tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post8761549019546699203..comments2024-02-24T05:19:10.949-05:00Comments on Durham-in-Wonderland: Nifong in the N.C. Mediakcjohnson9http://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-18861989296100268982006-12-24T00:12:00.000-05:002006-12-24T00:12:00.000-05:00Merry Christmas to all at this blog from an intere...Merry Christmas to all at this blog from an interested observer in Australia.<br /><br />Thank you for all your hard work explaining the details of this riveting case. I have become a stranger to my usual haunts trying to keep up with this hoax.<br /><br />KC you have put in the hard yards on this one. There must be a book in all of this showing how presuppositions (prejudices, really) about class, race and gender still afflict us notwithstanding the sixties civil rights revolution. These prejudices are just as dangerous today and the politically correct allowances that are required in certain quarters are dangerous and divisive.<br /><br />Finally best wishes to the accused and their families. It is shocking you have been forced to endure this travesty. I hope you can find some good somewhere in all of this.<br /><br />SBAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-70249817673758362172006-12-23T23:50:00.000-05:002006-12-23T23:50:00.000-05:0011:43 --
No, you are mistaken. Crystal Gail Magn...11:43 --<br /><br />No, you are mistaken. Crystal Gail Magnum is a PROSTITUTE. The DNA testing confirmed that half the human genome was pulled from her orifices.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-53129839779683481702006-12-23T23:43:00.000-05:002006-12-23T23:43:00.000-05:00N and O - she is not a dancer - she is a stripper....N and O - she is not a dancer - she is a stripper. Why can you not get this right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-63746020037919924282006-12-23T22:25:00.000-05:002006-12-23T22:25:00.000-05:00From the Times article:
"But given the volume of ...From the Times article:<br /><br /><i>"But given the volume of evidence in this case, [Nifong] said he simply did not realize that he had failed to turn over the DNA results in question. “It was not something that I specifically noticed,” he said, “because if I specifically noticed it I would have dealt with it.”</i><br /><br />Yet, again, you squealed like a fucking pig when you fought the defense request to compel production of the DSI DNA detail testing.<br /><br />This is great - the more he tries to 'splain it to us Lucy', the more disconnected, arrogant, and incompetent he sounds & shows himself to be.<br /><br />Oh, did I forget to also say '<b><i>guilty</i></b>? ;>)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-52668185511797176302006-12-23T22:03:00.000-05:002006-12-23T22:03:00.000-05:00Why would anyone want to move to Durham? Student o...Why would anyone want to move to Durham? Student or Professor. To leave NYC for Durham would be crazy. Bill A and KC should be at Harvard if they were to move anywhere. Bill A - you are right on. How is the powere of the internet generated?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-6997614755880137142006-12-23T22:00:00.000-05:002006-12-23T22:00:00.000-05:00I wonder if the good (?) citizens of Durham have a...I wonder if the good (?) citizens of Durham have any idea how expensive this may get for THEM. <br /><br />Even if the omission of the exculpatory evidence were innocent ngligence, and I'm not sure where you'll find a jury that will believe that, Durham is still liable for civil damages over the fact that by failing to timely provide this information, and making the defense dig for it, Durham must now compensate the defendants for at least that portion of their lawyer fees. Nifong's decision to choose Meehan means that his company will be liable as well. And the rest of the industry is lining up to guillotine the guy, to keep their own credibility. He's going to squeal like a pig, and let me tell you, he's going to have notes and/or recordings of everyone of those meetings with Nifong. <br /><br />And once that is shown.....once it can be proven that Nifong was not acting in good faith, Durham is going to be civilly liable, and it will cost them big.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-16857099470015966512006-12-23T21:27:00.000-05:002006-12-23T21:27:00.000-05:00Anonymous said...
Dukeparent '03'05 and '10 s...Anonymous said...<br /><br /> Dukeparent '03'05 and '10 said...<br /> Duke, do the right thing and hire KC Johnson if for no other reason than balance the Group of 88!!! He is a breath of fresh air.<br /> 1:21 PM<br />Then anonymous 3:26 pm said:<br /> Duke should be so lucky to get a professor like KC!<br /><br /> 3:26 PM <br /><br /><br />Actually if any young business man wishes to become wealthy beynond his dreams, he needs to bring in KC as a full partner. His Sam Waltonish ability to accomplish far more than the average person is uncanny. <br /><br />Having had the privilege of working for and with three men that are considered giants in their respective industries, this is the one common trait in all of them. The interesting thing about all of them was their attitude regarding their accomplishing the things they did. Making large sums of money was not necessarily the goal, just that in the business world that is the measuring stick of success. Success to them was accomplishing as much as they could in the hours given to them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-48753234301052796322006-12-23T21:02:00.000-05:002006-12-23T21:02:00.000-05:00To theman:
Ignorance must be bliss. I guess you ...To theman:<br /><br />Ignorance must be bliss. I guess you may next say that the DNA from five other individuals found inside the accuser was planted by some member of the defense team? You are an unabashed idiot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-68690395792359462812006-12-23T20:16:00.000-05:002006-12-23T20:16:00.000-05:00the case is a big deal because everyone on the str...the case is a big deal because everyone on the street in durham knows the attorneys bought off precious. the lacrose playars spend money to buy her off and now she says she was not rapes when the street says they rapedd her.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-182674607773297312006-12-23T19:08:00.000-05:002006-12-23T19:08:00.000-05:00The Times tonight has finally gone after nifong......The Times tonight has finally gone after nifong...he now says "this case" is no big deal...you can't make this stuff up...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-10766553629205658842006-12-23T19:00:00.000-05:002006-12-23T19:00:00.000-05:00GPrestonian
I couldn't agree with you more!
I...GPrestonian <br /><br />I couldn't agree with you more! <br /><br />I have no personal connection with Duke, though my wife's late father was an alum. My son's played h.s. lax so interst in the sport caused my initial attention. I came to find out that some of the Lax players families were friends of friends. The more I learned about these events the more incensed I became.<br /><br />If there was a Pulitzer Prize to be awarded for Ethics, Character, Investigative Reporting in Blogging then it would be hard to decide who to vote for: KC & D-I-W, Bill Anderson, LieStoppers, John in Carolina or Johnsville. These have been some of most selfless & persistent champions I have seen in a long time. <br /><br />Maybe the "System" has gotten so complacent & corrupted that the passion for decency & the truth is almost gone. These folks are as close as what we have now for the Free Press that the founding fathers saw as critical for a democratic republic to survive.<br /><br />This battle is not over yet but the truth is on the side of the Three.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-5746871465574472372006-12-23T18:50:00.000-05:002006-12-23T18:50:00.000-05:00Thanks to all of you as well, although this sorry ...Thanks to all of you as well, although this sorry tale is not over. Gprestonian is correct that "Lynching the Lacrosse Team" was my first article. I had watched the story for a while, but once my friend Wendy McElroy started to weigh in, I figured I should so the same as well.<br /><br />Everything else came after that. One thing to keep in mind is that Nifong really did not try to cover his tracks (except in the case of dealing with Brian Meehan). From what I can tell, he figured that he could get away with it because (1) he considered himself to be "the law," (2) Durham's black community was solidly behind him, so he had a ready-made jury that could convict, (3) the Duke faculty and administration either enthusiastically backed him, or said nothing of substance to hinder him, (4) he did not have to worry about the thing being a hoax, because other prosecutors in North Carolina had pursued hoaxes and even got wrongful convictions, but none were punished for their misdeeds.<br /><br />Thus, Nifong figured he did not have to worry about anything. The N&O fell into line early, and the Herald-Sun, well, was the Herald-Sun. Furthermore, no case ever had been taken apart by bloggers and Internet hounds, and I doubt he even considered them to be any problem at all.<br /><br />Another thing he had in his favor was the support of the New York Times. First, Salena Roberts had her incredibly stupid piece. (War Eagle, she is an Auburn grad. We need to rescind her damned diploma.) Then we saw Duff and Company weigh in, along with the others there. As Stuart Taylor told me, it took a while before the adults there were able to jump in.<br /><br />But Nifong figured that if he had the press on his side, he could ramrod the case through a Durham court and get convictions. He never understood the dynamics of the Internet and of motivated people who were willing to put their lives on hold and jump into this feet first.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-66935038033793465962006-12-23T18:16:00.000-05:002006-12-23T18:16:00.000-05:004:25 pm Anon:
"You've been there, stating your ou...<b>4:25 pm Anon</b>:<br /><br /><i>"You've been there, stating your outrage from the very beginning also, Bill. <br />I thought Nifong was going to win, because not enough people cared about injustice.'</i><br /><br />Well said, Anon!<br /><br />When the book about all this is written (many say by KC), I can't wait to read just how all the bloggers got involved.<br /><br /><B>KC Johnson</B> has indicated that it was the "listening statement" of the Gang of 88, and the paucity of response by the Duke admin, that first got him going. Read up on his tenure battles at Brooklyn College to see why the Duke faculty & admin response hit home w/ KC. I've read what I think was his first post on the subject in mid-April, on an academic board, and was stunned by the resistance and outright dismissal by his colleagues on that board.<br /><br /><b>Bill Anderson</b> has written extrensively about the problems with the justice system, esp the Federal system long before. I suspect that his interest in that, as well as his academic background, led him to start writing about DukeLAX on or about April 15. Bill, was your 'Lynching' article your first on the subject?<br /><br /><b>LieStoppers</b> - I know less of their history other than that they are a group of Duke alums (mostly??) that have an obvious connection to the case.<br /><br />Even less sure about <b>John In Carolina's</b> & <B>CrystalMess'</b> start, but they obviously care about the students and justice.<br /><br />Anyway, that's where I'm going with this, Anon - your comment "<i>I thought Nifong was going to win, because not enough people cared about injustice..."</i><br /><br />All the bloggers & essayists <i><b>cared</i></b> about this case from their individual perspectives, grew together as each came online and reinforced each other and learned from each other. I have no doubt that <b>KC</b> & <b>Bill</b> came to care about these kids as much as they care about their own students.<br /><br />So... where do the members of the peanut gallery fit in, the Observers & Chicagos & Victims in Massachusetts & Windbags & HMans & Amacs & Debrahs & Cedarfords (and tons of others I can't remember) as well as the billions of billions of 'anonymous' posters?<br /><br />We who cared deeply as well gave all the bloggers an audience, and let them know that we were here to, and that we cared. That's not to say that that's what they were looking for, but I just have a feeling that had no one been posting comments to support & reinforce & encourage & inform the bloggers, that they would not have remained as inspired. So we little people did good too! ;>)<br /><br />We're not done yet, but I'm feeling better about this than I have in a long while.<br /><br />Just wanted to say <i><b>thank you</i></b> to all the main bloggers, and fellow commenters who have helped the cause.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-83022169295944392842006-12-23T18:02:00.000-05:002006-12-23T18:02:00.000-05:00Maybe this is the last big joke from Nifong. The A...Maybe this is the last big joke from Nifong. The AV claims the men were not wearing condoms when they raped her. Now she is not sure if it was a PENIS! Since 5 people's DNA was on her person, can we be that stupid to believe that she saw something that assaulted her without a condom and DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS A PENIS! <br />nifong is actually killing himself in the civil argument with these new items. Anyone with half a brain would have dropped charges and make the subjects prove civil rights violations. Nifong is proving the case against himself.The Dudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07417776000068927222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-78342378223240977232006-12-23T16:59:00.000-05:002006-12-23T16:59:00.000-05:00Looks like the NC & nasty little Durham area rags ...Looks like the NC & nasty little Durham area rags are starting to turn. They can't turn on fong in just one editorial - but over the next few weeks they will crucify him, as will the the national media. Then it's just a matter of time before the Governor and State AG realize that they are losing political good will and are looking like laughing stocks across the country. Fong is becoming a leper and there is no way any politician in NC wants to associate with him. Even the so called black community feels tricked by the fong. Duke is starting to turn with the president's letter and I expect at some point the left wing Duke group of 88 will want the healing to begin. <br /><br />However, healing can only begin when fong is disbarred and the city and state are made to pay for false arrest, illegal prosecutorial activity, denial of civil rights and due process, and various slander and libel incidents by the group of 88, members of the black community as well as the media. <br /><br />Orange LazarusAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-34417609629565623072006-12-23T16:40:00.000-05:002006-12-23T16:40:00.000-05:00I doubt Duke would hire K.C..
K.C. refused to sell...I doubt Duke would hire K.C..<br />K.C. refused to sell out his principles at Brooklyn College, causing The radical left to attempt to destroy his career.<br />K.C. fought back and achieved a total victory.<br />I can't imagine the politically correct crew at Duke wanting a Professor with K.C.'s scruples.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-64708293618543487242006-12-23T16:25:00.000-05:002006-12-23T16:25:00.000-05:00bill anderson:
"We have watched K.C. take this cas...bill anderson:<br />"We have watched K.C. take this case apart, yet he had fewer resources than any of the journalists. What happened? K.C. was interested in the truth, not "the big story." "<br /><br />You've been there, stating your outrage from the very beginning also, Bill. <br />I thought Nifong was going to win, because not enough people cared about injustice. <br />I happy to say, I now think I was wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-64023789795903790682006-12-23T16:09:00.000-05:002006-12-23T16:09:00.000-05:00Doesn't a DA, in his/her pursuit of justice, have ...Doesn't a DA, in his/her pursuit of justice, have to weigh the evidence, including the witness' testimony, to decide if the witness is credible. KC showed that Nifong did that in a 1989 case and decided the accuser in that case was not credible and as there was no other evidence, he dropped the case. Why can't he use the same logic and ethics in this case? " was to say that Nifong can't use the "I'll have to wait for the AV to give us a version that says that Collin, Reade and Dave didn't sexually assault her". He knows right now that he can "drop this case with the stroke of a pen". He also knows that one of Precious' versions was that she was only groped in front of her car. That should be enough to drop the kidnapping charge. <br /><br />Mikey it's Christmas. I'll give you a pen if you'll use it to drop this case with a stroke from that pen. But wait, the taxpayers have paid for a number of pens. Why don't you just use one of those to mitigate the damages that the taxpayers of Durham are most likely going to have to pay.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-54042722012095035082006-12-23T15:39:00.000-05:002006-12-23T15:39:00.000-05:00I agree with the last post, and I sure did not mea...I agree with the last post, and I sure did not mean to slight Liestoppers. Nifong never had a chance against DIH and L-S, not to mention Johnsville, Crystalmess, and John-in-Carolina.<br /><br />Me, I have been along for the ride, and pretty much have been feeding off everyone else. I have a little different perspective, being a college professor and an economist. And, I don't much care for most prosecutors.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-16224846206572472452006-12-23T15:30:00.000-05:002006-12-23T15:30:00.000-05:001:52 pm Bill Anderson:
Bill, I know you don't int...<b>1:52 pm Bill Anderson</b>:<br /><br />Bill, I know you don't intentionally mean to slight the other blogs, etc that have had a hand in shining the light and spreading the disinfectant, but LieStoppers esp deserves kudos as well. KC & LS both have done such a yeoman job that I wouldn't even attempt to get into a discussion of who did what the first the best and the most. ;>)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-84798075521518388652006-12-23T15:26:00.000-05:002006-12-23T15:26:00.000-05:00Dukeparent '03'05 and '10 said...
Duke, do the...Dukeparent '03'05 and '10 said...<br /> Duke, do the right thing and hire KC Johnson if for no other reason than balance the Group of 88!!! He is a breath of fresh air.<br /> 1:21 PM <br /><br />Duke should be so lucky to get a professor like KC!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-82739824773953695872006-12-23T14:55:00.000-05:002006-12-23T14:55:00.000-05:00I kind of have this theory about Nifong. By proce...I kind of have this theory about Nifong. By proceeding with this case. even knowing he can not likely win any conviction against anyone charged, I suspect that as long as he proceeds and claims his actions were “for the victim,” then he can probably not be sued afterwards by any of the defense members. I wonder if he were to totally drop all the charges against all three suspects, then Nifong might be susceptible to both possible civil lawsuits and possible criminal charges against Nifong. His “strategy” might be to proceed to avoid the potential negative sanctions against himself, and it really may be nothing about actually attempting to provide “justice“ to the alleged “victim.“ Anyone thinking the same???????Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-7061726362151474532006-12-23T13:52:00.000-05:002006-12-23T13:52:00.000-05:00Something else need to be pointed out. The NY Tim...Something else need to be pointed out. The NY Times says that its reporters interviewed Nifong for three hours on Thursday. Now, no one interviews someone for that long, and I can guarantee you that this was more of a strategy session than anything else.<br /><br />Other than the Herald-Sun, no newspaper in the country has aligned itself with Nifong more than the NY Times. It was the Times that insisted we swallow the Gottlieb report whole, even when it was obvious that it was blatently false.<br /><br />From Salena Roberts to Duff Wilson, the NY Times has been heavily invested in Nifong and the hopes of a guilty verdict. Thus, when things really started falling apart, they met with Nifong to plan how to spin this business and to deal with the obvious lies that have been told from the start.<br /><br />The difference between the Times and the H-S is that the H-S just sucked up to Nifong, but he never really gave them anything. For example, Gottlieb's "report" was leaked (illegally, I might add) to the NY Times, not the H-S, despite Bob Ashley's fawning pro-Nifong coverage. Think of it as gains from trade. Nifong thought that the stature of the Times would be such that no other journalists would dare write anything to contradict the "newspaper of record."<br /><br />However, Nifong underestimated the attorneys, he underestimated K.C. Johnson, and he absolutely underestimated the truth. This moment is perilous not only for Nifong, but also for the NY Times. This, after all, is the newspaper of Jayson Blair, and now that the Times has been at the forefront of promoting yet another hoax, one can bet that people there are feeling desperate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-71817249576058113382006-12-23T13:26:00.001-05:002006-12-23T13:26:00.001-05:00Nifong gave a press conference. He vovs to go fowa...Nifong gave a press conference. He vovs to go foward with the charges. Im sure we all would like to see Nifong go foward with these charges and watch him make an a** of himself, but that wouldn't be fair to the 3 boys and their families.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-17104196938803829722006-12-23T13:26:00.000-05:002006-12-23T13:26:00.000-05:00Stephens and Titus need looking at.We need to pars...Stephens and Titus need looking at.We need to parse every word in those transcripts. Nifong did not achieve all this on his own. Look at everything those judges did! It all needs to be exposed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com