tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post9130320056129356716..comments2024-02-24T05:19:10.949-05:00Comments on Durham-in-Wonderland: Race, Racism, and the Casekcjohnson9http://www.blogger.com/profile/09625813296986996867noreply@blogger.comBlogger139125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-62791673460937624242007-01-16T18:57:00.000-05:002007-01-16T18:57:00.000-05:00KC.
Is Rachel Sullivan a tenured sociology profes...KC.<br /><br />Is Rachel Sullivan a tenured sociology professor at LIU?<br /><br />How can she get away with the filth that she has blogged on this case?<br /><br /><br />1. “Updates on Duke Lacrosse Team Racist Rape”<br /><br />2. “However, if you this story you get a better idea of what most likely went on. A group of young wealthy White men felt that it was ok to assault this woman, raping her and yelling racial slurs at her. ”<br /><br />3. “I wonder if these guys were thinking about how much power they had over this young women when they yelled racist slurs and when they physically and sexually assault this women? I also wonder if those guys who remained silent were more concerned about protecting their buddies than stopping this terrible assault. ”<br /><br />By any standard, this is libel. <br /><br /><br />Is LIU aware of this?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-63284105971356348362007-01-16T18:28:00.000-05:002007-01-16T18:28:00.000-05:00Since Nifong was thrown off the case the content h...Since Nifong was thrown off the case the content has gone from "must read" to "why read"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-59780512203512516102007-01-16T16:22:00.000-05:002007-01-16T16:22:00.000-05:00As an alumnus of Duke, I have been chagrined that ...As an alumnus of Duke, I have been chagrined that much of the faculty has been "outed" in such a manner. It explains why, even as a philosophy major, I spent more time with the engineering students than the liberal arts folks.<br /><br />That said, the term "racism" is thrown about way to frequently. Your analysis is on target, but should replace "racism" with "bigotry" Racism implies that one side feels that the other is inferior because of race. I truly believe that the comments quoted in your analysis fall more into the first category because they show bigotry (i. e. the dislike of someone for their race) and show a superiority based on supposedly "enlightened" ideas bred through years of insular life in academia. Always a pleasure to read your posts, please keep it up until everyone sees the light and that this is a matter of more serious weight than even the 3 kids falsely accused.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-37646541060831760032007-01-16T14:27:00.000-05:002007-01-16T14:27:00.000-05:00Rachel Sullivan should be held civilly and crimina...Rachel Sullivan should be held civilly and criminally responsible for her postings on Rachel's Tavern.<br /><br />Her innocence means black guilt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-6415888641110290722007-01-16T10:48:00.000-05:002007-01-16T10:48:00.000-05:00Esquire--
A serious sailor as opposed to a social...Esquire--<br /><br />A serious sailor as opposed to a socializing sailor would join SSA, the home of Olympic champions and many other dedicated one design racers, and just down the street from EYC.<br /><br />In any event, never forget the definition of sailing: "The fine art of getting wet and becoming ill while slowly going nowhere at great expense."<br /><br />ex AnnapolitanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-44259379968724742007-01-15T23:35:00.000-05:002007-01-15T23:35:00.000-05:00My unscientific tour around the blogesphere has le...My unscientific tour around the blogesphere has led me to to believe that the one person most responsible for sliming the Duke lax players is Rachel Sullivan of Rachel's Tavern. Her guilt equals that of wahneema Lubiano or Carla Holloway.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-52667758920140848142007-01-15T22:13:00.000-05:002007-01-15T22:13:00.000-05:00Nifong - ""I'm not going to allow Durham's view in...Nifong - ""I'm not going to allow Durham's view in the minds of the world to be a bunch of lacrosse players at Duke raping a black girl from Durham."<br /><br />No, the world view of Durham NOW, is MUCH better than the above. (big fat eyeroll)Soobshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04187049593628263766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-87502040990974574372007-01-15T20:56:00.000-05:002007-01-15T20:56:00.000-05:00thanks, I'll check it out
RPthanks, I'll check it out<br /><br />RPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-12989990193850232802007-01-15T20:52:00.000-05:002007-01-15T20:52:00.000-05:00RP,
I didn't shoo her away. I am happy that no o...RP,<br /><br />I didn't shoo her away. I am happy that no one fell for her self serving tripe.<br /><br />I would love for her to come here and answer questions, though I seriously doubt that will happen. She is a morally vile thing. Creatures like that know how to slither away.<br /><br />Go to her website: <br /><br /> www.rachelstavern.com <br /><br />and see if she will let your comments through. She also writes on this godforsaken blog too: <br /><br />http://www.amptoons.com/blog/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-26886891483666933242007-01-15T20:29:00.000-05:002007-01-15T20:29:00.000-05:008:23
I'm using this board for research, among oth...8:23<br /><br />I'm using this board for research, among other reasons.<br /><br />I'm dying to write to the woman you demonize. Why shoo her away?<br /><br />RPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-24371719526265276082007-01-15T20:23:00.000-05:002007-01-15T20:23:00.000-05:00RE: Rachels Tavern,
I am ecstatic that this troll...RE: Rachels Tavern,<br /><br />I am ecstatic that this troll of a woman, who as someone stated, is an equal to one of the 88, has the nerve to comment here and try to rewrite her history and was laughed off the comment board. <br /><br />She is a PhD in sociology at Long Island University and her site is filled with anti-white hate and propaganda. She sees a racist, only white racists mind you, under every rock. She has the nerve to write such BS and then heavily screens comments in order to only hear her accolades by minions of her ilk and predominately black commenters.<br /><br />She was an enabler to all this and vilified the LAX team from the start. She is on par with that other hag, "Justice 4 two sisters". May they both rot in hell where they rightly deserve to be.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-3678310112968345512007-01-15T20:16:00.000-05:002007-01-15T20:16:00.000-05:00Some of this is nothing new. 25 years ago, while a...Some of this is nothing new. 25 years ago, while an undergrad at a large eastern school, 2 students (both minorities although not African-American) got into a fight on campus. Shockingly and sadly, one was killed. This was a huge story not only on campus, but locally and regionally. People felt awful about the whole thing. <br /><br />The editor of the school paper wrote (I'm paraphrasing) "people on campus are now saying racist and stereotypical things about this minority group". <br /><br />However, no one actually heard this stuff, no one. I was puzzled as to where the editor got his information. <br /><br />I knew the editor through mutual friends and asked him directly about this--HE ADMITTED there was no evidence anybody made these statements but he was "CERTAIN IT WAS TRUE" so he felt 'IT WAS OKAY TO WRITE IT".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-6192643160434619892007-01-15T19:29:00.000-05:002007-01-15T19:29:00.000-05:00Baker, the city manager, is a friend and fellow-la...Baker, the city manager, is a friend and fellow-lawyer. He's a good egg, well-spoken, decent guy.<br /><br />Don't tar him like the rest. He's got to allow everyone to have their say, and respectfully listen. He's not an elected official; he's just an administrator.<br /><br />Of all those you have criticized, he's one I'd say is a straight shooter. He's no race baiter, and I suspect he sympathizes with the sentiments on your blog, as I do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-40552663761463846342007-01-15T19:24:00.000-05:002007-01-15T19:24:00.000-05:00Dora McDonald, 81, MLK's secretary died Saturday. ...Dora McDonald, 81, MLK's secretary died Saturday. <br />She said that working for King was a "24-hour-a-day, seven-day-a-week job".<br />Bet it was. We all know how he liked his women.<br />And he was a fine preacher so I guess god told him it was alright.<br /><br />HeheheheAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-21506419832889524372007-01-15T19:03:00.000-05:002007-01-15T19:03:00.000-05:00Laughing my ass off watching the news coverage of ...Laughing my ass off watching the news coverage of the ignorance in Durham. There's always some fat hog BS-ing about how MLK Day has to be honored to show that "alls of us are eeeeee-quals".<br />And the brothas "are a gonna take that walk to the mountaintop".<br />They be quotin' the plagiarism of King on King Day.<br />Testify brotha!<br />Can you say Amen? !!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-51178001444503965242007-01-15T19:01:00.000-05:002007-01-15T19:01:00.000-05:006:58--I read a few of the posts at Stormfront. The...6:58--I read a few of the posts at Stormfront. They were mild. Whatever that means.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-88235214490523779962007-01-15T18:58:00.000-05:002007-01-15T18:58:00.000-05:00rachelstavern 3:16
The website you linked below i...rachelstavern 3:16<br /><br />The website you linked below is indeed a white supremacist site, indeed it is one of the white supremacist sites.<br /><br />http://www.stormfront.org/forum/<br /><br />But what are we to make of the significance of this? In the Internet age, and in age when communication is relatively cheap and capable of being broadcast in multiple ways through varied media to virtually any place on the planet. People of varying views, even opposite views, comment favorably re the same topic all the time in this era of cheap communication.<br /> <br />And, more to the point, the nature of Internet posting and commentary and often-anonymous emailing are such that disparate groups can comment favorably on public events in ways which don't remotely raise the notion that an alliance is forming or even that one group should be "concerned" that an out-group, however defined, shares some of their views.<br /><br />The San Diego Chargers lost a playoff football game yesterday. Numberless San Diegans doubtless lament this event, some of them clerks in stores, some of them murderers in jail, some of them supporters of al Qaeda, some of them kids in school. Are we supposed to believe that this radically disparate group has an "agenda" around the rather pathetic implosion of the Chargers in the seond half of their game.<br /><br />Or, more appositely, it is one of the goals of al Qaeda (now granted, this is such a minor goal that it barely registers in their organizing efforts) that Palestine receive more land to carve out an expanded state on. The framers of the Oslo accords also supported this cause; indeed, they spent years framing a solution, however ineffectually. <br /><br />Does this joint "pro-Palestinian" position among these various groups mean that they are all buddies now? Should we be anticipating a formal dinner somewhere soon where Israeli leaders will schmooze with al Qaeda leaders who in turn will schmooze with the Europeans behind the Oslo accords.Newyorkstateofmindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14165305454568651927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-35097003653022174322007-01-15T18:56:00.000-05:002007-01-15T18:56:00.000-05:00Rachel is so full of s*** that she should go the w...Rachel is so full of s*** that she should go the way of her blog.<br />Flush!<br />She's just a big mouth blog slut who tried and convicted the lacrosse players--raping them with her slimey site and now that all her BS has been shown to the world to be a setup, that sorry hag shows up here with liberal propaganda.<br />The sort that most are finding to be phony and the cause of so many problems.<br />Go back to your hell, Raaaaachal !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-80456081331451753272007-01-15T17:34:00.000-05:002007-01-15T17:34:00.000-05:00Simon 3:15
Thanks for providing the Donald Scott ...Simon 3:15<br /><br />Thanks for providing the Donald Scott info., as now anyone blogging or even just checking out this thread can now Google the essential aspects of that case.<br /><br />And I appreciate your implication about the importance of a civil tone. Argument, reasoned or not, doesn't have to get personal or nasty, though when it does, I'm ready to ride with the best of them. As for my dialog with you, I enjoy and appreciate it quite a bit.<br /><br />On the issue of whether authorities through their war on drugs and otherwise are racistly targeting black males, there are a number of somewhat fine distinctions that I'll lay out here to try and make my theme that this is not--systemically anyway--the case. The respective uses data re white and black drug usage (I don't challenge your claim that overall white drug use is higher than black use--I presume you mean per capita of course because population disparities between the two groups would virtually make this a given) rates is unhelpful in diagnosing the racial dimension to government interactions with black men around drugs and crime.<br /><br />To expand on what I wrote earlier above, policing and prosecuting agencies, and the lab and other resources on which they rely, are heavily concentrated in urban and near-urban suburban areas; drug dealers of various kinds are likewise heavily concentrated in these areas; among these drug dealers are a smattering of white dealers who often will deal modest quantities of the latest designer drugs which they frequently take themselves at rave events and other hip parties. <br /><br />But the visible urban drug dealers, the ones who still even now in our era of public policing cameras, do a fair amount of streetside or park-based dealing, are black or from Mexico or overseas, and they often end up in the net of the drug sweeps periodically conducted by drug enforcement police units.<br /><br />The vast majority of whites meanwhile, have a very itinerant relationship to this rough and tumble urban environment, where, again, both the cops and the criminals--and not incidentally the black ghettos from which many of these criminals are drawn--are heavily concentrated. Were I an urban cop on a drug sting patrol, waiting around all day maybe deciding whom to arrest, do I target the one white guy who shows up in his BMW--visions of him getting "lawyered up"--and this would be lawyering up very much unlike the Duke Three; with this guy he'd use his good money to make much more likely a chance to get any cop-gathered evidence thrown out on various legal motions--to finish the thought--do I target the one white guy who shows up every odd hour or so--who's here only because his regular exurban dealer, who has a whole room in his cloistered home devoted to drug dealing, his house fenced off by a tall fence--is not available today--or do I simply put cuffs on one or more of the numberless sad-sack black men who I know once arrested will have for representation a harried public defendant who will because of an overwhelming caseload barely be able to make an appearance on his "client's" behalf, half less issue legal motions to exclude evidence. <br /><br />For me the drug war is many outrageous things, paramount among them a travesty of ongoing injustice used to fund burgeoning budgets at every level of law enforcement, which like welfare office budgets and public school district budgets, always seem to be "short-funded"--in the eyes of those whose salaries are paid thusly--no matter how many billions are rolling in. Our government is literally targeting its own population through the war on drugs for abusive and tyrannical reasons. <br /><br />It's just not uniquely or even systemically targeting blacks for illegitimate reasons, notwithstanding the frameups here and there of random black men which truly are the result of racist intent on the part of the specific authorities. To my mind, most of the frameups--which again I concur are very real and not infrequent, are a result of the "easy catch" principle which police and prosecutors so often deploy when doing their drug and other busts. On all counts in relation to this principle, blacks are softer targets, and this is so despite the legions of race hucksters who try to reduce their harrassment: they are disproportionately near police and legal authorities (urban environment), disproportionately poor and thus much less likely to be able to mount a credible defense, and disproportionately given to failing to employ strategies which would make police apprehension less likely--like buying and selling drugs in leafy suburbs behind close doors--which of course they would have to travel long distances to get to solely to arrange such transactions. <br /><br />Finally, they are disproportionately...here I can say almost exclusively...not Russians, who as a group form these days the most ruthless and well-organized drug dealer organizations, who the police avoid like typhus, because their ruthlessness is so sustained that witnesses, in the few cases where they are temporarily available, disappear like New York City streetside peddlers avoiding the foot approach of an illegal fencing enforcement unit officer. <br /><br />We're not in the Jim Crow South anymore, where every black man, decently inclined or not, had to slightly shudder everytime they had an encounter with law enforcement. In today's society, we as Americans, of whatever hue, are subject to being watchfully careful about what we say and do around "law enforcement." Though this has more to do with the aftermath of 9.11 than the drug war, even more to with the ever-expanding PC norms filling our public space.<br /><br />One final thought: part of the law enforcement targeting of black men is simply a result of the quandary that roughly 1/4 of their number in their 20's are either in prison or on parole--this datum, not racism per se accounts for even a lot of the illegitimate targeting of blacks.<br /><br />By way of analogy, if I'm an airport screener, do I feel inclined to subject to extra scrutiny the Catholic nun (well...she's kind of in a burkha), or the Arab-looking guy from Saudi Arabia who's in his twenties. I personally am suspect about a large portion of the screening regime we subject on all our airline passengers. But that's another topic for another day. Our hypothetical screener of course, in the real world, is going to extra-search the nun: he wants to keep his job afterall, here in the land of PC.Newyorkstateofmindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14165305454568651927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-3758415456752250232007-01-15T17:27:00.000-05:002007-01-15T17:27:00.000-05:00Going directly to the GJ and skipping the probable...Going directly to the GJ and skipping the probable cause hearing, got us to where we are today. We do not need a trial, but a probable cause hearing. I hop NC corrects this loophote in their justice system. The one that did that was Nifong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-35699705955266307892007-01-15T17:18:00.000-05:002007-01-15T17:18:00.000-05:00King was also a socialist.
So why are we celebrat...King was also a socialist.<br /><br />So why are we celebrating his birth?<br /><br />Good article about him at vdare.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-45647537474313423982007-01-15T16:58:00.000-05:002007-01-15T16:58:00.000-05:00Martin Luther King, anachronism
Fact: Martin King...Martin Luther King, anachronism<br /><br />Fact: Martin King was a major supprter of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, legislation that enabled all the quota problems seen at Duke today.<br /><br />Does anyone really think, especially given the outrageous behavior of the G88, that integration is a good thing for whites?<br /><br />The imperative for integration was King's principal message. Is it still relevant today? <br /><br />Very CuriousAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-15075077235717615222007-01-15T16:01:00.000-05:002007-01-15T16:01:00.000-05:00Rachel: Forgive me for laughing at your statement...Rachel: Forgive me for laughing at your statements as so much self serving tripe. I have held back, but not on this.<br /><br />You "backed away" when every other supporter of this travesty did: The day it became apparent the accuser was a lying. Suddenly opinion was not enough, it became a matter for the Court to deal with. Maybe she's lying, but that's for a jury to decide. Maybe story number 387 has some truth in it, let's let a jury make that call.<br /><br />Bullocks say I. You leant affirmative support to this case without reviewing facts until even the most ardent supporter of women's rights figured out they were being duped. Now, like those others, you cannot deal with the obvious: Nothing happened, she lied, this case should never have seen the light of a grand jury and Nifong breached his ethical duties.<br /><br />Deal with it. You are not fooling anyone.<br /><br />-Esquire-<br />-Maryland-Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-15349215769267305642007-01-15T15:57:00.000-05:002007-01-15T15:57:00.000-05:002:45 absolutly. My son is a graduate of both Washi...2:45 absolutly. My son is a graduate of both Washington University St Louis( a Wash U Bear) and a MBA from Chicago. Although,I love the south side, it does not have the feel of University City. My daughter did her PHD work at Temple. This is clearly a school surrounded by urbanites. She lived in Rittenhouse Square.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32542246.post-83969563382320958562007-01-15T15:53:00.000-05:002007-01-15T15:53:00.000-05:00rachelstavern said: "In fact, this (receiving raci...rachelstavern said: "In fact, this (receiving racist posts) is large part of the reason I stopped posted on the issue (the other reason being I felt it was time for the justice system to settle this case, not the court of public opinion);"<br /><br />Are you asking us to believe you backed away from commentary on this case 'in large part' because a bunch of ignorant racists cowed you into submission? And 'the other reason' was because you finally realized the importance of due process?<br /><br />I have no patience for 'white supremacists', but I also have none for insincerity. You are no different than the Group of 88. You are changing your story to mask your true intentions. <br /><br />The reason you stopped blogging on the matter is because you realized your initial assumptions, which you spewed forth in rabid self-righteousness, were wrong. Not only that, but you erased evidence to them on your blog. <br /><br />And, now, you are looking for vindication by raising the evil spectre of white supremacy, which helped fuel your false assumptions to begin with.<br /><br />Have you learned nothing?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com