Thursday, March 29, 2007

Legal "Experts" on Obama

This morning’s Amsterdam News—last heard from on the case, somewhat appropriately, through an op-ed from the disbarred Alton Maddox, one of Tawana Brawley’s former attorneys— features an article citing legal “experts” attacking Illinois senator Barack Obama for urging a Justice Department inquiry into Mike Nifong’s misconduct.

Who are these legal “experts”? None other than the Duke case’s Dynamic Duo—NAACP case monitor Irving Joyner and adjunct Wendy Murphy.

Joyner dismisses Obama’s move, commenting, “I don’t think that it means much within the scope of things other than his stating a position without a valid examination.”

The article contains no additional quotes from the NCCU law professor, leaving the reader to guess just how Joyner determined that Obama had not conducted a “valid examination” of affairs. Does the NAACP’s designated case monitor believe that only those who agree with his bland pro-prosecution perspective have conducted a “valid examination”?

Murphy, meanwhile, suggests that the accuser’s “civil rights” have been violated, though, as with Joyner’s critique of Obama, she supplies no details to sustain her assertion. She also expresses her concern about the North Carolina Bar, noting that “this case is being described as a ‘fraud,’ etc. by lawyers—officers of the court who are ethically obligated not to lie or mislead the public.”

Could it be that it’s because the State Bar—an organization composed of “officers of the court who are ethically obligated not to lie or mislead the public”—has cited Mike Nifong for “misrepresentation” and “fraud” that Obama, a lawyer himself, felt compelled to act? Murphy doesn’t say. Instead, she implies that by faulting Nifong for issuing misleading, inflammatory public statements and withholding exculpatory DNA evidence in violation of three North Carolina laws, the Bar acted improperly.

The adjunct instructor also argues that “Obama should call for a full disclosure of all the facts before anyone passes judgment n this case.” Coming from a person who has fantasized about the “broomstick DNA” solving the case amidst a parade of no fewer than 18 errors of fact in her public commentary on the case, this demand is particularly ironic.

Obtaining criticism from the likes of Joyner and Murphy is further confirmation that Obama did the right thing.

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For those who wanted a comprehensive review of the issue, they could have turned to the Chronicle, which interviewed two Duke law profs.

Jim Coleman: "I think Rep. Jones called for a national investigation independently of any ethical violation."

Thomas Metzloff: "That's their job, and I don't think it's inappropriate for politicians to ask these kinds of questions at all."

73 comments:

Anonymous said...

I don't know about anyone else but I just finished pre-ordering 3 copies of KC's (and Taylor's) forthcoming book off Amazon.

Anonymous said...

The Amsterdam News is at the bottom of the journalistic hierarchy. This is the paper that printed the name of the Central Park Jogger/rape victim repeatedly. The mere presence of Alton Maddox's name here tells me all I need to know about the editorial temperment of this rag. The fact that Irving Joyner and Wendy Murphy are mentioned in the same article as the disbarred and disgraced Mr. Maddox provides the appropriate context with which to view their behavior.

Tall T

becket03 said...

Some comfort can be taken from the fact that Murphy has been reduced to "expert" status at a notoriously unserious rag like the Amsterdam News.

Her days of riding high as a TV network and national weekly magazine "expert" seem to be over. There's good reason to hope that she's damaged her reputation so badly by her falsehood laced "legal analysis" of the case that she'll sink into permanent obscurity once it's over, making future media appearances only as a defendant in the libel lawsuits I sincerely pray Rae "Wrong families" Evans and company bring against her.

beckett

Sean said...

KC - Did you catch the article on Salon about Rachel Marsden? Here's an excerpt on her Hoax opinion:

Her colleagues may have been momentarily tortured by Marsden's loose tongue, but whether they knew it or not, they had been sticking it to her just the night before, when they brought up the Duke rape case. Gutfeld had asked what should happen to the accuser if all charges are finally dropped, and Marsden had jumped in with unusual speed, pooh-poohing possible repercussions for the woman who claimed she was raped by members of the Duke University lacrosse team a year ago. "Charges are laid, charges are dropped," said Marsden. "It happens all the time. Unless she can get charged with mischief and they can prove she lied, then no, [she shouldn't be punished]. That's the process and the process works." But, argued Gutfeld, "Don't you think that being accused of rape is as bad as being raped? Those guys' lives were ruined!" Marsden bit back, "Let's give it 10 years and see if their lives were ruined."
link to article

Deklan Singh said...

I gotta say that I couldn't imagine any reparations that would satisfy me if I had been railroaded in such a way. However, hearing Nifong ask me, "Do you want fries with that?" would be close.

Jim said...

Alton Maddox, professional panderer:

"Whenever a Black person is accused of committing a heinous crime against a white person, white legislators immediately enact repressive legislation. Whenever a white person commits a heinous crime against a Black person, Black leaders only call for police-approved marches..."

Anonymous said...

**citing legal “experts” attacking Illinois senator Barack Obama for urging a Justice Department inquiry into Mike Nifong’s misconduct.**
LET'S CONTINUE THIS "EXAMINATION".
Black people need to believe Barack Obama's support for justice and not the NAACP attempt to inflict injustice. Can Obama beat the NAACP?

Deklan Singh said...

KC, please tell me that you can release the book with a few novelty covers and add-ins!

Maybe you could tack on Waheema Lubiano as a contributing author to a special edition of the book. Of course, that book would be entitled "Forthcoming : The Story of the Rightful Conviction of the Duke Lacrosse Players" and filled with nothing but blank pages.

gs said...

You would think at this point that Joyner and Wendy M. would be quite. Their opinions in this case will be like an albatross around their necks.
Who will take them seriously at this point?

I'm only surprised that Maddox did not get a quote from Georgia G.!

Anonymous said...

Obama's inquiry on MIke Nifong's misconduct and then hopefully, the false accuser's fantastic lies means alot for completely exonerated the Duke 3.
Can Barack Obama be the legal expert?

Anonymous said...

A little off-topic but too good not to bring up...ADA in Durham takes a new job:

http://www.heraldsun.com/durham/4-833997.cfm

Durham assistant DA to lead state panel







By John Stevenson : The Herald-Sun
jstevenson@heraldsun.com
Mar 28, 2007 : 10:57 pm ET

DURHAM -- Durham Assistant District Attorney Kendra Montgomery-Blinn next month will become the first executive director of North Carolina's new Innocence Inquiry Commission, which reportedly is the first agency of its kind in the country and is intended to protect innocent people from languishing behind bars.

The Legislature established the Raleigh-based commission last year to investigate claims of actual innocence by inmates convicted of crimes.

Lawmakers believed it was needed because of defendants like Alan Gell, who spent more than seven years on death row for a murder in which he later was exonerated....

A graduate of Purdue University with a law degree from Duke, Montgomery-Blinn has been with the Durham District Attorney's Office for three years, most recently specializing in domestic violence cases....

Montgomery-Blinn said Wednesday she was excited about her new position, but also sad to leave her current job.

She added that she has "great respect" for District Attorney Mike Nifong and was "absolutely not" departing because of turmoil surrounding the Duke lacrosse sex-offense case....

Anonymous said...

Until Proven Innocent: Political Correctness and the Shameful Injustices of the Duke Lacrosse Rape Case (Hardcover)
by Stuart Taylor (Author), KC Johnson (Author)

Did you consider not using the word rape or using the word non-rape?

gak said...

Sean said...
KC - Did you catch the article on Salon about Rachel Marsden?


And Fox is PROUD of her....Fox VALUES her...Dear God what has happened to the world. I think its time to put my name on the news hounds petiition. Nothing in what I've read on the 4 main blogs of this case scares me as much as that.

Anonymous said...

Alton Maddox has a web site maintaining that Tawana Brawley was, in fact, raped in the woods for a week by a half-dozen bad white policemens, who successfully covered up the crime and persecuted Maddox for his role in championing poor Tawana.

http://www.reinstatealtonmaddox.com/

Check out his "Tawana Brawley FAQ," for the foulest lies and fantasies this side of Mars.

It's all you need to know in order to place the appropriate "value" on his comments in the Duke case.

And of course, it is true: The Duke/Nifing/CGM "rape" case is every bit as legitimate as the Tawana Brawley "rape" case.

Anonymous said...

When does CGM get her tuition check from Rev. Jackson????

Anonymous said...

JLS says....

re: anon 11:48

Wow, what a political tin ears they have in NC??? Appointing someone from Nifong's office, someone stupid enough to claim great respect for Nifong publically to an Innocence Commission is foolish.

This is wrong on so many levels:

1. If your DA is railroading people and everyone knows it, you don't even apply for such a position because you know you wont get it.

2. If such a commission wants credibility with the public, it would never hire an employee of Nifong.

3. Even if you foolishly applied and the commission foolishly hired you despite common sense, you certainly do not comment on a DA up on bar charges for fraud when taking such a position.

As I said, tin ears politically.

gak said...

Anonymous said...
Alton Maddox has a web site maintaining that Tawana Brawley was, in fact, raped in the woods for a week by a half-dozen bad white policemens, who successfully covered up the crime and persecuted Maddox for his role in championing poor Tawana.


Whats the best source for an overview of this case and Maddox loosing his license???

Anonymous said...

gak, wikipedia has the story and related web sites and material.

Anonymous said...

Please somebody, make Wendy go away. I can't take much more of her.

Anonymous said...

Hello? Nifong's ADA is nominated, then named to this innnocence council? And she says she has all the respect for Nifong? And this isn't a set-up? This is a huge PR ploy to de-contaminate Nifong's DA office. Get real.

Anonymous said...

Will someone tell me how I find K C's future book on Amazon? Thanks in advance.

Texas Retired Lawyer/Professor

gak said...

From this article
This morning’s Amsterdam News—last heard from on the case, somewhat appropriately, through an op-ed from the disbarred Alton Maddox, one of Tawana Brawley’s former attorneys— features an article citing legal “experts” attacking Illinois senator Barack Obama for urging a Justice Department inquiry into Mike Nifong’s misconduct.

It is very telling that when I googled this newspaper, and hit the link, I got a warning that the site could be damaging to my computer.

bill anderson said...

K.C., remember that Cash Michaels was the author of that article in Amsterdam News, which used to be a respected publication. Unfortunately, it has been taken over by the Alton Maddox enablers of journalism.

Joyner and Murphy seem to have a zero batting average in this case. Guess that is what makes them "experts."

Anonymous said...

Check this out.

Mikey's at it again

wayne fontes said...

The circle of enablers keeps getting a smaller. I doubt Cash could write an article without quotes from Joyner and Murphy. At this point I think there are more holacaust deniers than there are people who are willing to say the lax players are guilty.

Anonymous said...

To GAK:

The best source on the Tawana Brawley case is a book called "Outrage: The Story Behind the Tawana Brawley Hoax," written by a group of NY Times reporters. It's still available on Amazon, at inexpensive prices for used copies.

I re-read it when the Nifong case began to stink, and the parallels are chilling -- and instructive.

"Outrage" is interesting in its coverage, as a sort of sub-plot, of the way local black opinion slowly, finally began to evolve in the case -- despite the avalanche of false and inflammatory reports by the Amsterday News and others, and of course the daily lies and harangues by Maddox, Mason and Sharpton. One of the authors is a black woman, who kept her finger on the pulse.

But, for an overview, the Wikipedia entry on Tawana Brawley isn't bad.

Anonymous said...

Meanwhile, DNA has cleared another man
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070328/ap_on_re_us/dna_exoneration_suit;_ylt=Ago.g8riDsyjcXP4AGAZQqJvzwcF

PITTSBURGH - A man freed from prison after 18 years when DNA evidence failed to link him to a 1988 murder sued police Wednesday claiming they violated his civil rights.

[How about linking three men to a rape when their DNA does not match?]

(snip)

The lawsuit names six Allegheny County detectives, the county and one of Whitley's former attorneys. It claims Whitley was subject to malicious prosecution and denied a fair trial because he is black.

[How about being denied a fair trial because of your race,gender,and class?]

(snip)
Evidence that could have cleared Whitley, including footprints in the snow, a hat and saliva on the mask, was ignored, according to the lawsuit.

[How about ignored evidence that includes photos, witnesses, time-stamped documents, etc.?]

"We must hold accountable those responsible for the violation of his civil rights, the malicious prosecution by which those rights were violated, and the flawed legal counsel that allowed it all to happen," his lawyer, Lawrence Fisher, said in an e-mail.

Anonymous said...

Anon 1:46

Old news - black on black murder, a young girl out at 11 at night, no one saw anything, the mayor is "Uutraged, outraged!", Chalmers phoned in his response from whatever resort he is currently in, and life, for those of us not right in thugland, goes on. The previous weekend a 14 year old boy was shot at a stripmall, there were a dozen witnesses, curiously, once again, no one saw anything. But Nifong can sure charge the innocent, he has proved that!

Anonymous said...

One question for Irving Joyner - if these were black football players who were excluded by their DNA, would he be demanding a trial?

Anonymous said...

Beckett- Hope you are right about Murphy. Locamotive Breath says on the day the charges are dropped, those who want should order another KC book to push it over the top on the best sellers list. I will do so as giving all the lawyers in the family a copy for Xmas.

Anonymous said...

Will Chambers be returning to Durham for his retirement party or just sending a DVD?

Locomotive Breath said...

OT, but...

Is this the source of Lubiano's quotes in the infamous listening ad?

http://www.indyweek.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A29677

Danielle Terrazas Williams: This is not a different experience for us here at Duke University. We go to class with racist classmates, we go to gym with people who are racists. That's not special for us.

locomotive breath said...

I guess I should read all the comments. The WSJ recently had an article on how easy publicists had found it to manipulate the Amazon best seller rankings. Apparently even if a relatively small number of people buy the book on the same day it's enough to influence the rankings for that day and several thereafter.

I've proposed that all of us who are buying a copy do so on the day that the charges are dropped so as to give a big boost to that news.

Locomotive breath said...

Hadn't looked at the listening add in a while. I had forgotten they had a citation for that one. Never mind.

gak said...

RE: Locomotive breath, from your hyperlink

Stan Williams: It's part of the experience.

D. Williams: That's part of the experience of going to a predominantly white school.

Audrey Christopher: White frat parties, and inappropriate language.

S. Williams: They always have inappropriate parties. I mean, there was the Viva Mexico party, with Green Card passes to get in.


I'm sure that white girl who claimed she was raped at the black frat party where drugs were found has a lot of sympathy and empathy for Audrey Christopher and S. Williams. Always the agenda, its a shame

Anonymous said...

You mean affirmative legal experts don't you?

Anonymous said...

Carolyn says:

Sean at 11:08: What IS it with this Duke rape case bringing all of the hypocrites out of the closet?

First the Gang of 88 screams intolerance while keeping quiet about the innocent students they flunk and want to castrate. Then Professor Baker howls about the horror of Crystal's 'rape' while keeping quiet about his own attempt at same with one of his own graduate students. But FOX's 'valued' reporter Rachel Marsden takes the cake by sneering on TV that Crystal shouldn't have to pay for lying - while keeping quiet that Rachel herself never paid for having an innocent college coach fired because she lied about him sexually harassing her. In fact, the college paid Rachel!

The one consistent thing of all these hypocrites is the loud screams they make as they lie - then the dead silence afterwards when their lies are exposed.

(Of course, if I were a Duke mom of one of the accused, it wouldn't be just the SILENCE I'd want dead.)

rod allison, detroit said...

Irv Joyner and Wendy Murphy are in competition to see who can be the "Baghdad Bob" of the Duke Lacrosse Hoax.

Anonymous said...

So North Carolina chooses as the head of its Innocence Commission a lawyer with a whopping 3 years' experience -- 3 years under the direction and supervision of a lawyer currently under indictment by the NC Bar for withholding exculpatory evidence. Geez. Makes you wonder about the qualifications of the people NC turned down for the job.

jamil hussein said...

Maybe you could tack on Waheema Lubiano as a contributing author to a special edition of the book. Of course, that book would be entitled

Here's an idea: Let's make KC's book mandatory reading material for Duke professors. All faculty must pass the mandatory "equal rights" course. Petition to Duke?

disgruntled said...

Here's a link to the Amazon.com page for the forthcoming book by KC Johnson and Stuart Taylor.

Until Proven Innocent: Political Correctness and the Shameful Injustices of the Duke Lacrosse Rape Case

Anonymous said...

Of all people, Wendy Murphy, an expert? I saw her on the Glenn Beck show, I instantly change the channel. She is also one of the enablers of this hoax. Now she states that the accusers civil rights were violated, go figure. Don't watch Glenn Beck anymore, with people like Wendy on there.

Anonymous said...

Re:

"Beckett- Hope you are right about Murphy. Locamotive Breath says on the day the charges are dropped, those who want should order another KC book to push it over the top on the best sellers list. I will do so as giving all the lawyers in the family a copy for Xmas."


But, keep in mind that multiple orders sometimes generate a little asterisk in best-seller lists, creating a perception that the purchase numbers are being manipulated. Of course, I hope KC and Stuart Taylor have great success with their book (I've already ordered one), but if you want to buy multiple copies, buy them on different days, IMO.

gak said...
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gak said...

Carolyn says:
Then Professor Baker howls about the horror of Crystal's 'rape' while keeping quiet about his own attempt at same with one of his own graduate students.


Is this documented on the web somewhere. I missed this in my readings on the 4 main blogs I read? Which Baker (L or H), When??

Anonymous said...

Got this from Amazon sales ranking-KCs Until Proven Innocent is at 1,789 - coming out 9/07
Coach Pressler's Its Not About the Truth at 40,500 - coming out 6/07
Thugnigga Mark Anthony Neal's book that came out 7/06 is at 619,770
The lower the number, the more sales of the book.
Keep on Truckin Blog Hooligans.

Georgia Girl said...

One more time... please POST this ... if for no other reason than to keep a "balance" in here:

[quote]: Gutfeld: "Don't you think that being accused of rape is as bad as being raped? Those guys' lives were ruined! Marsden bit back, "Let's give it 10 years and see if their lives were ruined."

I think that Marsden is correct. I belive the lax 3 will be part of the "good ol boys" within 10 years (both socially and career wise). Perhaps they will even applauded.

I also believe that being "accused of rape" is not nearly as damaging as actual rape.

Georgia Girl said...

Reading between the lines:

gs (aka anon) comes across as "personally involved" in the Duke non-rape scandal. I'm so sorry for what happened to him (and/or his friends).

I have personal questions I'd like to ask him regarding email if he should choose to identify himself.

Anonymous said...

Georgia girl says:

I also believe that being "accused of rape" is not nearly as damaging as actual rape.


Once the accusation is clearly shown to be false, you're no doubt correct.

But it's widely held that to accuse someone of a crime of which you know they are innocent is the moral equivalent of committing that crime yourself. This ties in closely with the notion that the punishment for a crime is typically intended to be as severe as what the victim suffered. ("An eye for an eye ...")

By this standard, both CGM and Nifong are guilty of serious crimes.

Anonymous said...

@ Georgia Girl

I am a man. I can have no realistic idea how awful rape is to the woman who experiences it. But I can make an analogy. I am not dead so I have no realisitic idea how awful being murdered is, but I imagine that I would find being murdered more distasteful than being accused of murder.

On the basis of that analogy, I am willing to concede your point: being raped is quite probably worse than being accused of rape. But being falsely accused of rape is still a an AWFUL thing to happen to anyone. And I am not sure in my own mind that it is all that distant from rape: humiliation, physical fear, lack of control, fear of loss of status and respect, and on and on.

To excuse, as I am sure you do not intend but as you appear to do, a false accusation of rape because a man may (possibly) be able to overcome that wrong more easily than a woman can overcome the wrong of rape, an assumption that is at best debatable, is to ignore that gratuitous harm to any individual is morally indefensible.

In any case, as the old saying has it, two wrongs do not make a right. These three young men and their families have been put through hell on earth for no reason except that some whore did not want to go to the drunk tank and some DA wanted to increase his pension. If these young men can put their lives back together in ten years, why do you find that unfortunate? It will not help any woman who was raped to punish innocent men. As a man, I hope any woman who was raped can put her life back together in far fewer than ten years.

JeffM

Anonymous said...

Durham Assistant District Attorney Kendra Montgomery-Blinn next month will become the first executive director of North Carolina's new Innocence Inquiry Commission, which reportedly is the first agency of its kind in the country and is intended to protect innocent people from languishing behind bars.
....
A graduate of Purdue University with a law degree from Duke, Montgomery-Blinn has been with the Durham District Attorney's Office for three years, most recently specializing in domestic violence cases....

She added that she has "great respect" for District Attorney Mike Nifong and was "absolutely not" departing because of turmoil surrounding the Duke lacrosse sex-offense case....


Unbelievable. Male-haters have hatefully exploited domestic violence and have made domestic violence prosecution a travesty of due process.

rod allison, detroit said...

Its a long way until the book is out. Don't pay any attention to the Amazon sales rank for now. I've watched them for a long time and its impossible to read anything into pre-release figures.

Come September, it will be on all bestsellers lists. I'll read it cover to cover the first day.

There is so much going for it.

The authors are the best; KC and Stuart Taylor.

The subject matter is so deep and rich, it goes way beyond even a good crime book, such as "A case of Self Defense" (the Goetz case) or "Senatorial Privilige" (Chappaquidick).

In this case you have an alleged rape at an elite campus, gross prosecutorial misconduct, racial politics and demagoguery, MSM cluelessness/cheerleading, radical faculty and their agenda, and what may be the Stalingrad of the New York Times.

Its a real-life Tom Wolfe novel.

To borrow a phrase from renown thoroughbred handicapper Andrew Beyer, this book is a three star mortal lock.

rod allison, detroit said...

Quick correction; the book on the Goetz case was " A crime of self defense" by George Fletcher.

Anonymous said...

Looks like KC's book has already been "tagged" at Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Until-Proven-Innocent-Correctness-Injustices/dp/0312369123/ref=sr_1_1/103-3674850-9768648?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1175202100&sr=1-1

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Georgia Girl said...

Jeff to Georgia Girl:

"...If these young men can put their lives back together in ten years, why do you find that unfortunate? It will not help any woman who was raped to punish innocent men. As a man, I hope any woman who was raped can put her life back together in far fewer than ten years".

Jeff, I find it neither fortunate nor unfortunate. "Within 10 years" was a Marsden quote with which I agreed, that's all.

Also, Jeff, many times a rape victim cannot put her life together within 10 years, particularly if that victim remains silent without recourse. One example I can readily give you, besides my own experience, is Liz Seccuro. Oh, sure... she made a life for herself out of necessity, but did she ever forget the damange? well, you know the rest

Anonymous said...

JLS says....

Let see:

1. Raped:

A. Alive
B. Possibly damaged in your sexual relations with men forever.
C. A feeling of violation and your feeling of safety undermined possibly for ever.

2. Falsely accused of rape:

A. Alive.
B. Possily damaged in your sexual relations with women forever.
C. A feeling of violations and your feeling of safety undermined possibly forever.
D. Possibly convicted and incarcerated.
E. Unable to get a professional job.
F. Required to register your address with the state and where you live restricted.
G. Your name and possibly your picture listed in internet sexual criminal data bases.
H. You may be required to mail you picture to your neighbor or post fliers around you new neighborhood whenever you move.

Now it is possible that a rape vicitm might also not be able to maintain a professional level of employment. And certainly a rape victim may be physically assaulted in other ways, but then a falsely accused of rape victim may find themselves assaulted by the police or while incarcerated also. One might also note that I have treated fear safety from criminals being undermined with fear of safety from the state being undermined at the same. I am not sure they are.

Everyone can put their own values on the damage done by both rape and false accusations and if anyone wants to add any they feel I omitted please do.

gak said...

Georgia Girl said
I also believe that being "accused of rape" is not nearly as damaging as actual rape.


I believe you may be right physically, but mentally, I'm not sure. JLS makes a good point in that the consequences are great, but the thing nobody sees is the doors that close on these guys without them being aware that they were ever open to begin with. Dave Evans already lost a job with JP Morgan Chase I think. How many other companies will not even give him an interview because his name is associated with this case. How much lower will he have to start just to prove himself and then only to hit a glass ceiling because of it. My point, its not as cut and dried as you think.

gak

Anonymous said...

Georgia Girl is a kook.

Anonymous said...

A real rape must be terrifying - particulary in this day and age. The rapist also want to kill you or write your name on your forehead with a pen knife.

Georgia Girl said...

Am I hearing violins or what?

Listen, I agree with much of what's been said about the woes facing the lax 3, but please understand that I am not sympathetic to their plight in life. I am as indifferent to their situation as they are to mine.

Is Nifong a jerk? Yes! Are the guys innocent of rape? Yes!

I'm a white privileged female who was raped by a white privileged male.

If I tend to over-react, keep in mind that I'm just a woman.

MTU'76 said...

Jeff and Georgia girl you are both right and you know it. I will never forget the Yad Veshum gardens, especially the way they looked at night while I "with someone" who had a gun (and I didn't.) Well, that was a long long time ago.

You want to talk about the violation of civil rights? Yes we do indeed. The following might be off topic for the Dukies but why not check it out. Sgt Deric Hale, USMC (ret.)

Here's the first item I saw about Derek Hale
http://www.freemarketnews.com/Analysis/97/7199/radley.asp?nid=7199&wid=97

Death Squad in Delaware: The Case of the Murdered Marine
http://www.lewrockwell.com/grigg/grigg-w10.html

Hale, a retired Marine Sergeant who served two tours in Iraq and was decorated before his combat-related medical discharge in January 2006, was murdered by a heavily armed 8–12-member undercover police team in Wilmington, Delaware last November 6. He had come to Wilmington from his home in Manassas, Virginia to participate in a Toys for Tots event.

Last Friday (May 23) sic [Mar 23], the Rutherford Institute – one of the precious few nominally conservative activist groups that gives half a damn about individual liberty – and a private law firm in Virginia filed a civil rights lawsuit against several Delaware law enforcement and political officials on behalf of Derek's widow and parents. They really should consider including key officials from the Virginia State Police in the suit, as well.

Georgia Girl said...

I read most the article on Derek Hale ... really horrifying to be killed by the country for which you served.

Gary Packwood said...

rod allison, detroit 4:24 said...
...Irv Joyner and Wendy Murphy are in competition to see who can be the "Baghdad Bob" of the Duke Lacrosse Hoax.
___

I forgot about Baghdad Bob. Yeeze.

Suppose when the charges are dropped we can issue a Baghdad Bob award for the most persistent and pure baloney said over the longest period of time?

Gary Packwood said...

Anonymous 12:36 said...
...When does CGM get her tuition check from Rev. Jackson????
___

Usually tuition checks go directly to the university and the student can't add classes and then drop the classes and ask for a refund.

Bummer.

Anonymous said...

For those of you who have any question about Rachael Marsden and her history - please read the story at Salon. A lot of things in life are difficult and heart wrenching but losing a child, being enslaved or a concentration camp survivor is about the worse. KC - don't be mad - I am really tired of the rape stories from all parties, including gg and Ruthie.

Cedarford said...

wayne fontes said...
The circle of enablers keeps getting a smaller. I doubt Cash could write an article without quotes from Joyner and Murphy. At this point I think there are more holacaust deniers than there are people who are willing to say the lax players are guilty.


Well said, and funny, if the presumption is that any skepticism of any Holocaust "accepted facts" constitute the gold standard of Wendy Murphy irrational "Denial!" We have to be careful.

While there are reasons some seek to lump "Holocaust denial" in with "alien abduction", after Marxism invented PC enforced by a Makarov, then came PC Holocaust denial laws. Under Euro Law, any questioning any aspect of the data or methodology of WWWII slaughters was permissible - unless it impacted Jewish numbers and claims.

Laws Europe passed barring any question of Holocaust numbers, making anti-semitism illegal and even applied to anyone questioning Israeli policies from 1948-67, or the role of Jews in the Communist Democides make them - along with Marxist PC - the big grandfathers of the "immunity by victimhood" amulet that Houston Baker, Karla Holloway, Wendy Murphy now claim as a basis for their legitimacy in mau mau-ing non-victimhood amulet wearing citizens.

The American Left drew on the Soviet Marxist PC laws, and the European criminal laws on anti-Semitism and Holocaust denial in crafting American PC and speech code laws on race, gender, and class identity.

To be truly open, one must accept that any group claim should be treated skeptically and not forced by correctness or law to accept the automatic, unchallenged truth of such "victim groups" claims.

That many black females are raped should not require us to accept ALL claims valid, that they are without controversy and should be accepted unthinkingly. Or, otherwise, we are PC criminals...

On Jews, perhaps less were killed, deliberately, than in the Ukraine engineered famine. Or active Christians in the USSR and Europe liquidated on that danger to the State. "Holocaust deniers" in a PC/criminal sense - include many present day Russian and Euro historians that put the figure up to 3 million lower (a violation of some county's laws)

Israel itself acknowledges that it is willing to work and be friends with past perps of great democides. Even Turkey, where it is a crime - 180 DEG opposite PC - to mention the Armenian genocide.

Not that I would recommend it as a great conversation starter...

What will set Lefty teeth grinding more than old Marxist or "Jews as the only victims" rhetoric would be equating Cash and Wendy Murphy to the remnants of the dwindling band of Nixon backers once the smoking gun of Watergate came out..

Anonymous said...

Carolyn says:

To Gak at 6:44: The "Baker" I am referring to is Houston Baker. Several years ago he traveled from Duke to New York to attend a conference and was accompanied by a Duke female graduate student. While in New York, word suddenly came that the female student was claiming Professor Baker had tried to assault her. It was serious enough that one of the Deans of Duke flew at once to New York to investigate the situation. From that point on, there's been dead silence from both Baker, the Dean and the graduate student.

My apologies for not locating exactly where I read this - my skills at searching the web are pathetic at best.

Anonymous said...

I read this story also, however I no longer take rape or sexual harrassment stories at face value anylong. Lets see the evidence. Its clear to me that females have a lot of license to yell rape, etc. I am a female -this has gone to far.

Anonymous said...

KC, as I read your factually incorrect comments about Ruth Sheehan, I sense an effort on your part to "rehabilitate" her. I don't know why you are doing this, but I for one am hoping your out of character flight from reason regarding Truthless does not make its way into your sure to be great book.

Sweetmick

joe sweet said...

Senator Kennedy, I'd like to nominate Barack Obama for the distinguished "Profiles in Courage" award for his stance in the Duke Rape Hoax. I realize this award is meant for pols who have the "guts" to raise taxes (e.g. Ct's Lowell Weicker), but believe it or not, courage encompasses more than just tax hikes.

Mr. Obama had the courage to view the facts and come to a rational, honest conclusion - that a Federal investigation of this case is warranted. With his stance, the Presidential hopeful is taking on the lunatic fringe element of the Democrat party, and that takes real guts. This is a voting block so blinded by bigotry and malice against "white male privilege" that none of the hard core mouthpieces in the MSM have budged an inch on the rape allegations, despite the False Accuser's denial of a rape.

For having the intestinal fortitude to take on the "something happened" crowd of potbangers and handwringers while participating in a Presidential race speaks volumes about this man, Mr. Obama. If this isn't a full "Profiles in Courage" chapter, I don't know what is!

gak said...

Georgia Girl said...

Listen, I agree with much of what's been said about the woes facing the lax 3, but please understand that I am not sympathetic to their plight in life. I am as indifferent to their situation as they are to mine.


Then can I assume that you want them to pay because you had to? Thats just wrong.

scott said...

How ridiculous is it that NC has appointed someone who has proclaimed "great respect" for D.A.M.N., a prosecutor who attempted to turn innocent men into guilty men, to a position that has been created for the purpose of determining if "guilty" men are actually "innocent?

NC deserves all the denigration people are heaping on us about the rampant stupidity that is going on. As a taxpaying citizen who believes the guilty should pay, I hope NC gets blasted by legal action from the LAX players along with all the other bad actors in this farce.

Georgia Girl said...

gak, that would be a grossly wrong assumption.