually provide <I>evidence to support your claims</I>, such as KC has been doing for 15 months.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-85458842324376450282007-06-01T09:59:00.000-04:002007-06-01T09:59:00.000-04:00Anonymous 12:37 said... ...It never ceases to amaz...Anonymous 12:37 said... <BR/><BR/>...It never ceases to amaze me just how many people were supportive of the hoax. <BR/>...If it weren't for KC writing about them, I would have no idea and I have followed this case closely from the very beginning. <BR/>...It is his thoroughness that continues to impress me. <BR/>...After AG Cooper declared the boys innocent, I thought this would all just go away (except for the civil suits). I could not have been more mistaken!<BR/>::<BR/>I completely agree and I feel like I am back in undergraduate school where I learned that it took 50 years before the real truth emerged about the Trail of Tears and the Cherokee Indians.<BR/><BR/>This is not so much about SPIN as it is about truth telling.<BR/><BR/>It won't take 50 years this time to get at the truth. The 'record' is right here on the INTERNET for anyone to read and study...thanks to KC and all of us who have formed our little community where we search for the real truth. <BR/><BR/>Our community connectiveness will soon be a story itself that need analysis by professional historians. <BR/>::<BR/>GPGary Packwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05177986821224068759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-36529971690778562007-06-01T09:24:00.000-04:002007-06-01T09:24:00.000-04:00Their comparisons to Penn's water buffalo debacle ...Their comparisons to Penn's water buffalo debacle highlights the underlying problems with the political atmosphere at American universities. <BR/><BR/>The Left-leaning status quo is debilitating to the credibility of higher education.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com