tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post8442480577157351222..comments2024-02-24T05:19:10.949-05:00Comments on Durham-in-Wonderland: The State NAACP Suddenly Discovers Due Processkcjohnson9http://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comBlogger51125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-65892548726617676402007-09-07T15:24:00.000-04:002007-09-07T15:24:00.000-04:00to ralphgood point!to ralph<BR/><BR/>good point!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-61079754089289360542007-09-07T14:51:00.000-04:002007-09-07T14:51:00.000-04:00"I just wonder were Jesse and Al are on this whole..."I just wonder were Jesse and Al are on this whole thing. It seems like these black kids really need advocates."<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.city-data.com/zips/71342.html" REL="nofollow">Jena:<BR/></A><BR/>Estimated population in 2005: 7,395<BR/>Estimated median household income in 2005: $30,814<BR/><BR/>You could squeeze that town dry and there wouldn't be enough money to get either of those guys to get on a plane.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-49794015018870681312007-09-07T12:24:00.000-04:002007-09-07T12:24:00.000-04:00KC,Did the NC NAACP really "discover due process,"...KC,<BR/>Did the NC NAACP really "discover due process," or did they merely find their behinds once someone cut on the lights?machttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14248016116043347912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-47152155250333538112007-09-07T11:31:00.000-04:002007-09-07T11:31:00.000-04:00What the supporters of the Jena 6 don't post:Mycha...What the supporters of the Jena 6 don't post:<BR/><BR/>Mychal Bell:<BR/>Before the beating, he was on probationg for <BR/> Battery Dec 12-25-05 and while on probations for this charge<BR/> Criminal damage to prop 7-25-6<BR/> Battery 9-2006<BR/> Criminal damage to prop 9-206<BR/><BR/>Three of those charges are still pending. Since his foes don't mention the 2 battery charges, I will jump to the conclusion that they were against blacks.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, I do believe that he's at risk in an 85% white town, but it seems to me that he does not deserve another probation, and prior acts are the best predictors of future behavior. When a kid starts criminal behavior at 15, and nothing has slowed him up, I wonder where is parents are. <BR/>Also, he was a football star, and never suspended--coach likess winning? <BR/><BR/> I believe he is in front of the same judge that gave him probation the last time. What do you think the judge is thinking? That makes 3 battery charges!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-83928115428626316562007-09-07T10:56:00.000-04:002007-09-07T10:56:00.000-04:00Friends,Re. commenters who come here and launch at...Friends,<BR/><BR/>Re. commenters who come here and launch attacks on KC<BR/><BR/>1. KC is a big guy; he can defend himself. No need for everyone else here to take it personally.<BR/><BR/>2. Just because someone may have a wrong view does not make him/her an evil person. And personal attacks are more likely to confirm this person in his/her wrong view, rather than help him/her to be reflective about it.<BR/><BR/>3. It's better to confront ideas than people. Good people can have bad ideas (and, yes, vice-versa). <BR/><BR/>4. There is no sense in letting KC's enemies associate him with racist ideas due to comments here. I'm not saying that we should cease to challenge the dogmas of PCness from fear of being called "racist" (the last refuge of a PCer), but when we write about the races, make sure our writings are tailored to perfectly match the facts. <BR/><BR/>Just some thoughts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-41842166230507195172007-09-07T10:36:00.000-04:002007-09-07T10:36:00.000-04:00The NAACP should be shunned and ignored.If the org...The NAACP should be shunned and ignored.<BR/><BR/>If the organizaton conducts itself in a harmful and criminal manner---as they did in the lacrosse case---then their actions should be highlighted with continued condemnation.<BR/><BR/>As with the KKK in days of old.....racist actions cannot be tolerated.<BR/><BR/>You see people, when this country finally begins to treat <I>everyone</I> like grownups and when embarrassing excuses stop being the rule of the day, then some real <I>equality</I> will surface.<BR/><BR/>Until then, we simply engage in treating a certain loud and childish segment of society like petulant children...who are rewarded for their negative behavior.Debrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04567454727276881424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-46579289465711486442007-09-07T09:40:00.000-04:002007-09-07T09:40:00.000-04:00"I've been known to sarcastically propose the cons..."I've been known to sarcastically propose the conspiracy theory that McCarthy was an "agent of influnce" paid by the Soviets to make anti-communists look bad."<BR/><BR/>I've had an amusing moment or two suggesting that Abe Foxman had an arrangement with Mel Gibson to help promote the Passion of the Christ.<BR/><BR/>Or just blowback - something these masterminds must always be on the lookout for.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-12678874482728510912007-09-07T09:00:00.000-04:002007-09-07T09:00:00.000-04:00My strongest reaction is to yet another press fail...My strongest reaction is to yet another press failure. They must be just as aware of the irony as we are, yet nobody called Barber on it. Hmmm... I wonder why....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-75056062580925286032007-09-07T08:57:00.000-04:002007-09-07T08:57:00.000-04:00luke said... "we should really give the Rev. Barbe...luke said... <BR/>"we should really give the Rev. Barber wide latitude in his positions...."<BR/><BR/>[ preacher mode ]<BR/>We need to give the man <I>latitude</I> with his <I>platitudes</I>!<BR/>[ / preacher mode ]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-90089252672498184102007-09-07T08:54:00.000-04:002007-09-07T08:54:00.000-04:00Manju said... "according to the times (of london) ...Manju said... <BR/>"according to the times (of london) a white kid is alledged to have pulled a gun on the black kids. one of the black kids wrestled away the gun and was charged with theft (of a firearm)!"<BR/><BR/><B>If true</B> the <I>this</I> is a much more unambiguous injustice than going to prison for beating someone into uncosciousness.<BR/><BR/>You mention the Times of London. Are you British? If so you're probably not used to one of the disgusting quirks of American jurisprudence - the plea bargain. Most of our cases end with a guily plea rather than a trial, and part of the associated gamesmanship is that overcharging is standard practice. Not all-too-common while acknowledged to be wrong, the way witholding evidence and making inflammatory statements to the press are, but a standard, routine part of the process.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-46844296845333510002007-09-07T08:47:00.000-04:002007-09-07T08:47:00.000-04:00Inman:"It also begs the question of the extent to ...Inman:<BR/><BR/>"It also begs the question of the extent to which access to compentent counsel can affect outcomes. This is a systemic problem -- but is being addressed by such organizations as the Innocence Project."<BR/><BR/>But focusing on indvidual instances is still useful for making the importance of the problem palpable. "A single wrong prosecution is a crime, a millin wrong prosecutions is a statistic."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-87884952751123076502007-09-07T08:39:00.000-04:002007-09-07T08:39:00.000-04:00Manju-"Talking about reverse-racism without discus...Manju-<BR/>"Talking about reverse-racism without discussing racism is like studying McCarthism without any reference to Communism."<BR/><BR/>I love this analogy! Both are a genuinely abusive reaction to a genuinely real problem. Both have the effect of undercutting one's "own" side. <BR/><BR/>I've been known to sarcastically propose the conspiracy theory that McCarthy was an "agent of influnce" paid by the Soviets to make anti-communists look bad. If so, he succeeded. The NAACP is busy doing the same to the claim the white-on-black racism is a real current problem in America.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-32640995260919461822007-09-07T08:31:00.000-04:002007-09-07T08:31:00.000-04:00Manju said... "Y'know, it would be nice (and appro...Manju said... <BR/>"Y'know, it would be nice (and appropriate) if you started covering the emerging Jena 6 story, since it's sort of mirror image of Duke Lax"<BR/><BR/>(1) It's not exactly a mirror image as it involves bad actions on both sides. Yes, the local authorities clearly undercharge white criminals and overcharge black criminals. But beating someone into unconsciousness and then being charged with attempted murder rather than assault and battery is not nearly as clear-cut an injustice as dropping in on a loud party, leaving after five minutes, and then being charged for a rape that was alleged to have happened after you left. <BR/><BR/>(2) KCs going on to bigger and better things, i.e. Israel. If he can clarify public understanding of what goes on there the way he clarified public understanding of what goes on in Durham and Duke, he's going to do the world a major service.<BR/><BR/>Since you're interested in Jena, maybe you could <A HREF="http://www.blogger.com/signup.g" REL="nofollow">do it</A>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-14087166959327877302007-09-07T06:35:00.000-04:002007-09-07T06:35:00.000-04:00If the NCCA,G88, MSM and feminists (who want respe...If the NCCA,G88, MSM and feminists (who want respect and acceptance) all say they are sorry about how they tried to crucify three innocent white men because of the lies started by a minority woman: I will pay attention to truthful unjustices of others. Until then I suggest you start your own blogs> if there is truth others will see it as KC has shown with Wonderland. It wasn't a big group of bloggers who kept the light shining on a terrible travesty of behaviour by many people who should have known better if they remembered how to be decent human beings.<BR/>The laws of our country and presumption of innocence are essential to our freedom and way of life. The fact so beautifully highlighted in UPI is that people with authority at Duke, in Durham and in the media showed their prejudice and disregard for our laws.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-57057202069246532922007-09-07T04:27:00.000-04:002007-09-07T04:27:00.000-04:00AS to the Jena 6 case...I agree in large part with...AS to the Jena 6 case...<BR/>I agree in large part with inman's comments earlier. There are similarities and differences here. I guess the big question here is, to what extent did racism and presumption play a role in how this case was prosecuted and/or adjudicated. It would seem that a provoked fight on schoolhouse grounds would not be grounds for 22 years in prison. I have seen a fight where a star athlete got bent out of shape and injured three coaches who tried to subdue him and he was not even suspended...I guess he was too valuable. The overriding theme here is that our system has become inequitable regardless of your skin color (the aforementioned athlete happened to be black, a friend of mine, and a very popular student...twenty five plus years ago. BTW, I am white and come from an upper middle class family). It was the right thing then to handle the problem within the system of a community caring for each other, and it should be the right thing now. When people quit caring about each other, and only about power within a group that can keep them in power...then we have a problem. I don't know the specifics of the Jena 6 case, and like others here, I would probably follow a blog on it. I only hope that whoever does blog about it has the integrity and honesty to blog as KC has here...with an eye towards the truth and not towards a predetermined outcome.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-665323534190472772007-09-07T02:17:00.000-04:002007-09-07T02:17:00.000-04:003 months ago re the Jena case:But as jury selectio...3 months ago re the Jena case:<BR/><BR/>But as jury selection was about to begin in Bell's case Monday, District Atty. Reed Walters reduced the charges to aggravated second-degree battery and conspiracy to commit aggravated second-degree battery, which together carry a maximum of 22 years in prison. Walters, who is prosecuting Bell as an adult, also offered the teenager a plea agreement including a suspended sentence, which Bell's father said the youth rejected.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-90008108194454314722007-09-07T02:06:00.000-04:002007-09-07T02:06:00.000-04:00manju 11.42i've never heard of a kid on trial for ...manju 11.42<BR/><BR/>i've never heard of a kid on trial for attempted murder because of a fight (especially when the victim didn't even stay on the hospital overnight.<BR/>:::::<BR/><BR/>Just do a search and you will see that people are sent to jail for attempted murder, even when no one is hurt--just the attmpt and possiblility--sometimes it's just flashing a weapon like a gun or knife, using poison--but the vic does not die, just planning the deed. Squeaky Fromme (Manson family) pointed a gun at President Ford. She did not realize the gun was an automatic and she had not pulled the slide. Even if she had not been stopped by the Secret Service, the gun would have never fired. She got life. Prez Ford was unhurt. The fact that you fail doesn't get you a pass.<BR/><BR/>The defendant kicked the vic in the head. I think there were quite a few guys, and the vic passed out. I guess everyone is lucky he did not die.<BR/><BR/>I'd like to be certain of the facts. If I was black in that town, I would be terrified --just like being a young white college male must have been in Durham last spring.<BR/><BR/>I hope these young Jena defendants get good representation. I just wonder were Jesse and Al are on this whole thing. It seems like these black kids really need advocates.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-42295738911129275882007-09-07T02:01:00.000-04:002007-09-07T02:01:00.000-04:00we should really give the Rev. Barber wide latitud...we should really give the Rev. Barber wide latitude in his positions....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-61687828045591916552007-09-07T00:09:00.000-04:002007-09-07T00:09:00.000-04:00I've looked at feminist sites. Search for the wor...I've looked at feminist sites. Search for the words duke, lacrosse, feminist(s) innocent. Or substitute not guilty. Include rape.<BR/><BR/>You'll find that most femblogs dropped the subject about the time Cooper issued his "innocent" report.<BR/>But some think it still happened. Others, reluctant to let it go, swear on and on about how the laxers are not nice guys and so on and so forth.<BR/>There's all kinds of stuff about how Crystal got dissed.<BR/>Nobody's said, to my knowledge, thank God the woman wasn't raped. Which, when you think about feminists and their attitudes toward rape, is kind of strange.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-74555929130690625552007-09-06T23:44:00.000-04:002007-09-06T23:44:00.000-04:00"I'm a little suspicious of these "do-gooders"."An..."I'm a little suspicious of these "do-gooders"."<BR/><BR/>Anonymous:<BR/><BR/>I'm not a do-gooder. I prefer bad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-31749636665662897642007-09-06T23:42:00.000-04:002007-09-06T23:42:00.000-04:00according to the times (of london) a white kid is ...according to the times (of london) a white kid is alledged to have pulled a gun on the black kids. one of the black kids wrestled away the gun and was charged with theft (of a firearm)! <BR/><BR/>high school fights happen, and after the noose hanging incident there were many, bu no white kids were charged. and i've never heard of a kid on trial for attempted murder because of a fight (especially when the victim didn't even stay on the hospital overnight.<BR/><BR/>but the story is still developing, and as the duke lax hoax shows, things aren't always as they seem. but those were the alledged facts that drove me to comment here in the first place.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-39302686439370046772007-09-06T22:35:00.000-04:002007-09-06T22:35:00.000-04:00I thank Manju for comments. I was previously unaw...I thank Manju for comments. I was previously unaware of the Jena 6. Today, I heard of this situation at work in a conversation unrelated to this blog.<BR/><BR/>It has already been noted that there are distinctions and differences from the HOAX. It appears that an assault did occur. The alledged victim was evidently treated for serious wounds in a hospital.<BR/><BR/>But I think the important point is the extent to which a prosecutor pursued charges that were beyond the crime (if any). I don't know the facts, and so I must reserve judgment. But I do know that one person was convicted of assault ... not attempted murder. The extent to which the composition of the jury in a parish that is evidently largely white (one source says 85%) played a part in the verdict should well be evaluated. <BR/><BR/>----------------------<BR/><BR/>So, the issues appear to be the severity of the charge in relation to the undisputed facts of the case and the extent to which change of venue would produce a more just result. <BR/><BR/>It also begs the question of the extent to which access to compentent counsel can affect outcomes. This is a systemic problem -- but is being addressed by such organizations as the Innocence Project. Perhaps more law firms need to devote resources to addressing the needs of innocent defendents facing aggressive and politically motivated prosecutors.<BR/><BR/>-----------------------<BR/><BR/>Although interesting, this does not seem to rise to the level of abuses seen in the prosecution of the HOAX...with all due respect.<BR/><BR/>I admit that my judgment may be wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-24703791536542627472007-09-06T22:05:00.000-04:002007-09-06T22:05:00.000-04:00manju's reference to women's groups leads me to th...manju's reference to women's groups leads me to think she is rajendran. maybe not.we have had imposters here before.<BR/><BR/>manju was quoted on 3-30 in the Autonomist:<BR/><BR/>"This is a wake-up call to challenge sexual assault and racial violence," said another agitator, Manju Rajendran, 25, a Durham resident and organizer of Sunday's event. "We're trying to break the silence. ...Women have a right to dignity and respect," she said.<BR/><BR/>Present in the forefront of the mobs were representatives of Duke's lesbian groups, who shared the misandrist sentiments of Miss Rajendran.<BR/><BR/>Although no charges have been filed, the team members have already been convicted in the minds of the authorities, the agitators and the politically correct nimrods on campus."<BR/><BR/>::::::::::::<BR/><BR/>Did any of this happen is Jena? Why not call the Innocence Project?<BR/>KC has done such a great job that I think people think KC is the man from La Mancha. I have not read any of the "regulars" ask KC to take on one of THEIR pet projects. Most of us just want him to write on Israel and WHATEVER his next project. I'm a little suspicious of these "do-gooders". Hmmmm, I hear the helicopters. Besides, one person cannot right every wrong, but others can learn from the experience of watching him. Get blogging you guys. <BR/><BR/>my humble opinion :>)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-82222263133815038592007-09-06T21:30:00.000-04:002007-09-06T21:30:00.000-04:00Maybe the Jena 6 thing is a worthy cause, I don't ...Maybe the Jena 6 thing is a worthy cause, I don't know. But if it is, someone other than Manju Rajendran ought to do the blog, since she has left all her credibility outside David Evans' house last year<BR/>-----------------------------------.<BR/><BR/>One who still believes.<BR/><BR/>Some of the early potbangers say privately now that they feel misled<BR/>by media reports and the district attorney’s comments. But Rajendran said that she did not regret her early stance. “We decided to have this ceremony saying, ‘We’re banging on pots and pans to break the silence,’ ” she said. “This was a case of sexism, racism and classism. … “The way that women, particularly women of color, are disbelieved around rape and sexual assault is so different from when the survivors of any other crime step forward. I believed her [Mangum] then, and I believe her now.”<BR/><BR/>Staff writer Anne Blythe can be reached at 932-8741 or<BR/>ablythe@newsobserver.com.<BR/>Copyright 2007, The News & Observer Publishing CompanyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-20145987637859401842007-09-06T21:26:00.000-04:002007-09-06T21:26:00.000-04:00Those kids in Jena did it. They should be punishe...Those kids in Jena did it. They should be punished. <BR/><BR/>We need to use this case to make a statement. We need to get some pots and pans and get down there and be sure those kids face the banging of pots and pans at every turn until justice is served.<BR/><BR/>Does this sound familiar?<BR/><BR/>How about some rational clear thinking and analysis of the facts instead. The key is knowledge. Many people spoke with certainty in the Duke case, but they had no knowledge. Let's get some knowledge and then speak about what's going on in Jena.<BR/><BR/>You know, like KC Johnson has done here. The opposite of what Duke Professors, the potbangers, and the NAACP did. The NAACP has a long way to go in rebuilding their reputation in my book.<BR/><BR/>For now I consider the group unworthy of any respect. During the Duke case they made it very clear they were more than happy to tell outright lies (long after they had been publicly proven false) to serve their agenda.<BR/><BR/>It will take a long time for me to forget the NAACP's list of torts that mentioned a "mountain of evidence" that remained on their website long after the charges were dropped and it was clear there was no evidence whatsoever.<BR/><BR/>So, the NAACP is willing to lie if it suits them, period. That's not the type of group I respect or deem worthy of any consideration whatsoever.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com