Thursday, August 09, 2007

Remembering the Good

In an essay published last December, Political Science chairman Michael Munger noted that the Group of 88 was out of line not “for expressing a view,” but “for (a) a rush to judgment, and (b) presuming to speak, or appearing to be presuming to speak, for Duke and Duke’s faculty as a whole.”

With Group members occupying such prominent positions (chairperson of the Academic Council, Dean of the Social Sciences faculty at Trinity College), it’s easy to forget that—as Munger pointed out—the Group does not speak for Duke’s faculty as a whole. Indeed, the Group, their new additions in the “clarifying” faculty, and their more cautious ideological allies probably comprise only 20 or 25 percent of the arts and sciences faculty as a whole. And it’s worth remembering that there were many examples of Duke professors whose behavior was a credit to the profession.

In April, Chemistry professor Steven Baldwin risked “arousing the wrath of the righteous” by asking why Duke fired Mike Pressler before the Coleman Committee completed its investigation. He paid tribute to Pressler’s personal character and the kind of students he recruited to Duke. With the Coleman Committee’s findings of Pressler as blameless, Baldwin’s words looked prescient.

Then, in October, Baldwin became the first Duke professor to publicly criticize the Group of 88. He noted, “As a Duke faculty member I regard my students in much the same way I regard my children. When my kids do something wrong, I demand accountability. When they break the rules they pay the price, whatever that might be.”

He added,

With that accountability, however, comes support. My kids know I love them and that I will do everything I can to help them through the rough times. That is what families do. I treat my students the same way. Duke students should expect nothing less from their university . . . Instead, Duke has disowned its lacrosse-playing student athletes. Their treatment has been shameful . . . The faculty who publicly savaged the character and reputations of specific men's lacrosse players last spring should be ashamed of themselves.

They should be tarred and feathered, ridden out of town on a rail and removed from the academy. Their comments were despicable. I suspect they were also slanderous, but we'll hear more about that later.

This missive did arouse the wrath of the righteous. Ignoring any pretense of desiring dialogue and debate with those who dared to challenge their agenda, the Group and its sympathizers immediately tried to silence Baldwin. “Clarifying” faculty Robyn Wiegman wrote a letter to the Chronicle bizarrely suggesting that Baldwin’s op-ed used the “language of lynching,” only to receive a history lesson from Johnsville News. Baldwin, undeterred, continued speaking up for all Duke students throughout the spring.

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So, too, did Michael Gustafson. Shortly after the defense change-of-venue motion appeared, Gustafson penned one of the most powerful posts in the entire case. Taking note of the unprecedented occurrence of the statements and actions of their own faculty being cited as one reason why students couldn’t receive a fair trial locally, Gustafson understood that the motion “is sadly easy to translate.”

It seemed, he lamented, that “we have removed any safeguards we’ve learned against stereotyping, against judging people by the color of their skin or the (perceived) content of their wallet, against acting on hearsay and innuendo and misdirection and falsehoods . . . We have taken Reade, and Collin, and Dave, and posterized them into ‘White Male Athlete Privilege,’ and we have sought to punish that accordingly.”

“We have demanded proof of innocence; we have stated that even if innocent of the alleged crimes, ‘whatever they did is bad enough;’ we have established false dilemmas and presented them as deductive enthymemes—‘White innocence means black guilt.’ ‘Men’s innocence means women’s guilt.’”

The effect? “It should be clear to all that we have created an environment, both within our walls and the community that hosts them, where it may well be impossible to have a jury of one’s peers should this continue to trial. Who are the peers of ‘White Male Athlete Privilege’? Who will vote for ‘white innocence,’ if it means ‘black guilt’?

“This document is clear. Justice - for any and for all - demands distance from us.”

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Even his critics have conceded that Gustafson is an extraordinary teacher, a professor whose students rave about him long after they’ve left Duke. A similar, though lesser-known, performance came from Rhonda Sharpe, who was a visitor to the Duke faculty in the 2005-2006 academic year and who now teaches at the University of Vermont.

In the spring 2006 semester, Sharpe had seven men’s lacrosse players in her Sports Economics class—at the same time as several lacrosse players were in now-dean’s Sally Deutsch course. But while Deutsch deviated from her syllabus to deliver a guilt-presuming lecture after the allegations went public, Sharpe did the opposite. She made clear she would not use her class time to imply guilt or to put her students on the spot. More important, she behaved as would be expected of a professor whose students were experiencing a crisis—she reached out personally, asking the players how they were doing, and inviting them to talk with her if they needed to do so.

Sharpe also publicly stood up for due process at a time when, as Munger pointed out, the Group was presuming to speak for Duke’s faculty in rushing to judgment. People, she told ESPN on Primary Day last May, “are so caught up in the rape issue and the racial aspect that they’re not paying attention to the legal aspect.” Where, she wondered, were the local NAACP and ACLU when Nifong obtained an order for DNA samples based solely on team membership rather than probable cause? And why had people not asked more “hard questions” about the procedural irregularities that already were apparent in the case?

Such questions, of course, should have been coming from the people most associated with standing up for due process—professors. Those players who were in her 2006 course haven’t forgotten that Sharpe did so as members of the Group rushed to judgment.

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Finally, one person who signed the Group’s statement subsequently took a different path. When asked this January to sign the “clarifying” statement—which defiantly refused to apologize—Arlie Petters demurred. As he told the Chronicle of Higher Education, “Whenever something causes undue pain to people, then of course that isn’t something I would want to be a part of.”

Last January, there obviously was considerable peer pressure on Group members to remain faithful to the Lubiano/Holloway line. Yet Petters’ reaction was—much like those of Baldwin, Gustafson, and Sharpe, in different circumstances—what most people would expect, and want, of a professor. Even assuming the most benevolent intentions for the Group’s ad, by January 2007, lacrosse players, their families, and their attorneys had made perfectly and publicly clear how the ad had harmed them. Knowing that, how could any professor, in good conscience, compound the pain?

Much like Baldwin, Gustafson, and Sharpe, Petters is a teacher of whom his former students speak fondly. (I’ve heard from several, all with positive memories, since his decision not to sign the “clarifying” statement.) He’s also someone who has given back to his community—in his case, his home country of Belize.

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This blog has—justifiably—focused on the dark side of academic behavior in this affair. But it’s important to take Munger’s admonition to heart, to recognize that the Group didn’t and doesn’t speak for the Duke faculty as a whole, and to remember that the past 17 months also featured some professors who reflected the best of the academy’s ideals.

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Duke1965 said...

Hey inman, exactly.... they are indeed stars, and Duke students are anything but stupid. The Duke students may not be 60's campus radicals, but from what I've seen, they're pretty open-minded and demand fair treatment for everyone, especially fellow students. The pushback from the students over time is going to be interesting......

One Spook said...
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Steven Horwitz said...

As someone whose own scholarship is at the margins of his discipline, I just want to echo the point that the great thing about academia these days is that there is an enormous variety of scholarship taking place and that the very low cost of communication has made it possible for folks "at the margins" to get their work published in peer-reviewed forums.

It certainly has a downside, in that more garbage is likely to get published. But it also means that views that otherwise wouldn't get a hearing or get into print can do so. Whether the signal to noise ratio is higher or not is debatable, but there's no doubt that there's a much greater range of ideas out there to learn from. And that, to me, is a good thing.

My view is that if it really is peer-reviewed, it counts. Let the judgment of the scholarly community as a whole sort out its value.

Science does indeed not need, nor could it even possibly have, a central planner.

Anonymous said...

@ Steven

The point remains that the universities do not contribute monetarily to the provision of the public services. The argument in favor of that has been that they contribute in other ways that have value. In a democratic system, that means that all get a voice in whether they deem that value to be sufficient or even real. You and our anonymous visitor may not like that equality of voice because we are not your academic peers, but it is a fact. It has nothing to do with some centralized bureau for standards of scholarship; that is a pure red herring.

One Spook said...

5:53 writes:

I think that yet another article about Christ and modern romantic relationships produced by a professor of theology is a useless investment of time, money, and resources--yet, still, that stuff is churned out by universities, and some of it in the Duke Divinity School. Guess what? I'm not their peer, they didn't ask my opinion, and clearly I'm not their audience.

Fair enough, but I don't recall seeing leading members of the Duke Divinity School publishing a "listening statement" that castigated male athletes because they didn't go to church, and exorting on those who "didn't wait" and carried signs that said "Sinner Repent!" and so forth.

We've had that very type of overt influence of Puritanical Christianity in the past (See: The Salem Witch Trials), and occasionally today. Reasonable people did not then and do not buy into it today anymore than they should buy into this absurd and overt emphasis on viewing everything in life through this ridiculous Race, Class, Gender prisim, either.

And because of the actions of the Klan of 87, their behavior and their so-called scholarship deserve the examination and judgment of reasonable people.

To use your own words, "wacky scholarship," goodness knows there is plenty of it, and it is legal, just as pornography is legal.

The issue is when wacky scholarship means that professors have ideological priorities that move them to throw their students under a bus, do reasonable people want those professors teaching and in leadership positions in a university?

One Spook

Anonymous said...

Isn't this the type of discussion about race/class/gender/privelege the 88 claimed they wanted to have? Where are they to defend their positons? Since it turned out they were dead wrong we haven't heard a peep from them.

Kinda makes you think they might not have been so sincere about that discussion after all.

Anonymous said...

anonymous 6:15

Your points about scholarship are well taken. A piece of work should be judged on its merits, peer-review is the appropriate and accepted method to assess value. However, certain areas of "scholarship" seem to be protected under an umbrella of political correctness. Ad hominem attacks are immediately launched when someone raises questions, instead of reasoned discourse. The most egregious example of this, is Larry Summers, formerly of Harvard. I have posted this link before, and asked the question: What gives Hopkins the right to act this way?
This is a perversion of the system, and many of us are reacting to that distortion of traditional academic values.

Http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A40073-2005Jan26.html

mac said...

It's interesting that posters -(Note: I haven't called them trolls, because they seem to write unaided by Thunderbird) - throw stuff that is accusatory, and with the same shit-bucket-style the 88-1 used.

We all supposedly are:
Ignorant.
Uneducated.
Biased.
Rightwing.
Racist.
Homophobic.
Mysogynistic.
Afraid of female scholars.
Anti-intellectual.
Anti-tenure.
Ideologically narrow.
White.
Male.
Conservative.
Privileged.
Athletic.

These are all lumped into the same pejorating word-pile. It doesn't matter that the charges aren't true, since we aren't cookie-cut: it only matters that they get to use the very same brush with the very same fecal matter the 88ers used to smear three innocent young men.

It also seems to escape their attention that it is OK to be:
White
Male
Conservative
Privileged
Athletic

When did those suddenly become acts of criminal behavior?

Yet there are many posters who keep on painting with that same old shit-can, and with that same old brush: "you are all anti-tenure."

Nope. We're anti-bully. And when tenure is used by certifiable nutcases ("Prowess Envy" Farred)to bully people the professors are supposed to be helping, it says something about the need for a moral clause or two in the educational contract involving the treatment of students by professional educators.

Start with a few ideas such as these:
I will not harrass my students...
I will not slander my students...
I will not threaten my students...
I will not retaliate against...

Because none of the posters who show up with flamethrowers ever address these issues, it's an easy guess that they approve of harrassing, slandering, threatening and retaliating.

Anonymous said...

Inre: "...So you don't like most of what cooke or Sigal or any number of what the 88 professors publish or teach. Who cares?"

That is fine, excepting the frauds are using up critical resources and taking seats that may be otherwise avaiable for others who raise the human experience rather than deconstruct it. They can and should have free rein to shout from street corners.

These frauds work is not worthy of an elite university system anywhere. They are sucking the oxygen out of a very expensive room.

The fact that they rue their own students simple means they need to be fired, de-funded, or prosecuted faster.

Anonymous said...

KC, I do think the comparative discussion with post WWII communists is on point.

The basis for the class/gender/race academy is founded in similar, if not identical, fraudulent fashion which is to say creating victims where none currently, or maybe very few, exist.

Second the academic frauds are very similar to the communists in that they do not overtly provide indicia that they are in fact something much different than presented. What limited work is published in obscure, hard to find publications. There are no links to their work/articles. They don't provide advanced class reading lists. In short one can sign-up and then drop the class. The University intentionally hides these loons from unsuspecting families who take campus tours.

I would agree that there is limited connection to Iraq. It is monumentaly ironic the volunteer army is defending the fraud's rights to says/do things they could never say/do in Iraq.

Anonymous said...

Prof. Gustafson sent my kid a nice Facebook message on his birthday -- it really meant something to him.

I have the sense that he really does put in a tremendous amount of time and effort and cares -- it shows.

Prof. Baldwin has given good advice and encouragement and I am grateful to him also.


Still, I am more grateful to these Profs. for what they did where both the risk and the need was so much greater -- what they did not just for the LAX team but for Duke.

MikeZPurdue said...

The way Prof Baldwin spoke up to the Group of 88
was truly courageous! I'd like to send Prof Baldwin
an e-mail to thank him for the way he stood up to them.

One thing that I have observed about liberals over
and over again (referring mostly to personal friends)
is that if you show them up (or better them logically)
the expletives fly. It makes me smile thinking of all
the expletives that spewed forth from the members
of the Group of 88 in response to Prof Baldwin's
statements :)

The other trait that I have observed about liberals
is that they can say the most outrageous things
(that are truly slanderous) BUT when someone says
something back to them about one of their beloved
leaders, they are first to cry "that's slanderous" lol

Anonymous said...

There was a society that adored intellect and reason and the advancement of knowledge. Many within the society were content to use their intellect and reason to advance knowledge by increments, small but sure. And advance it did, indeed.

Others, however, were not content. Small increments were not sufficient. These others wanted a Newtonian or a Copernican or an Einsteinian revolution of thought for all mankind. The problem was that humans did not often or ever accept bifurcation-like and revolutionary change.

The others did not mind the constraint of the immutable God-given edicts. The others were intent on change. The others sought change to achieve their own goals.

They failed when the war of the issues was waged. During that war, they killed their young.

Ten years later, the others were extinct.

No white crosses or hexagrams had been erected at Arlington on the passing of the others.

Steven Horwitz said...

Michael - what makes you think Baldwin is not a liberal himself? I see nothing in his comments to suggest one way or the other.

Anonymous said...

You hit the nail on the head 9:04. It was just fine for the 88 to go after the lacrosse players with their ad, outrageous staments, emails, (Houston baker's farm animal comment comes to mind) and guilt presuming comments. All that was just Professors exercising their right to free speach and speaking out in defense of "certain students" who felt threatened.

But when anyone says anything negative about these Professors who thrust themselves into the public arena with their comments, they are being victimized. What a pathetic double standard.

I hope the presence of this blog lets every member of the 88 and their supporters know that their actions and refusal to apologize for them will NEVER BE FORGOTTEN.

Anonymous said...

A month or so ago, someone asked me a question here and I responded. When a few minutes later Prof. Steven Horwitz asked substantially the same question, my rejoinder uncharitably assumed that he was aware of my previous response.

Therefore, my pleasure is altogether greater in seconding the words of Prof. Horwitz where he said, at 4:49 pm:

For all the attention KC and others have paid to the scholarship (or lack thereof) and "political correctness" of the G88, none of that matters to me nearly as much as the point above. You can be the wackiest scholar in town, and you can be a crazy Far Leftist, and you can choose not to capitalize your name if you want.

But you don't treat your students like garbage and you DO apologize when you were wrong. Those are the two sins that are unforgivable here.


As others may have noticed who pay any attention to my posts here, I have had almost nothing to say about other actors in the lacrosse hoax. I've said little or nothing here about CGM, Nifong, Nurse Levicy, Officer Gottleib, Linwood Wilson, or even Pres. Broadhead. Nor have I said anything about abolishing or even tinkering with the tenure system.

I think that my "What the fuck!?!?!" moment of this case, like Prof. Horwitz and KC himself, was when I learned that scores of Duke professors had taken out that ad that seemed to assume the guilt of their own students. In the days folowing, I expected the signers of the ad to produce a avalanche of mea culpas and apologies.... *Sound of crickets chirping* ....but none came.

To those Duke (and other college) faculty members who cannot understand the outrage that the ad generated, I ask you to image the following: A large bunch of rightwing professors (I did say "imagine") take out an ad seeming to condemn some of their school's black students accused of a crime. A year later, even after the black students are totally exonerated, the rightwing professors refuse to apologize and accuse anyone who criticizes them of being "commies", "gays", and "left-wing crazies".

Anonymous said...

9:38

You make a very good point

The perpetrators and those responsible for hoaxes need to learn that they will be followed for life.

So, who is going to follow Levicy to New Hampshire. Surely, there is at least one on this blog who will make it a project that all in New Hampshire know of the public record of that nurse.

If sufficient authoritative evidence is brought to bear, she may have to change proffessions and tend bar or wait tables. So be it.

But I'll submit this...if a dedicated group can ruin her life, others who hear of her misery will think twice before repeating her transgressions.

Color me both angry and vindictive.

I don't give a rat's ass what you think of me.

These people who perpetrated one of the crimes of the century on three innocent boys deserve to suffer in hell.

Anonymous said...

When Dr Einstein put forth the theory of relativity, hundreds of scientist signed a petition that he was wrong. When asked why he stood by his theory , he said, let one of them prove me wrong. Dr. Johnson is the one. Through logic and facts, he exposes each one for what they are.

I think they thought they would use this "meta-narrative" for publications until they retired. And they are furious that Dr. Johnson prevented them from a rosy future.

AJ

(RR, we'll keep your relatives in our prayers)

Anonymous said...

Inman -

Where is your outrage toward CGM?

mac said...

10:16
Snrled ina ma Thunderbird ginna.
Lecivy no twa.

Anonymous said...

OMG.

I've only been away from Wonderland a day and I come back to 200 +++++ posts? !!!!!

This had better be good.

Debrah

Anonymous said...

I would suggest that Obama could discuss this story with the President of Canada. KC - do you still support this guy? If so, why? He is still wet behind the ears.

mac said...

10:16 is Begas just getting wound up.

Posters leave a signature, an identifier.

Get ready for the Nurse Luvy crap storm, which is totally off-thread.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Hamilton, Sir:

The affliction the group suffers from is Diversitus bellissimo magnus spp. It's a virulent bacterium that's sweeping the world by storm which resembles the fervor people used to have for organized religion.

So, I ask you: Why would you expect an "apology" from a group whose minds are infected with a powerful bacterium that causes the afflicted to view the world in a class/race/gender continuum?

From a philosophical standpoint, my dear man, the group is neither right nor wrong.

They are true believers, and you should therefore respect the bacterium and their religious fervor.

It's all over.

U=efficacy/toxicity-risk

Anonymous said...

In most studies of marriage and relationships, the most poisonous behaviors/speech, sure to destroy a real connection, involve one partner's criticism and especially contempt for the other. Such behaviors are good predictors of marital breakdown, and relationship failure.

If the relationship between faculty and student is to be a serious one, of mentoring and guiding, contemptuous attitudes of the faculty person to the student is similarly poison to the student-teacher connection, and thus to the fundamental instructional connection.

Over the past year or so we have seen several expressions of contempt by Duke arts and Sciences faculty to their students. My ghastly worst of the worse is that of Ken Surin, of the Program in Literature, who told the Chronicle of Higher Education that he certainly never welcomed any student to his classes, they simply took his classes. And athletes would not ever take his classes because he gave hard reading, suggesting I suppose that unlike him, perhaps chemists and physicists and engineers must be A-givers to Duke athletes for little work. This is real contempt for one's students, and has no place in any university, particularly one in which undergraduate students "pay the freight".

Anonymous said...

6:15

Who cares?

Clearly, YOU. I assume you mean by us challenging the G88 we are therefore "anti-intellectual,"...

as surely as much of their 'scholarship' is relevant (as to what no one can demonstrate).

Your I'm rubber you're glue argument most certainly characterizes the G88.

Eric

Gary Packwood said...

Debrah 10:31 said...
...OMG.
...I've only been away from Wonderland a day and I come back to 200 +++++ posts? !!!!!
...This had better be good.
::
Its not.

The new puppies have peed on the drapes and dug up the garden.

Time for the anonymous urchin line.

Diva Dog is hiding in the China Closet.
::
GP

Anonymous said...

TO GP--

Seems a few anonymous urchins were on the case today....trying to break bad with KC.

It just isn't fair, is it?

Facts presented point by point by KC in response.....with the precision of a cleanly sharpened, glistening knife.....

...make for a swift kill.

What was the name of that film.....Legends of the Fall?...where the narrator says dryly in the last scene:

"It was a good death."

Debrah

Gary Packwood said...

Debrah 12:21

...What was the name of that film.....Legends of the Fall?...where the narrator says dryly in the last scene:

..."It was a good death."
::

Yes, Legends of the Fall. 1979 novella by Jim Harrison.

Today KC was 'a rock they broke themselves against."
::
GP

Anonymous said...

To GP--

Tristan.

Debrah

Anonymous said...

3:43

It's NOT what I think it means, it's what the men on this blog go on about. None of my male friends go on about this, because they're good at their jobs and they welcome anyone else--black, white or green; male, female, both or neither--in their lives.

Anonymous said...

I find all of the comparisons to the Nazis used in this case--by Lub., by posters, whatever--really useless. Railroading three young men, as horrible as it is, is not the same as sending them to concentrations camps. Reactions to hurricane Katrina and 9/11 need to be analyzed in their own terms. Not in terms of authoritarian/totalitarian rule, genocide, and total war.

Anonymous said...

Good Post 2;12 A lot have lost their perspective in this case. One of the crimes of the century - tell that to the starving and abused children around the world or the dead at 9/11, Pearl Harbor and the camps.

Anonymous said...

10:01 We need your real name for the suits.

Anonymous said...

10:01 I think it's really scary that this is the most you can find to be outraged about. (Dafur, people unfairly convicted on Death Row, world hunger, global warming, take your choice.) I suspect that the LAX 3 have moved on. And you're not. Get a screaming life. Please.

Anonymous said...

It is cute that so many of the posters here think that "liberal" is an insult. Isn't it simply a description of those who are left of center. Some of the name callers ("we stand up to liberals"--garbage!) strike me as being very intolerant and undemocratic. Where does this get you? No wonder none of the 88 want to talk to you.

Anonymous said...

8:40, Since the Nazis were racist (anti-Semitic, anti-black, anti-Slav, etc.) and gender biased (keep women at home), and certainly would not have tolerated the G88, perhaps there is a reason to keep that part of the discussion going. Their beliefs seem to have been akin to some of the more conservative/radical right who post on this list.

Anonymous said...

"I suspect that's the type of analysis that wouldn't survive most forms of peer review. "

Oh, I don't know. I bet it would be accepted in Women's Studies, African American Studies, or Cultural Anthropology. Plus I hear "Social Text" will publish just about anything.

mac said...

2:12
No one - and I repeat no one - has said that what the young men endured was as awful as the concentration camps. Straw man.
Go back to your place under bridge #1

2:20 am
Nonsense. Tell Darfur about Darfur. Tell Sudan about the Jingaweed. Straw man. Go back to your place under bridge #2.

2:25
Enjoy your Thunderbird with Begas.

3:04
Why are you so threatened, so afraid of this blog? Why don't you take your own advice?

3:08
I think it's cute that people like you can't sleep and have to get up to do your business. No one said "liberal" is an insult.
Go back to bed. You're so cute when you're grumpy!

3:11
Read my 7:58. Your rock awaits you; try to see if you can find your way back under it in the dark.

Anonymous said...

5:41,

Straw people, indeed. Darfur's not to worry about? I guess I don't have your moral outrage of 3 versus millions. I suppose you think like Stalin on numbers...

I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not afraid of this blog. I tell my friends to read it so they can see what the right wing looks like. TROLLSSSSSSS!!!

What 7:58 post????????

And

Anonymous said...

5:41

What is Thunderbird with Begas? Is it what you're on? FOFL

Anonymous said...

To Mac:

It is fascinating that your write with so much anger and so much defensiveness. You make me laugh. You want so badly to force people--in the case G88--to do what you want them to do when you want them to do it.

While I think it would have been useful for them to say their letter was too vague and so misconstrued, their continued silence tickles me, because it annoys the likes of you so much.

For the record: I never thought the LAXers were guilty. That's why I began reading this blog.

mac said...

6:20 am
See 7:58 pm. (You do the little scroll thingie, y'know.)
Darfur is an outrage, but it doesn't have anything to do with this thread, and people try to bring in stuff that isn't even the least bit metaphorical. Darfur is not a metaphor for this case, and neither is world hunger, global warming or Pearl Harbor, things that both 2:20 and 3:04 wail on about incessantly. Waaah - call 911! I need a wambulance!

6:21
It's a common response to one of Tara'a trolls. It (Begas) writes the same thing, over and over, and so we respond in kind, over and over. Msrglro idlpop grdle, like that.

6:25
Their continued silence doesn't say anything about anyone else: it speaks volumes about them.
I enjoy poking holes in hot-air balloons. Could you please send up another one?

Anonymous said...

8:14,

I think their silence says nothing. It's just silence. But, I love how much it gets your types--the demanders/footstampers (Apologize. Do it now!!!)--who post here upset. Tee hee. ;-p

mac said...

I've never once demanded an apology from the 88 - I think they should be exposed for what they are.

I've never really expected to see an apology from Nifong, who made semi-apologies that still allow for the belief that "something" happened. Some people of the principals involved should serve time in prison. Don't you agree?

Anonymous said...

As long as them members of the hateful, disgraceful, ignorant group of 88 are at Duke, parents will always question if they want to send their children their to be educated. They have cast a shawdow of doubt over Duke and until the vermin are cleaned out that black cloud will forever hang over Duke. The Duke 88 has made it embarrasement to say you graduated from there. To say you will be going or are sending your children there you get looks of pity and confusion as to why. I actually heard a High School senior parents talking and one asked where their son was going and the father whispered in hushed tones, "Duke". The parent that asked the question answered, "Oh, I'm sorry" as if someone had died. Shame, disgrace and embarrassment have been brought on from within.

Anonymous said...

8:52,

I disagree with you. Spend time in prison? I think not.

Anonymous said...

Several of the earlier bloggers need to think about their views and the subjects upon which they focus. There's an old prayer that goes something like this:

"Dear Lord, give me the grace to accept the things I cannot change, give me the courage to change the things I can and most of all, give me the wisdom to know the difference. Amen."

I can't do anything about world hunger except support the organization of which my wife is the Executive Director -- a food pantry feeding the hungry.

I can't do anything about Dafur that others are not already doing. Adding my voice to that chorus would leave me hoarse and with no effect whatsoever.

Global warming. I work for an organization that is researching various "green earth" technologies that will reduce waste and the consumption of petroleum products.

Concentration camps, pearl harbor? What, pray tell can anyone do about these historical events.

Justice. Well that seems to me the common theme of everything I have written here. My rage at Levicy is but one of my many rages. And if you'll study my words, you will find that I propose a way to prevent that particular injustice from happening again. That, in a sense, addresses the issue of "wrongly convicted."

So, as I've said before, to many a presumptuous arse who thinks they know me and my kind and what I represent because they know about diversity and the WASPEENESOB mind,
go _____ yourself.

You choose the word.

Anonymous said...

9:15,

What are you crazy? I'll send my kids there in a New York minute if they apply and that's the best school that excepts them. I read more trash and fear more vermin on this blog daily.

Anonymous said...

9:49

Would you want Duke to accept them or except them?

Welcome to the trash dump.

Anonymous said...

Inman,

To except them, of course, since they're acceptional. Any other questions?

Anonymous said...

9:57 is more correct than she know when referring to a "trash dump." Lotsa trash been dumped on this blog today.

Anonymous said...

Duke is a great school and your children would surely get a great education should they attend school at Duke.

Except for the fact that there are a minority of whacky Professors there who might prejudge them and dislike them just for having certain traits (white, affluent, etc).

Except for the fact that there are some Professors there who feel it is OK to throw their students under the bus without cause if it makes them look good, feel good, or they just feel like it.

Except for the fact that the police department in Durham is much more likely to arrest your children (as Duke students) for crimes Durham residents would receive citations for.

Except for the fact that Duke is so politically correct that they employ a (at least one) Professor who is guilty of grade retaliation.

So, if you can accept the fact that if your children are accepted to Duke that there will be some exceptions to the majority of the good they will get out of going to Duke, I think sending your kids to Duke would not only be acceptable, but exceptional.

mac said...

9:35
You don't think Nifong and Gottlieb et al belong in jail?
Sorry, but I disagree with you.
No one said that the 88 should be imprisoned. You may have not read the 8:52 post carefully.

9:15 am's post deserves a place on KC's blog, up-front for everybody to read.

Anonymous said...

9:41 IT was your Crime of the Century claim that brought out real historical Crimes of the Century. We know you have no time to assist in world problem solving as you are to busy stalking Nurse Levicy. What is your real name, so we can hound you. Not to mention filing suits. Drinking and blogging does not work.

Anonymous said...

KC - Polanski alert 9:41

Anonymous said...

12:53 my name is Inman.

Did you even read what I wrote?

Who the heck are you and what horse off of which did you just get?

And, oh, I believe that counterclaims are very effective ways of impoverishing frivilous idiots who know nothing about the law.

If you want to discuss justice or truth or Levicy's entry into the public domain by virtue of her actions and the subsequent memorialization of those actions in the pubic domain (court filings / depositions, etc.), then I'd be delighted to respond and provide a viewpoint. That is, if you have any interest in that viewpoint.

Finally, I never -- I repeat NEVER -- lie.

So, thank you for your kind reply.

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mac said...

2:45
You haven't provided any light,
Polanski. Why don't you troll elsewhere?

Anonymous said...

Hey KC - troll alert at 2:45

Anonymous said...

I was about to post this -- Was that Polanski and/or am I being baited?

2:45 There are numerous forums that welcome reasoned and responsible postings / letters. There are also legislators and others who may be interested in the facts of this case. Whether anyone reads what I have written, am writing or will write is frankly of no concern, for if nothing else, I enjoy the writing practice and the opportunity to tweak the noses of folks like you.

Oh, and by the way, the mere response of folks like you and the mis-interpretation of who I am and what I represent and what I write, is proof positive that my words have affect.

You on the other hand clearly need substantial practice, both in judging the meaning and intent of words, as well as your ability to piece together a coherent comment.

Is English a second language for you?

Again, who the heck are you and what dog of yours is in this fight?

Thanks again!

Anonymous said...

I am not sure but I think you have to "prove " the "facts." Rumor and quess work won't do.

Anonymous said...

Dear 5:22,

Yes. You are not sure.

Tom Inman

Anonymous said...

I am not ashamed to have a seventh grade education. KC has never said that only HS graduates could post on his blog.

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