Monday, September 10, 2007

Unanswered Questions

As the blog winds down, I thought it might be interesting to turn to questions that remain unanswered in the case. It’s possible that information on some of these matters will come to light, especially if a criminal investigation occurs. I suspect, however, that the questions about Duke will never be answered.

Durham D.A’s Office

1.) It came out during the Mike Nifong ethics hearing that the ex-DA was planning to prosecute the case alongside ADA Tracey Cline (who still works for the office). How many conversations did Cline and Nifong have about the lacrosse case—and how much support did Cline provide for Nifong’s efforts?

2.) Why did Nifong—who had to have known that he needed a biased judge to get the case to trial—consent to the appointment of Judge Smith, who (unlike, say, Judge Ron Stephens) he couldn’t be sure would always rule in his favor?

3.) Did—as some defense attorneys believed—Stephens and Nifong have ex parte conversations about the case before the first two indictments?

4.) What sort of conversations occurred between Nifong and Linwood Wilson in the days before the Dec. 21 “interview,” in which Wilson and Mangum produced a wholly new version of events, one that minimized the importance of DNA?

Durham Police Department

1.) Just how did Sgt. Mark Gottlieb manage to wrest control of the case on March 14-March 15—and why did his superiors, who had been alerted of his abusive behavior toward Duke students, not assign someone else to head up the investigation?

2.) What, precisely, did Gottlieb tell the grand jury on April 17, 2006?

3.) Who ordered or authorized Cpl. David Addison to go on his March 24-March 26 slander spree, when he asserted, among other things, “You are looking at one victim brutally raped. If that was someone else’s daughter, child, I don’t think 46 (tests) would be a large enough number to figure out exactly who did it”; “Addison said police approached the lacrosse team with the five-page search warrant on March 16, but that all of the members refused to cooperate with the investigation”; There is “really, really strong physical evidence”; and “We’re not saying that all 46 were involved. But we do know that some of the players inside that house on that evening knew what transpired and we need them to come forward.”

4.) How involved was Deputy Chief Ron Hodge in the pre-indictment investigation; and what was the basis for his April 11, 2006 remark to MSNBC that “I don’t think we would be here if it wasn't (a strong case)”?

5.) Why, exactly, did Police Chief Steve Chalmers decide to totally absent himself from departmental affairs (with the odd rationalization that he had to look after his mother, who lived in Durham, hardly someplace inaccessible) during the highest-profile investigation in his department’s history; and why did City Manager Patrick Baker allow Chalmers to do so?

Duke

1.) Did President Brodhead clear with the University Counsel’s office his summer 2006 response to Friends of Duke, in which he asserted that a trial would present an opportunity “for our students to be proved innocent”?

2.) President Brodhead met with a delegation of African-American Studies faculty on April 3, 2006. If he could do things over again, would he have urged them to be sure that the Group of 88’s statement at least paid lip service to principles of due process?

3.) Why, even though he had been informed of in-class harassment of lacrosse players at an April 6, 2006 meeting with coaches, did neither President Brodhead nor anyone in his administration interview any of the lacrosse players to determine the truth of the issue?

4.) It has been widely rumored that multiple drafts of the Group of 88's ad exist, and that the Chronicle required some items to be toned down before printing the document. What was the language of the ad, as originally drafted by Wahneema Lubiano? And what evidence did Lubiano present to the Chronicle to substantiate the assertion that the ad received formal endorsement from five Duke academic departments?

5.) What, precisely, was the relationship between the Duke and Durham police forces between March 24, 2006 and early April 2006? We know now that at least two (previously unannounced) meetings between representatives of the two forces occurred.

6.) Why did her superiors at the Duke University Medical Center not doublecheck SANE nurse-in-training Tara Levicy’s work once it became clear that she was an incompetent ideologue? And what transpired at the June 2006 meeting between Nifong, Levicy, and Levicy’s supervisor, Teresa Arico—for which no notes were ever produced?

Crystal Mangum

What, precisely, was Mangum’s relationship with NCCU? How many courses had she really taken? Was she ever really a full-time student?

[And, picking up on the suggestion in the comment thread, I invite people to submit their own unanswered questions; will post the better ones later this week.]

171 comments:

Anonymous said...

I don't know if you have seen this but here is an interesting summary of the situation revealed in the Duke Hoax. An excellent read.
http://globalpolitician.com/articledes.asp?ID=3364&cid=1&sid=104

Anonymous said...

Phenix City, Alabama. Durham, North Carolina. Decades apart, is the corruption just as deep. When will the federal prosecutors do their job and launch a criminal investigation of the city of Durham and the Durham police department?

Anonymous said...

KC, if we're going to have an "Unanswered Questions" period, how about one for all us commenters -- We have far more than you do. :)

Anonymous said...

How about what did Himan tell his grand jury?

Jim in San Diego said...

Other unanswered questions:

1. Durham local government, local media, and other community leaders (NAACP, school leaders): why did no one make any attempt to inform the electorate that due process required that defendants be presumed innocent until proven guilty, and not the other way around? Or, that the purpose of a trial is not to give an accuser a chance to tell her story, or have the defendants prove their innocence?

2. Durham Judges: What were judges Ron Stevens and Marsha Morey doing cheerleading for Mike Niphong at and after his criminal contempt conviction? And, is it commonly understood by Durham judges that it is important for attorneys to be candid in court at trial, but not before?

Anonymous said...

Crystal's children - where are her kids. If she had mental problems substantial enough so she could not be indicted, is the state of NC allowing her to keep her kids???

Anonymous said...

JLS says....,

I have an answer to some and a bunch more of such questions.

The answer first. What was said to the grand juries was that Mangum said she was raped and she IDed Finnerty and Seligmann and she was pretty sure of Evans and he was connected to her by DNA. That is plenty for an indictment. Nifong did not have to have any official lie for an indictment.

Now one to other questions:

1. Why did the Durham access intake nurse suggest to Mangum she was raped? Did this nurse know Mangum was a nut job and want to pass her on to someone else? Or is the a common part of the intake process?

2. What is Mangum's relationship if any to previous NC NAACP leaders of the same last name? Is she related to past or current movers and shakers in the NC NAACP and did that cause the NC NAACP to become so anti-defendants rights in this case?

3. Why was Mangum given such a sweetheart plea bargain when when she previoulsy ran afould with the law and was originally charged with things like assaut and attempted murder of a police officer? Is this related to question 2?

4. Why was Judge Stephens so interested the security of Mangum's phone? Was this a general worry that Durham officials might have their numbers on that phone or was he trying to protect someone in particular?

5. What was on the DPD police radio tape the night and early morning of the incident that required that it be erased despite or maybe with the assistance of Stephens nod and wink order that it be preserved that did nothing to preserve it.

6. What did Duke do internally to penalize or at least warn its faculty to stop grade retaliation?

7. How much has Duke paid in settlements so far?

I doubt many people even read this far in my post. I could go on and on with questions that are so far unanswered about this mess.

Anonymous said...

How many times did Nofing meet with CGM off the record, when, and what was discussed?

Did the DPD and/or someone in the DAs office coerce or coach CGM to make an ID in the taped session?

In Durham, who is responsible for investigating alledged crimes and who is responsible for procescuting cases? Who is resonsible for justice and who is subject to checks and limits commonly understood to flow from constitutional protections?

Who autorized the destruction of tapes? What else has been destroyed?

Jim in San Diego said...

Some additional questions:

3. Why was Kim's bail reduced when she changed her story from "its a crock" to "something might have happened?

4. Why was the cab driver witness prosecuted over old, dubious allegations, when he would not change his story supporting the player's alibi?

Anonymous said...

12:43 -- PD's tape reuse policy recycles tapes every 60 days unless the tape is pulled for longer retention. PD claimed, through Nifong, that by the time the official court order was issued on 5/18 -- they tape(s) had already been recycled/written over.

The defense motion asking for the retention of the tapes was filed in late April or early May -- either Nifong/Stephens didn't read and pass the request along to PD in time or ....

Anonymous said...

12:43 -- PD's tape reuse policy recycles tapes every 60 days unless the tape is pulled for longer retention. PD claimed, through Nifong, that by the time the official court order was issued on 5/18 -- they tape(s) had already been recycled/written over.

The defense motion asking for the retention of the tapes was filed in late April or early May -- either Nifong/Stephens didn't read and pass the request along to PD in time or ....

Anonymous said...

TEST

Anonymous said...

QUESTION: Who was responsible for the "sting" e-mail? This was the e-mail that appeared to originate from the account of one of the players, and "informed" his teammates that he was sick of "covering up" and would be going to the police to tell them who was responsible for the "crime".

Of course, since there was no "crime" committed by the players, there was no one who panicked and said "We'd better get him before he gets us!" I'm sure whoever the Einstein was that sent the "sting" e-mail thought he/she was being all clever like the TV detectives and when someone rushed to the police to tell them "John Smith is lying! *He's* the one that did it, not me!" the police would say "A-ha! John Smith didn't say anything to us! But *you* just identified yourself as who John Smith *would* name!" Probably the thought never crossed this Barney Fife's mind that if the players really *had* committed a violent gang rape that they'd be capable of other violent crimes as well, and that if John Smith ended up beaten or killed, the clever Dick (no pun intended) who sent the false message would be responsible.

So... it might not be possible to determine for certain the individual who was at the keyboard composing the false message. But if the message could be verified to have been sent *from that account*, rather than just forged to look like it come from that account, the possible senders diminish in number...

Anonymous said...

As a student of various intelligence scandals and coverups I am surprised by the number of people who are stunned by Mike Nifong's behavior -- he's not exactly the only rotten apple in the U.S.A.'s criminal justice system!! From a macro perspective, one has to remember there are presently two million Americans in prison at any given moment and another two million, who, if this were Switzerland, would be picked up and put back in jail. If, for a moment, you think this entire apparatus runs in an efficient, orderly, uniform, predictable way -- you are dreaming. The prison system alone is a total nightmare, a cesspool of HIV, Hep-C, gangs and rape.
Also, the average American's notion of his "right to a fair trial" has to be one of the most laughable concepts around:"fair" as long as the defendant has as many or more legal poker chips than the state, since the state is allowed to spend a relatively infinite amount of resources to convict Y-O-U.

Anonymous said...

12:07 --

The Global Politician article is actually a rather poor read. Before even the first sub-heading it's littered with some very blatant errors:
* claims that Pittman and Mangum actually shopped together at the Kroger's supermarket after leaving the party (Mangum was feigning unconsciousness in Pittman's car, not toodling up and down aisles)
* claims that Pittman and Mangum "decided to organize a scam against 'the white boys'" during their grocery shopping (which makes no sense, since if true Pittman would have been trying to support Mangum's account, not call it a "crock")
* "Mangum claimed 20 men raped her. Then she claimed it was two. Then three. Then five. Then she left Kroger." (Mangum did not make any claims of being raped to anyone at Kroger. She did not claim she had been raped at all until a nurse at Durham Access suggested it to her, and Durham Access is where she was taken from Kroger.)
* "Several days later, Mangum emailed a public relations firm to see how she can spin the claims to her further advantage." (If the rest of the article wasn't so error-ridden, I might give it the benefit of the doubt. However, given the writer's clear propensity to jumble facts, I have no doubt that he is mixing up Mangum with Pittman here, since Pittman notoriously e-mailed the New York public relations firm that handles "Li'l Kim", asking them "how to spin this to my advantage.")

In summary, this article may be more favorably disposed towards the players than the infamous Duff Wilson hackjob, but that doesn't stop it from actually being a worse article.

Anonymous said...

PD's tape reuse policy recycles tapes every 60 days unless the tape is pulled for longer retention.

Even if the tape was reused, can't taped-over recordings still be recovered?

Also, I'd like to know how many tapes have to be recycled to save enough money to pay the settlement for the civil lawsuits being brought against DPD.

Anonymous said...

What prior relationship do these 2 women have with the DPD? I always had the feeling, for 2 lawbreakers, they were fairly comfortable with the DPD.

Why was that Nartey guy not appropriately punished? (setting aside the race issue--he threatened a child!) Where was the local child rights types? Why no outrage or anger?

Why was Coach K (the most famous and respected guy at Duke)not utilized in some useful fashion?

Regarding the Gang of 88: how many are stupid and how many are just evil?

Why is Dr Meehan still in business? How can anything from his lab be trusted?

Does Brodhead know his career is finished? That when he dies even the NYT will be pretty rough on him in the obits?

Who else in the DAs office helped with this case? Why are they so quiet?

Why didnt a young AA lawyer with political aspirations take the right side in this case>? In the long run, he would have a great shot at all sorts of political offices (kind of like Adenaur in Germany after WW20--> one of the few untainted by the prior evil leadership.

Finally, why does Durham and Duke seem to have more low character/useless people per capita than any place in America (im not including liestoppers, this blog, the car driver,etc.

ALLIE

Anonymous said...

The Duke Law School web page lists over 150 faculty... other than Prof. Coleman, where were these legal scholars when President Broadhead was looking forward to his students having the opportunity to prove their innocence?



-RD

rrhamilton said...


Anonymous said...
As a student of various intelligence scandals and coverups I am surprised by the number of people who are stunned by Mike Nifong's behavior -- he's not exactly the only rotten apple in the U.S.A.'s criminal justice system!! From a macro perspective, one has to remember there are presently two million Americans in prison at any given moment and another two million, who, if this were Switzerland, would be picked up and put back in jail. If, for a moment, you think this entire apparatus runs in an efficient, orderly, uniform, predictable way -- you are dreaming. The prison system alone is a total nightmare, a cesspool of HIV, Hep-C, gangs and rape.
Also, the average American's notion of his "right to a fair trial" has to be one of the most laughable concepts around:"fair" as long as the defendant has as many or more legal poker chips than the state, since the state is allowed to spend a relatively infinite amount of resources to convict Y-O-U.

9/10/07 1:30 AM

Again we have someone pimping the 88ers' new case metanarrative: The American justice system is corrupt; only the rich can get off.

People, you did not fall for the 88ers old metanarrative (the one positing a history of white men as feral beasts drooling at the sight of black women). Do not fall for this new bullshit. The problem isn't with the American justice system, it's with the old metanarrative.

Anonymous said...

JLS says....,

I have an answer to some and a bunch more of such questions.

The answer first. What was said to the grand juries was that Mangum said she was raped and she IDed Finnerty and Seligmann and she was pretty sure of Evans and he was connected to her by DNA. That is plenty for an indictment. Nifong did not have to have any official lie for an indictment.

Now one to other questions:

1. Why did the Durham access intake nurse suggest to Mangum she was raped? ...

7. How much has Duke paid in settlements so far?

I doubt many people even read this far in my post. I could go on and on with questions that are so far unanswered about this mess.

9/10/07 12:39 AM


JLS, I read that far, but I can only give an answer to the first question. I too would like to hear the answer to the 7th.

As to the first, my impression is that the SANE nurse was trying to conduct a by-the-book examination. Because of CGM's inability to give a narrative response to a question such as, "What happened tonight?", the nurse finally fell back on "yes/no" questions and so asked, "Were you raped?"

CGM heard the magic, get out of jail free words, and said "Yes". The rest is history.

RRH

Cedarford said...

A few extras for you KC, but 1st, let me say you did a magnificent job, not just in helping the accused and their lawyers with near-daily analysis and uncovery of info, not just in putting the spotlight on people now facing litigation, but in highlighting a faculty problem now about as well-known and understood as the Larry Summers or Ward Churchill cases.
Grade retaliation, hated students so much they filed for a change of venue based on prejudiced profs? Geeez, how did these people get tenure? How did the ringleader not only get tenure but be a Department head and chairing tenure committees when she never published! And each one of the 88 is something else, and not in a good way...

haskell said...

During their time in Purgatory, the lacrosse team kept a list of those antagonistic towards them. So ... who is on the Grail list and in what order?

Anonymous said...

What were the dimensions of the bathroom at the house the party was held in?
What happened to the money found at the house?

Anonymous said...

What did the so-called leadership in the black community know about Mangum? Chalmers "recused" himself, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton either left town or avoided further comment. People in positions of responsibility knew about Mangum's past and personality. What did they know? This whole affair has aspects of a Zen koan somewhat like the sound of one hand clapping . . . all the evil has been applied to the young men of the lacrosse team . . . and in reality the evil is in the missing hand . . . there is the evil in the Group of 88, Nifong, and their assemblege of enablers in this hoax. The lacrosse team is very special in the light of the monsters they have had to face down.

Cedarford said...

Now my little list:

1. Have attorneys ID'd people photographed with the "castrate" poster? I'd like their names published. Not for really for lawsuits, but for public shame, as this case wraps up.

2. The Authors of the Vigilante Poster. Duke students and employees, or outsiders? Sam Hummel? Sebring? Were Duke parties involved part of the Duke Settlement?

3. Little has been said about litigation of other players. Especially Ryan MacFayden, who might have been the most demonized of the players - for the public release of his private email by DPD. After Duke PD got all private student emails & handed it over to DPD w/o warrant or NTO authorization or a zealous Duke employee did. And he refused to make a false witness statement under that blackmail threat. Who in DPD was in on the blackmail threat and was the judge a patsy?
Know anything about litigation by players other than the 3, against Duke and City of Durham, KC?

4. Wendy Murphy. Because she claimed to be talking in an official capacity as a law professor representing New England School of Law in her various media rants, and because she regularly wrote defamatory statements on the Federal goverment supported website (via CDC) National Sexual Violence Policy Centers - Murphy's current defense that she is just a pundit paid to say provocative things on TV simply for entertainment value, and not just the Duke case, seems very weak.

She did her campaign of defamation at a NGO using Federal funds, she represented herself as a law professor giving expert opinion in the Duke case, and demonstrably lied on several occasions.

It is daunting for the slandered and libeled to sue a newspaper or media conglomerate with tons of money and huge legal resources and threat of 1st Amendment fights taking 10 years to go through courts.... Tough to make the Herald Sun, NY Times, Nancy Grace Show producers under Time-Warners lawyers pay - though they deserve to.
But Murphy is low-hanging fruit. She is an independent contractor to the media, not an employee, doing multiple shows for an appearance fee. No deep pockets lawyers protect her.
It would be nice to see at least one media talking head slimeball pay as a warning shot to all the media that they are not immune when they meddle in justice and due process.
Thoughts?

5. Is there any talk of a review of the Hardin-Nifong-DPD-Judge Stevens cabal being investigated for possible past acts of railroading and civil rights violations?
Seems the Feds have grounds to come in..

Roboguy said...

Question - Duke made the effort to crack down on campus drinking and immature behavior and then provided off campus rental houses to students which resulted in defacto "Frat Houses" which were unregulated and unsupervised. How does the DPD feel about Duke outsourcing their issues with student drinking to the Durham community? Will Duke take back it's responsibility in this area?

Anonymous said...

Is it possible for Brodhead to get a spine transplant?

Anonymous said...

Has anyone contacted Lin Wood to pursue litigation regarding media statements? (I, too, am particularly thinking of Wendy Murphy and Nancy Grace.)

Where DID the "sting" email come from.

Who was responsible for the Vigilante poster?

Anonymous said...

I read somewhere that Nifong had a relationship with Crystal's family. What was his relationship with her? She is being protected far too much in this case...why?

Anonymous said...

If universities like Duke feel they have issues/problems with underage and binge drinking, loud parties, poor driving, etc. -- what are they doing about it other than outsourcing as 5:14 describes?

Anonymous said...

Is Levicy a Communist?

bill anderson said...

Did the DPD, Michael Nifong's DA's office, or DUMC use ANY federal funds via the Violence Against Women Act in conjunction with any aspect of this case? If so, the feds do not have to look any farther for a hook on which to hang a criminal investigation.

Anonymous said...

For Duke or Durham PD....How was the McFadyen e-mail obtained without a subpoena? We KNOW it did not come from the captains computers? It set off a firestorm even though there is nothing racial about it(crude yes) and Liefong already knew CM did not recognize him OR that there was any of his DNA anywhere! Gottleib does not say.

mac said...

This one's been asked - (by me and lots of others) - but it deserves an answer: whose the DNA was on CGM's person? Whose "privacy" was Nifong protecting?

Second question: is CGM a narc?

Third question: will Crimestoppers - (and their posters) - be an issue here, in the case agaisnt Durrhh?

Fourth question: Where is Mr. Elmostafa? Has anyone interviewed him?

Fifth question: was Levicy asked to leave DUMC?

Sixth question: did Levicy's leaving have anything to do with Duke's (and presumably DUMC's) settlement with the accused?

Seventh question: how many of the other lacrosse players are going to sue (someone?)

Eighth question: what does it take for the Justice Dept. to step in?

Anonymous said...

After several failed attempts at identification, how did CGM just happen to pick three of the richest players on the team? Was she coached on selecting these in order to facilitate a healthy settlement from the players who would fear a he said/ she said trial?

Brant Jones

Anonymous said...

At the risk of beating a dead horse, let me once more urge all North Carolinians to write to your State representatives and senators urging them to amend the grand jury law that is on the books now and which allowed Nifong's minions to get indictments in a case with ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE THAT A CRIME HAD EVEN BEEN COMMITTED! I have written to Marc Basnight, President Pro Tem or the NC Senate, but he replied with a "thanks for your interesting opinion, but I'm not going to do anything about the problem." This weakness in the state law is the main point exploited by Gottlieb and Himan and lord knows how many other crooked cops. Force the issue, folks! Write! Call! Visit!

Anonymous said...

ABout KC's Chronicle ad questions, maybe one of KC's Duke connections could help out here. Couldn't somebody connected with Duke call the Chronicle and ask what the procedures are for submitting that kind of ad? Shouldn't the newspaper have some kind of form or something that would have asked Lubiano to support her claim about the endorsements?

And same thing with original drafts. If rumor's right and Chronicle said tone it down shouldn't there be some kind of record at the newspaper that somebody who is a Dukie could get at, or at least ask about?

If nothing else a question about standard procedures for acceptance of ad content would help us have more than rumors.

How about it folks? Especially those of you at Duke that care about what happened and support KC's efforts. Throw some help KC's way. He shouldn't have to do everything.

jim2 said...

The "erased tapes" - will some one eventually come forward with a different version of what happnened?

If so, that could lead to additional criminal charges.

Anonymous said...

My one disappointment with the book was there were no pictures, plans or other descriptions of the bathroom. It is my expectation that the room is just too small for the alleged activity, but I have never seen an accurate description.--buddy

Anonymous said...

Roboguy at 5:14--your general question about "outsourcing" is relevant. But to be clear, Duke did not "provide" offcampus housing to students.

The university actually requires students to live on campus for three years (with some exceptions for second semester juniors returning from study abroad); many students move off campus senior year, but they are not required, or even encouraged, to by Duke.

The lacrosse house and other houses owned by Duke were never rented by Duke to students; instead they were purchased in order to rehab and resell them to owner-occupiers who were not students, but families. However, Duke bought the properties subject to existing lease agreements, which were with students.

Anonymous said...

KC,

Have you interviewed Freda Black?

Anonymous said...

A lot of the questions about Duke faculty and administration actions would be answered if some enterprising whistleblower on the Duke IT staff were to excavate a batch of emails from their servers.

This is the sort of stuff that would have come out in discovery had the university gone to trial in a civil suit. You can draw some conclusions about how damning it is by the speed with which Duke settled.

Anonymous said...

I have a question:
Why are there so many unanswered questions in this matter?

Anonymous said...

What is Duke's policy on their network and computers? I would assume McFayden computer was his own, but would also assume that the network and servers used for connection were Duke's. So -- would Duke claim the right to give LE that email without a supoena as it was on their network and their server? This is the rule I work under at my company....no right to computer privacy -- it's their computer, their network, etc.

Penny said...

1. Why did the Durham access intake nurse suggest to Mangum she was raped? Did this nurse know Mangum was a nut job and want to pass her on to someone else? Or is the a common part of the intake process?

I am a psych nurse that has worked many years in various Crisis/Intake units. It is NOT a a direct question I would ask unless the client indicated to me that they had a specific physical trauma that needed to be immediately medically addressed. If clients don't state they were raped as a chief complaint in their initial explanation of why they are there, the events surrounding their coming to the unit, it would be totally inappropriate to ask. You do not give often unreliable and manipulative psych clients suggestions. It's improper interviewing.

Both nurses in this sordid saga were sub-standard clinicians in my opinion. I can't figure out how Tara Levicy was able to operate with so much autonomy. Before I ever spoke with police, I would have accessed the doctor and probably the administration to review all clinical records and opinions.

Tara Levicy should no longer have a nursing license. She violated nursing ethics. The other nurse was just stupid, most likely poorly trained.

another.anon said...

What was on Mangum's cell phone that the judge was covering up?

Anonymous said...

JC, many thanks for the great blog. As it winds down, I want to say how much I appreciated your coverage. As a taxpaying citizen of Durham, I have a lot of questions for the candidates in the upcoming elections, thanks to your excellent blog. Fare thee well.

Walt, in Durham

Anonymous said...

Here's my question: Will Tom Hanks be cast as K.C. in the UPI movie?

Gary Packwood said...

Brant Jones 7:39 said...

...After several failed attempts at identification, how did CGM just happen to pick three of the richest players on the team? Was she coached on selecting these in order to facilitate a healthy settlement from the players who would fear a he said/ she said trial?
::
Brant asks a key question I believe if we are ever to understand the extent that Duke faculty and students were directly and indirectly involved in moving the hoax forward.
::
GP

Anonymous said...

Did anyone in the Durham D.A's Office ever have any doubts about Nifong's actions. I can't believe he was able to maintain a total vacuum around the case. I would presume there was some "shop" talk between ADA's, paralegals and admistrative folks. One would think at least a few people asked Nifong a probing question or two.

GPrestonian said...

Durham D.A’s Office:

What sort of conversations occurred between Nifong, Linwood, and DPD about the arrest of Elmostafa, & between Nifong and Ashley Cannon regarding the prosecution of Elmostafa?

Ralph Phelan said...

How much money did the City of Durham, County of Durham and State of North Carolina respectively spend on room, board and other support for Crystal Mangum?

What is their usual policy and practice with regards to supporting witnesses?

Ralph Phelan said...

"Why, exactly, did Police Chief Steve Chalmers decide to totally absent himself from departmental affairs ... during the highest-profile investigation in his department’s history; and why did City Manager Patrick Baker allow Chalmers to do so?"

One theory is that Chalmers was smart enough to realize the whose thing was a bad idea wanted to keep his hands off it, and Baker didn't want to risk him blowing the game if forced to participate against his will.

Gary Packwood said...

The Duke University Senior Administrative Job Performance System

Duke uses a 360o and anonymous job performance system for senior administrators whereby a persons continued employment is based on what anonymous faculty, staff and students have to say about their job performance.

Is this job performance system itself a key reason that Broadhead and his senior staff never took action to end the hoax?
::
GP

Ralph Phelan said...

How much did the City & County of Durham and the State of North Carolina pay to house, feed and otherwise support Crystal Mangum.

How does this amount and her treatment in general compare to policies in place and to the way other witnesses have been treated?

Anonymous said...

How in the hell can Duke continue to employ Kim Curtis? She is a complete disgrace.

Ralph Phelan said...

Anonymous 9/10/07 9:52 AM
said...
"How in the hell can Duke continue to employ Kim Curtis? She is a complete disgrace."

Many of the "questions" I'm seeing are in fact just expressions of disgust.

Let's try to stick to actual attempts to gain detailed information about facts and events, rather than more general questions about the nature of evil that have are unanswerable in any manner comprehensible to a sane and moral mind.

Anonymous said...

I have wondered why it tool so long to get from 610 Buchanan to the Kroger store? What happened during that time?

Anonymous said...

My nagging question: What on earth would possess any parent to commit $40K or $50K a year to send their kid to Duke after what's been revealed about that cesspool? The core of the problem is Americans have been brainwashed to believe that everybody should get a college education. Face it, people, there are a helluva lot of kids who can't be educated beyond their limited intellect, and a student attending the likes of Duke is vulnerable to the evil perpetrated by the Group of 88 and their enablers. Think about it.

inman said...

The lacrosse team paid Mangum & Roberts $800 for 2 hours of dancing. Mangum & Roberts danced for four minutes, so all they earned was $26.67.

My question:

Did the lacrosse team get their $773.33 refund?

KC Johnson said...

Let me echo Ralph P's point--some of these questions are very interesting ones indeed.

Anonymous said...

What members of Durham police and DA were involved with Crystal in her previous conviction and her relative's murder case? Were these same people involved also in Duke Hoax?

inman said...

On a more serious note...

Brodhead made this statement in his August interview with 60 Minutes:

"The facts kept changing. Every day we learned new things that no one knew the day before. Every day we were being urged to speak with certainty about facts that were full of great uncertainty at that point." (amphasis added)

Who was 'urging' Brodhead to speak and what was the nature of that 'urging'? Was there any written communication or e-mails that memorialized that urging? And if so, were any of the faculty or other administration officials consulted by or about those who urged Brodhead to speak with certainty?

Anonymous said...

Why didn't the DPD plant evidence in the case?

Although I am not a lawyer, it seems to me that it is more convicing to a jury to have hard evidence, and once the evidence is planted, it is impossible to prove that it is not authentic.

Carolyn said...

Who deliberately edited Ryan's email?

The sole reason for releasing his email was because the case had just collapsed due to the lab finding NO DNA of any of the LAX players on Crystal. The email re-ignited the case by tricking the media and the world into mistakenly thinking a sexual assault had taken place. But the only way Ryan's email could do that would be if it was FIRST twisted around with important parts erased, things taken out of context, etc.

Thus, whomever edited the email committed fraud, perjury and assault on Ryan (and by extension, Reade, Dave and Collin).

So, who edited Ryan's email?

Anonymous said...

What exactly is CGM's relationship with the Durham Police Department?

I read earlier (either Liestoppers or FR) that when Crystal was picked up and taken to Duke Access one of the policemen said over the police radio that he was going to drive by Crystal's house and check on the little ones.

As another poster asked, is she a narc? or is the Durham PD still running that prostitution ring?

miramar said...

KC, you ask, "What, precisely, was Mangum’s relationship with NCCU? How many courses had she really taken? Was she ever really a full-time student?"

I have always found it interesting that then-NCCU President Ammons kept a very diplomatic silence throughout the proceedings, which suggests to me that he knew that CGM was not all she was made out to be. After all, if she was not enrolled (which I don't know how she could be if she was coming home at 6:00 AM after her gigs), the administration would have figured that out after looking at her transcript online. So I would add to your question: If Ammons had additional information on CGM, which I suspect he did, did he inform Brodhead about it? They certainly had a number of meetings, so there would have been ample opportunity for them to discuss CGM.

Anonymous said...

"...the ad received formal endorsement from five Duke academic departments."

What steps has Duke as an institution (rather than KC and others privately) taken (a) to determine whether the faculty departments in question in fact endorsed the ad in accordance with department procedure, (b) if not, to determine if individual faculty members knowingly used the name of the concerned department(s) without proper authorization, (c) to determine whether department funds were used to pay for the ad and, if so, was that in accordance with applicable Duke procedures, (d) to determine if publication of the ad, whether or not properly authorized and funded, was consistent with applicable Duke procedures and the obligation to protect the interest of students, (e) determine if any Duke faculty member engaged in misconduct with respect to the treatment of lacrosse team members or their supporters in class or in grades, (f) if improper conduct occurred, to seek to prevent such conduct from occurring in the future and (g) if improper conduct occurred, to hold the individuals and departments engaged in that conduct publicly accountable for their misconduct.

Unless I am mistaken, this is not a set of issues that lies solely within the province of the departments concerned and their faculty - it is within the competence of the faculty of Duke generally and the Duke Administration as well.

BTW, is there a formal grievance process that can be triggered by an individual (faculty or student)?

Debrah said...

KC,

Have you interviewed Freda Black?



Please. No more seasoned cronies--former or present--from the Durham district attorney's office for the public to endure.

Although Black would have been far and away a better choice than Mikey.....she's no prize.

What would she have to offer?

That she was very upset when Mikey fired her?

That she will be running for DA soon?

That she is dismayed by what Mikey did to Durham's reputation?

Who cares? These refugees from the (Jim Hardin DA days) are basically from the same mold. They couldn't practice in Durham, otherwise.

Debrah said...

I have wondered why it took so long to get from 610 Buchanan to the Kroger store? What happened during that time?

Well......Kim Roberts had to take the time to concoct a phony racial slur incident outside the house by calling the DPD.

Then she had to convince a drugged-out Mangum to stay in the car so they could get away with keeping all the money...while faking injury from "racial taunts" which Roberts, herself, instigated.

Next, Roberts had to placate Mangum as she begged to be bruised and beaten. HIt me!.....she reportedly implored Roberts.

This was a scam from the start which snowballed to suit these two women who were out to make some easy money off the streets.

It's just as one of Mangum's former employers opined...(to paraphrase)....What happened to the lacrosse players that night could have happened to any other man out there. They just had the bad luck.

Anonymous said...

KC:

It seems the more questions that get answered, the more questions that arise.

I believe one thing is apparent. The frame-up was conducted with the cooperation of the DPD, the city fathers, the Duke administration, certain district judges and the media. The breadth of it is stupifying.

The single most important question (that will be answered soon) is : what will the City of Durham do?

With the mindset that permeates this community, it is my belief that they will admit nothing and will fight the lawsuit until the bitter end. I could be wrong but the PC disease that afflicts Durham hasn't been addressed.

in retrospect, its not the frameup that defies logic. Its the total community denial of what happened that is mindboggling.



Ken
Dallas

Penny said...

Here's a question in line with my earlier statement, why did the hospital administration allow Tara Levicy to be point person in this high profile case? Her continued egregiously unsubstantiated insistance that Magnum was raped to the police had to have come to light and should have had them combing the records and interviewing the attending doctor.

She should have been be put on leave or fired as soon as it became clear what she was doing.

Debrah said...

I have always found it interesting that then-NCCU President Ammons kept a very diplomatic silence throughout the proceedings, which suggests to me that he knew that CGM was not all she was made out to be.

This is the unwritten and unspoken (for public consumption) code in the black community.

Anyone having the gall to say this is painting with a broad brush doesn't know much at all about the black community--no matter what socio-economic level.

And its one of the things that keeps this often self-segregated group marginalized in many social circles.

Who can have an authentic conversation when everyone else is expected not to discuss the reality of what occurs in our country everyday.

No one wants to come right out and say it. Our society has been conditioned to gloss over circumstances when the black community wants to play the victim role.

The lacrosse case brings this reality together into a nightmare/comedy presentation.

And on a national stage.

Ralph Phelan said...

Anonymous 9/10/07 10:31 AM said...
"...the ad received formal endorsement from five Duke academic departments.

What steps has Duke as an institution ..."
That one's pretty easy. Nothing.

"BTW, is there a formal grievance process that can be triggered by an individual (faculty or student)?"
That's an interesting question.

I've already decided that Duke's professors are collectively a bunch of pussies.

But if there's some way professors could complain about departments signing ads in violation of written policy, or about miriam cooke disrupting a Horowitz speech in violation of written policy, and it hasn't been used, then every single professor at Duke is also individually themselves a pussy.

xutag77 said...

Many of these questions ware making the assumption of a minimal level of compentence or fairness.

Many (most) actors in this case achieved neither.

With this view of the proceedings most of the questions become self answering.

For instance
"Why, even though he had been informed of in-class harassment of lacrosse players at an April 6, 2006 meeting with coaches, did neither President Brodhead nor anyone in his administration interview any of the lacrosse players to determine the truth of the issue?"

The answer is easy, Duke and Broadhead did not really want to determine the truth of the issue. Why? If they did they would have to do something about it. That would be a public relations and legal nightmare.

Anonymous said...

Others have mentioned this, but: There is no doubt in my mind that Precious had a previous "relationship" with the Durham cops, which is the biggest and ugliest secret of this whole affair.

It explains so much: Why Durham cops would work so hard to pin a non-existent crime on whomever Precious named; why she wasn't seriously imprisoned for trying to run-over a Durham cop in a stolen taxicab; why nobody is interested in prosecuting her now; why no cops even call the childrens protection agencies to investigate her, when the NC Attorney General has told the world that her grip on reality is non-existent.

This is the big secret that makes this well-placed, well-used prostitute so radioactive. If she's put under pressure, law enforcement is terrified of what she might blurt out, or threaten to reveal.

But we'll never get to the bottom of what happened, and why, until the relationship between Crystal Gail Mangum and Durham police is completely laid bare.

For this to happen, somebody -- somewhere -- will have to show some genuine political courage and integrity. Until, then, any "investigation" is a joke.

Debrah said...

I was flipping throught the N&O this morning. I think it was the Sunday paper since I haven't even looked at today's yet.

There was a photo of Mikey coming out of jail which I hadn't seen before. His mouth was turned downward in a scowl as Peterson and the other dizzingly goofy supporters huddled around him.

This man is indecent, no doubt, but I believe that he is definitely mentally ill. All joking aside, he has to be.

I think he should be closely monitored by someone in the media to see if he moves on to do further damage to someone else......even if it's flipping burgers.

We've all joked about this a lot, but look at Durham as a town. Who would sit back and pretend that Mikey is the only thing wrong there?

no justice, no peace said...

KC the fact that your efforts have and will lead to additional inquiry speaks volumes of your work. It is incumbement upon us all to continue to peel away the onion.

I don't think it overstates the obvious to say that these are the "times that try men's soul" with the very dangerous cultural police that have infected the academy, the press, the government, etc.

We can do better, we must do better. We have seen the alternative and it is not acceptable.

“These are the times that try men’s souls: The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country; but he that stands it NOW, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.” —Thomas Paine

Your efforts are a roadmap on how and why we all should "stand(s) it NOW" and why you deserve "the love and thanks of man and woman".

Michael said...

Regarding Addison, we did some analysis at Liestoppers and I think that we came to the conclusion that Lamb (don't remember his rank) probably had the most to do with Addison doing what he did.

Debrah said...

I want to know how much information Mayor Bell and the rest of the Durham City Council had about this case from the start.

We all remember seeing Bell and a few council members sitting on a podium at the ridiculous NCCU forum in the beginning.

They tell city manager what to do. Each is in close contact with him, and he is always in close contact with the DPD.

All of these people remained so silent.

I believe they knew these charges had no basis. I also believe that some knew all about Mangum and her sordid history.

In Durham, the city council members (a few of them with the right melanin supply) are unusually chummy with the police chief.

One council member used to get free chauffer service from his predecessor...going back and forth to certain meetings and events.

They don't operate normally over there...and don't wish to.

Anonymous said...

What happened to Crystal's shoe?

Debrah said...

.....miriam cooke disrupting a Horowitz speech in violation of written policy.....

I thought that was the funny woman Diane Nelson who did that.

Was cooke involved as well?

Ralph Phelan said...

xutag77 said...
"Many of these questions ware making the assumption of a minimal level of compentence or fairness.

Many (most) actors in this case achieved neither.

With this view of the proceedings most of the questions become self answering"

That's what I was trying to get at. Thanks for putting it better than I did.

Let's concentrate on the questions that remain after applying xutag77's assumptions.

In reflecting on my still-developing understanding of this case, there is only one guiding principle that has yet to let me down: "No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up."

bill anderson said...

Ralph Phelan said...

How much did the City & County of Durham and the State of North Carolina pay to house, feed and otherwise support Crystal Mangum.

How does this amount and her treatment in general compare to policies in place and to the way other witnesses have been treated?
9/10/07 9:51 AM


I would say that it is almost a given that Durham used federal funds from the Violence Against Women Act to spend on Crystal. The government makes money available for "rape victims," and knowing Durham and Nifong, I would be pretty sure that they would have used that money instead of their own local funds.

This would not be hard to verify, and while I have not done any verification, logic tells me that they were using that money. If that is the case, then we have a situation in which officials (and Crystal) used federal money fraudulently, which is a serious felony. So, if Durham and Nifong did use VAWA funding in any way to promote or help the Hoax along, they are criminally vulnerable.

Anonymous said...

I have some questions about the Gang of 88 ad in the Chronicle. I understand the ad received formal endorsement from five Duke academic departments. Who actually paid for the ad? Was it paid for by one of these departments with Duke University funds or was it paid for by one of the individual professors? If it was paid for with Duke funds, are there no rules covering University money expenditures???? Just wondering...

Matthew said...

How could so many factions be so stupid? Why is it wrong in America to be white and work hard? Why does being white and "Privileged" make it ok to be brought up on rape charges and to go through hell?

Anonymous said...

What was the level of cooperation between the Duke PR office and the Durham Herald-Sun in creating a public bias against the Duke lacrosse players?

As events unfolded, it appeared that the outrageously one-sided coverage of the Herald-Sun was Bob Ashley's way of placating his A-A readership.

But as more information came to light, it appears as though there was a coordinated effort between the Herald-Sun and the Duke PR department to smear the lacrosse players. In particular, the near simultaneous announcements emanating from Duke alum Ashley's H-S, and the offices of Duke PR head John Burness, and other members of the Duke administration and BOT, including Brodhead and Steel, indicate a worrisome level of coordination.

It is possible that Bob Ashley was taking "marching orders" directly from Durham's "largest employer", Duke University. If so, the culpability on Duke's part for damages done to the lacrosse players is astounding.

Anonymous said...

JLS says....,

re: anon 7:40

Sorry but you are wrong in two dimension:

1. Mangum crying rape and IDing three people is plenty of evidence for indictments. That is why the DA and the police to a lessor extent are to be checks on false allegations. It is what is called prosecutorial disscretion.

2. While NC should record the grand jury testimony, the BIGGEST program by far with the NC system is the case management system allowed in Durham which unbalances the balance between the judge and the DA. The judge is no longer neutral and must do the DA's bidding or risk getting nothing but unimportant cases. Getting NC judges back to neutral in cases is the most fundamental reform needed.

Anonymous said...

Here are my unanswered questions:

1. Why has CGM not been prosecuted for making up a story. Im sure if thre was as much effort toward investigating what she did and whatr she said throughout the whole process, it would be clear she knew what she was doing and was using those in power who hate Duke to facillitate her actions.

2. Why is it three kids from Duke wrongly accused of a crime and who had a DA withhold evidence who can afford good lawyers not only get vindicated but can threaten to sue and likely settle various entities for millions of dollars without ever having served a day in jail or been convicted of anything yet a man in the same state, under very similar circumstances, gets convicted because of these actions and winds up on Death Row(Gell) yet after he is shown freedom, the DAs do not get disbarred and the proper entities sued for millions and a settlement achieved with little or no fight?

3. If the boys deserve all they can get for what happened, why do we support this so easily yet stand in silence when the community of Durham has entirely too many people living off the government and nothing is done. If the proper people took action to eliminate this social welfare in the same way they pursued justice and civil damages in a slam dunk case, I would think that maybe this wasnt just another example of those with the means clamoring for justice when justice is on their side so easily. The toughest battles seem to be the battles no one wants.

4. How do people like Victoria Peterson exist and why are people afraid to stand up to her and those like her. We have become so afraid of being labled racists that we allow someone like her to act in a way that would get a white person fired or shunned by society. The militant black is a scary thing in this country and they use their race to justify being some of the scariest and stupidest people in the world?

4. What happens to Nifong civilly and criminally from here? Will he do real jail time? Does the buck stop with him because he had the final decision or do his enablers and encourages deserve the same punishment?

5. What happens to Broadhead? Why is he still in any position of power at Duke?

6. What happens to the city of Durham from here? Does it become a city of those who are tied to Duke and those who live in the projects and live of the government because middle class folks leave in droves because of the economic and social dynamics that derive from this case?

7. Why is justice geared so toward someones economic standing and not their skin color unless there is a consensus that blacks are and always will be unable to be the economic equals of anyone. By making this case about race, is it the latest acceptance by the black community that they are as a whole failures?

This has been a fascinating case for me to watch.

Debrah said...

A letter in the H-S:

Lacrosse players wrong to punish whole town

I read with some dismay that the three young men falsely accused of rape, kidnapping, etc. are now intent on "raping" all the citizens of Durham because of the actions of a few. I did not vote to place Mike Nifong in office.

Nifong alone used the case as a means to elicit enough votes to remain in office. Mine was not one of those votes. While I have and still sympathize with these young men, and certainly agree that changes in our system are needed, I cannot support their attempts to take my hard-earned tax payment and line their pockets and those of their lawyers.

I am innocent of any harm to the three men, and like them would welcome an opportunity to prove that innocence in court I would gladly serve on that jury.

John Robbins
Durham
September 10, 2007

rrhamilton said...


Penny said...
Here's a question in line with my earlier statement, why did the hospital administration allow Tara Levicy to be point person in this high profile case?


I've wondered the very same thing.

Anonymous said...

Check out the BlueNC blog and see how the Duke-3-haters are getting ripped to shreds. Too funny.

Anonymous said...

Why doesn't KC's book
answer any of these
questions ?

Anonymous said...

Debrah at 11:20 a.m. writes "[Nifong] is indecent, no doubt, but I believe that he is definitely mentally ill. All joking aside, he has to be."

I'm inclined to agree with Debrah's conclusion. Are there any mental health professionals out there willing to give an armchair analysis of this guy? Is he just a narcissist or is he a sociopath truly unable to feel any sense of remorse for the wrong he has inflicted on the accused, the other players, the bar of NC, his town, his family, etc. There has to be a name for what ails him.

Anonymous said...

Why not interview Freda Black?

Since there are no current ADA's that have been forthcoming about the former DA's indescretions, then Freda Black(former ADA - fired by the now former DA) is the obvious go-to person for "what's in the closet".

Anonymous said...

How did the Durham PD gain access to the dorm?

Ed

Debrah said...

Info update:

My local Barnes & Noble as of today has a good stock of UPI and it is still being displayed in several locations inside the store...with a store window display.

Good!

I know KC has a book signing at the Regulator later in the month. Perhaps his publisher should set up one for this area B&N as well.

sceptical said...

On "Until Proven Innocent":

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KC and Stuart,
Your agent and your lawyer need to urgently pressure your publisher to do additional printings. Whoever advised you to start with a 13,000 printing was foolish. No new book should have a 3-6 week wait on Amazon and not be available in many bookstores. It is ironic that a book about a fiasco is a fiasco. I feel bad for you and Stuart after having put your heart and souls into this book.

sceptical

Anonymous said...

I have a couple of lingering concerns:

1. What has been the impact on the internet based exotic dancing economy? Surely many otherwise willing and eager customers to one of Durham's vital industries have been scared off by Ms. Mangum's behavior. The complete absence of criminal convictions for pay-for-sex crimes there strongly implies political complicity. Who speaks and looks out for the interests of the young men and women who now have difficulty finding employment in their chosen field?

2. Based on what I've read (particularly in Pressler's book) about Crystal, her services typically commanded fees in the low two digit range for a variety of putatively extralegal activities. How in the world did she stumble in to a gig paying $400!! for two hours of dancing?

3. Have the guys on the team who masterminded(?) this affair learned that you NEVER pay contract workers in full before satisfactory work has been completed? Roberts' resume strongly suggests that, as soon as she got paid, she no longer had any incentive to 'work' and rapidly (and successfully) looked for and found a 'reason' to leave with the loot. I think it's unlikely that 'Precious' would or could have come up with anything that 'clever' on her own and her reported pleas to Roberts to go back to 'make more money' after they had initially left the party support that conjecture. Obviously, this was in direct opposition to Roberts' plan to take ALL the money and dump the impaired Mangum before she could sort through the complexities. Little did Roberts know that Mangum was apparently incapable of sorting through anything even under the best circumstances.

Off topic. I had a depressing chat with a golfing buddy of mine about the case. He has not followed it closely but was perfectly willing to share with me his conviction that it's inconceivable that the lacrosse players didn't do SOMETHING that fateful night. I'll send him a copy of your book (and that should take care of him), but he's not stupid and used to be a college student and finds the likelihood of shenanigans completely credible. I had erroneously assumed that only the diehard, racist faithful would continue to cling to that myth in the face news of the players' exoneration and Nifong's disbarment and criminal conviction.

Sigh...

RL Duke alum medicine '75

Anonymous said...

KC, I most likely will never meet you personally, but I have a huge debt of gratitude to you for your investment of time and moral courage to provide the quality of scholarship and dectective work that are evident in the book ( I am in tears as I read it) and on this blog.

In my mind, there is still a missing link... I have said it over and over on this and other blogs. WHY IS CRYSTAL MAGNUM SUCH A HOT POTATOE THAT NO ONE HAS CONNECTED THE DOTS?

WHY DOES SHE REMAIN UNINDICTED?

IS THERE ANY TRACEABLE CONNECTION BETWEEN HER AND ANY MEMBER OF THE DPD?

To me, it is TOOO obvious that something stinketh here, and it is more than just the fact that this woman is mentally imbalanced.

I may be wrong. But I just know in my gut, that you will find some footprints of her services somewhere with somebody who would be bigtime embarassed.

Maybe this is not appropriate input to the blog, but I am pretty much a "nobody" so there is no where else for me to register this opinion.

I hope somebody is listening or reading.

We are most likely not on the same sides of some political issues, or even social issues, KC, but I have tremendous respect for your integrity. And I thank you once again, on behalf of many grateful people, for giving us this window of opportunity to try to take back some of our institutions.

It has been said that "You can neither heal nor change that which you do not first acknowledge." You have forced us to acknowledge. The rest falls on our shoulders.

God bless you in your next endeavors. I suppose many of us wish you would permit us to journey with you... on a new blog... on new subjects. Is that a possibility?

You have become "Professor of History" to a larger audience than you might have imagined. Might you consider an "online university"? .... lectures only please! No credits, no papers to grade, just an investment that makes a difference.

dsl

Anonymous said...

My number 1 question is also what happened in all the time it took Kim to drive from 610 Buchanon to Kroger. That would have been a rookie cop's first question.... certainly one beggin followup.

Anonymous said...

My questions:
1) Jesse Jackson, have you "found" CGM yet? Last interview I hear you on, you said you couldn't find her! I can't believe operation PUSH can't afford to find her!
2) Once you "find" her, will you still be paying for her tuition? LMAO
3) So, exactly what is CGM doing now?

Anonymous said...

Who's numbers are (were) saved in CGM's cell phone????

Debrah said...

Here's an unanswered question for Durham residents who say they are not to blame for this Hoax and who think everyone should move on:

Why do most of them still support the likes of the popeyed wonder Diane Catotti as a city council member?

Latest news shows she has even been endorsed by the mostly conservative group--Friends of Durham.

This is a woman who has rabidly supported Mike Nifong like a torrid lover even after it became known that his case had no evidence and even after it became public knowledge that he had botched it in a very shameful way.

She was a part of his fraudulent election campaign in the Fall of 2006.

Catotti has strong ties to members of Duke's Gang of 88 and is openly supportive of their rush to judgment, bigoted, and white-male-hating views of the world.

This is an example of how the citizens of Durham move forward.

Debrah said...

TO 1:08PM--

You sure chose the right moniker.

Just replace the "C" with a "K" and you're set!

skeptical

Debrah said...

What was the level of cooperation between the Duke PR office and the Durham Herald-Sun in creating a public bias against the Duke lacrosse players?

From the start, there was a constant barrage of "guest columns" from members of the Gang of 88. Orin Starn was allowed almost an entire editorial page.....an over 1000-word, anti-lacrosse diatribe.

This is what began my campaign of almost weekly screaming sessions with them.

They would not offer the same kind of largesse to the opposing view.

Of course they were, and are, in bed with Duke.

In Durham, besides the state and federal government, Duke University is a steady stream of easy money......more programs and access for the needy...don't you know?

Both the H-S and Duke placate the black community constantly to keep order in the town.

It's the closest any of us will come to seeing a banana republic in operation other than Washington DC, Atlanta, and perhaps Detroit.

Gary Packwood said...

Anonymous 12:50 said...
...Are there any mental health professionals out there willing to give an armchair analysis of this guy?
::
Hopefully not.
::
GP

Debrah said...

TO 1:09PM--

These guys were kids and had no experience in the field of hiring strippers.

Giving the money up front as the women asked was their way of complying.

It reminds me of myself close to that same age. I've never liked business and to this day have to be led kicking and screaming with respect to "negotiating" in money matters.

The first time I bought a car, I went inside the dealershp and saw the one I liked...and without even "haggling" or attempting to "negotiate", I told them which one I wanted and paid the sticker price.

We have to live and learn.

LOL!!!

The lacrosse guys were also trying to be respectful of these women and quite to the contrary of the portrayal in the media, the fact that they accepted the women into the house even though they had ordered a "different product"...speaks volumes toward their lack of racism.

They were young and gullible and were just trying to have some fun....like millions of university students their age.

Anonymous said...

Off topic. This is not a nitpicking correction because I expect UPI to go into a second printing (and with updated material).

On p.393 of UPI Nanerl Keohane's name is misspelled, and she is listed twice in the index, once correctly and shortly later incorrectly.

KC, do you know where more information on her role in the Larry Summers firing can be found?

Anonymous said...

Debbie,

"sceptical" is a variant of "skeptical," which makes it 100% acceptable English usage.

Anonymous said...

Well, I finished the book last evening and thought that it was really well done. There was much that I learned that was not in the newspapers, so I am grateful to the authors for their effort.

However, I was left totally drained and depressed because there was no closure other than Nifong's disgrace. I hope the families just crush the city in their lawsuits, which the city will probably pay for via a special assessment they place on the university.

So the questions I would pose are: Have the group of 88 Duke professors no shame? Has Duke's administration no shame? Has the Durham police department no shame? Has Nancy Grace no shame? Has the New York Times no shame? Has the NAACP no shame? Has the Durham Herald newspaper no shame?

These people and groups are supposed to be protectors and defenders of rights. They deserve to be scorned for their actions and inactions.

Thank you for this blog.

scott said...

Uh, oh 12:05 PM --

You have just exposed yourself as being insufficiently politically correct.

The PC Police have already been alerted. You can expect to receive your notice as to when and where to report for orientation / indoctrination any minute now.

Ralph Phelan said...

"No new book should have a 3-6 week wait on Amazon and not be available in many bookstores. It is ironic that a book about a fiasco is a fiasco. I feel bad for you and Stuart after having put your heart and souls into this book.

sceptical "

Having one's publisher unable to keep up with demand is the sort of "problem" most authors can only dream of.

Ralph Phelan said...

Another "follow the money" question:

Where were the "wanted" posters printed?
Who paid for them?

Anonymous said...

Does Cystal pay income taxes on her high earnings?

Anonymous said...

I'd like to know which names of Durham officials and members of the DPD were in Crystal's little black book.

Anonymous said...

the shoe, the shoe.

Did Kim or Crystal know the security guard at the Kroger's before the night in question?

Penny said...

Are there any mental health professionals out there willing to give an armchair analysis of this guy?

I'll take a shot at it as a psych nurse. Nifong appears to me as a narcissist and anti-social personality disorder. Google the DSM IV and look under Personality Disorders. His only regret is that he got caught. HE was misunderstood. Typical anti-social.

I wouldn't invest a lot in Magnum's diagnosis as a Bipolar, it's become a very throw-away diagnosis now days unless determined by a good clinician over time. A Borderline Personality disorder often mimics it. Good clinicians are reluctant to make a definitive diagnosis when clients are substance users. I doubt there has been a long enough interval in Magnum's life that she wasn't using.

It's inexplicable to me that when she presented at the ER with her erratic and flippant statements they weren't filtered through her avoidance of a psych admission, present employment and drug use history.

I read KC's book cringing at how bad nursing started this nightmare into play. I can't say enough about the revulsion I feel toward Tara Levicy. I've worked in a university hospital system, Duke's comes up short.

Anonymous said...

My unanswered questions are:

1. Why hasn't Crystal Mangum been charged for filing a false report?

and,

2. What the hell was Nifong on at the time of his "do not pass go, do not collect $200, go to jail" photo?

The lost look on his face suggests either someone who just plowed a big field of recreational chemistry or just plain thinks the whole thing is a joke, or maybe both.

Anonymous said...

12:50 -- did you also note that the haters can only reply in 4 letter Anglo-Saxon expletives?

Anonymous said...

Check out Steve Marcus' review in Newsday.

Anonymous said...

Why hasn't anybody in the media interviewed Crystal Mangum in the last few weeks? Is she in hiding? Given her willingness to tell her stories before, it would seem that she would be willing to tell additional ones now.

Debrah said...

TO 2:26PM--

I agree with you.

The book, like this blog Wonderland, is stellar.

But I, also, am left with an aching feeling of a need for punctuation to this Hoax.

It's like a chord progression in music where the listener is taken to a grand crescendo....then left hanging at a high pitch without a resolution chord.

But it also reflects the reality of the situation.

None of the destructive players in the case have paid the way they should....no real resolution as there should be.

Which means only one thing: KC has to write another book!

LIS!

Anonymous said...

What were the carrots and sticks that were under discussion for approving the zoning for Central Campus, before the LAX affair gave Duke enough leverage to shame Durhan into approving this?

How much of a $30M settlement would Duke pay (via taxes -- IOW, what fraction of the Durham tax base is represented by Duke)? What if the taxes paid by Duke employees were included in this?

Debrah said...

Wahneema Lubiano opines:

"I'm a post-structuralist teacher-critic leftist. What I've written here is what I do whether I'm thinking, teaching, or engaging in politics (including strategizing). I think that it is part of my privilege, my work, and my pleasure to insist that those three activities are not clearly demarcated. Learning to live with the difficulty of not being absolutely sure and the comfort of not having to be is my reward for being critical about totalizing narratives--especially when we call them the truth."

Well......this certainly explains why this destructive moron is completely comfortable while exercising the liberty to do and say anything she wants.

What a worthless human being.

Anonymous said...

Question:

Why was a high-earning hooker described as "poor"?

Ralph Phelan said...

Anonymous 9/10/07 2:26 PM, too answer your questions:

None whatsoever.

Ralph Phelan said...

"Anonymous said...
I'd like to know which names of Durham officials and members of the DPD were in Crystal's little black book.

9/10/07 2:43 PM"

I'd like to know which Durham officials and members of the DPD left their DNA in her....

no justice, no peace said...

Inre: "Does Cystal pay income taxes on her high earnings?"

Beautiful!

If the State AG won't file charges against CGM for being a lying whore, then maybe the IRS will go after her for income tax evasion.

The Al Capone approach...

no justice, no peace said...

By the way, in response to the question,"Is ________a communist?"

I've come to the conclusion that few if any could possibly be communists, including many in the Klan of 88.

It occured to me that communists, though extraordinarly evil, are not that stupid.

Useful idiots, that's for sure, but communists, I think probably not.

On the other hand maybe the PC crowd has successfully dumbed-down communist/marxist theory.

Oh yeah...in the form of a question...

Have the Klan of 88 dumbed-down communism/marxism theory so far that rational minds discount that they are representing communist/marxist ideology in such a way as to render true intelletuals speechless regarding their intentions?

Anonymous said...

Surprisingly, Steven Marcus' review in Newsday (Sept 10) of Until Proven Innocent is one of praise.

Anonymous said...

Has anyone thought to check the DNA from "The Louvre" against the national DNA database? Is it possible that one of Crystal's appointments earlier in the day on March 13th was with someone who wears a blue uniform (without a Blue Devil on it)?

Anonymous said...

Exactly WHO tipped off the news media about the lacrosse team showing up to have their DNA taken?

You're right about following the money on:
1) Crystal's housing and support for those many months.
2) SOMEONE or SOME ENTITY had to pay for the "Listening Ad"- where did the money come from?

TexasMom

sceptical said...

http://www.newsday.com/sports/college/ny-s...,2652508.column

Duke of all has his say

Steven Marcus
September 10, 2007

Nearly everyone connected with the Duke lacrosse case has heard of K.C. Johnson, the Brooklyn College professor who became the undeniable authority on all aspects of the headline grabbing scandal that Johnson fastidiously chronicled in his blog Durhaminwoderland.

Johnson's words stirred a frenzied crowd and brought along, perhaps (at least privately) to Johnson's chagrin, a cartload of ultra conservative thinkers bent on vilification of the stripper, the media, the university and the justice system. One blog entry from Johnson was worth at least a thousand words of approval from his attentive fans on the Internet.

Johnson, again unintentionally, may have appeared to be pandering to the Internet crowd but in reality was setting the stage for what must be considered the official record of Duke in the just released ``Until Proven Innocent,'' which not only lays out a solidly written literary and legal history of the case, but exposes the justice system of one small town and leaves one to conclude that not only can it happen again, but is occurring all the time, albeit under the media radar.

snip

Anonymous said...

I've always wondered who was it that made the cotton shirt remark and was he planning on coming forward at a trial to exonerate the other guys. I've also wondered who were the second two guys picked up by the cab driver who supported Reade's alibi. The cab driver said that the two discussed if the police would be called and one said something to the effect of, 'forget it, she's just a stripper'.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

12:50 -- did you also note that the haters can only reply in 4 letter Anglo-Saxon expletives?

9/10/07 2:53 PM

Yes, but f*#@ those f*#@ing f*#@ers ...

Anonymous said...

KC:

Only one question:

Why have there been no pictures ever shown of the bathroom where the alleged offenses took place?

Ken
Dallas

Gary Packwood said...

Penny 2:48 said...

...Are there any mental health professionals out there willing to give an armchair analysis of this guy?

...I'll take a shot at it as a psych nurse....
...I read KC's book cringing at how bad nursing started this nightmare into play. I can't say enough about the revulsion I feel toward Tara Levicy. I've worked in a university hospital system, Duke's comes up short.
::
You took a 'shot' at analysis of Nifong as a psych nurse and Tara took a 'shot' at analysis of Precious as a SANE nurse...and you feel revulsion towards Tara Levicy...the SANE Nurse?

Does this seem odd to you?

At least the SANE Nurse laid her eyes on the patient!

Why do I get the feeling that RN's have been attending bi-weekly assertiveness training workshops since Y2K and you have all overdosed on the training.

Sheesh!
::
GP

Anonymous said...

4:57 PM - I don't think you are seriously wondering anything, just trying to continue to slime the kids.

Nice try though.

Dukex4 said...

A question:

Who made the first complaint about Nifing to the NC Bar? Recall he wanted (or demanded) to know the person's identity as well.

Dukex4

Anonymous said...

Concur with 5:32. Good news is no one is listening to them.\
KC> continued thanks and hopes for successful future. If Steve Markus can come up with a positive review after all the damage he did in his own writing, I think that speaks volumes of your pursuit for truth and justice in this case.I hope it does help others to do the same for other wronged individuals. Thanks again.

no justice, no peace said...

Inre: "...I've always wondered who was it that made the cotton shirt remark and was he planning on coming forward at a trial to exonerate the other guys..."

This has been a point of confusion for me as well.

Did the comment suggest that the shirt was made in China or India?

Was he referring to a nice Madras or a possibly a standard, crew, or v-cut, t-shirt?

Would the abettors give him a pass were he referring to a Che Guevera's t-shirt - the one with the murderer wearing the sassy tam?

And what in the world was Kim Roberts point?

Maybe some of the relativists within the Klan of 88 can help clarify?

Robert's comment reminds me of the Richard Pryor bit about the two black guys having the contest to see which has the largest unit.

They go out on the Golden Gate bridge and the first pulls his unit out to urinate and exclaims, "Brother, this water is cold!"

And the other, responds, "Yeah, and it's deep too."

So in that context the lacrosse player's unit was almost 220 feet (clearance above mean higher high water)long. Does that qualify as little?

Maybe the Attorney General could investigate the language use that night instead of what appears to be a criminal conspiracy to violate many innocent citizens?

inman said...

njnp @ 6:08

There were actually three guys at the bridge. The third guy resonded to the first two:

"Yeah,...and its got a sandy bottom."

Anonymous said...

How many names and email addresses are in Wahneema Lubiano's email filter?

Is this her idea of dialogue?

Anonymous said...

question: Is "Friends of Duke" an apt title for this blog site?

Personally, I don't want to be friends with a moronic administration that is so afraid of blacks that it relaxes all academic standards for them.

Perhaps Duke needs to die, just like that other PC-drenched school that closed this year.

ABC said...

I'll take a shot at being an armchair psych nurse....

Nifong reminds me of a patient I received in chains one night on the locked ward. The state police brought him via helicopter from the scene of an attempted murder and house blaze. The guy tried to commit suicide by cop but his friends on the state police force wouldn't kill him. The patient, like Nifong, was bull headed, imperious, and even after what he had done his buddies in the state police would not abandon him. He broke so many laws and hurt so many people but after laying low for awhile he was back where he started - with a badge and a gun. Nifong must have a manipulative and charismatic personality, no conscience, no understanding nor care for other people's feelings, He lies, cheats, and yet has a growing fan club.

Diagnosis: Both men have antisocial personality disorder and are sociopaths. Most people with conduct disorders end up in the justice system. The two examples here are on the wrong side for now.

rrhamilton said...

Steven Marcus is doing the newest 88ist head-fake: Pretending to praise KC but really trying to promote the latest lying metanarrative (after the collapse of their first one).

"Johnson, again unintentionally, may have appeared to be pandering to the Internet crowd but in reality was setting the stage for [first, the pseudo-praise] what must be considered the official record of Duke in the just released ``Until Proven Innocent,'' which not only lays out a solidly written literary and legal history of the case, but exposes the justice system of one small town and leaves one to conclude [... wait for it! ...] that not only can it happen again, but is occurring all the time [yes, "all the time"!], albeit under the media radar [the NEW blue wall of silence, this time by the media!]."

At this rate expect them soon to say with a straight face, "And remember, Nifong was a Republican."

Penny said...

Hey, Gary, I'm not pretending to diagnosis Nifong in a clinical setting, get real.

Someone asked for a stab at what's wrong with the guy. I gave it.

Psych disorders don't require x-rays or lab values for validation. Psych is behavioral, the observation of a pattern of behavior. Nifong has supplied a pattern both verbally and in his actions for the past year. I doubt you'd find many people to defend that he isn't an anti-social.

Your last sentence is ridiculous. Whatever your problem with nurses in general doesn't belong here.

Anonymous said...

Gary Packwood said...
Brant Jones 7:39 said...

...After several failed attempts at identification, how did CGM just happen to pick three of the richest players on the team? Was she coached on selecting these in order to facilitate a healthy settlement from the players who would fear a he said/ she said trial?
::
Brant asks a key question I believe if we are ever to understand the extent that Duke faculty and students were directly and indirectly involved in moving the hoax forward.
::
GP

9/10/07 9:25 AM

=====================================================================
This a great point. Someone (?a lawyer) was able to find out about these 3 guys. You are right its unlikely these 3 were chosen by accident.

Debrah said...

To RRH--

KC liked the Marcus column.

To highlight it in such a way means he agrees with what was said.

Ha!

Who would have imagined? Old disgruntled Horwitz was right.

Anonymous said...

Penny said...
Hey, Gary, I'm not pretending to diagnosis Nifong in a clinical setting, get real.

Someone asked for a stab at what's wrong with the guy. I gave it.

Psych disorders don't require x-rays or lab values for validation. Psych is behavioral, the observation of a pattern of behavior. Nifong has supplied a pattern both verbally and in his actions for the past year. I doubt you'd find many people to defend that he isn't an anti-social.

Your last sentence is ridiculous. Whatever your problem with nurses in general doesn't belong here.

9/10/07 8:14 PM

========================
========================
Who knows? But the psych field tends to overlabel everybody.

What about "unethical jackass"? No matter what personality d/o he has: he wasnt bright enough to get into Duke, is a liar, and is unethical.

Anonymous said...

debrah,

what are you saying Horwitz was right about?

RRH

Debrah said...

TO RRH--

That KC was not exactly as I had envisioned.

The rushing toward a column and the things said by Marcus?

Not what I expected.

Anonymous said...

ah ok.

KC is a product of his environment. Smarter than most of them, but not able to escape the facts that he was (1) born in Massachusetts, (2)to public school teacher parents, and now (3)is a university professor (4) in Brooklyn. Do any of those four give a turn of mind that would lead KC to challenge the underlying assumptions (sometimes called "the metanarrative") that gave rise to the Lacrosse Hoax?

RRH

Anonymous said...

The metanarrative did not give rise to the hoax.

What gave rise to the hoax is whites' fears of black people, and blacks parlaying that realization into more AAAS and no prison for the whore.

Really, does anyone in the real world believe that whites gang-rape homely black women. The converse, of course, is a commonplace in America and Europe.

Debrah said...

TO RRH--

I don't categorize people like that.

You don't think everyone in the northeast is a liberal do you?

They certainly are not.

And contrary to the grotesque stereotyping of the hapless clown Mr. Marcus, not everyone supporting the lacrosse players on this blog is a conservative.

How can I be a conservative? That man is crazy.

Anonymous said...

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Comments and analysis about the Duke/Nifong case.

Monday, September 10, 2007
Unanswered Questions


As the blog winds down, I thought it might be interesting to turn to questions that remain unanswered in the case. It��s possible that information on some of these matters will come to light, especially if a criminal investigation occurs. I suspect, however, that the questions about Duke will never be answered.

Durham D.A��s Office

1.) It came out during the Mike Nifong ethics hearing that the ex-DA was planning to prosecute the case alongside ADA Tracey Cline (who still works for the office). How many conversations did Cline and Nifong have about the lacrosse case��and how much support did Cline provide for Nifong��s efforts?

2.) Why did Nifong��who had to have known that he needed a biased judge to get the case to trial��consent to the appointment of Judge Smith, who (unlike, say, Judge Ron Stephens) he couldn��t be sure would always rule in his favor?

3.) Did��as some defense attorneys believed��Stephens and Nifong have ex parte conversations about the case before the first two indictments?

4.) What sort of conversations occurred between Nifong and Linwood Wilson in the days before the Dec. 21 ��interview,�� in which Wilson and Mangum produced a wholly new version of events, one that minimized the importance of DNA?

Durham Police Department

1.) Just how did Sgt. Mark Gottlieb manage to wrest control of the case on March 14-March 15��and why did his superiors, who had been alerted of his abusive behavior toward Duke students, not assign someone else to head up the investigation?

2.) What, precisely, did Gottlieb tell the grand jury on April 17, 2006?


3.) Who ordered or authorized Cpl. David Addison to go on his March 24-March 26 slander spree, when he asserted, among other things, ��You are looking at one victim brutally raped. If that was someone else��s daughter, child, I don��t think 46 (tests) would be a large enough number to figure out exactly who did it��; ��Addison said police approached the lacrosse team with the five-page search warrant on March 16, but that all of the members refused to cooperate with the investigation��; There is ��really, really strong physical evidence��; and ��We��re not saying that all 46 were involved. But we do know that some of the players inside that house on that evening knew what transpired and we need them to come forward.��

4.) How involved was Deputy Chief Ron Hodge in the pre-indictment investigation; and what was the basis for his April 11, 2006 remark to MSNBC that ��I don��t think we would be here if it wasn't (a strong case)��?

5.) Why, exactly, did Police Chief Steve Chalmers decide to totally absent himself from departmental affairs (with the odd rationalization that he had to look after his mother, who lived in Durham, hardly someplace inaccessible) during the highest-profile investigation in his department��s history; and why did City Manager Patrick Baker allow Chalmers to do so?

Duke

1.) Did President Brodhead clear with the University Counsel��s office his summer 2006 response to Friends of Duke, in which he asserted that a trial would present an opportunity ��for our students to be proved innocent��?

2.) President Brodhead met with a delegation of African-American Studies faculty on April 3, 2006. If he could do things over again, would he have urged them to be sure that the Group of 88��s statement at least paid lip service to principles of due process?

3.) Why, even though he had been informed of in-class harassment of lacrosse players at an April 6, 2006 meeting with coaches, did neither President Brodhead nor anyone in his administration interview any of the lacrosse players to determine the truth of the issue?

4.) It has been widely rumored that multiple drafts of the Group of 88's ad exist, and that the Chronicle required some items to be toned down before printing the document. What was the language of the ad, as originally drafted by Wahneema Lubiano? And what evidence did Lubiano present to the Chronicle to substantiate the assertion that the ad received formal endorsement from five Duke academic departments?

5.) What, precisely, was the relationship between the Duke and Durham police forces between March 24, 2006 and early April 2006? We know now that at least two (previously unannounced) meetings between representatives of the two forces occurred.

6.) Why did her superiors at the Duke University Medical Center not doublecheck SANE nurse-in-training Tara Levicy��s work once it became clear that she was an incompetent ideologue? And what transpired at the June 2006 meeting between Nifong, Levicy, and Levicy��s supervisor, Teresa Arico��for which no notes were ever produced?

Crystal Mangum

What, precisely, was Mangum��s relationship with NCCU? How many courses had she really taken? Was she ever really a full-time student?

[And, picking up on the suggestion in the comment thread, I invite people to submit their own unanswered questions; will post the better ones later this week.]



Posted by KC Johnson at 12:01 AM

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156 comments:
Anonymous said...
I don't know if you have seen this but here is an interesting summary of the situation revealed in the Duke Hoax. An excellent read.
http://globalpolitician.com/articledes.asp?ID=3364&cid=1&sid=104

9/10/07 12:07 AM
Anonymous said...
Phenix City, Alabama. Durham, North Carolina. Decades apart, is the corruption just as deep. When will the federal prosecutors do their job and launch a criminal investigation of the city of Durham and the Durham police department?

9/10/07 12:12 AM
Anonymous said...
KC, if we're going to have an "Unanswered Questions" period, how about one for all us commenters -- We have far more than you do. :)

9/10/07 12:14 AM
Anonymous said...
How about what did Himan tell his grand jury?

9/10/07 12:16 AM
Jim in San Diego said...
Other unanswered questions:

1. Durham local government, local media, and other community leaders (NAACP, school leaders): why did no one make any attempt to inform the electorate that due process required that defendants be presumed innocent until proven guilty, and not the other way around? Or, that the purpose of a trial is not to give an accuser a chance to tell her story, or have the defendants prove their innocence?

2. Durham Judges: What were judges Ron Stevens and Marsha Morey doing cheerleading for Mike Niphong at and after his criminal contempt conviction? And, is it commonly understood by Durham judges that it is important for attorneys to be candid in court at trial, but not before?

9/10/07 12:33 AM
Anonymous said...
Crystal's children - where are her kids. If she had mental problems substantial enough so she could not be indicted, is the state of NC allowing her to keep her kids???

9/10/07 12:38 AM
Anonymous said...
JLS says....,

I have an answer to some and a bunch more of such questions.

The answer first. What was said to the grand juries was that Mangum said she was raped and she IDed Finnerty and Seligmann and she was pretty sure of Evans and he was connected to her by DNA. That is plenty for an indictment. Nifong did not have to have any official lie for an indictment.

Now one to other questions:

1. Why did the Durham access intake nurse suggest to Mangum she was raped? Did this nurse know Mangum was a nut job and want to pass her on to someone else? Or is the a common part of the intake process?

2. What is Mangum's relationship if any to previous NC NAACP leaders of the same last name? Is she related to past or current movers and shakers in the NC NAACP and did that cause the NC NAACP to become so anti-defendants rights in this case?

3. Why was Mangum given such a sweetheart plea bargain when when she previoulsy ran afould with the law and was originally charged with things like assaut and attempted murder of a police officer? Is this related to question 2?

4. Why was Judge Stephens so interested the security of Mangum's phone? Was this a general worry that Durham officials might have their numbers on that phone or was he trying to protect someone in particular?

5. What was on the DPD police radio tape the night and early morning of the incident that required that it be erased despite or maybe with the assistance of Stephens nod and wink order that it be preserved that did nothing to preserve it.

6. What did Duke do internally to penalize or at least warn its faculty to stop grade retaliation?

7. How much has Duke paid in settlements so far?

I doubt many people even read this far in my post. I could go on and on with questions that are so far unanswered about this mess.

9/10/07 12:39 AM
Anonymous said...
How many times did Nofing meet with CGM off the record, when, and what was discussed?

Did the DPD and/or someone in the DAs office coerce or coach CGM to make an ID in the taped session?

In Durham, who is responsible for investigating alledged crimes and who is responsible for procescuting cases? Who is resonsible for justice and who is subject to checks and limits commonly understood to flow from constitutional protections?

Who autorized the destruction of tapes? What else has been destroyed?

9/10/07 12:43 AM
Jim in San Diego said...
Some additional questions:

3. Why was Kim's bail reduced when she changed her story from "its a crock" to "something might have happened?

4. Why was the cab driver witness prosecuted over old, dubious allegations, when he would not change his story supporting the player's alibi?

9/10/07 12:51 AM
Anonymous said...
12:43 -- PD's tape reuse policy recycles tapes every 60 days unless the tape is pulled for longer retention. PD claimed, through Nifong, that by the time the official court order was issued on 5/18 -- they tape(s) had already been recycled/written over.

The defense motion asking for the retention of the tapes was filed in late April or early May -- either Nifong/Stephens didn't read and pass the request along to PD in time or ....

9/10/07 12:54 AM
Anonymous said...
12:43 -- PD's tape reuse policy recycles tapes every 60 days unless the tape is pulled for longer retention. PD claimed, through Nifong, that by the time the official court order was issued on 5/18 -- they tape(s) had already been recycled/written over.

The defense motion asking for the retention of the tapes was filed in late April or early May -- either Nifong/Stephens didn't read and pass the request along to PD in time or ....

9/10/07 12:54 AM
Anonymous said...
TEST

9/10/07 1:15 AM
Anonymous said...
QUESTION: Who was responsible for the "sting" e-mail? This was the e-mail that appeared to originate from the account of one of the players, and "informed" his teammates that he was sick of "covering up" and would be going to the police to tell them who was responsible for the "crime".

Of course, since there was no "crime" committed by the players, there was no one who panicked and said "We'd better get him before he gets us!" I'm sure whoever the Einstein was that sent the "sting" e-mail thought he/she was being all clever like the TV detectives and when someone rushed to the police to tell them "John Smith is lying! *He's* the one that did it, not me!" the police would say "A-ha! John Smith didn't say anything to us! But *you* just identified yourself as who John Smith *would* name!" Probably the thought never crossed this Barney Fife's mind that if the players really *had* committed a violent gang rape that they'd be capable of other violent crimes as well, and that if John Smith ended up beaten or killed, the clever Dick (no pun intended) who sent the false message would be responsible.

So... it might not be possible to determine for certain the individual who was at the keyboard composing the false message. But if the message could be verified to have been sent *from that account*, rather than just forged to look like it come from that account, the possible senders diminish in number...

9/10/07 1:19 AM
Anonymous said...
As a student of various intelligence scandals and coverups I am surprised by the number of people who are stunned by Mike Nifong's behavior -- he's not exactly the only rotten apple in the U.S.A.'s criminal justice system!! From a macro perspective, one has to remember there are presently two million Americans in prison at any given moment and another two million, who, if this were Switzerland, would be picked up and put back in jail. If, for a moment, you think this entire apparatus runs in an efficient, orderly, uniform, predictable way -- you are dreaming. The prison system alone is a total nightmare, a cesspool of HIV, Hep-C, gangs and rape.
Also, the average American's notion of his "right to a fair trial" has to be one of the most laughable concepts around:"fair" as long as the defendant has as many or more legal poker chips than the state, since the state is allowed to spend a relatively infinite amount of resources to convict Y-O-U.

9/10/07 1:30 AM
Anonymous said...
12:07 --

The Global Politician article is actually a rather poor read. Before even the first sub-heading it's littered with some very blatant errors:
* claims that Pittman and Mangum actually shopped together at the Kroger's supermarket after leaving the party (Mangum was feigning unconsciousness in Pittman's car, not toodling up and down aisles)
* claims that Pittman and Mangum "decided to organize a scam against 'the white boys'" during their grocery shopping (which makes no sense, since if true Pittman would have been trying to support Mangum's account, not call it a "crock")
* "Mangum claimed 20 men raped her. Then she claimed it was two. Then three. Then five. Then she left Kroger." (Mangum did not make any claims of being raped to anyone at Kroger. She did not claim she had been raped at all until a nurse at Durham Access suggested it to her, and Durham Access is where she was taken from Kroger.)
* "Several days later, Mangum emailed a public relations firm to see how she can spin the claims to her further advantage." (If the rest of the article wasn't so error-ridden, I might give it the benefit of the doubt. However, given the writer's clear propensity to jumble facts, I have no doubt that he is mixing up Mangum with Pittman here, since Pittman notoriously e-mailed the New York public relations firm that handles "Li'l Kim", asking them "how to spin this to my advantage.")

In summary, this article may be more favorably disposed towards the players than the infamous Duff Wilson hackjob, but that doesn't stop it from actually being a worse article.

9/10/07 1:37 AM
Anonymous said...
PD's tape reuse policy recycles tapes every 60 days unless the tape is pulled for longer retention.

Even if the tape was reused, can't taped-over recordings still be recovered?

Also, I'd like to know how many tapes have to be recycled to save enough money to pay the settlement for the civil lawsuits being brought against DPD.

9/10/07 1:47 AM
Anonymous said...
What prior relationship do these 2 women have with the DPD? I always had the feeling, for 2 lawbreakers, they were fairly comfortable with the DPD.

Why was that Nartey guy not appropriately punished? (setting aside the race issue--he threatened a child!) Where was the local child rights types? Why no outrage or anger?

Why was Coach K (the most famous and respected guy at Duke)not utilized in some useful fashion?

Regarding the Gang of 88: how many are stupid and how many are just evil?

Why is Dr Meehan still in business? How can anything from his lab be trusted?

Does Brodhead know his career is finished? That when he dies even the NYT will be pretty rough on him in the obits?

Who else in the DAs office helped with this case? Why are they so quiet?

Why didnt a young AA lawyer with political aspirations take the right side in this case>? In the long run, he would have a great shot at all sorts of political offices (kind of like Adenaur in Germany after WW20--> one of the few untainted by the prior evil leadership.

Finally, why does Durham and Duke seem to have more low character/useless people per capita than any place in America (im not including liestoppers, this blog, the car driver,etc.

ALLIE

9/10/07 2:23 AM
Anonymous said...
The Duke Law School web page lists over 150 faculty... other than Prof. Coleman, where were these legal scholars when President Broadhead was looking forward to his students having the opportunity to prove their innocence?



-RD

9/10/07 2:24 AM
rrhamilton said...

Anonymous said...
As a student of various intelligence scandals and coverups I am surprised by the number of people who are stunned by Mike Nifong's behavior -- he's not exactly the only rotten apple in the U.S.A.'s criminal justice system!! From a macro perspective, one has to remember there are presently two million Americans in prison at any given moment and another two million, who, if this were Switzerland, would be picked up and put back in jail. If, for a moment, you think this entire apparatus runs in an efficient, orderly, uniform, predictable way -- you are dreaming. The prison system alone is a total nightmare, a cesspool of HIV, Hep-C, gangs and rape.
Also, the average American's notion of his "right to a fair trial" has to be one of the most laughable concepts around:"fair" as long as the defendant has as many or more legal poker chips than the state, since the state is allowed to spend a relatively infinite amount of resources to convict Y-O-U.

9/10/07 1:30 AM

Again we have someone pimping the 88ers' new case metanarrative: The American justice system is corrupt; only the rich can get off.

People, you did not fall for the 88ers old metanarrative (the one positing a history of white men as feral beasts drooling at the sight of black women). Do not fall for this new bullshit. The problem isn't with the American justice system, it's with the old metanarrative.

9/10/07 2:35 AM
Anonymous said...
JLS says....,

I have an answer to some and a bunch more of such questions.

The answer first. What was said to the grand juries was that Mangum said she was raped and she IDed Finnerty and Seligmann and she was pretty sure of Evans and he was connected to her by DNA. That is plenty for an indictment. Nifong did not have to have any official lie for an indictment.

Now one to other questions:

1. Why did the Durham access intake nurse suggest to Mangum she was raped? ...

7. How much has Duke paid in settlements so far?

I doubt many people even read this far in my post. I could go on and on with questions that are so far unanswered about this mess.

9/10/07 12:39 AM


JLS, I read that far, but I can only give an answer to the first question. I too would like to hear the answer to the 7th.

As to the first, my impression is that the SANE nurse was trying to conduct a by-the-book examination. Because of CGM's inability to give a narrative response to a question such as, "What happened tonight?", the nurse finally fell back on "yes/no" questions and so asked, "Were you raped?"

CGM heard the magic, get out of jail free words, and said "Yes". The rest is history.

RRH

9/10/07 2:43 AM
Cedarford said...
A few extras for you KC, but 1st, let me say you did a magnificent job, not just in helping the accused and their lawyers with near-daily analysis and uncovery of info, not just in putting the spotlight on people now facing litigation, but in highlighting a faculty problem now about as well-known and understood as the Larry Summers or Ward Churchill cases.
Grade retaliation, hated students so much they filed for a change of venue based on prejudiced profs? Geeez, how did these people get tenure? How did the ringleader not only get tenure but be a Department head and chairing tenure committees when she never published! And each one of the 88 is something else, and not in a good way...

9/10/07 3:21 AM
haskell said...
During their time in Purgatory, the lacrosse team kept a list of those antagonistic towards them. So ... who is on the Grail list and in what order?

9/10/07 3:35 AM
Anonymous said...
What were the dimensions of the bathroom at the house the party was held in?
What happened to the money found at the house?

9/10/07 3:48 AM
Anonymous said...
What did the so-called leadership in the black community know about Mangum? Chalmers "recused" himself, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton either left town or avoided further comment. People in positions of responsibility knew about Mangum's past and personality. What did they know? This whole affair has aspects of a Zen koan somewhat like the sound of one hand clapping . . . all the evil has been applied to the young men of the lacrosse team . . . and in reality the evil is in the missing hand . . . there is the evil in the Group of 88, Nifong, and their assemblege of enablers in this hoax. The lacrosse team is very special in the light of the monsters they have had to face down.

9/10/07 4:17 AM
Cedarford said...
Now my little list:

1. Have attorneys ID'd people photographed with the "castrate" poster? I'd like their names published. Not for really for lawsuits, but for public shame, as this case wraps up.

2. The Authors of the Vigilante Poster. Duke students and employees, or outsiders? Sam Hummel? Sebring? Were Duke parties involved part of the Duke Settlement?

3. Little has been said about litigation of other players. Especially Ryan MacFayden, who might have been the most demonized of the players - for the public release of his private email by DPD. After Duke PD got all private student emails & handed it over to DPD w/o warrant or NTO authorization or a zealous Duke employee did. And he refused to make a false witness statement under that blackmail threat. Who in DPD was in on the blackmail threat and was the judge a patsy?
Know anything about litigation by players other than the 3, against Duke and City of Durham, KC?

4. Wendy Murphy. Because she claimed to be talking in an official capacity as a law professor representing New England School of Law in her various media rants, and because she regularly wrote defamatory statements on the Federal goverment supported website (via CDC) National Sexual Violence Policy Centers - Murphy's current defense that she is just a pundit paid to say provocative things on TV simply for entertainment value, and not just the Duke case, seems very weak.

She did her campaign of defamation at a NGO using Federal funds, she represented herself as a law professor giving expert opinion in the Duke case, and demonstrably lied on several occasions.

It is daunting for the slandered and libeled to sue a newspaper or media conglomerate with tons of money and huge legal resources and threat of 1st Amendment fights taking 10 years to go through courts.... Tough to make the Herald Sun, NY Times, Nancy Grace Show producers under Time-Warners lawyers pay - though they deserve to.
But Murphy is low-hanging fruit. She is an independent contractor to the media, not an employee, doing multiple shows for an appearance fee. No deep pockets lawyers protect her.
It would be nice to see at least one media talking head slimeball pay as a warning shot to all the media that they are not immune when they meddle in justice and due process.
Thoughts?

5. Is there any talk of a review of the Hardin-Nifong-DPD-Judge Stevens cabal being investigated for possible past acts of railroading and civil rights violations?
Seems the Feds have grounds to come in..

9/10/07 4:20 AM
Roboguy said...
Question - Duke made the effort to crack down on campus drinking and immature behavior and then provided off campus rental houses to students which resulted in defacto "Frat Houses" which were unregulated and unsupervised. How does the DPD feel about Duke outsourcing their issues with student drinking to the Durham community? Will Duke take back it's responsibility in this area?

9/10/07 5:14 AM
Anonymous said...
Is it possible for Brodhead to get a spine transplant?

9/10/07 6:32 AM
Anonymous said...
Has anyone contacted Lin Wood to pursue litigation regarding media statements? (I, too, am particularly thinking of Wendy Murphy and Nancy Grace.)

Where DID the "sting" email come from.

Who was responsible for the Vigilante poster?

9/10/07 6:33 AM
Anonymous said...
I read somewhere that Nifong had a relationship with Crystal's family. What was his relationship with her? She is being protected far too much in this case...why?

9/10/07 6:34 AM
Anonymous said...
If universities like Duke feel they have issues/problems with underage and binge drinking, loud parties, poor driving, etc. -- what are they doing about it other than outsourcing as 5:14 describes?

9/10/07 6:37 AM
Anonymous said...
Is Levicy a Communist?

9/10/07 6:44 AM
bill anderson said...
Did the DPD, Michael Nifong's DA's office, or DUMC use ANY federal funds via the Violence Against Women Act in conjunction with any aspect of this case? If so, the feds do not have to look any farther for a hook on which to hang a criminal investigation.

9/10/07 6:59 AM
Anonymous said...
For Duke or Durham PD....How was the McFadyen e-mail obtained without a subpoena? We KNOW it did not come from the captains computers? It set off a firestorm even though there is nothing racial about it(crude yes) and Liefong already knew CM did not recognize him OR that there was any of his DNA anywhere! Gottleib does not say.

9/10/07 7:10 AM
mac said...
This one's been asked - (by me and lots of others) - but it deserves an answer: whose the DNA was on CGM's person? Whose "privacy" was Nifong protecting?

Second question: is CGM a narc?

Third question: will Crimestoppers - (and their posters) - be an issue here, in the case agaisnt Durrhh?

Fourth question: Where is Mr. Elmostafa? Has anyone interviewed him?

Fifth question: was Levicy asked to leave DUMC?

Sixth question: did Levicy's leaving have anything to do with Duke's (and presumably DUMC's) settlement with the accused?

Seventh question: how many of the other lacrosse players are going to sue (someone?)

Eighth question: what does it take for the Justice Dept. to step in?

9/10/07 7:14 AM
Anonymous said...
After several failed attempts at identification, how did CGM just happen to pick three of the richest players on the team? Was she coached on selecting these in order to facilitate a healthy settlement from the players who would fear a he said/ she said trial?

Brant Jones

9/10/07 7:39 AM
Anonymous said...
At the risk of beating a dead horse, let me once more urge all North Carolinians to write to your State representatives and senators urging them to amend the grand jury law that is on the books now and which allowed Nifong's minions to get indictments in a case with ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE THAT A CRIME HAD EVEN BEEN COMMITTED! I have written to Marc Basnight, President Pro Tem or the NC Senate, but he replied with a "thanks for your interesting opinion, but I'm not going to do anything about the problem." This weakness in the state law is the main point exploited by Gottlieb and Himan and lord knows how many other crooked cops. Force the issue, folks! Write! Call! Visit!

9/10/07 7:40 AM
Anonymous said...
ABout KC's Chronicle ad questions, maybe one of KC's Duke connections could help out here. Couldn't somebody connected with Duke call the Chronicle and ask what the procedures are for submitting that kind of ad? Shouldn't the newspaper have some kind of form or something that would have asked Lubiano to support her claim about the endorsements?

And same thing with original drafts. If rumor's right and Chronicle said tone it down shouldn't there be some kind of record at the newspaper that somebody who is a Dukie could get at, or at least ask about?

If nothing else a question about standard procedures for acceptance of ad content would help us have more than rumors.

How about it folks? Especially those of you at Duke that care about what happened and support KC's efforts. Throw some help KC's way. He shouldn't have to do everything.

9/10/07 7:52 AM
jim2 said...
The "erased tapes" - will some one eventually come forward with a different version of what happnened?

If so, that could lead to additional criminal charges.

9/10/07 8:05 AM
Anonymous said...
My one disappointment with the book was there were no pictures, plans or other descriptions of the bathroom. It is my expectation that the room is just too small for the alleged activity, but I have never seen an accurate description.--buddy

9/10/07 8:08 AM
Anonymous said...
Roboguy at 5:14--your general question about "outsourcing" is relevant. But to be clear, Duke did not "provide" offcampus housing to students.

The university actually requires students to live on campus for three years (with some exceptions for second semester juniors returning from study abroad); many students move off campus senior year, but they are not required, or even encouraged, to by Duke.

The lacrosse house and other houses owned by Duke were never rented by Duke to students; instead they were purchased in order to rehab and resell them to owner-occupiers who were not students, but families. However, Duke bought the properties subject to existing lease agreements, which were with students.

9/10/07 8:10 AM
Anonymous said...
KC,

Have you interviewed Freda Black?

9/10/07 8:20 AM
Anonymous said...
A lot of the questions about Duke faculty and administration actions would be answered if some enterprising whistleblower on the Duke IT staff were to excavate a batch of emails from their servers.

This is the sort of stuff that would have come out in discovery had the university gone to trial in a civil suit. You can draw some conclusions about how damning it is by the speed with which Duke settled.

9/10/07 8:30 AM
Anonymous said...
I have a question:
Why are there so many unanswered questions in this matter?

9/10/07 8:36 AM
Anonymous said...
What is Duke's policy on their network and computers? I would assume McFayden computer was his own, but would also assume that the network and servers used for connection were Duke's. So -- would Duke claim the right to give LE that email without a supoena as it was on their network and their server? This is the rule I work under at my company....no right to computer privacy -- it's their computer, their network, etc.

9/10/07 8:44 AM
Penny said...
1. Why did the Durham access intake nurse suggest to Mangum she was raped? Did this nurse know Mangum was a nut job and want to pass her on to someone else? Or is the a common part of the intake process?

I am a psych nurse that has worked many years in various Crisis/Intake units. It is NOT a a direct question I would ask unless the client indicated to me that they had a specific physical trauma that needed to be immediately medically addressed. If clients don't state they were raped as a chief complaint in their initial explanation of why they are there, the events surrounding their coming to the unit, it would be totally inappropriate to ask. You do not give often unreliable and manipulative psych clients suggestions. It's improper interviewing.

Both nurses in this sordid saga were sub-standard clinicians in my opinion. I can't figure out how Tara Levicy was able to operate with so much autonomy. Before I ever spoke with police, I would have accessed the doctor and probably the administration to review all clinical records and opinions.

Tara Levicy should no longer have a nursing license. She violated nursing ethics. The other nurse was just stupid, most likely poorly trained.

9/10/07 8:49 AM
another.anon said...
What was on Mangum's cell phone that the judge was covering up?

9/10/07 8:55 AM
Anonymous said...
JC, many thanks for the great blog. As it winds down, I want to say how much I appreciated your coverage. As a taxpaying citizen of Durham, I have a lot of questions for the candidates in the upcoming elections, thanks to your excellent blog. Fare thee well.

Walt, in Durham

9/10/07 8:59 AM
Anonymous said...
Here's my question: Will Tom Hanks be cast as K.C. in the UPI movie?

9/10/07 9:24 AM
Gary Packwood said...
Brant Jones 7:39 said...

...After several failed attempts at identification, how did CGM just happen to pick three of the richest players on the team? Was she coached on selecting these in order to facilitate a healthy settlement from the players who would fear a he said/ she said trial?
::
Brant asks a key question I believe if we are ever to understand the extent that Duke faculty and students were directly and indirectly involved in moving the hoax forward.
::
GP

9/10/07 9:25 AM
Anonymous said...
Did anyone in the Durham D.A's Office ever have any doubts about Nifong's actions. I can't believe he was able to maintain a total vacuum around the case. I would presume there was some "shop" talk between ADA's, paralegals and admistrative folks. One would think at least a few people asked Nifong a probing question or two.

9/10/07 9:32 AM
GPrestonian said...
Durham D.A��s Office:

What sort of conversations occurred between Nifong, Linwood, and DPD about the arrest of Elmostafa, & between Nifong and Ashley Cannon regarding the prosecution of Elmostafa?

9/10/07 9:37 AM
Ralph Phelan said...
How much money did the City of Durham, County of Durham and State of North Carolina respectively spend on room, board and other support for Crystal Mangum?

What is their usual policy and practice with regards to supporting witnesses?

9/10/07 9:38 AM
Ralph Phelan said...
"Why, exactly, did Police Chief Steve Chalmers decide to totally absent himself from departmental affairs ... during the highest-profile investigation in his department��s history; and why did City Manager Patrick Baker allow Chalmers to do so?"

One theory is that Chalmers was smart enough to realize the whose thing was a bad idea wanted to keep his hands off it, and Baker didn't want to risk him blowing the game if forced to participate against his will.

9/10/07 9:41 AM
Gary Packwood said...
The Duke University Senior Administrative Job Performance System

Duke uses a 360o and anonymous job performance system for senior administrators whereby a persons continued employment is based on what anonymous faculty, staff and students have to say about their job performance.

Is this job performance system itself a key reason that Broadhead and his senior staff never took action to end the hoax?
::
GP

9/10/07 9:43 AM
Ralph Phelan said...
How much did the City & County of Durham and the State of North Carolina pay to house, feed and otherwise support Crystal Mangum.

How does this amount and her treatment in general compare to policies in place and to the way other witnesses have been treated?

9/10/07 9:51 AM
Anonymous said...
How in the hell can Duke continue to employ Kim Curtis? She is a complete disgrace.

9/10/07 9:52 AM
Ralph Phelan said...
Anonymous 9/10/07 9:52 AM
said...
"How in the hell can Duke continue to employ Kim Curtis? She is a complete disgrace."

Many of the "questions" I'm seeing are in fact just expressions of disgust.

Let's try to stick to actual attempts to gain detailed information about facts and events, rather than more general questions about the nature of evil that have are unanswerable in any manner comprehensible to a sane and moral mind.

9/10/07 9:58 AM
Anonymous said...
I have wondered why it tool so long to get from 610 Buchanan to the Kroger store? What happened during that time?

9/10/07 9:59 AM
Anonymous said...
My nagging question: What on earth would possess any parent to commit $40K or $50K a year to send their kid to Duke after what's been revealed about that cesspool? The core of the problem is Americans have been brainwashed to believe that everybody should get a college education. Face it, people, there are a helluva lot of kids who can't be educated beyond their limited intellect, and a student attending the likes of Duke is vulnerable to the evil perpetrated by the Group of 88 and their enablers. Think about it.

9/10/07 10:00 AM
inman said...
The lacrosse team paid Mangum & Roberts $800 for 2 hours of dancing. Mangum & Roberts danced for four minutes, so all they earned was $26.67.

My question:

Did the lacrosse team get their $773.33 refund?

9/10/07 10:07 AM
KC Johnson said...
Let me echo Ralph P's point--some of these questions are very interesting ones indeed.

9/10/07 10:09 AM
Anonymous said...
What members of Durham police and DA were involved with Crystal in her previous conviction and her relative's murder case? Were these same people involved also in Duke Hoax?

9/10/07 10:10 AM
inman said...
On a more serious note...

Brodhead made this statement in his August interview with 60 Minutes:

"The facts kept changing. Every day we learned new things that no one knew the day before. Every day we were being urged to speak with certainty about facts that were full of great uncertainty at that point." (amphasis added)

Who was 'urging' Brodhead to speak and what was the nature of that 'urging'? Was there any written communication or e-mails that memorialized that urging? And if so, were any of the faculty or other administration officials consulted by or about those who urged Brodhead to speak with certainty?

9/10/07 10:14 AM
Anonymous said...
Why didn't the DPD plant evidence in the case?

Although I am not a lawyer, it seems to me that it is more convicing to a jury to have hard evidence, and once the evidence is planted, it is impossible to prove that it is not authentic.

9/10/07 10:17 AM
Carolyn said...
Who deliberately edited Ryan's email?

The sole reason for releasing his email was because the case had just collapsed due to the lab finding NO DNA of any of the LAX players on Crystal. The email re-ignited the case by tricking the media and the world into mistakenly thinking a sexual assault had taken place. But the only way Ryan's email could do that would be if it was FIRST twisted around with important parts erased, things taken out of context, etc.

Thus, whomever edited the email committed fraud, perjury and assault on Ryan (and by extension, Reade, Dave and Collin).

So, who edited Ryan's email?

9/10/07 10:18 AM
Anonymous said...
What exactly is CGM's relationship with the Durham Police Department?

I read earlier (either Liestoppers or FR) that when Crystal was picked up and taken to Duke Access one of the policemen said over the police radio that he was going to drive by Crystal's house and check on the little ones.

As another poster asked, is she a narc? or is the Durham PD still running that prostitution ring?

9/10/07 10:29 AM
miramar said...
KC, you ask, "What, precisely, was Mangum��s relationship with NCCU? How many courses had she really taken? Was she ever really a full-time student?"

I have always found it interesting that then-NCCU President Ammons kept a very diplomatic silence throughout the proceedings, which suggests to me that he knew that CGM was not all she was made out to be. After all, if she was not enrolled (which I don't know how she could be if she was coming home at 6:00 AM after her gigs), the administration would have figured that out after looking at her transcript online. So I would add to your question: If Ammons had additional information on CGM, which I suspect he did, did he inform Brodhead about it? They certainly had a number of meetings, so there would have been ample opportunity for them to discuss CGM.

9/10/07 10:30 AM
Anonymous said...
"...the ad received formal endorsement from five Duke academic departments."

What steps has Duke as an institution (rather than KC and others privately) taken (a) to determine whether the faculty departments in question in fact endorsed the ad in accordance with department procedure, (b) if not, to determine if individual faculty members knowingly used the name of the concerned department(s) without proper authorization, (c) to determine whether department funds were used to pay for the ad and, if so, was that in accordance with applicable Duke procedures, (d) to determine if publication of the ad, whether or not properly authorized and funded, was consistent with applicable Duke procedures and the obligation to protect the interest of students, (e) determine if any Duke faculty member engaged in misconduct with respect to the treatment of lacrosse team members or their supporters in class or in grades, (f) if improper conduct occurred, to seek to prevent such conduct from occurring in the future and (g) if improper conduct occurred, to hold the individuals and departments engaged in that conduct publicly accountable for their misconduct.

Unless I am mistaken, this is not a set of issues that lies solely within the province of the departments concerned and their faculty - it is within the competence of the faculty of Duke generally and the Duke Administration as well.

BTW, is there a formal grievance process that can be triggered by an individual (faculty or student)?

9/10/07 10:31 AM
Debrah said...
KC,

Have you interviewed Freda Black?


Please. No more seasoned cronies--former or present--from the Durham district attorney's office for the public to endure.

Although Black would have been far and away a better choice than Mikey.....she's no prize.

What would she have to offer?

That she was very upset when Mikey fired her?

That she will be running for DA soon?

That she is dismayed by what Mikey did to Durham's reputation?

Who cares? These refugees from the (Jim Hardin DA days) are basically from the same mold. They couldn't practice in Durham, otherwise.

9/10/07 10:39 AM
Debrah said...
I have wondered why it took so long to get from 610 Buchanan to the Kroger store? What happened during that time?

Well......Kim Roberts had to take the time to concoct a phony racial slur incident outside the house by calling the DPD.

Then she had to convince a drugged-out Mangum to stay in the car so they could get away with keeping all the money...while faking injury from "racial taunts" which Roberts, herself, instigated.

Next, Roberts had to placate Mangum as she begged to be bruised and beaten. HIt me!.....she reportedly implored Roberts.

This was a scam from the start which snowballed to suit these two women who were out to make some easy money off the streets.

It's just as one of Mangum's former employers opined...(to paraphrase)....What happened to the lacrosse players that night could have happened to any other man out there. They just had the bad luck.

9/10/07 10:50 AM
Anonymous said...
KC:

It seems the more questions that get answered, the more questions that arise.

I believe one thing is apparent. The frame-up was conducted with the cooperation of the DPD, the city fathers, the Duke administration, certain district judges and the media. The breadth of it is stupifying.

The single most important question (that will be answered soon) is : what will the City of Durham do?

With the mindset that permeates this community, it is my belief that they will admit nothing and will fight the lawsuit until the bitter end. I could be wrong but the PC disease that afflicts Durham hasn't been addressed.

in retrospect, its not the frameup that defies logic. Its the total community denial of what happened that is mindboggling.



Ken
Dallas

9/10/07 10:58 AM
Penny said...
Here's a question in line with my earlier statement, why did the hospital administration allow Tara Levicy to be point person in this high profile case? Her continued egregiously unsubstantiated insistance that Magnum was raped to the police had to have come to light and should have had them combing the records and interviewing the attending doctor.

She should have been be put on leave or fired as soon as it became clear what she was doing.

9/10/07 10:58 AM
Debrah said...
I have always found it interesting that then-NCCU President Ammons kept a very diplomatic silence throughout the proceedings, which suggests to me that he knew that CGM was not all she was made out to be.

This is the unwritten and unspoken (for public consumption) code in the black community.

Anyone having the gall to say this is painting with a broad brush doesn't know much at all about the black community--no matter what socio-economic level.

And its one of the things that keeps this often self-segregated group marginalized in many social circles.

Who can have an authentic conversation when everyone else is expected not to discuss the reality of what occurs in our country everyday.

No one wants to come right out and say it. Our society has been conditioned to gloss over circumstances when the black community wants to play the victim role.

The lacrosse case brings this reality together into a nightmare/comedy presentation.

And on a national stage.

9/10/07 11:01 AM
Ralph Phelan said...
Anonymous 9/10/07 10:31 AM said...
"...the ad received formal endorsement from five Duke academic departments.

What steps has Duke as an institution ..."
That one's pretty easy. Nothing.

"BTW, is there a formal grievance process that can be triggered by an individual (faculty or student)?"
That's an interesting question.

I've already decided that Duke's professors are collectively a bunch of pussies.

But if there's some way professors could complain about departments signing ads in violation of written policy, or about miriam cooke disrupting a Horowitz speech in violation of written policy, and it hasn't been used, then every single professor at Duke is also individually themselves a pussy.

9/10/07 11:03 AM
xutag77 said...
Many of these questions ware making the assumption of a minimal level of compentence or fairness.

Many (most) actors in this case achieved neither.

With this view of the proceedings most of the questions become self answering.

For instance
"Why, even though he had been informed of in-class harassment of lacrosse players at an April 6, 2006 meeting with coaches, did neither President Brodhead nor anyone in his administration interview any of the lacrosse players to determine the truth of the issue?"

The answer is easy, Duke and Broadhead did not really want to determine the truth of the issue. Why? If they did they would have to do something about it. That would be a public relations and legal nightmare.

9/10/07 11:08 AM
Anonymous said...
Others have mentioned this, but: There is no doubt in my mind that Precious had a previous "relationship" with the Durham cops, which is the biggest and ugliest secret of this whole affair.

It explains so much: Why Durham cops would work so hard to pin a non-existent crime on whomever Precious named; why she wasn't seriously imprisoned for trying to run-over a Durham cop in a stolen taxicab; why nobody is interested in prosecuting her now; why no cops even call the childrens protection agencies to investigate her, when the NC Attorney General has told the world that her grip on reality is non-existent.

This is the big secret that makes this well-placed, well-used prostitute so radioactive. If she's put under pressure, law enforcement is terrified of what she might blurt out, or threaten to reveal.

But we'll never get to the bottom of what happened, and why, until the relationship between Crystal Gail Mangum and Durham police is completely laid bare.

For this to happen, somebody -- somewhere -- will have to show some genuine political courage and integrity. Until, then, any "investigation" is a joke.

9/10/07 11:13 AM
Debrah said...
I was flipping throught the N&O this morning. I think it was the Sunday paper since I haven't even looked at today's yet.

There was a photo of Mikey coming out of jail which I hadn't seen before. His mouth was turned downward in a scowl as Peterson and the other dizzingly goofy supporters huddled around him.

This man is indecent, no doubt, but I believe that he is definitely mentally ill. All joking aside, he has to be.

I think he should be closely monitored by someone in the media to see if he moves on to do further damage to someone else......even if it's flipping burgers.

We've all joked about this a lot, but look at Durham as a town. Who would sit back and pretend that Mikey is the only thing wrong there?

9/10/07 11:20 AM
no justice, no peace said...
KC the fact that your efforts have and will lead to additional inquiry speaks volumes of your work. It is incumbement upon us all to continue to peel away the onion.

I don't think it overstates the obvious to say that these are the "times that try men's soul" with the very dangerous cultural police that have infected the academy, the press, the government, etc.

We can do better, we must do better. We have seen the alternative and it is not acceptable.

��These are the times that try men��s souls: The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country; but he that stands it NOW, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.�� ��Thomas Paine

Your efforts are a roadmap on how and why we all should "stand(s) it NOW" and why you deserve "the love and thanks of man and woman".

9/10/07 11:22 AM
Michael said...
Regarding Addison, we did some analysis at Liestoppers and I think that we came to the conclusion that Lamb (don't remember his rank) probably had the most to do with Addison doing what he did.

9/10/07 11:33 AM
Debrah said...
I want to know how much information Mayor Bell and the rest of the Durham City Council had about this case from the start.

We all remember seeing Bell and a few council members sitting on a podium at the ridiculous NCCU forum in the beginning.

They tell city manager what to do. Each is in close contact with him, and he is always in close contact with the DPD.

All of these people remained so silent.

I believe they knew these charges had no basis. I also believe that some knew all about Mangum and her sordid history.

In Durham, the city council members (a few of them with the right melanin supply) are unusually chummy with the police chief.

One council member used to get free chauffer service from his predecessor...going back and forth to certain meetings and events.

They don't operate normally over there...and don't wish to.

9/10/07 11:39 AM
Anonymous said...
What happened to Crystal's shoe?

9/10/07 11:42 AM
Debrah said...
.....miriam cooke disrupting a Horowitz speech in violation of written policy.....

I thought that was the funny woman Diane Nelson who did that.

Was cooke involved as well?

9/10/07 11:44 AM
Ralph Phelan said...
xutag77 said...
"Many of these questions ware making the assumption of a minimal level of compentence or fairness.

Many (most) actors in this case achieved neither.

With this view of the proceedings most of the questions become self answering"

That's what I was trying to get at. Thanks for putting it better than I did.

Let's concentrate on the questions that remain after applying xutag77's assumptions.

In reflecting on my still-developing understanding of this case, there is only one guiding principle that has yet to let me down: "No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up."

9/10/07 11:53 AM
bill anderson said...
Ralph Phelan said...

How much did the City & County of Durham and the State of North Carolina pay to house, feed and otherwise support Crystal Mangum.

How does this amount and her treatment in general compare to policies in place and to the way other witnesses have been treated?
9/10/07 9:51 AM

I would say that it is almost a given that Durham used federal funds from the Violence Against Women Act to spend on Crystal. The government makes money available for "rape victims," and knowing Durham and Nifong, I would be pretty sure that they would have used that money instead of their own local funds.

This would not be hard to verify, and while I have not done any verification, logic tells me that they were using that money. If that is the case, then we have a situation in which officials (and Crystal) used federal money fraudulently, which is a serious felony. So, if Durham and Nifong did use VAWA funding in any way to promote or help the Hoax along, they are criminally vulnerable.

9/10/07 11:55 AM
Anonymous said...
I have some questions about the Gang of 88 ad in the Chronicle. I understand the ad received formal endorsement from five Duke academic departments. Who actually paid for the ad? Was it paid for by one of these departments with Duke University funds or was it paid for by one of the individual professors? If it was paid for with Duke funds, are there no rules covering University money expenditures???? Just wondering...

9/10/07 11:56 AM
Matthew said...
How could so many factions be so stupid? Why is it wrong in America to be white and work hard? Why does being white and "Privileged" make it ok to be brought up on rape charges and to go through hell?

9/10/07 12:05 PM
Anonymous said...
What was the level of cooperation between the Duke PR office and the Durham Herald-Sun in creating a public bias against the Duke lacrosse players?

As events unfolded, it appeared that the outrageously one-sided coverage of the Herald-Sun was Bob Ashley's way of placating his A-A readership.

But as more information came to light, it appears as though there was a coordinated effort between the Herald-Sun and the Duke PR department to smear the lacrosse players. In particular, the near simultaneous announcements emanating from Duke alum Ashley's H-S, and the offices of Duke PR head John Burness, and other members of the Duke administration and BOT, including Brodhead and Steel, indicate a worrisome level of coordination.

It is possible that Bob Ashley was taking "marching orders" directly from Durham's "largest employer", Duke University. If so, the culpability on Duke's part for damages done to the lacrosse players is astounding.

9/10/07 12:20 PM
Anonymous said...
JLS says....,

re: anon 7:40

Sorry but you are wrong in two dimension:

1. Mangum crying rape and IDing three people is plenty of evidence for indictments. That is why the DA and the police to a lessor extent are to be checks on false allegations. It is what is called prosecutorial disscretion.

2. While NC should record the grand jury testimony, the BIGGEST program by far with the NC system is the case management system allowed in Durham which unbalances the balance between the judge and the DA. The judge is no longer neutral and must do the DA's bidding or risk getting nothing but unimportant cases. Getting NC judges back to neutral in cases is the most fundamental reform needed.

9/10/07 12:23 PM
Anonymous said...
Here are my unanswered questions:

1. Why has CGM not been prosecuted for making up a story. Im sure if thre was as much effort toward investigating what she did and whatr she said throughout the whole process, it would be clear she knew what she was doing and was using those in power who hate Duke to facillitate her actions.

2. Why is it three kids from Duke wrongly accused of a crime and who had a DA withhold evidence who can afford good lawyers not only get vindicated but can threaten to sue and likely settle various entities for millions of dollars without ever having served a day in jail or been convicted of anything yet a man in the same state, under very similar circumstances, gets convicted because of these actions and winds up on Death Row(Gell) yet after he is shown freedom, the DAs do not get disbarred and the proper entities sued for millions and a settlement achieved with little or no fight?

3. If the boys deserve all they can get for what happened, why do we support this so easily yet stand in silence when the community of Durham has entirely too many people living off the government and nothing is done. If the proper people took action to eliminate this social welfare in the same way they pursued justice and civil damages in a slam dunk case, I would think that maybe this wasnt just another example of those with the means clamoring for justice when justice is on their side so easily. The toughest battles seem to be the battles no one wants.

4. How do people like Victoria Peterson exist and why are people afraid to stand up to her and those like her. We have become so afraid of being labled racists that we allow someone like her to act in a way that would get a white person fired or shunned by society. The militant black is a scary thing in this country and they use their race to justify being some of the scariest and stupidest people in the world?

4. What happens to Nifong civilly and criminally from here? Will he do real jail time? Does the buck stop with him because he had the final decision or do his enablers and encourages deserve the same punishment?

5. What happens to Broadhead? Why is he still in any position of power at Duke?

6. What happens to the city of Durham from here? Does it become a city of those who are tied to Duke and those who live in the projects and live of the government because middle class folks leave in droves because of the economic and social dynamics that derive from this case?

7. Why is justice geared so toward someones economic standing and not their skin color unless there is a consensus that blacks are and always will be unable to be the economic equals of anyone. By making this case about race, is it the latest acceptance by the black community that they are as a whole failures?

This has been a fascinating case for me to watch.

9/10/07 12:30 PM
Debrah said...
A letter in the H-S:

Lacrosse players wrong to punish whole town

I read with some dismay that the three young men falsely accused of rape, kidnapping, etc. are now intent on "raping" all the citizens of Durham because of the actions of a few. I did not vote to place Mike Nifong in office.

Nifong alone used the case as a means to elicit enough votes to remain in office. Mine was not one of those votes. While I have and still sympathize with these young men, and certainly agree that changes in our system are needed, I cannot support their attempts to take my hard-earned tax payment and line their pockets and those of their lawyers.

I am innocent of any harm to the three men, and like them would welcome an opportunity to prove that innocence in court I would gladly serve on that jury.

John Robbins
Durham
September 10, 2007

9/10/07 12:45 PM
rrhamilton said...

Penny said...
Here's a question in line with my earlier statement, why did the hospital administration allow Tara Levicy to be point person in this high profile case?


I've wondered the very same thing.

9/10/07 12:46 PM
Anonymous said...
Check out the BlueNC blog and see how the Duke-3-haters are getting ripped to shreds. Too funny.

9/10/07 12:50 PM
Anonymous said...
Why doesn't KC's book
answer any of these
questions ?

9/10/07 12:50 PM
Anonymous said...
Debrah at 11:20 a.m. writes "[Nifong] is indecent, no doubt, but I believe that he is definitely mentally ill. All joking aside, he has to be."

I'm inclined to agree with Debrah's conclusion. Are there any mental health professionals out there willing to give an armchair analysis of this guy? Is he just a narcissist or is he a sociopath truly unable to feel any sense of remorse for the wrong he has inflicted on the accused, the other players, the bar of NC, his town, his family, etc. There has to be a name for what ails him.

9/10/07 12:50 PM
Anonymous said...
Why not interview Freda Black?

Since there are no current ADA's that have been forthcoming about the former DA's indescretions, then Freda Black(former ADA - fired by the now former DA) is the obvious go-to person for "what's in the closet".

9/10/07 1:00 PM
Anonymous said...
How did the Durham PD gain access to the dorm?

Ed

9/10/07 1:02 PM
Debrah said...
Info update:

My local Barnes & Noble as of today has a good stock of UPI and it is still being displayed in several locations inside the store...with a store window display.

Good!

I know KC has a book signing at the Regulator later in the month. Perhaps his publisher should set up one for this area B&N as well.

9/10/07 1:06 PM
sceptical said...
On "Until Proven Innocent":

Amazon is now quoting[B] 3-6 weeks [/B]for delivery:

Political Correctness and the Shameful Injustices of the Duke Lacrosse Rape Case (Hardcover)
by Stuart Taylor (Author), KC Johnson (Author)

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KC and Stuart,
Your agent and your lawyer need to urgently pressure your publisher to do additional printings. Whoever advised you to start with a 13,000 printing was foolish. No new book should have a 3-6 week wait on Amazon and not be available in many bookstores. It is ironic that a book about a fiasco is a fiasco. I feel bad for you and Stuart after having put your heart and souls into this book.

sceptical

9/10/07 1:08 PM
Anonymous said...
I have a couple of lingering concerns:

1. What has been the impact on the internet based exotic dancing economy? Surely many otherwise willing and eager customers to one of Durham's vital industries have been scared off by Ms. Mangum's behavior. The complete absence of criminal convictions for pay-for-sex crimes there strongly implies political complicity. Who speaks and looks out for the interests of the young men and women who now have difficulty finding employment in their chosen field?

2. Based on what I've read (particularly in Pressler's book) about Crystal, her services typically commanded fees in the low two digit range for a variety of putatively extralegal activities. How in the world did she stumble in to a gig paying $400!! for two hours of dancing?

3. Have the guys on the team who masterminded(?) this affair learned that you NEVER pay contract workers in full before satisfactory work has been completed? Roberts' resume strongly suggests that, as soon as she got paid, she no longer had any incentive to 'work' and rapidly (and successfully) looked for and found a 'reason' to leave with the loot. I think it's unlikely that 'Precious' would or could have come up with anything that 'clever' on her own and her reported pleas to Roberts to go back to 'make more money' after they had initially left the party support that conjecture. Obviously, this was in direct opposition to Roberts' plan to take ALL the money and dump the impaired Mangum before she could sort through the complexities. Little did Roberts know that Mangum was apparently incapable of sorting through anything even under the best circumstances.

Off topic. I had a depressing chat with a golfing buddy of mine about the case. He has not followed it closely but was perfectly willing to share with me his conviction that it's inconceivable that the lacrosse players didn't do SOMETHING that fateful night. I'll send him a copy of your book (and that should take care of him), but he's not stupid and used to be a college student and finds the likelihood of shenanigans completely credible. I had erroneously assumed that only the diehard, racist faithful would continue to cling to that myth in the face news of the players' exoneration and Nifong's disbarment and criminal conviction.

Sigh...

RL Duke alum medicine '75

9/10/07 1:09 PM
Anonymous said...
KC, I most likely will never meet you personally, but I have a huge debt of gratitude to you for your investment of time and moral courage to provide the quality of scholarship and dectective work that are evident in the book ( I am in tears as I read it) and on this blog.

In my mind, there is still a missing link... I have said it over and over on this and other blogs. WHY IS CRYSTAL MAGNUM SUCH A HOT POTATOE THAT NO ONE HAS CONNECTED THE DOTS?

WHY DOES SHE REMAIN UNINDICTED?

IS THERE ANY TRACEABLE CONNECTION BETWEEN HER AND ANY MEMBER OF THE DPD?

To me, it is TOOO obvious that something stinketh here, and it is more than just the fact that this woman is mentally imbalanced.

I may be wrong. But I just know in my gut, that you will find some footprints of her services somewhere with somebody who would be bigtime embarassed.

Maybe this is not appropriate input to the blog, but I am pretty much a "nobody" so there is no where else for me to register this opinion.

I hope somebody is listening or reading.

We are most likely not on the same sides of some political issues, or even social issues, KC, but I have tremendous respect for your integrity. And I thank you once again, on behalf of many grateful people, for giving us this window of opportunity to try to take back some of our institutions.

It has been said that "You can neither heal nor change that which you do not first acknowledge." You have forced us to acknowledge. The rest falls on our shoulders.

God bless you in your next endeavors. I suppose many of us wish you would permit us to journey with you... on a new blog... on new subjects. Is that a possibility?

You have become "Professor of History" to a larger audience than you might have imagined. Might you consider an "online university"? .... lectures only please! No credits, no papers to grade, just an investment that makes a difference.

dsl

9/10/07 1:11 PM
Anonymous said...
My number 1 question is also what happened in all the time it took Kim to drive from 610 Buchanon to Kroger. That would have been a rookie cop's first question.... certainly one beggin followup.

9/10/07 1:29 PM
Anonymous said...
My questions:
1) Jesse Jackson, have you "found" CGM yet? Last interview I hear you on, you said you couldn't find her! I can't believe operation PUSH can't afford to find her!
2) Once you "find" her, will you still be paying for her tuition? LMAO
3) So, exactly what is CGM doing now?

9/10/07 1:31 PM
Anonymous said...
Who's numbers are (were) saved in CGM's cell phone????

9/10/07 1:33 PM
Debrah said...
Here's an unanswered question for Durham residents who say they are not to blame for this Hoax and who think everyone should move on:

Why do most of them still support the likes of the popeyed wonder Diane Catotti as a city council member?

Latest news shows she has even been endorsed by the mostly conservative group--Friends of Durham.

This is a woman who has rabidly supported Mike Nifong like a torrid lover even after it became known that his case had no evidence and even after it became public knowledge that he had botched it in a very shameful way.

She was a part of his fraudulent election campaign in the Fall of 2006.

Catotti has strong ties to members of Duke's Gang of 88 and is openly supportive of their rush to judgment, bigoted, and white-male-hating views of the world.

This is an example of how the citizens of Durham move forward.

9/10/07 1:36 PM
Debrah said...
TO 1:08PM--

You sure chose the right moniker.

Just replace the "C" with a "K" and you're set!

skeptical

9/10/07 1:51 PM
Debrah said...
What was the level of cooperation between the Duke PR office and the Durham Herald-Sun in creating a public bias against the Duke lacrosse players?

From the start, there was a constant barrage of "guest columns" from members of the Gang of 88. Orin Starn was allowed almost an entire editorial page.....an over 1000-word, anti-lacrosse diatribe.

This is what began my campaign of almost weekly screaming sessions with them.

They would not offer the same kind of largesse to the opposing view.

Of course they were, and are, in bed with Duke.

In Durham, besides the state and federal government, Duke University is a steady stream of easy money......more programs and access for the needy...don't you know?

Both the H-S and Duke placate the black community constantly to keep order in the town.

It's the closest any of us will come to seeing a banana republic in operation other than Washington DC, Atlanta, and perhaps Detroit.

9/10/07 2:05 PM
Gary Packwood said...
Anonymous 12:50 said...
...Are there any mental health professionals out there willing to give an armchair analysis of this guy?
::
Hopefully not.
::
GP

9/10/07 2:08 PM
Debrah said...
TO 1:09PM--

These guys were kids and had no experience in the field of hiring strippers.

Giving the money up front as the women asked was their way of complying.

It reminds me of myself close to that same age. I've never liked business and to this day have to be led kicking and screaming with respect to "negotiating" in money matters.

The first time I bought a car, I went inside the dealershp and saw the one I liked...and without even "haggling" or attempting to "negotiate", I told them which one I wanted and paid the sticker price.

We have to live and learn.

LOL!!!

The lacrosse guys were also trying to be respectful of these women and quite to the contrary of the portrayal in the media, the fact that they accepted the women into the house even though they had ordered a "different product"...speaks volumes toward their lack of racism.

They were young and gullible and were just trying to have some fun....like millions of university students their age.

9/10/07 2:18 PM
Anonymous said...
Off topic. This is not a nitpicking correction because I expect UPI to go into a second printing (and with updated material).

On p.393 of UPI Nanerl Keohane's name is misspelled, and she is listed twice in the index, once correctly and shortly later incorrectly.

KC, do you know where more information on her role in the Larry Summers firing can be found?

9/10/07 2:21 PM
Anonymous said...
Debbie,

"sceptical" is a variant of "skeptical," which makes it 100% acceptable English usage.

9/10/07 2:23 PM
Anonymous said...
Well, I finished the book last evening and thought that it was really well done. There was much that I learned that was not in the newspapers, so I am grateful to the authors for their effort.

However, I was left totally drained and depressed because there was no closure other than Nifong's disgrace. I hope the families just crush the city in their lawsuits, which the city will probably pay for via a special assessment they place on the university.

So the questions I would pose are: Have the group of 88 Duke professors no shame? Has Duke's administration no shame? Has the Durham police department no shame? Has Nancy Grace no shame? Has the New York Times no shame? Has the NAACP no shame? Has the Durham Herald newspaper no shame?

These people and groups are supposed to be protectors and defenders of rights. They deserve to be scorned for their actions and inactions.

Thank you for this blog.

9/10/07 2:26 PM
scott said...
Uh, oh 12:05 PM --

You have just exposed yourself as being insufficiently politically correct.

The PC Police have already been alerted. You can expect to receive your notice as to when and where to report for orientation / indoctrination any minute now.

9/10/07 2:36 PM
Ralph Phelan said...
"No new book should have a 3-6 week wait on Amazon and not be available in many bookstores. It is ironic that a book about a fiasco is a fiasco. I feel bad for you and Stuart after having put your heart and souls into this book.

sceptical "

Having one's publisher unable to keep up with demand is the sort of "problem" most authors can only dream of.

9/10/07 2:37 PM
Ralph Phelan said...
Another "follow the money" question:

Where were the "wanted" posters printed?
Who paid for them?

9/10/07 2:41 PM
Anonymous said...
Does Cystal pay income taxes on her high earnings?

9/10/07 2:42 PM
Anonymous said...
I'd like to know which names of Durham officials and members of the DPD were in Crystal's little black book.

9/10/07 2:43 PM
Anonymous said...
the shoe, the shoe.

Did Kim or Crystal know the security guard at the Kroger's before the night in question?

9/10/07 2:46 PM
Penny said...
Are there any mental health professionals out there willing to give an armchair analysis of this guy?

I'll take a shot at it as a psych nurse. Nifong appears to me as a narcissist and anti-social personality disorder. Google the DSM IV and look under Personality Disorders. His only regret is that he got caught. HE was misunderstood. Typical anti-social.

I wouldn't invest a lot in Magnum's diagnosis as a Bipolar, it's become a very throw-away diagnosis now days unless determined by a good clinician over time. A Borderline Personality disorder often mimics it. Good clinicians are reluctant to make a definitive diagnosis when clients are substance users. I doubt there has been a long enough interval in Magnum's life that she wasn't using.

It's inexplicable to me that when she presented at the ER with her erratic and flippant statements they weren't filtered through her avoidance of a psych admission, present employment and drug use history.

I read KC's book cringing at how bad nursing started this nightmare into play. I can't say enough about the revulsion I feel toward Tara Levicy. I've worked in a university hospital system, Duke's comes up short.

9/10/07 2:48 PM
Anonymous said...
My unanswered questions are:

1. Why hasn't Crystal Mangum been charged for filing a false report?

and,

2. What the hell was Nifong on at the time of his "do not pass go, do not collect $200, go to jail" photo?

The lost look on his face suggests either someone who just plowed a big field of recreational chemistry or just plain thinks the whole thing is a joke, or maybe both.

9/10/07 2:49 PM
Anonymous said...
12:50 -- did you also note that the haters can only reply in 4 letter Anglo-Saxon expletives?

9/10/07 2:53 PM
Anonymous said...
Check out Steve Marcus' review in Newsday.

9/10/07 2:53 PM
Anonymous said...
Why hasn't anybody in the media interviewed Crystal Mangum in the last few weeks? Is she in hiding? Given her willingness to tell her stories before, it would seem that she would be willing to tell additional ones now.

9/10/07 3:16 PM
Debrah said...
TO 2:26PM--

I agree with you.

The book, like this blog Wonderland, is stellar.

But I, also, am left with an aching feeling of a need for punctuation to this Hoax.

It's like a chord progression in music where the listener is taken to a grand crescendo....then left hanging at a high pitch without a resolution chord.

But it also reflects the reality of the situation.

None of the destructive players in the case have paid the way they should....no real resolution as there should be.

Which means only one thing: KC has to write another book!

LIS!

9/10/07 3:20 PM
Anonymous said...
What were the carrots and sticks that were under discussion for approving the zoning for Central Campus, before the LAX affair gave Duke enough leverage to shame Durhan into approving this?

How much of a $30M settlement would Duke pay (via taxes -- IOW, what fraction of the Durham tax base is represented by Duke)? What if the taxes paid by Duke employees were included in this?

9/10/07 3:27 PM
Debrah said...
Wahneema Lubiano opines:

"I'm a post-structuralist teacher-critic leftist. What I've written here is what I do whether I'm thinking, teaching, or engaging in politics (including strategizing). I think that it is part of my privilege, my work, and my pleasure to insist that those three activities are not clearly demarcated. Learning to live with the difficulty of not being absolutely sure and the comfort of not having to be is my reward for being critical about totalizing narratives--especially when we call them the truth."

Well......this certainly explains why this destructive moron is completely comfortable while exercising the liberty to do and say anything she wants.

What a worthless human being.

9/10/07 3:31 PM
Anonymous said...
Question:

Why was a high-earning hooker described as "poor"?

9/10/07 3:34 PM
Ralph Phelan said...
Anonymous 9/10/07 2:26 PM, too answer your questions:

None whatsoever.

9/10/07 3:43 PM
Ralph Phelan said...
"Anonymous said...
I'd like to know which names of Durham officials and members of the DPD were in Crystal's little black book.

9/10/07 2:43 PM"

I'd like to know which Durham officials and members of the DPD left their DNA in her....

9/10/07 3:44 PM
no justice, no peace said...
Inre: "Does Cystal pay income taxes on her high earnings?"

Beautiful!

If the State AG won't file charges against CGM for being a lying whore, then maybe the IRS will go after her for income tax evasion.

The Al Capone approach...

9/10/07 4:01 PM
no justice, no peace said...
By the way, in response to the question,"Is ________a communist?"

I've come to the conclusion that few if any could possibly be communists, including many in the Klan of 88.

It occured to me that communists, though extraordinarly evil, are not that stupid.

Useful idiots, that's for sure, but communists, I think probably not.

On the other hand maybe the PC crowd has successfully dumbed-down communist/marxist theory.

Oh yeah...in the form of a question...

Have the Klan of 88 dumbed-down communism/marxism theory so far that rational minds discount that they are representing communist/marxist ideology in such a way as to render true intelletuals speechless regarding their intentions?

9/10/07 4:10 PM
Anonymous said...
Surprisingly, Steven Marcus' review in Newsday (Sept 10) of Until Proven Innocent is one of praise.

9/10/07 4:17 PM
Anonymous said...
Has anyone thought to check the DNA from "The Louvre" against the national DNA database? Is it possible that one of Crystal's appointments earlier in the day on March 13th was with someone who wears a blue uniform (without a Blue Devil on it)?

9/10/07 4:30 PM
Anonymous said...
Exactly WHO tipped off the news media about the lacrosse team showing up to have their DNA taken?

You're right about following the money on:
1) Crystal's housing and support for those many months.
2) SOMEONE or SOME ENTITY had to pay for the "Listening Ad"- where did the money come from?

TexasMom

9/10/07 4:36 PM
sceptical said...
http://www.newsday.com/sports/college/ny-s...,2652508.column

Duke of all has his say

Steven Marcus
September 10, 2007

Nearly everyone connected with the Duke lacrosse case has heard of K.C. Johnson, the Brooklyn College professor who became the undeniable authority on all aspects of the headline grabbing scandal that Johnson fastidiously chronicled in his blog Durhaminwoderland.

Johnson's words stirred a frenzied crowd and brought along, perhaps (at least privately) to Johnson's chagrin, a cartload of ultra conservative thinkers bent on vilification of the stripper, the media, the university and the justice system. One blog entry from Johnson was worth at least a thousand words of approval from his attentive fans on the Internet.

Johnson, again unintentionally, may have appeared to be pandering to the Internet crowd but in reality was setting the stage for what must be considered the official record of Duke in the just released ``Until Proven Innocent,'' which not only lays out a solidly written literary and legal history of the case, but exposes the justice system of one small town and leaves one to conclude that not only can it happen again, but is occurring all the time, albeit under the media radar.

snip

9/10/07 4:40 PM
Anonymous said...
I've always wondered who was it that made the cotton shirt remark and was he planning on coming forward at a trial to exonerate the other guys. I've also wondered who were the second two guys picked up by the cab driver who supported Reade's alibi. The cab driver said that the two discussed if the police would be called and one said something to the effect of, 'forget it, she's just a stripper'.

9/10/07 4:57 PM
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...

12:50 -- did you also note that the haters can only reply in 4 letter Anglo-Saxon expletives?

9/10/07 2:53 PM

Yes, but f*#@ those f*#@ing f*#@ers ...

9/10/07 5:02 PM
Anonymous said...
KC:

Only one question:

Why have there been no pictures ever shown of the bathroom where the alleged offenses took place?

Ken
Dallas

9/10/07 5:13 PM
Gary Packwood said...
Penny 2:48 said...

...Are there any mental health professionals out there willing to give an armchair analysis of this guy?

...I'll take a shot at it as a psych nurse....
...I read KC's book cringing at how bad nursing started this nightmare into play. I can't say enough about the revulsion I feel toward Tara Levicy. I've worked in a university hospital system, Duke's comes up short.
::
You took a 'shot' at analysis of Nifong as a psych nurse and Tara took a 'shot' at analysis of Precious as a SANE nurse...and you feel revulsion towards Tara Levicy...the SANE Nurse?

Does this seem odd to you?

At least the SANE Nurse laid her eyes on the patient!

Why do I get the feeling that RN's have been attending bi-weekly assertiveness training workshops since Y2K and you have all overdosed on the training.

Sheesh!
::
GP

9/10/07 5:14 PM
Anonymous said...
4:57 PM - I don't think you are seriously wondering anything, just trying to continue to slime the kids.

Nice try though.

9/10/07 5:32 PM
Dukex4 said...
A question:

Who made the first complaint about Nifing to the NC Bar? Recall he wanted (or demanded) to know the person's identity as well.

Dukex4

9/10/07 5:47 PM
Anonymous said...
Concur with 5:32. Good news is no one is listening to them.\
KC> continued thanks and hopes for successful future. If Steve Markus can come up with a positive review after all the damage he did in his own writing, I think that speaks volumes of your pursuit for truth and justice in this case.I hope it does help others to do the same for other wronged individuals. Thanks again.

9/10/07 6:06 PM
no justice, no peace said...
Inre: "...I've always wondered who was it that made the cotton shirt remark and was he planning on coming forward at a trial to exonerate the other guys..."

This has been a point of confusion for me as well.

Did the comment suggest that the shirt was made in China or India?

Was he referring to a nice Madras or a possibly a standard, crew, or v-cut, t-shirt?

Would the abettors give him a pass were he referring to a Che Guevera's t-shirt - the one with the murderer wearing the sassy tam?

And what in the world was Kim Roberts point?

Maybe some of the relativists within the Klan of 88 can help clarify?

Robert's comment reminds me of the Richard Pryor bit about the two black guys having the contest to see which has the largest unit.

They go out on the Golden Gate bridge and the first pulls his unit out to urinate and exclaims, "Brother, this water is cold!"

And the other, responds, "Yeah, and it's deep too."

So in that context the lacrosse player's unit was almost 220 feet (clearance above mean higher high water)long. Does that qualify as little?

Maybe the Attorney General could investigate the language use that night instead of what appears to be a criminal conspiracy to violate many innocent citizens?

9/10/07 6:08 PM
inman said...
njnp @ 6:08

There were actually three guys at the bridge. The third guy resonded to the first two:

"Yeah,...and its got a sandy bottom."

9/10/07 6:41 PM
Anonymous said...
How many names and email addresses are in Wahneema Lubiano's email filter?

Is this her idea of dialogue?

9/10/07 6:52 PM
Anonymous said...
question: Is "Friends of Duke" an apt title for this blog site?

Personally, I don't want to be friends with a moronic administration that is so afraid of blacks that it relaxes all academic standards for them.

Perhaps Duke needs to die, just like that other PC-drenched school that closed this year.

9/10/07 7:30 PM
ABC said...
I'll take a shot at being an armchair psych nurse....

Nifong reminds me of a patient I received in chains one night on the locked ward. The state police brought him via helicopter from the scene of an attempted murder and house blaze. The guy tried to commit suicide by cop but his friends on the state police force wouldn't kill him. The patient, like Nifong, was bull headed, imperious, and even after what he had done his buddies in the state police would not abandon him. He broke so many laws and hurt so many people but after laying low for awhile he was back where he started - with a badge and a gun. Nifong must have a manipulative and charismatic personality, no conscience, no understanding nor care for other people's feelings, He lies, cheats, and yet has a growing fan club.

Diagnosis: Both men have antisocial personality disorder and are sociopaths. Most people with conduct disorders end up in the justice system. The two examples here are on the wrong side for now.

9/10/07 7:51 PM
rrhamilton said...
Steven Marcus is doing the newest 88ist head-fake: Pretending to praise KC but really trying to promote the latest lying metanarrative (after the collapse of their first one).

"Johnson, again unintentionally, may have appeared to be pandering to the Internet crowd but in reality was setting the stage for [first, the pseudo-praise] what must be considered the official record of Duke in the just released ``Until Proven Innocent,'' which not only lays out a solidly written literary and legal history of the case, but exposes the justice system of one small town and leaves one to conclude [... wait for it! ...] that not only can it happen again, but is occurring all the time [yes, "all the time"!], albeit under the media radar [the NEW blue wall of silence, this time by the media!]."

At this rate expect them soon to say with a straight face, "And remember, Nifong was a Republican."

9/10/07 7:53 PM
Penny said...
Hey, Gary, I'm not pretending to diagnosis Nifong in a clinical setting, get real.

Someone asked for a stab at what's wrong with the guy. I gave it.

Psych disorders don't require x-rays or lab values for validation. Psych is behavioral, the observation of a pattern of behavior. Nifong has supplied a pattern both verbally and in his actions for the past year. I doubt you'd find many people to defend that he isn't an anti-social.

Your last sentence is ridiculous. Whatever your problem with nurses in general doesn't belong here.

9/10/07 8:14 PM
Anonymous said...
Gary Packwood said...
Brant Jones 7:39 said...

...After several failed attempts at identification, how did CGM just happen to pick three of the richest players on the team? Was she coached on selecting these in order to facilitate a healthy settlement from the players who would fear a he said/ she said trial?
::
Brant asks a key question I believe if we are ever to understand the extent that Duke faculty and students were directly and indirectly involved in moving the hoax forward.
::
GP

9/10/07 9:25 AM

=====================================================================
This a great point. Someone (?a lawyer) was able to find out about these 3 guys. You are right its unlikely these 3 were chosen by accident.

9/11/07 12:29 AM
Debrah said...
To RRH--

KC liked the Marcus column.

To highlight it in such a way means he agrees with what was said.

Ha!

Who would have imagined? Old disgruntled Horwitz was right.

9/11/07 12:32 AM
Anonymous said...
Penny said...
Hey, Gary, I'm not pretending to diagnosis Nifong in a clinical setting, get real.

Someone asked for a stab at what's wrong with the guy. I gave it.

Psych disorders don't require x-rays or lab values for validation. Psych is behavioral, the observation of a pattern of behavior. Nifong has supplied a pattern both verbally and in his actions for the past year. I doubt you'd find many people to defend that he isn't an anti-social.

Your last sentence is ridiculous. Whatever your problem with nurses in general doesn't belong here.

9/10/07 8:14 PM

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Who knows? But the psych field tends to overlabel everybody.

What about "unethical jackass"? No matter what personality d/o he has: he wasnt bright enough to get into Duke, is a liar, and is unethical.

9/11/07 12:33 AM
Anonymous said...
debrah,

what are you saying Horwitz was right about?

RRH

9/11/07 12:36 AM
Debrah said...
TO RRH--

That KC was not exactly as I had envisioned.

The rushing toward a column and the things said by Marcus?

Not what I expected.

9/11/07 12:46 AM
Anonymous said...
ah ok.

KC is a product of his environment. Smarter than most of them, but not able to escape the facts that he was (1) born in Massachusetts, (2)to public school teacher parents, and now (3)is a university professor (4) in Brooklyn. Do any of those four give a turn of mind that would lead KC to challenge the underlying assumptions (sometimes called "the metanarrative") that gave rise to the Lacrosse Hoax?

RRH

9/11/07 12:51 AM
Anonymous said...
The metanarrative did not give rise to the hoax.

What gave rise to the hoax is whites' fears of black people, and blacks parlaying that realization into more AAAS and no prison for the whore.

Really, does anyone in the real world believe that whites gang-rape homely black women. The converse, of course, is a commonplace in America and Europe.

9/11/07 12:59 AM
Debrah said...
TO RRH--

I don't categorize people like that.

You don't think everyone in the northeast is a liberal do you?

They certainly are not.

And contrary to the grotesque stereotyping of the hapless clown Mr. Marcus, not everyone supporting the lacrosse players on this blog is a conservative.

How can I be a conservative? That man is crazy.

9/11/07 1:02 AM
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Monday, September 10, 2007
Unanswered Questions


As the blog winds down, I thought it might be interesting to turn to questions that remain unanswered in the case. It’s possible that information on some of these matters will come to light, especially if a criminal investigation occurs. I suspect, however, that the questions about Duke will never be answered.

Durham D.A’s Office

1.) It came out during the Mike Nifong ethics hearing that the ex-DA was planning to prosecute the case alongside ADA Tracey Cline (who still works for the office). How many conversations did Cline and Nifong have about the lacrosse case—and how much support did Cline provide for Nifong’s efforts?

2.) Why did Nifong—who had to have known that he needed a biased judge to get the case to trial—consent to the appointment of Judge Smith, who (unlike, say, Judge Ron Stephens) he couldn’t be sure would always rule in his favor?

3.) Did—as some defense attorneys believed—Stephens and Nifong have ex parte conversations about the case before the first two indictments?

4.) What sort of conversations occurred between Nifong and Linwood Wilson in the days before the Dec. 21 “interview,” in which Wilson and Mangum produced a wholly new version of events, one that minimized the importance of DNA?

Durham Police Department

1.) Just how did Sgt. Mark Gottlieb manage to wrest control of the case on March 14-March 15—and why did his superiors, who had been alerted of his abusive behavior toward Duke students, not assign someone else to head up the investigation?

2.) What, precisely, did Gottlieb tell the grand jury on April 17, 2006?


3.) Who ordered or authorized Cpl. David Addison to go on his March 24-March 26 slander spree, when he asserted, among other things, “You are looking at one victim brutally raped. If that was someone else’s daughter, child, I don’t think 46 (tests) would be a large enough number to figure out exactly who did it”; “Addison said police approached the lacrosse team with the five-page search warrant on March 16, but that all of the members refused to cooperate with the investigation”; There is “really, really strong physical evidence”; and “We’re not saying that all 46 were involved. But we do know that some of the players inside that house on that evening knew what transpired and we need them to come forward.”

4.) How involved was Deputy Chief Ron Hodge in the pre-indictment investigation; and what was the basis for his April 11, 2006 remark to MSNBC that “I don’t think we would be here if it wasn't (a strong case)”?

5.) Why, exactly, did Police Chief Steve Chalmers decide to totally absent himself from departmental affairs (with the odd rationalization that he had to look after his mother, who lived in Durham, hardly someplace inaccessible) during the highest-profile investigation in his department’s history; and why did City Manager Patrick Baker allow Chalmers to do so?

Duke

1.) Did President Brodhead clear with the University Counsel’s office his summer 2006 response to Friends of Duke, in which he asserted that a trial would present an opportunity “for our students to be proved innocent”?

2.) President Brodhead met with a delegation of African-American Studies faculty on April 3, 2006. If he could do things over again, would he have urged them to be sure that the Group of 88’s statement at least paid lip service to principles of due process?

3.) Why, even though he had been informed of in-class harassment of lacrosse players at an April 6, 2006 meeting with coaches, did neither President Brodhead nor anyone in his administration interview any of the lacrosse players to determine the truth of the issue?

4.) It has been widely rumored that multiple drafts of the Group of 88's ad exist, and that the Chronicle required some items to be toned down before printing the document. What was the language of the ad, as originally drafted by Wahneema Lubiano? And what evidence did Lubiano present to the Chronicle to substantiate the assertion that the ad received formal endorsement from five Duke academic departments?

5.) What, precisely, was the relationship between the Duke and Durham police forces between March 24, 2006 and early April 2006? We know now that at least two (previously unannounced) meetings between representatives of the two forces occurred.

6.) Why did her superiors at the Duke University Medical Center not doublecheck SANE nurse-in-training Tara Levicy’s work once it became clear that she was an incompetent ideologue? And what transpired at the June 2006 meeting between Nifong, Levicy, and Levicy’s supervisor, Teresa Arico—for which no notes were ever produced?

Crystal Mangum

What, precisely, was Mangum’s relationship with NCCU? How many courses had she really taken? Was she ever really a full-time student?

[And, picking up on the suggestion in the comment thread, I invite people to submit their own unanswered questions; will post the better ones later this week.]



Posted by KC Johnson at 12:01 AM

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158 comments:
Anonymous said...
I don't know if you have seen this but here is an interesting summary of the situation revealed in the Duke Hoax. An excellent read.
http://globalpolitician.com/articledes.asp?ID=3364&cid=1&sid=104

9/10/07 12:07 AM
Anonymous said...
Phenix City, Alabama. Durham, North Carolina. Decades apart, is the corruption just as deep. When will the federal prosecutors do their job and launch a criminal investigation of the city of Durham and the Durham police department?

9/10/07 12:12 AM
Anonymous said...
KC, if we're going to have an "Unanswered Questions" period, how about one for all us commenters -- We have far more than you do. :)

9/10/07 12:14 AM
Anonymous said...
How about what did Himan tell his grand jury?

9/10/07 12:16 AM
Jim in San Diego said...
Other unanswered questions:

1. Durham local government, local media, and other community leaders (NAACP, school leaders): why did no one make any attempt to inform the electorate that due process required that defendants be presumed innocent until proven guilty, and not the other way around? Or, that the purpose of a trial is not to give an accuser a chance to tell her story, or have the defendants prove their innocence?

2. Durham Judges: What were judges Ron Stevens and Marsha Morey doing cheerleading for Mike Niphong at and after his criminal contempt conviction? And, is it commonly understood by Durham judges that it is important for attorneys to be candid in court at trial, but not before?

9/10/07 12:33 AM
Anonymous said...
Crystal's children - where are her kids. If she had mental problems substantial enough so she could not be indicted, is the state of NC allowing her to keep her kids???

9/10/07 12:38 AM
Anonymous said...
JLS says....,

I have an answer to some and a bunch more of such questions.

The answer first. What was said to the grand juries was that Mangum said she was raped and she IDed Finnerty and Seligmann and she was pretty sure of Evans and he was connected to her by DNA. That is plenty for an indictment. Nifong did not have to have any official lie for an indictment.

Now one to other questions:

1. Why did the Durham access intake nurse suggest to Mangum she was raped? Did this nurse know Mangum was a nut job and want to pass her on to someone else? Or is the a common part of the intake process?

2. What is Mangum's relationship if any to previous NC NAACP leaders of the same last name? Is she related to past or current movers and shakers in the NC NAACP and did that cause the NC NAACP to become so anti-defendants rights in this case?

3. Why was Mangum given such a sweetheart plea bargain when when she previoulsy ran afould with the law and was originally charged with things like assaut and attempted murder of a police officer? Is this related to question 2?

4. Why was Judge Stephens so interested the security of Mangum's phone? Was this a general worry that Durham officials might have their numbers on that phone or was he trying to protect someone in particular?

5. What was on the DPD police radio tape the night and early morning of the incident that required that it be erased despite or maybe with the assistance of Stephens nod and wink order that it be preserved that did nothing to preserve it.

6. What did Duke do internally to penalize or at least warn its faculty to stop grade retaliation?

7. How much has Duke paid in settlements so far?

I doubt many people even read this far in my post. I could go on and on with questions that are so far unanswered about this mess.

9/10/07 12:39 AM
Anonymous said...
How many times did Nofing meet with CGM off the record, when, and what was discussed?

Did the DPD and/or someone in the DAs office coerce or coach CGM to make an ID in the taped session?

In Durham, who is responsible for investigating alledged crimes and who is responsible for procescuting cases? Who is resonsible for justice and who is subject to checks and limits commonly understood to flow from constitutional protections?

Who autorized the destruction of tapes? What else has been destroyed?

9/10/07 12:43 AM
Jim in San Diego said...
Some additional questions:

3. Why was Kim's bail reduced when she changed her story from "its a crock" to "something might have happened?

4. Why was the cab driver witness prosecuted over old, dubious allegations, when he would not change his story supporting the player's alibi?

9/10/07 12:51 AM
Anonymous said...
12:43 -- PD's tape reuse policy recycles tapes every 60 days unless the tape is pulled for longer retention. PD claimed, through Nifong, that by the time the official court order was issued on 5/18 -- they tape(s) had already been recycled/written over.

The defense motion asking for the retention of the tapes was filed in late April or early May -- either Nifong/Stephens didn't read and pass the request along to PD in time or ....

9/10/07 12:54 AM
Anonymous said...
12:43 -- PD's tape reuse policy recycles tapes every 60 days unless the tape is pulled for longer retention. PD claimed, through Nifong, that by the time the official court order was issued on 5/18 -- they tape(s) had already been recycled/written over.

The defense motion asking for the retention of the tapes was filed in late April or early May -- either Nifong/Stephens didn't read and pass the request along to PD in time or ....

9/10/07 12:54 AM
Anonymous said...
TEST

9/10/07 1:15 AM
Anonymous said...
QUESTION: Who was responsible for the "sting" e-mail? This was the e-mail that appeared to originate from the account of one of the players, and "informed" his teammates that he was sick of "covering up" and would be going to the police to tell them who was responsible for the "crime".

Of course, since there was no "crime" committed by the players, there was no one who panicked and said "We'd better get him before he gets us!" I'm sure whoever the Einstein was that sent the "sting" e-mail thought he/she was being all clever like the TV detectives and when someone rushed to the police to tell them "John Smith is lying! *He's* the one that did it, not me!" the police would say "A-ha! John Smith didn't say anything to us! But *you* just identified yourself as who John Smith *would* name!" Probably the thought never crossed this Barney Fife's mind that if the players really *had* committed a violent gang rape that they'd be capable of other violent crimes as well, and that if John Smith ended up beaten or killed, the clever Dick (no pun intended) who sent the false message would be responsible.

So... it might not be possible to determine for certain the individual who was at the keyboard composing the false message. But if the message could be verified to have been sent *from that account*, rather than just forged to look like it come from that account, the possible senders diminish in number...

9/10/07 1:19 AM
Anonymous said...
As a student of various intelligence scandals and coverups I am surprised by the number of people who are stunned by Mike Nifong's behavior -- he's not exactly the only rotten apple in the U.S.A.'s criminal justice system!! From a macro perspective, one has to remember there are presently two million Americans in prison at any given moment and another two million, who, if this were Switzerland, would be picked up and put back in jail. If, for a moment, you think this entire apparatus runs in an efficient, orderly, uniform, predictable way -- you are dreaming. The prison system alone is a total nightmare, a cesspool of HIV, Hep-C, gangs and rape.
Also, the average American's notion of his "right to a fair trial" has to be one of the most laughable concepts around:"fair" as long as the defendant has as many or more legal poker chips than the state, since the state is allowed to spend a relatively infinite amount of resources to convict Y-O-U.

9/10/07 1:30 AM
Anonymous said...
12:07 --

The Global Politician article is actually a rather poor read. Before even the first sub-heading it's littered with some very blatant errors:
* claims that Pittman and Mangum actually shopped together at the Kroger's supermarket after leaving the party (Mangum was feigning unconsciousness in Pittman's car, not toodling up and down aisles)
* claims that Pittman and Mangum "decided to organize a scam against 'the white boys'" during their grocery shopping (which makes no sense, since if true Pittman would have been trying to support Mangum's account, not call it a "crock")
* "Mangum claimed 20 men raped her. Then she claimed it was two. Then three. Then five. Then she left Kroger." (Mangum did not make any claims of being raped to anyone at Kroger. She did not claim she had been raped at all until a nurse at Durham Access suggested it to her, and Durham Access is where she was taken from Kroger.)
* "Several days later, Mangum emailed a public relations firm to see how she can spin the claims to her further advantage." (If the rest of the article wasn't so error-ridden, I might give it the benefit of the doubt. However, given the writer's clear propensity to jumble facts, I have no doubt that he is mixing up Mangum with Pittman here, since Pittman notoriously e-mailed the New York public relations firm that handles "Li'l Kim", asking them "how to spin this to my advantage.")

In summary, this article may be more favorably disposed towards the players than the infamous Duff Wilson hackjob, but that doesn't stop it from actually being a worse article.

9/10/07 1:37 AM
Anonymous said...
PD's tape reuse policy recycles tapes every 60 days unless the tape is pulled for longer retention.

Even if the tape was reused, can't taped-over recordings still be recovered?

Also, I'd like to know how many tapes have to be recycled to save enough money to pay the settlement for the civil lawsuits being brought against DPD.

9/10/07 1:47 AM
Anonymous said...
What prior relationship do these 2 women have with the DPD? I always had the feeling, for 2 lawbreakers, they were fairly comfortable with the DPD.

Why was that Nartey guy not appropriately punished? (setting aside the race issue--he threatened a child!) Where was the local child rights types? Why no outrage or anger?

Why was Coach K (the most famous and respected guy at Duke)not utilized in some useful fashion?

Regarding the Gang of 88: how many are stupid and how many are just evil?

Why is Dr Meehan still in business? How can anything from his lab be trusted?

Does Brodhead know his career is finished? That when he dies even the NYT will be pretty rough on him in the obits?

Who else in the DAs office helped with this case? Why are they so quiet?

Why didnt a young AA lawyer with political aspirations take the right side in this case>? In the long run, he would have a great shot at all sorts of political offices (kind of like Adenaur in Germany after WW20--> one of the few untainted by the prior evil leadership.

Finally, why does Durham and Duke seem to have more low character/useless people per capita than any place in America (im not including liestoppers, this blog, the car driver,etc.

ALLIE

9/10/07 2:23 AM
Anonymous said...
The Duke Law School web page lists over 150 faculty... other than Prof. Coleman, where were these legal scholars when President Broadhead was looking forward to his students having the opportunity to prove their innocence?



-RD

9/10/07 2:24 AM
rrhamilton said...

Anonymous said...
As a student of various intelligence scandals and coverups I am surprised by the number of people who are stunned by Mike Nifong's behavior -- he's not exactly the only rotten apple in the U.S.A.'s criminal justice system!! From a macro perspective, one has to remember there are presently two million Americans in prison at any given moment and another two million, who, if this were Switzerland, would be picked up and put back in jail. If, for a moment, you think this entire apparatus runs in an efficient, orderly, uniform, predictable way -- you are dreaming. The prison system alone is a total nightmare, a cesspool of HIV, Hep-C, gangs and rape.
Also, the average American's notion of his "right to a fair trial" has to be one of the most laughable concepts around:"fair" as long as the defendant has as many or more legal poker chips than the state, since the state is allowed to spend a relatively infinite amount of resources to convict Y-O-U.

9/10/07 1:30 AM

Again we have someone pimping the 88ers' new case metanarrative: The American justice system is corrupt; only the rich can get off.

People, you did not fall for the 88ers old metanarrative (the one positing a history of white men as feral beasts drooling at the sight of black women). Do not fall for this new bullshit. The problem isn't with the American justice system, it's with the old metanarrative.

9/10/07 2:35 AM
Anonymous said...
JLS says....,

I have an answer to some and a bunch more of such questions.

The answer first. What was said to the grand juries was that Mangum said she was raped and she IDed Finnerty and Seligmann and she was pretty sure of Evans and he was connected to her by DNA. That is plenty for an indictment. Nifong did not have to have any official lie for an indictment.

Now one to other questions:

1. Why did the Durham access intake nurse suggest to Mangum she was raped? ...

7. How much has Duke paid in settlements so far?

I doubt many people even read this far in my post. I could go on and on with questions that are so far unanswered about this mess.

9/10/07 12:39 AM


JLS, I read that far, but I can only give an answer to the first question. I too would like to hear the answer to the 7th.

As to the first, my impression is that the SANE nurse was trying to conduct a by-the-book examination. Because of CGM's inability to give a narrative response to a question such as, "What happened tonight?", the nurse finally fell back on "yes/no" questions and so asked, "Were you raped?"

CGM heard the magic, get out of jail free words, and said "Yes". The rest is history.

RRH

9/10/07 2:43 AM
Cedarford said...
A few extras for you KC, but 1st, let me say you did a magnificent job, not just in helping the accused and their lawyers with near-daily analysis and uncovery of info, not just in putting the spotlight on people now facing litigation, but in highlighting a faculty problem now about as well-known and understood as the Larry Summers or Ward Churchill cases.
Grade retaliation, hated students so much they filed for a change of venue based on prejudiced profs? Geeez, how did these people get tenure? How did the ringleader not only get tenure but be a Department head and chairing tenure committees when she never published! And each one of the 88 is something else, and not in a good way...

9/10/07 3:21 AM
haskell said...
During their time in Purgatory, the lacrosse team kept a list of those antagonistic towards them. So ... who is on the Grail list and in what order?

9/10/07 3:35 AM
Anonymous said...
What were the dimensions of the bathroom at the house the party was held in?
What happened to the money found at the house?

9/10/07 3:48 AM
Anonymous said...
What did the so-called leadership in the black community know about Mangum? Chalmers "recused" himself, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton either left town or avoided further comment. People in positions of responsibility knew about Mangum's past and personality. What did they know? This whole affair has aspects of a Zen koan somewhat like the sound of one hand clapping . . . all the evil has been applied to the young men of the lacrosse team . . . and in reality the evil is in the missing hand . . . there is the evil in the Group of 88, Nifong, and their assemblege of enablers in this hoax. The lacrosse team is very special in the light of the monsters they have had to face down.

9/10/07 4:17 AM
Cedarford said...
Now my little list:

1. Have attorneys ID'd people photographed with the "castrate" poster? I'd like their names published. Not for really for lawsuits, but for public shame, as this case wraps up.

2. The Authors of the Vigilante Poster. Duke students and employees, or outsiders? Sam Hummel? Sebring? Were Duke parties involved part of the Duke Settlement?

3. Little has been said about litigation of other players. Especially Ryan MacFayden, who might have been the most demonized of the players - for the public release of his private email by DPD. After Duke PD got all private student emails & handed it over to DPD w/o warrant or NTO authorization or a zealous Duke employee did. And he refused to make a false witness statement under that blackmail threat. Who in DPD was in on the blackmail threat and was the judge a patsy?
Know anything about litigation by players other than the 3, against Duke and City of Durham, KC?

4. Wendy Murphy. Because she claimed to be talking in an official capacity as a law professor representing New England School of Law in her various media rants, and because she regularly wrote defamatory statements on the Federal goverment supported website (via CDC) National Sexual Violence Policy Centers - Murphy's current defense that she is just a pundit paid to say provocative things on TV simply for entertainment value, and not just the Duke case, seems very weak.

She did her campaign of defamation at a NGO using Federal funds, she represented herself as a law professor giving expert opinion in the Duke case, and demonstrably lied on several occasions.

It is daunting for the slandered and libeled to sue a newspaper or media conglomerate with tons of money and huge legal resources and threat of 1st Amendment fights taking 10 years to go through courts.... Tough to make the Herald Sun, NY Times, Nancy Grace Show producers under Time-Warners lawyers pay - though they deserve to.
But Murphy is low-hanging fruit. She is an independent contractor to the media, not an employee, doing multiple shows for an appearance fee. No deep pockets lawyers protect her.
It would be nice to see at least one media talking head slimeball pay as a warning shot to all the media that they are not immune when they meddle in justice and due process.
Thoughts?

5. Is there any talk of a review of the Hardin-Nifong-DPD-Judge Stevens cabal being investigated for possible past acts of railroading and civil rights violations?
Seems the Feds have grounds to come in..

9/10/07 4:20 AM
Roboguy said...
Question - Duke made the effort to crack down on campus drinking and immature behavior and then provided off campus rental houses to students which resulted in defacto "Frat Houses" which were unregulated and unsupervised. How does the DPD feel about Duke outsourcing their issues with student drinking to the Durham community? Will Duke take back it's responsibility in this area?

9/10/07 5:14 AM
Anonymous said...
Is it possible for Brodhead to get a spine transplant?

9/10/07 6:32 AM
Anonymous said...
Has anyone contacted Lin Wood to pursue litigation regarding media statements? (I, too, am particularly thinking of Wendy Murphy and Nancy Grace.)

Where DID the "sting" email come from.

Who was responsible for the Vigilante poster?

9/10/07 6:33 AM
Anonymous said...
I read somewhere that Nifong had a relationship with Crystal's family. What was his relationship with her? She is being protected far too much in this case...why?

9/10/07 6:34 AM
Anonymous said...
If universities like Duke feel they have issues/problems with underage and binge drinking, loud parties, poor driving, etc. -- what are they doing about it other than outsourcing as 5:14 describes?

9/10/07 6:37 AM
Anonymous said...
Is Levicy a Communist?

9/10/07 6:44 AM
bill anderson said...
Did the DPD, Michael Nifong's DA's office, or DUMC use ANY federal funds via the Violence Against Women Act in conjunction with any aspect of this case? If so, the feds do not have to look any farther for a hook on which to hang a criminal investigation.

9/10/07 6:59 AM
Anonymous said...
For Duke or Durham PD....How was the McFadyen e-mail obtained without a subpoena? We KNOW it did not come from the captains computers? It set off a firestorm even though there is nothing racial about it(crude yes) and Liefong already knew CM did not recognize him OR that there was any of his DNA anywhere! Gottleib does not say.

9/10/07 7:10 AM
mac said...
This one's been asked - (by me and lots of others) - but it deserves an answer: whose the DNA was on CGM's person? Whose "privacy" was Nifong protecting?

Second question: is CGM a narc?

Third question: will Crimestoppers - (and their posters) - be an issue here, in the case agaisnt Durrhh?

Fourth question: Where is Mr. Elmostafa? Has anyone interviewed him?

Fifth question: was Levicy asked to leave DUMC?

Sixth question: did Levicy's leaving have anything to do with Duke's (and presumably DUMC's) settlement with the accused?

Seventh question: how many of the other lacrosse players are going to sue (someone?)

Eighth question: what does it take for the Justice Dept. to step in?

9/10/07 7:14 AM
Anonymous said...
After several failed attempts at identification, how did CGM just happen to pick three of the richest players on the team? Was she coached on selecting these in order to facilitate a healthy settlement from the players who would fear a he said/ she said trial?

Brant Jones

9/10/07 7:39 AM
Anonymous said...
At the risk of beating a dead horse, let me once more urge all North Carolinians to write to your State representatives and senators urging them to amend the grand jury law that is on the books now and which allowed Nifong's minions to get indictments in a case with ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE THAT A CRIME HAD EVEN BEEN COMMITTED! I have written to Marc Basnight, President Pro Tem or the NC Senate, but he replied with a "thanks for your interesting opinion, but I'm not going to do anything about the problem." This weakness in the state law is the main point exploited by Gottlieb and Himan and lord knows how many other crooked cops. Force the issue, folks! Write! Call! Visit!

9/10/07 7:40 AM
Anonymous said...
ABout KC's Chronicle ad questions, maybe one of KC's Duke connections could help out here. Couldn't somebody connected with Duke call the Chronicle and ask what the procedures are for submitting that kind of ad? Shouldn't the newspaper have some kind of form or something that would have asked Lubiano to support her claim about the endorsements?

And same thing with original drafts. If rumor's right and Chronicle said tone it down shouldn't there be some kind of record at the newspaper that somebody who is a Dukie could get at, or at least ask about?

If nothing else a question about standard procedures for acceptance of ad content would help us have more than rumors.

How about it folks? Especially those of you at Duke that care about what happened and support KC's efforts. Throw some help KC's way. He shouldn't have to do everything.

9/10/07 7:52 AM
jim2 said...
The "erased tapes" - will some one eventually come forward with a different version of what happnened?

If so, that could lead to additional criminal charges.

9/10/07 8:05 AM
Anonymous said...
My one disappointment with the book was there were no pictures, plans or other descriptions of the bathroom. It is my expectation that the room is just too small for the alleged activity, but I have never seen an accurate description.--buddy

9/10/07 8:08 AM
Anonymous said...
Roboguy at 5:14--your general question about "outsourcing" is relevant. But to be clear, Duke did not "provide" offcampus housing to students.

The university actually requires students to live on campus for three years (with some exceptions for second semester juniors returning from study abroad); many students move off campus senior year, but they are not required, or even encouraged, to by Duke.

The lacrosse house and other houses owned by Duke were never rented by Duke to students; instead they were purchased in order to rehab and resell them to owner-occupiers who were not students, but families. However, Duke bought the properties subject to existing lease agreements, which were with students.

9/10/07 8:10 AM
Anonymous said...
KC,

Have you interviewed Freda Black?

9/10/07 8:20 AM
Anonymous said...
A lot of the questions about Duke faculty and administration actions would be answered if some enterprising whistleblower on the Duke IT staff were to excavate a batch of emails from their servers.

This is the sort of stuff that would have come out in discovery had the university gone to trial in a civil suit. You can draw some conclusions about how damning it is by the speed with which Duke settled.

9/10/07 8:30 AM
Anonymous said...
I have a question:
Why are there so many unanswered questions in this matter?

9/10/07 8:36 AM
Anonymous said...
What is Duke's policy on their network and computers? I would assume McFayden computer was his own, but would also assume that the network and servers used for connection were Duke's. So -- would Duke claim the right to give LE that email without a supoena as it was on their network and their server? This is the rule I work under at my company....no right to computer privacy -- it's their computer, their network, etc.

9/10/07 8:44 AM
Penny said...
1. Why did the Durham access intake nurse suggest to Mangum she was raped? Did this nurse know Mangum was a nut job and want to pass her on to someone else? Or is the a common part of the intake process?

I am a psych nurse that has worked many years in various Crisis/Intake units. It is NOT a a direct question I would ask unless the client indicated to me that they had a specific physical trauma that needed to be immediately medically addressed. If clients don't state they were raped as a chief complaint in their initial explanation of why they are there, the events surrounding their coming to the unit, it would be totally inappropriate to ask. You do not give often unreliable and manipulative psych clients suggestions. It's improper interviewing.

Both nurses in this sordid saga were sub-standard clinicians in my opinion. I can't figure out how Tara Levicy was able to operate with so much autonomy. Before I ever spoke with police, I would have accessed the doctor and probably the administration to review all clinical records and opinions.

Tara Levicy should no longer have a nursing license. She violated nursing ethics. The other nurse was just stupid, most likely poorly trained.

9/10/07 8:49 AM
another.anon said...
What was on Mangum's cell phone that the judge was covering up?

9/10/07 8:55 AM
Anonymous said...
JC, many thanks for the great blog. As it winds down, I want to say how much I appreciated your coverage. As a taxpaying citizen of Durham, I have a lot of questions for the candidates in the upcoming elections, thanks to your excellent blog. Fare thee well.

Walt, in Durham

9/10/07 8:59 AM
Anonymous said...
Here's my question: Will Tom Hanks be cast as K.C. in the UPI movie?

9/10/07 9:24 AM
Gary Packwood said...
Brant Jones 7:39 said...

...After several failed attempts at identification, how did CGM just happen to pick three of the richest players on the team? Was she coached on selecting these in order to facilitate a healthy settlement from the players who would fear a he said/ she said trial?
::
Brant asks a key question I believe if we are ever to understand the extent that Duke faculty and students were directly and indirectly involved in moving the hoax forward.
::
GP

9/10/07 9:25 AM
Anonymous said...
Did anyone in the Durham D.A's Office ever have any doubts about Nifong's actions. I can't believe he was able to maintain a total vacuum around the case. I would presume there was some "shop" talk between ADA's, paralegals and admistrative folks. One would think at least a few people asked Nifong a probing question or two.

9/10/07 9:32 AM
GPrestonian said...
Durham D.A’s Office:

What sort of conversations occurred between Nifong, Linwood, and DPD about the arrest of Elmostafa, & between Nifong and Ashley Cannon regarding the prosecution of Elmostafa?

9/10/07 9:37 AM
Ralph Phelan said...
How much money did the City of Durham, County of Durham and State of North Carolina respectively spend on room, board and other support for Crystal Mangum?

What is their usual policy and practice with regards to supporting witnesses?

9/10/07 9:38 AM
Ralph Phelan said...
"Why, exactly, did Police Chief Steve Chalmers decide to totally absent himself from departmental affairs ... during the highest-profile investigation in his department’s history; and why did City Manager Patrick Baker allow Chalmers to do so?"

One theory is that Chalmers was smart enough to realize the whose thing was a bad idea wanted to keep his hands off it, and Baker didn't want to risk him blowing the game if forced to participate against his will.

9/10/07 9:41 AM
Gary Packwood said...
The Duke University Senior Administrative Job Performance System

Duke uses a 360o and anonymous job performance system for senior administrators whereby a persons continued employment is based on what anonymous faculty, staff and students have to say about their job performance.

Is this job performance system itself a key reason that Broadhead and his senior staff never took action to end the hoax?
::
GP

9/10/07 9:43 AM
Ralph Phelan said...
How much did the City & County of Durham and the State of North Carolina pay to house, feed and otherwise support Crystal Mangum.

How does this amount and her treatment in general compare to policies in place and to the way other witnesses have been treated?

9/10/07 9:51 AM
Anonymous said...
How in the hell can Duke continue to employ Kim Curtis? She is a complete disgrace.

9/10/07 9:52 AM
Ralph Phelan said...
Anonymous 9/10/07 9:52 AM
said...
"How in the hell can Duke continue to employ Kim Curtis? She is a complete disgrace."

Many of the "questions" I'm seeing are in fact just expressions of disgust.

Let's try to stick to actual attempts to gain detailed information about facts and events, rather than more general questions about the nature of evil that have are unanswerable in any manner comprehensible to a sane and moral mind.

9/10/07 9:58 AM
Anonymous said...
I have wondered why it tool so long to get from 610 Buchanan to the Kroger store? What happened during that time?

9/10/07 9:59 AM
Anonymous said...
My nagging question: What on earth would possess any parent to commit $40K or $50K a year to send their kid to Duke after what's been revealed about that cesspool? The core of the problem is Americans have been brainwashed to believe that everybody should get a college education. Face it, people, there are a helluva lot of kids who can't be educated beyond their limited intellect, and a student attending the likes of Duke is vulnerable to the evil perpetrated by the Group of 88 and their enablers. Think about it.

9/10/07 10:00 AM
inman said...
The lacrosse team paid Mangum & Roberts $800 for 2 hours of dancing. Mangum & Roberts danced for four minutes, so all they earned was $26.67.

My question:

Did the lacrosse team get their $773.33 refund?

9/10/07 10:07 AM
KC Johnson said...
Let me echo Ralph P's point--some of these questions are very interesting ones indeed.

9/10/07 10:09 AM
Anonymous said...
What members of Durham police and DA were involved with Crystal in her previous conviction and her relative's murder case? Were these same people involved also in Duke Hoax?

9/10/07 10:10 AM
inman said...
On a more serious note...

Brodhead made this statement in his August interview with 60 Minutes:

"The facts kept changing. Every day we learned new things that no one knew the day before. Every day we were being urged to speak with certainty about facts that were full of great uncertainty at that point." (amphasis added)

Who was 'urging' Brodhead to speak and what was the nature of that 'urging'? Was there any written communication or e-mails that memorialized that urging? And if so, were any of the faculty or other administration officials consulted by or about those who urged Brodhead to speak with certainty?

9/10/07 10:14 AM
Anonymous said...
Why didn't the DPD plant evidence in the case?

Although I am not a lawyer, it seems to me that it is more convicing to a jury to have hard evidence, and once the evidence is planted, it is impossible to prove that it is not authentic.

9/10/07 10:17 AM
Carolyn said...
Who deliberately edited Ryan's email?

The sole reason for releasing his email was because the case had just collapsed due to the lab finding NO DNA of any of the LAX players on Crystal. The email re-ignited the case by tricking the media and the world into mistakenly thinking a sexual assault had taken place. But the only way Ryan's email could do that would be if it was FIRST twisted around with important parts erased, things taken out of context, etc.

Thus, whomever edited the email committed fraud, perjury and assault on Ryan (and by extension, Reade, Dave and Collin).

So, who edited Ryan's email?

9/10/07 10:18 AM
Anonymous said...
What exactly is CGM's relationship with the Durham Police Department?

I read earlier (either Liestoppers or FR) that when Crystal was picked up and taken to Duke Access one of the policemen said over the police radio that he was going to drive by Crystal's house and check on the little ones.

As another poster asked, is she a narc? or is the Durham PD still running that prostitution ring?

9/10/07 10:29 AM
miramar said...
KC, you ask, "What, precisely, was Mangum’s relationship with NCCU? How many courses had she really taken? Was she ever really a full-time student?"

I have always found it interesting that then-NCCU President Ammons kept a very diplomatic silence throughout the proceedings, which suggests to me that he knew that CGM was not all she was made out to be. After all, if she was not enrolled (which I don't know how she could be if she was coming home at 6:00 AM after her gigs), the administration would have figured that out after looking at her transcript online. So I would add to your question: If Ammons had additional information on CGM, which I suspect he did, did he inform Brodhead about it? They certainly had a number of meetings, so there would have been ample opportunity for them to discuss CGM.

9/10/07 10:30 AM
Anonymous said...
"...the ad received formal endorsement from five Duke academic departments."

What steps has Duke as an institution (rather than KC and others privately) taken (a) to determine whether the faculty departments in question in fact endorsed the ad in accordance with department procedure, (b) if not, to determine if individual faculty members knowingly used the name of the concerned department(s) without proper authorization, (c) to determine whether department funds were used to pay for the ad and, if so, was that in accordance with applicable Duke procedures, (d) to determine if publication of the ad, whether or not properly authorized and funded, was consistent with applicable Duke procedures and the obligation to protect the interest of students, (e) determine if any Duke faculty member engaged in misconduct with respect to the treatment of lacrosse team members or their supporters in class or in grades, (f) if improper conduct occurred, to seek to prevent such conduct from occurring in the future and (g) if improper conduct occurred, to hold the individuals and departments engaged in that conduct publicly accountable for their misconduct.

Unless I am mistaken, this is not a set of issues that lies solely within the province of the departments concerned and their faculty - it is within the competence of the faculty of Duke generally and the Duke Administration as well.

BTW, is there a formal grievance process that can be triggered by an individual (faculty or student)?

9/10/07 10:31 AM
Debrah said...
KC,

Have you interviewed Freda Black?


Please. No more seasoned cronies--former or present--from the Durham district attorney's office for the public to endure.

Although Black would have been far and away a better choice than Mikey.....she's no prize.

What would she have to offer?

That she was very upset when Mikey fired her?

That she will be running for DA soon?

That she is dismayed by what Mikey did to Durham's reputation?

Who cares? These refugees from the (Jim Hardin DA days) are basically from the same mold. They couldn't practice in Durham, otherwise.

9/10/07 10:39 AM
Debrah said...
I have wondered why it took so long to get from 610 Buchanan to the Kroger store? What happened during that time?

Well......Kim Roberts had to take the time to concoct a phony racial slur incident outside the house by calling the DPD.

Then she had to convince a drugged-out Mangum to stay in the car so they could get away with keeping all the money...while faking injury from "racial taunts" which Roberts, herself, instigated.

Next, Roberts had to placate Mangum as she begged to be bruised and beaten. HIt me!.....she reportedly implored Roberts.

This was a scam from the start which snowballed to suit these two women who were out to make some easy money off the streets.

It's just as one of Mangum's former employers opined...(to paraphrase)....What happened to the lacrosse players that night could have happened to any other man out there. They just had the bad luck.

9/10/07 10:50 AM
Anonymous said...
KC:

It seems the more questions that get answered, the more questions that arise.

I believe one thing is apparent. The frame-up was conducted with the cooperation of the DPD, the city fathers, the Duke administration, certain district judges and the media. The breadth of it is stupifying.

The single most important question (that will be answered soon) is : what will the City of Durham do?

With the mindset that permeates this community, it is my belief that they will admit nothing and will fight the lawsuit until the bitter end. I could be wrong but the PC disease that afflicts Durham hasn't been addressed.

in retrospect, its not the frameup that defies logic. Its the total community denial of what happened that is mindboggling.



Ken
Dallas

9/10/07 10:58 AM
Penny said...
Here's a question in line with my earlier statement, why did the hospital administration allow Tara Levicy to be point person in this high profile case? Her continued egregiously unsubstantiated insistance that Magnum was raped to the police had to have come to light and should have had them combing the records and interviewing the attending doctor.

She should have been be put on leave or fired as soon as it became clear what she was doing.

9/10/07 10:58 AM
Debrah said...
I have always found it interesting that then-NCCU President Ammons kept a very diplomatic silence throughout the proceedings, which suggests to me that he knew that CGM was not all she was made out to be.

This is the unwritten and unspoken (for public consumption) code in the black community.

Anyone having the gall to say this is painting with a broad brush doesn't know much at all about the black community--no matter what socio-economic level.

And its one of the things that keeps this often self-segregated group marginalized in many social circles.

Who can have an authentic conversation when everyone else is expected not to discuss the reality of what occurs in our country everyday.

No one wants to come right out and say it. Our society has been conditioned to gloss over circumstances when the black community wants to play the victim role.

The lacrosse case brings this reality together into a nightmare/comedy presentation.

And on a national stage.

9/10/07 11:01 AM
Ralph Phelan said...
Anonymous 9/10/07 10:31 AM said...
"...the ad received formal endorsement from five Duke academic departments.

What steps has Duke as an institution ..."
That one's pretty easy. Nothing.

"BTW, is there a formal grievance process that can be triggered by an individual (faculty or student)?"
That's an interesting question.

I've already decided that Duke's professors are collectively a bunch of pussies.

But if there's some way professors could complain about departments signing ads in violation of written policy, or about miriam cooke disrupting a Horowitz speech in violation of written policy, and it hasn't been used, then every single professor at Duke is also individually themselves a pussy.

9/10/07 11:03 AM
xutag77 said...
Many of these questions ware making the assumption of a minimal level of compentence or fairness.

Many (most) actors in this case achieved neither.

With this view of the proceedings most of the questions become self answering.

For instance
"Why, even though he had been informed of in-class harassment of lacrosse players at an April 6, 2006 meeting with coaches, did neither President Brodhead nor anyone in his administration interview any of the lacrosse players to determine the truth of the issue?"

The answer is easy, Duke and Broadhead did not really want to determine the truth of the issue. Why? If they did they would have to do something about it. That would be a public relations and legal nightmare.

9/10/07 11:08 AM
Anonymous said...
Others have mentioned this, but: There is no doubt in my mind that Precious had a previous "relationship" with the Durham cops, which is the biggest and ugliest secret of this whole affair.

It explains so much: Why Durham cops would work so hard to pin a non-existent crime on whomever Precious named; why she wasn't seriously imprisoned for trying to run-over a Durham cop in a stolen taxicab; why nobody is interested in prosecuting her now; why no cops even call the childrens protection agencies to investigate her, when the NC Attorney General has told the world that her grip on reality is non-existent.

This is the big secret that makes this well-placed, well-used prostitute so radioactive. If she's put under pressure, law enforcement is terrified of what she might blurt out, or threaten to reveal.

But we'll never get to the bottom of what happened, and why, until the relationship between Crystal Gail Mangum and Durham police is completely laid bare.

For this to happen, somebody -- somewhere -- will have to show some genuine political courage and integrity. Until, then, any "investigation" is a joke.

9/10/07 11:13 AM
Debrah said...
I was flipping throught the N&O this morning. I think it was the Sunday paper since I haven't even looked at today's yet.

There was a photo of Mikey coming out of jail which I hadn't seen before. His mouth was turned downward in a scowl as Peterson and the other dizzingly goofy supporters huddled around him.

This man is indecent, no doubt, but I believe that he is definitely mentally ill. All joking aside, he has to be.

I think he should be closely monitored by someone in the media to see if he moves on to do further damage to someone else......even if it's flipping burgers.

We've all joked about this a lot, but look at Durham as a town. Who would sit back and pretend that Mikey is the only thing wrong there?

9/10/07 11:20 AM
no justice, no peace said...
KC the fact that your efforts have and will lead to additional inquiry speaks volumes of your work. It is incumbement upon us all to continue to peel away the onion.

I don't think it overstates the obvious to say that these are the "times that try men's soul" with the very dangerous cultural police that have infected the academy, the press, the government, etc.

We can do better, we must do better. We have seen the alternative and it is not acceptable.

“These are the times that try men’s souls: The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country; but he that stands it NOW, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.” —Thomas Paine

Your efforts are a roadmap on how and why we all should "stand(s) it NOW" and why you deserve "the love and thanks of man and woman".

9/10/07 11:22 AM
Michael said...
Regarding Addison, we did some analysis at Liestoppers and I think that we came to the conclusion that Lamb (don't remember his rank) probably had the most to do with Addison doing what he did.

9/10/07 11:33 AM
Debrah said...
I want to know how much information Mayor Bell and the rest of the Durham City Council had about this case from the start.

We all remember seeing Bell and a few council members sitting on a podium at the ridiculous NCCU forum in the beginning.

They tell city manager what to do. Each is in close contact with him, and he is always in close contact with the DPD.

All of these people remained so silent.

I believe they knew these charges had no basis. I also believe that some knew all about Mangum and her sordid history.

In Durham, the city council members (a few of them with the right melanin supply) are unusually chummy with the police chief.

One council member used to get free chauffer service from his predecessor...going back and forth to certain meetings and events.

They don't operate normally over there...and don't wish to.

9/10/07 11:39 AM
Anonymous said...
What happened to Crystal's shoe?

9/10/07 11:42 AM
Debrah said...
.....miriam cooke disrupting a Horowitz speech in violation of written policy.....

I thought that was the funny woman Diane Nelson who did that.

Was cooke involved as well?

9/10/07 11:44 AM
Ralph Phelan said...
xutag77 said...
"Many of these questions ware making the assumption of a minimal level of compentence or fairness.

Many (most) actors in this case achieved neither.

With this view of the proceedings most of the questions become self answering"

That's what I was trying to get at. Thanks for putting it better than I did.

Let's concentrate on the questions that remain after applying xutag77's assumptions.

In reflecting on my still-developing understanding of this case, there is only one guiding principle that has yet to let me down: "No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up."

9/10/07 11:53 AM
bill anderson said...
Ralph Phelan said...

How much did the City & County of Durham and the State of North Carolina pay to house, feed and otherwise support Crystal Mangum.

How does this amount and her treatment in general compare to policies in place and to the way other witnesses have been treated?
9/10/07 9:51 AM

I would say that it is almost a given that Durham used federal funds from the Violence Against Women Act to spend on Crystal. The government makes money available for "rape victims," and knowing Durham and Nifong, I would be pretty sure that they would have used that money instead of their own local funds.

This would not be hard to verify, and while I have not done any verification, logic tells me that they were using that money. If that is the case, then we have a situation in which officials (and Crystal) used federal money fraudulently, which is a serious felony. So, if Durham and Nifong did use VAWA funding in any way to promote or help the Hoax along, they are criminally vulnerable.

9/10/07 11:55 AM
Anonymous said...
I have some questions about the Gang of 88 ad in the Chronicle. I understand the ad received formal endorsement from five Duke academic departments. Who actually paid for the ad? Was it paid for by one of these departments with Duke University funds or was it paid for by one of the individual professors? If it was paid for with Duke funds, are there no rules covering University money expenditures???? Just wondering...

9/10/07 11:56 AM
Matthew said...
How could so many factions be so stupid? Why is it wrong in America to be white and work hard? Why does being white and "Privileged" make it ok to be brought up on rape charges and to go through hell?

9/10/07 12:05 PM
Anonymous said...
What was the level of cooperation between the Duke PR office and the Durham Herald-Sun in creating a public bias against the Duke lacrosse players?

As events unfolded, it appeared that the outrageously one-sided coverage of the Herald-Sun was Bob Ashley's way of placating his A-A readership.

But as more information came to light, it appears as though there was a coordinated effort between the Herald-Sun and the Duke PR department to smear the lacrosse players. In particular, the near simultaneous announcements emanating from Duke alum Ashley's H-S, and the offices of Duke PR head John Burness, and other members of the Duke administration and BOT, including Brodhead and Steel, indicate a worrisome level of coordination.

It is possible that Bob Ashley was taking "marching orders" directly from Durham's "largest employer", Duke University. If so, the culpability on Duke's part for damages done to the lacrosse players is astounding.

9/10/07 12:20 PM
Anonymous said...
JLS says....,

re: anon 7:40

Sorry but you are wrong in two dimension:

1. Mangum crying rape and IDing three people is plenty of evidence for indictments. That is why the DA and the police to a lessor extent are to be checks on false allegations. It is what is called prosecutorial disscretion.

2. While NC should record the grand jury testimony, the BIGGEST program by far with the NC system is the case management system allowed in Durham which unbalances the balance between the judge and the DA. The judge is no longer neutral and must do the DA's bidding or risk getting nothing but unimportant cases. Getting NC judges back to neutral in cases is the most fundamental reform needed.

9/10/07 12:23 PM
Anonymous said...
Here are my unanswered questions:

1. Why has CGM not been prosecuted for making up a story. Im sure if thre was as much effort toward investigating what she did and whatr she said throughout the whole process, it would be clear she knew what she was doing and was using those in power who hate Duke to facillitate her actions.

2. Why is it three kids from Duke wrongly accused of a crime and who had a DA withhold evidence who can afford good lawyers not only get vindicated but can threaten to sue and likely settle various entities for millions of dollars without ever having served a day in jail or been convicted of anything yet a man in the same state, under very similar circumstances, gets convicted because of these actions and winds up on Death Row(Gell) yet after he is shown freedom, the DAs do not get disbarred and the proper entities sued for millions and a settlement achieved with little or no fight?

3. If the boys deserve all they can get for what happened, why do we support this so easily yet stand in silence when the community of Durham has entirely too many people living off the government and nothing is done. If the proper people took action to eliminate this social welfare in the same way they pursued justice and civil damages in a slam dunk case, I would think that maybe this wasnt just another example of those with the means clamoring for justice when justice is on their side so easily. The toughest battles seem to be the battles no one wants.

4. How do people like Victoria Peterson exist and why are people afraid to stand up to her and those like her. We have become so afraid of being labled racists that we allow someone like her to act in a way that would get a white person fired or shunned by society. The militant black is a scary thing in this country and they use their race to justify being some of the scariest and stupidest people in the world?

4. What happens to Nifong civilly and criminally from here? Will he do real jail time? Does the buck stop with him because he had the final decision or do his enablers and encourages deserve the same punishment?

5. What happens to Broadhead? Why is he still in any position of power at Duke?

6. What happens to the city of Durham from here? Does it become a city of those who are tied to Duke and those who live in the projects and live of the government because middle class folks leave in droves because of the economic and social dynamics that derive from this case?

7. Why is justice geared so toward someones economic standing and not their skin color unless there is a consensus that blacks are and always will be unable to be the economic equals of anyone. By making this case about race, is it the latest acceptance by the black community that they are as a whole failures?

This has been a fascinating case for me to watch.

9/10/07 12:30 PM
Debrah said...
A letter in the H-S:

Lacrosse players wrong to punish whole town

I read with some dismay that the three young men falsely accused of rape, kidnapping, etc. are now intent on "raping" all the citizens of Durham because of the actions of a few. I did not vote to place Mike Nifong in office.

Nifong alone used the case as a means to elicit enough votes to remain in office. Mine was not one of those votes. While I have and still sympathize with these young men, and certainly agree that changes in our system are needed, I cannot support their attempts to take my hard-earned tax payment and line their pockets and those of their lawyers.

I am innocent of any harm to the three men, and like them would welcome an opportunity to prove that innocence in court I would gladly serve on that jury.

John Robbins
Durham
September 10, 2007

9/10/07 12:45 PM
rrhamilton said...

Penny said...
Here's a question in line with my earlier statement, why did the hospital administration allow Tara Levicy to be point person in this high profile case?


I've wondered the very same thing.

9/10/07 12:46 PM
Anonymous said...
Check out the BlueNC blog and see how the Duke-3-haters are getting ripped to shreds. Too funny.

9/10/07 12:50 PM
Anonymous said...
Why doesn't KC's book
answer any of these
questions ?

9/10/07 12:50 PM
Anonymous said...
Debrah at 11:20 a.m. writes "[Nifong] is indecent, no doubt, but I believe that he is definitely mentally ill. All joking aside, he has to be."

I'm inclined to agree with Debrah's conclusion. Are there any mental health professionals out there willing to give an armchair analysis of this guy? Is he just a narcissist or is he a sociopath truly unable to feel any sense of remorse for the wrong he has inflicted on the accused, the other players, the bar of NC, his town, his family, etc. There has to be a name for what ails him.

9/10/07 12:50 PM
Anonymous said...
Why not interview Freda Black?

Since there are no current ADA's that have been forthcoming about the former DA's indescretions, then Freda Black(former ADA - fired by the now former DA) is the obvious go-to person for "what's in the closet".

9/10/07 1:00 PM
Anonymous said...
How did the Durham PD gain access to the dorm?

Ed

9/10/07 1:02 PM
Debrah said...
Info update:

My local Barnes & Noble as of today has a good stock of UPI and it is still being displayed in several locations inside the store...with a store window display.

Good!

I know KC has a book signing at the Regulator later in the month. Perhaps his publisher should set up one for this area B&N as well.

9/10/07 1:06 PM
sceptical said...
On "Until Proven Innocent":

Amazon is now quoting[B] 3-6 weeks [/B]for delivery:

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KC and Stuart,
Your agent and your lawyer need to urgently pressure your publisher to do additional printings. Whoever advised you to start with a 13,000 printing was foolish. No new book should have a 3-6 week wait on Amazon and not be available in many bookstores. It is ironic that a book about a fiasco is a fiasco. I feel bad for you and Stuart after having put your heart and souls into this book.

sceptical

9/10/07 1:08 PM
Anonymous said...
I have a couple of lingering concerns:

1. What has been the impact on the internet based exotic dancing economy? Surely many otherwise willing and eager customers to one of Durham's vital industries have been scared off by Ms. Mangum's behavior. The complete absence of criminal convictions for pay-for-sex crimes there strongly implies political complicity. Who speaks and looks out for the interests of the young men and women who now have difficulty finding employment in their chosen field?

2. Based on what I've read (particularly in Pressler's book) about Crystal, her services typically commanded fees in the low two digit range for a variety of putatively extralegal activities. How in the world did she stumble in to a gig paying $400!! for two hours of dancing?

3. Have the guys on the team who masterminded(?) this affair learned that you NEVER pay contract workers in full before satisfactory work has been completed? Roberts' resume strongly suggests that, as soon as she got paid, she no longer had any incentive to 'work' and rapidly (and successfully) looked for and found a 'reason' to leave with the loot. I think it's unlikely that 'Precious' would or could have come up with anything that 'clever' on her own and her reported pleas to Roberts to go back to 'make more money' after they had initially left the party support that conjecture. Obviously, this was in direct opposition to Roberts' plan to take ALL the money and dump the impaired Mangum before she could sort through the complexities. Little did Roberts know that Mangum was apparently incapable of sorting through anything even under the best circumstances.

Off topic. I had a depressing chat with a golfing buddy of mine about the case. He has not followed it closely but was perfectly willing to share with me his conviction that it's inconceivable that the lacrosse players didn't do SOMETHING that fateful night. I'll send him a copy of your book (and that should take care of him), but he's not stupid and used to be a college student and finds the likelihood of shenanigans completely credible. I had erroneously assumed that only the diehard, racist faithful would continue to cling to that myth in the face news of the players' exoneration and Nifong's disbarment and criminal conviction.

Sigh...

RL Duke alum medicine '75

9/10/07 1:09 PM
Anonymous said...
KC, I most likely will never meet you personally, but I have a huge debt of gratitude to you for your investment of time and moral courage to provide the quality of scholarship and dectective work that are evident in the book ( I am in tears as I read it) and on this blog.

In my mind, there is still a missing link... I have said it over and over on this and other blogs. WHY IS CRYSTAL MAGNUM SUCH A HOT POTATOE THAT NO ONE HAS CONNECTED THE DOTS?

WHY DOES SHE REMAIN UNINDICTED?

IS THERE ANY TRACEABLE CONNECTION BETWEEN HER AND ANY MEMBER OF THE DPD?

To me, it is TOOO obvious that something stinketh here, and it is more than just the fact that this woman is mentally imbalanced.

I may be wrong. But I just know in my gut, that you will find some footprints of her services somewhere with somebody who would be bigtime embarassed.

Maybe this is not appropriate input to the blog, but I am pretty much a "nobody" so there is no where else for me to register this opinion.

I hope somebody is listening or reading.

We are most likely not on the same sides of some political issues, or even social issues, KC, but I have tremendous respect for your integrity. And I thank you once again, on behalf of many grateful people, for giving us this window of opportunity to try to take back some of our institutions.

It has been said that "You can neither heal nor change that which you do not first acknowledge." You have forced us to acknowledge. The rest falls on our shoulders.

God bless you in your next endeavors. I suppose many of us wish you would permit us to journey with you... on a new blog... on new subjects. Is that a possibility?

You have become "Professor of History" to a larger audience than you might have imagined. Might you consider an "online university"? .... lectures only please! No credits, no papers to grade, just an investment that makes a difference.

dsl

9/10/07 1:11 PM
Anonymous said...
My number 1 question is also what happened in all the time it took Kim to drive from 610 Buchanon to Kroger. That would have been a rookie cop's first question.... certainly one beggin followup.

9/10/07 1:29 PM
Anonymous said...
My questions:
1) Jesse Jackson, have you "found" CGM yet? Last interview I hear you on, you said you couldn't find her! I can't believe operation PUSH can't afford to find her!
2) Once you "find" her, will you still be paying for her tuition? LMAO
3) So, exactly what is CGM doing now?

9/10/07 1:31 PM
Anonymous said...
Who's numbers are (were) saved in CGM's cell phone????

9/10/07 1:33 PM
Debrah said...
Here's an unanswered question for Durham residents who say they are not to blame for this Hoax and who think everyone should move on:

Why do most of them still support the likes of the popeyed wonder Diane Catotti as a city council member?

Latest news shows she has even been endorsed by the mostly conservative group--Friends of Durham.

This is a woman who has rabidly supported Mike Nifong like a torrid lover even after it became known that his case had no evidence and even after it became public knowledge that he had botched it in a very shameful way.

She was a part of his fraudulent election campaign in the Fall of 2006.

Catotti has strong ties to members of Duke's Gang of 88 and is openly supportive of their rush to judgment, bigoted, and white-male-hating views of the world.

This is an example of how the citizens of Durham move forward.

9/10/07 1:36 PM
Debrah said...
TO 1:08PM--

You sure chose the right moniker.

Just replace the "C" with a "K" and you're set!

skeptical

9/10/07 1:51 PM
Debrah said...
What was the level of cooperation between the Duke PR office and the Durham Herald-Sun in creating a public bias against the Duke lacrosse players?

From the start, there was a constant barrage of "guest columns" from members of the Gang of 88. Orin Starn was allowed almost an entire editorial page.....an over 1000-word, anti-lacrosse diatribe.

This is what began my campaign of almost weekly screaming sessions with them.

They would not offer the same kind of largesse to the opposing view.

Of course they were, and are, in bed with Duke.

In Durham, besides the state and federal government, Duke University is a steady stream of easy money......more programs and access for the needy...don't you know?

Both the H-S and Duke placate the black community constantly to keep order in the town.

It's the closest any of us will come to seeing a banana republic in operation other than Washington DC, Atlanta, and perhaps Detroit.

9/10/07 2:05 PM
Gary Packwood said...
Anonymous 12:50 said...
...Are there any mental health professionals out there willing to give an armchair analysis of this guy?
::
Hopefully not.
::
GP

9/10/07 2:08 PM
Debrah said...
TO 1:09PM--

These guys were kids and had no experience in the field of hiring strippers.

Giving the money up front as the women asked was their way of complying.

It reminds me of myself close to that same age. I've never liked business and to this day have to be led kicking and screaming with respect to "negotiating" in money matters.

The first time I bought a car, I went inside the dealershp and saw the one I liked...and without even "haggling" or attempting to "negotiate", I told them which one I wanted and paid the sticker price.

We have to live and learn.

LOL!!!

The lacrosse guys were also trying to be respectful of these women and quite to the contrary of the portrayal in the media, the fact that they accepted the women into the house even though they had ordered a "different product"...speaks volumes toward their lack of racism.

They were young and gullible and were just trying to have some fun....like millions of university students their age.

9/10/07 2:18 PM
Anonymous said...
Off topic. This is not a nitpicking correction because I expect UPI to go into a second printing (and with updated material).

On p.393 of UPI Nanerl Keohane's name is misspelled, and she is listed twice in the index, once correctly and shortly later incorrectly.

KC, do you know where more information on her role in the Larry Summers firing can be found?

9/10/07 2:21 PM
Anonymous said...
Debbie,

"sceptical" is a variant of "skeptical," which makes it 100% acceptable English usage.

9/10/07 2:23 PM
Anonymous said...
Well, I finished the book last evening and thought that it was really well done. There was much that I learned that was not in the newspapers, so I am grateful to the authors for their effort.

However, I was left totally drained and depressed because there was no closure other than Nifong's disgrace. I hope the families just crush the city in their lawsuits, which the city will probably pay for via a special assessment they place on the university.

So the questions I would pose are: Have the group of 88 Duke professors no shame? Has Duke's administration no shame? Has the Durham police department no shame? Has Nancy Grace no shame? Has the New York Times no shame? Has the NAACP no shame? Has the Durham Herald newspaper no shame?

These people and groups are supposed to be protectors and defenders of rights. They deserve to be scorned for their actions and inactions.

Thank you for this blog.

9/10/07 2:26 PM
scott said...
Uh, oh 12:05 PM --

You have just exposed yourself as being insufficiently politically correct.

The PC Police have already been alerted. You can expect to receive your notice as to when and where to report for orientation / indoctrination any minute now.

9/10/07 2:36 PM
Ralph Phelan said...
"No new book should have a 3-6 week wait on Amazon and not be available in many bookstores. It is ironic that a book about a fiasco is a fiasco. I feel bad for you and Stuart after having put your heart and souls into this book.

sceptical "

Having one's publisher unable to keep up with demand is the sort of "problem" most authors can only dream of.

9/10/07 2:37 PM
Ralph Phelan said...
Another "follow the money" question:

Where were the "wanted" posters printed?
Who paid for them?

9/10/07 2:41 PM
Anonymous said...
Does Cystal pay income taxes on her high earnings?

9/10/07 2:42 PM
Anonymous said...
I'd like to know which names of Durham officials and members of the DPD were in Crystal's little black book.

9/10/07 2:43 PM
Anonymous said...
the shoe, the shoe.

Did Kim or Crystal know the security guard at the Kroger's before the night in question?

9/10/07 2:46 PM
Penny said...
Are there any mental health professionals out there willing to give an armchair analysis of this guy?

I'll take a shot at it as a psych nurse. Nifong appears to me as a narcissist and anti-social personality disorder. Google the DSM IV and look under Personality Disorders. His only regret is that he got caught. HE was misunderstood. Typical anti-social.

I wouldn't invest a lot in Magnum's diagnosis as a Bipolar, it's become a very throw-away diagnosis now days unless determined by a good clinician over time. A Borderline Personality disorder often mimics it. Good clinicians are reluctant to make a definitive diagnosis when clients are substance users. I doubt there has been a long enough interval in Magnum's life that she wasn't using.

It's inexplicable to me that when she presented at the ER with her erratic and flippant statements they weren't filtered through her avoidance of a psych admission, present employment and drug use history.

I read KC's book cringing at how bad nursing started this nightmare into play. I can't say enough about the revulsion I feel toward Tara Levicy. I've worked in a university hospital system, Duke's comes up short.

9/10/07 2:48 PM
Anonymous said...
My unanswered questions are:

1. Why hasn't Crystal Mangum been charged for filing a false report?

and,

2. What the hell was Nifong on at the time of his "do not pass go, do not collect $200, go to jail" photo?

The lost look on his face suggests either someone who just plowed a big field of recreational chemistry or just plain thinks the whole thing is a joke, or maybe both.

9/10/07 2:49 PM
Anonymous said...
12:50 -- did you also note that the haters can only reply in 4 letter Anglo-Saxon expletives?

9/10/07 2:53 PM
Anonymous said...
Check out Steve Marcus' review in Newsday.

9/10/07 2:53 PM
Anonymous said...
Why hasn't anybody in the media interviewed Crystal Mangum in the last few weeks? Is she in hiding? Given her willingness to tell her stories before, it would seem that she would be willing to tell additional ones now.

9/10/07 3:16 PM
Debrah said...
TO 2:26PM--

I agree with you.

The book, like this blog Wonderland, is stellar.

But I, also, am left with an aching feeling of a need for punctuation to this Hoax.

It's like a chord progression in music where the listener is taken to a grand crescendo....then left hanging at a high pitch without a resolution chord.

But it also reflects the reality of the situation.

None of the destructive players in the case have paid the way they should....no real resolution as there should be.

Which means only one thing: KC has to write another book!

LIS!

9/10/07 3:20 PM
Anonymous said...
What were the carrots and sticks that were under discussion for approving the zoning for Central Campus, before the LAX affair gave Duke enough leverage to shame Durhan into approving this?

How much of a $30M settlement would Duke pay (via taxes -- IOW, what fraction of the Durham tax base is represented by Duke)? What if the taxes paid by Duke employees were included in this?

9/10/07 3:27 PM
Debrah said...
Wahneema Lubiano opines:

"I'm a post-structuralist teacher-critic leftist. What I've written here is what I do whether I'm thinking, teaching, or engaging in politics (including strategizing). I think that it is part of my privilege, my work, and my pleasure to insist that those three activities are not clearly demarcated. Learning to live with the difficulty of not being absolutely sure and the comfort of not having to be is my reward for being critical about totalizing narratives--especially when we call them the truth."

Well......this certainly explains why this destructive moron is completely comfortable while exercising the liberty to do and say anything she wants.

What a worthless human being.

9/10/07 3:31 PM
Anonymous said...
Question:

Why was a high-earning hooker described as "poor"?

9/10/07 3:34 PM
Ralph Phelan said...
Anonymous 9/10/07 2:26 PM, too answer your questions:

None whatsoever.

9/10/07 3:43 PM
Ralph Phelan said...
"Anonymous said...
I'd like to know which names of Durham officials and members of the DPD were in Crystal's little black book.

9/10/07 2:43 PM"

I'd like to know which Durham officials and members of the DPD left their DNA in her....

9/10/07 3:44 PM
no justice, no peace said...
Inre: "Does Cystal pay income taxes on her high earnings?"

Beautiful!

If the State AG won't file charges against CGM for being a lying whore, then maybe the IRS will go after her for income tax evasion.

The Al Capone approach...

9/10/07 4:01 PM
no justice, no peace said...
By the way, in response to the question,"Is ________a communist?"

I've come to the conclusion that few if any could possibly be communists, including many in the Klan of 88.

It occured to me that communists, though extraordinarly evil, are not that stupid.

Useful idiots, that's for sure, but communists, I think probably not.

On the other hand maybe the PC crowd has successfully dumbed-down communist/marxist theory.

Oh yeah...in the form of a question...

Have the Klan of 88 dumbed-down communism/marxism theory so far that rational minds discount that they are representing communist/marxist ideology in such a way as to render true intelletuals speechless regarding their intentions?

9/10/07 4:10 PM
Anonymous said...
Surprisingly, Steven Marcus' review in Newsday (Sept 10) of Until Proven Innocent is one of praise.

9/10/07 4:17 PM
Anonymous said...
Has anyone thought to check the DNA from "The Louvre" against the national DNA database? Is it possible that one of Crystal's appointments earlier in the day on March 13th was with someone who wears a blue uniform (without a Blue Devil on it)?

9/10/07 4:30 PM
Anonymous said...
Exactly WHO tipped off the news media about the lacrosse team showing up to have their DNA taken?

You're right about following the money on:
1) Crystal's housing and support for those many months.
2) SOMEONE or SOME ENTITY had to pay for the "Listening Ad"- where did the money come from?

TexasMom

9/10/07 4:36 PM
sceptical said...
http://www.newsday.com/sports/college/ny-s...,2652508.column

Duke of all has his say

Steven Marcus
September 10, 2007

Nearly everyone connected with the Duke lacrosse case has heard of K.C. Johnson, the Brooklyn College professor who became the undeniable authority on all aspects of the headline grabbing scandal that Johnson fastidiously chronicled in his blog Durhaminwoderland.

Johnson's words stirred a frenzied crowd and brought along, perhaps (at least privately) to Johnson's chagrin, a cartload of ultra conservative thinkers bent on vilification of the stripper, the media, the university and the justice system. One blog entry from Johnson was worth at least a thousand words of approval from his attentive fans on the Internet.

Johnson, again unintentionally, may have appeared to be pandering to the Internet crowd but in reality was setting the stage for what must be considered the official record of Duke in the just released ``Until Proven Innocent,'' which not only lays out a solidly written literary and legal history of the case, but exposes the justice system of one small town and leaves one to conclude that not only can it happen again, but is occurring all the time, albeit under the media radar.

snip

9/10/07 4:40 PM
Anonymous said...
I've always wondered who was it that made the cotton shirt remark and was he planning on coming forward at a trial to exonerate the other guys. I've also wondered who were the second two guys picked up by the cab driver who supported Reade's alibi. The cab driver said that the two discussed if the police would be called and one said something to the effect of, 'forget it, she's just a stripper'.

9/10/07 4:57 PM
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...

12:50 -- did you also note that the haters can only reply in 4 letter Anglo-Saxon expletives?

9/10/07 2:53 PM

Yes, but f*#@ those f*#@ing f*#@ers ...

9/10/07 5:02 PM
Anonymous said...
KC:

Only one question:

Why have there been no pictures ever shown of the bathroom where the alleged offenses took place?

Ken
Dallas

9/10/07 5:13 PM
Gary Packwood said...
Penny 2:48 said...

...Are there any mental health professionals out there willing to give an armchair analysis of this guy?

...I'll take a shot at it as a psych nurse....
...I read KC's book cringing at how bad nursing started this nightmare into play. I can't say enough about the revulsion I feel toward Tara Levicy. I've worked in a university hospital system, Duke's comes up short.
::
You took a 'shot' at analysis of Nifong as a psych nurse and Tara took a 'shot' at analysis of Precious as a SANE nurse...and you feel revulsion towards Tara Levicy...the SANE Nurse?

Does this seem odd to you?

At least the SANE Nurse laid her eyes on the patient!

Why do I get the feeling that RN's have been attending bi-weekly assertiveness training workshops since Y2K and you have all overdosed on the training.

Sheesh!
::
GP

9/10/07 5:14 PM
Anonymous said...
4:57 PM - I don't think you are seriously wondering anything, just trying to continue to slime the kids.

Nice try though.

9/10/07 5:32 PM
Dukex4 said...
A question:

Who made the first complaint about Nifing to the NC Bar? Recall he wanted (or demanded) to know the person's identity as well.

Dukex4

9/10/07 5:47 PM
Anonymous said...
Concur with 5:32. Good news is no one is listening to them.\
KC> continued thanks and hopes for successful future. If Steve Markus can come up with a positive review after all the damage he did in his own writing, I think that speaks volumes of your pursuit for truth and justice in this case.I hope it does help others to do the same for other wronged individuals. Thanks again.

9/10/07 6:06 PM
no justice, no peace said...
Inre: "...I've always wondered who was it that made the cotton shirt remark and was he planning on coming forward at a trial to exonerate the other guys..."

This has been a point of confusion for me as well.

Did the comment suggest that the shirt was made in China or India?

Was he referring to a nice Madras or a possibly a standard, crew, or v-cut, t-shirt?

Would the abettors give him a pass were he referring to a Che Guevera's t-shirt - the one with the murderer wearing the sassy tam?

And what in the world was Kim Roberts point?

Maybe some of the relativists within the Klan of 88 can help clarify?

Robert's comment reminds me of the Richard Pryor bit about the two black guys having the contest to see which has the largest unit.

They go out on the Golden Gate bridge and the first pulls his unit out to urinate and exclaims, "Brother, this water is cold!"

And the other, responds, "Yeah, and it's deep too."

So in that context the lacrosse player's unit was almost 220 feet (clearance above mean higher high water)long. Does that qualify as little?

Maybe the Attorney General could investigate the language use that night instead of what appears to be a criminal conspiracy to violate many innocent citizens?

9/10/07 6:08 PM
inman said...
njnp @ 6:08

There were actually three guys at the bridge. The third guy resonded to the first two:

"Yeah,...and its got a sandy bottom."

9/10/07 6:41 PM
Anonymous said...
How many names and email addresses are in Wahneema Lubiano's email filter?

Is this her idea of dialogue?

9/10/07 6:52 PM
Anonymous said...
question: Is "Friends of Duke" an apt title for this blog site?

Personally, I don't want to be friends with a moronic administration that is so afraid of blacks that it relaxes all academic standards for them.

Perhaps Duke needs to die, just like that other PC-drenched school that closed this year.

9/10/07 7:30 PM
ABC said...
I'll take a shot at being an armchair psych nurse....

Nifong reminds me of a patient I received in chains one night on the locked ward. The state police brought him via helicopter from the scene of an attempted murder and house blaze. The guy tried to commit suicide by cop but his friends on the state police force wouldn't kill him. The patient, like Nifong, was bull headed, imperious, and even after what he had done his buddies in the state police would not abandon him. He broke so many laws and hurt so many people but after laying low for awhile he was back where he started - with a badge and a gun. Nifong must have a manipulative and charismatic personality, no conscience, no understanding nor care for other people's feelings, He lies, cheats, and yet has a growing fan club.

Diagnosis: Both men have antisocial personality disorder and are sociopaths. Most people with conduct disorders end up in the justice system. The two examples here are on the wrong side for now.

9/10/07 7:51 PM
rrhamilton said...
Steven Marcus is doing the newest 88ist head-fake: Pretending to praise KC but really trying to promote the latest lying metanarrative (after the collapse of their first one).

"Johnson, again unintentionally, may have appeared to be pandering to the Internet crowd but in reality was setting the stage for [first, the pseudo-praise] what must be considered the official record of Duke in the just released ``Until Proven Innocent,'' which not only lays out a solidly written literary and legal history of the case, but exposes the justice system of one small town and leaves one to conclude [... wait for it! ...] that not only can it happen again, but is occurring all the time [yes, "all the time"!], albeit under the media radar [the NEW blue wall of silence, this time by the media!]."

At this rate expect them soon to say with a straight face, "And remember, Nifong was a Republican."

9/10/07 7:53 PM
Penny said...
Hey, Gary, I'm not pretending to diagnosis Nifong in a clinical setting, get real.

Someone asked for a stab at what's wrong with the guy. I gave it.

Psych disorders don't require x-rays or lab values for validation. Psych is behavioral, the observation of a pattern of behavior. Nifong has supplied a pattern both verbally and in his actions for the past year. I doubt you'd find many people to defend that he isn't an anti-social.

Your last sentence is ridiculous. Whatever your problem with nurses in general doesn't belong here.

9/10/07 8:14 PM
Anonymous said...
Gary Packwood said...
Brant Jones 7:39 said...

...After several failed attempts at identification, how did CGM just happen to pick three of the richest players on the team? Was she coached on selecting these in order to facilitate a healthy settlement from the players who would fear a he said/ she said trial?
::
Brant asks a key question I believe if we are ever to understand the extent that Duke faculty and students were directly and indirectly involved in moving the hoax forward.
::
GP

9/10/07 9:25 AM

=====================================================================
This a great point. Someone (?a lawyer) was able to find out about these 3 guys. You are right its unlikely these 3 were chosen by accident.

9/11/07 12:29 AM
Debrah said...
To RRH--

KC liked the Marcus column.

To highlight it in such a way means he agrees with what was said.

Ha!

Who would have imagined? Old disgruntled Horwitz was right.

9/11/07 12:32 AM
Anonymous said...
Penny said...
Hey, Gary, I'm not pretending to diagnosis Nifong in a clinical setting, get real.

Someone asked for a stab at what's wrong with the guy. I gave it.

Psych disorders don't require x-rays or lab values for validation. Psych is behavioral, the observation of a pattern of behavior. Nifong has supplied a pattern both verbally and in his actions for the past year. I doubt you'd find many people to defend that he isn't an anti-social.

Your last sentence is ridiculous. Whatever your problem with nurses in general doesn't belong here.

9/10/07 8:14 PM

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Who knows? But the psych field tends to overlabel everybody.

What about "unethical jackass"? No matter what personality d/o he has: he wasnt bright enough to get into Duke, is a liar, and is unethical.

9/11/07 12:33 AM
Anonymous said...
debrah,

what are you saying Horwitz was right about?

RRH

9/11/07 12:36 AM
Debrah said...
TO RRH--

That KC was not exactly as I had envisioned.

The rushing toward a column and the things said by Marcus?

Not what I expected.

9/11/07 12:46 AM
Anonymous said...
ah ok.

KC is a product of his environment. Smarter than most of them, but not able to escape the facts that he was (1) born in Massachusetts, (2)to public school teacher parents, and now (3)is a university professor (4) in Brooklyn. Do any of those four give a turn of mind that would lead KC to challenge the underlying assumptions (sometimes called "the metanarrative") that gave rise to the Lacrosse Hoax?

RRH

9/11/07 12:51 AM
Anonymous said...
The metanarrative did not give rise to the hoax.

What gave rise to the hoax is whites' fears of black people, and blacks parlaying that realization into more AAAS and no prison for the whore.

Really, does anyone in the real world believe that whites gang-rape homely black women. The converse, of course, is a commonplace in America and Europe.

9/11/07 12:59 AM
Debrah said...
TO RRH--

I don't categorize people like that.

You don't think everyone in the northeast is a liberal do you?

They certainly are not.

And contrary to the grotesque stereotyping of the hapless clown Mr. Marcus, not everyone supporting the lacrosse players on this blog is a conservative.

How can I be a conservative? That man is crazy.

9/11/07 1:02 AM
Anonymous said...
skip to main | skip to sidebar Durham-in-Wonderland
Comments and analysis about the Duke/Nifong case.

Monday, September 10, 2007
Unanswered Questions


As the blog winds down, I thought it might be interesting to turn to questions that remain unanswered in the case. It��s possible that information on some of these matters will come to light, especially if a criminal investigation occurs. I suspect, however, that the questions about Duke will never be answered.

Durham D.A��s Office

1.) It came out during the Mike Nifong ethics hearing that the ex-DA was planning to prosecute the case alongside ADA Tracey Cline (who still works for the office). How many conversations did Cline and Nifong have about the lacrosse case��and how much support did Cline provide for Nifong��s efforts?

2.) Why did Nifong��who had to have known that he needed a biased judge to get the case to trial��consent to the appointment of Judge Smith, who (unlike, say, Judge Ron Stephens) he couldn��t be sure would always rule in his favor?

3.) Did��as some defense attorneys believed��Stephens and Nifong have ex parte conversations about the case before the first two indictments?

4.) What sort of conversations occurred between Nifong and Linwood Wilson in the days before the Dec. 21 ��interview,�� in which Wilson and Mangum produced a wholly new version of events, one that minimized the importance of DNA?

Durham Police Department

1.) Just how did Sgt. Mark Gottlieb manage to wrest control of the case on March 14-March 15��and why did his superiors, who had been alerted of his abusive behavior toward Duke students, not assign someone else to head up the investigation?

2.) What, precisely, did Gottlieb tell the grand jury on April 17, 2006?


3.) Who ordered or authorized Cpl. David Addison to go on his March 24-March 26 slander spree, when he asserted, among other things, ��You are looking at one victim brutally raped. If that was someone else��s daughter, child, I don��t think 46 (tests) would be a large enough number to figure out exactly who did it��; ��Addison said police approached the lacrosse team with the five-page search warrant on March 16, but that all of the members refused to cooperate with the investigation��; There is ��really, really strong physical evidence��; and ��We��re not saying that all 46 were involved. But we do know that some of the players inside that house on that evening knew what transpired and we need them to come forward.��

4.) How involved was Deputy Chief Ron Hodge in the pre-indictment investigation; and what was the basis for his April 11, 2006 remark to MSNBC that ��I don��t think we would be here if it wasn't (a strong case)��?

5.) Why, exactly, did Police Chief Steve Chalmers decide to totally absent himself from departmental affairs (with the odd rationalization that he had to look after his mother, who lived in Durham, hardly someplace inaccessible) during the highest-profile investigation in his department��s history; and why did City Manager Patrick Baker allow Chalmers to do so?

Duke

1.) Did President Brodhead clear with the University Counsel��s office his summer 2006 response to Friends of Duke, in which he asserted that a trial would present an opportunity ��for our students to be proved innocent��?

2.) President Brodhead met with a delegation of African-American Studies faculty on April 3, 2006. If he could do things over again, would he have urged them to be sure that the Group of 88��s statement at least paid lip service to principles of due process?

3.) Why, even though he had been informed of in-class harassment of lacrosse players at an April 6, 2006 meeting with coaches, did neither President Brodhead nor anyone in his administration interview any of the lacrosse players to determine the truth of the issue?

4.) It has been widely rumored that multiple drafts of the Group of 88's ad exist, and that the Chronicle required some items to be toned down before printing the document. What was the language of the ad, as originally drafted by Wahneema Lubiano? And what evidence did Lubiano present to the Chronicle to substantiate the assertion that the ad received formal endorsement from five Duke academic departments?

5.) What, precisely, was the relationship between the Duke and Durham police forces between March 24, 2006 and early April 2006? We know now that at least two (previously unannounced) meetings between representatives of the two forces occurred.

6.) Why did her superiors at the Duke University Medical Center not doublecheck SANE nurse-in-training Tara Levicy��s work once it became clear that she was an incompetent ideologue? And what transpired at the June 2006 meeting between Nifong, Levicy, and Levicy��s supervisor, Teresa Arico��for which no notes were ever produced?

Crystal Mangum

What, precisely, was Mangum��s relationship with NCCU? How many courses had she really taken? Was she ever really a full-time student?

[And, picking up on the suggestion in the comment thread, I invite people to submit their own unanswered questions; will post the better ones later this week.]



Posted by KC Johnson at 12:01 AM

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156 comments:
Anonymous said...
I don't know if you have seen this but here is an interesting summary of the situation revealed in the Duke Hoax. An excellent read.
http://globalpolitician.com/articledes.asp?ID=3364&cid=1&sid=104

9/10/07 12:07 AM
Anonymous said...
Phenix City, Alabama. Durham, North Carolina. Decades apart, is the corruption just as deep. When will the federal prosecutors do their job and launch a criminal investigation of the city of Durham and the Durham police department?

9/10/07 12:12 AM
Anonymous said...
KC, if we're going to have an "Unanswered Questions" period, how about one for all us commenters -- We have far more than you do. :)

9/10/07 12:14 AM
Anonymous said...
How about what did Himan tell his grand jury?

9/10/07 12:16 AM
Jim in San Diego said...
Other unanswered questions:

1. Durham local government, local media, and other community leaders (NAACP, school leaders): why did no one make any attempt to inform the electorate that due process required that defendants be presumed innocent until proven guilty, and not the other way around? Or, that the purpose of a trial is not to give an accuser a chance to tell her story, or have the defendants prove their innocence?

2. Durham Judges: What were judges Ron Stevens and Marsha Morey doing cheerleading for Mike Niphong at and after his criminal contempt conviction? And, is it commonly understood by Durham judges that it is important for attorneys to be candid in court at trial, but not before?

9/10/07 12:33 AM
Anonymous said...
Crystal's children - where are her kids. If she had mental problems substantial enough so she could not be indicted, is the state of NC allowing her to keep her kids???

9/10/07 12:38 AM
Anonymous said...
JLS says....,

I have an answer to some and a bunch more of such questions.

The answer first. What was said to the grand juries was that Mangum said she was raped and she IDed Finnerty and Seligmann and she was pretty sure of Evans and he was connected to her by DNA. That is plenty for an indictment. Nifong did not have to have any official lie for an indictment.

Now one to other questions:

1. Why did the Durham access intake nurse suggest to Mangum she was raped? Did this nurse know Mangum was a nut job and want to pass her on to someone else? Or is the a common part of the intake process?

2. What is Mangum's relationship if any to previous NC NAACP leaders of the same last name? Is she related to past or current movers and shakers in the NC NAACP and did that cause the NC NAACP to become so anti-defendants rights in this case?

3. Why was Mangum given such a sweetheart plea bargain when when she previoulsy ran afould with the law and was originally charged with things like assaut and attempted murder of a police officer? Is this related to question 2?

4. Why was Judge Stephens so interested the security of Mangum's phone? Was this a general worry that Durham officials might have their numbers on that phone or was he trying to protect someone in particular?

5. What was on the DPD police radio tape the night and early morning of the incident that required that it be erased despite or maybe with the assistance of Stephens nod and wink order that it be preserved that did nothing to preserve it.

6. What did Duke do internally to penalize or at least warn its faculty to stop grade retaliation?

7. How much has Duke paid in settlements so far?

I doubt many people even read this far in my post. I could go on and on with questions that are so far unanswered about this mess.

9/10/07 12:39 AM
Anonymous said...
How many times did Nofing meet with CGM off the record, when, and what was discussed?

Did the DPD and/or someone in the DAs office coerce or coach CGM to make an ID in the taped session?

In Durham, who is responsible for investigating alledged crimes and who is responsible for procescuting cases? Who is resonsible for justice and who is subject to checks and limits commonly understood to flow from constitutional protections?

Who autorized the destruction of tapes? What else has been destroyed?

9/10/07 12:43 AM
Jim in San Diego said...
Some additional questions:

3. Why was Kim's bail reduced when she changed her story from "its a crock" to "something might have happened?

4. Why was the cab driver witness prosecuted over old, dubious allegations, when he would not change his story supporting the player's alibi?

9/10/07 12:51 AM
Anonymous said...
12:43 -- PD's tape reuse policy recycles tapes every 60 days unless the tape is pulled for longer retention. PD claimed, through Nifong, that by the time the official court order was issued on 5/18 -- they tape(s) had already been recycled/written over.

The defense motion asking for the retention of the tapes was filed in late April or early May -- either Nifong/Stephens didn't read and pass the request along to PD in time or ....

9/10/07 12:54 AM
Anonymous said...
12:43 -- PD's tape reuse policy recycles tapes every 60 days unless the tape is pulled for longer retention. PD claimed, through Nifong, that by the time the official court order was issued on 5/18 -- they tape(s) had already been recycled/written over.

The defense motion asking for the retention of the tapes was filed in late April or early May -- either Nifong/Stephens didn't read and pass the request along to PD in time or ....

9/10/07 12:54 AM
Anonymous said...
TEST

9/10/07 1:15 AM
Anonymous said...
QUESTION: Who was responsible for the "sting" e-mail? This was the e-mail that appeared to originate from the account of one of the players, and "informed" his teammates that he was sick of "covering up" and would be going to the police to tell them who was responsible for the "crime".

Of course, since there was no "crime" committed by the players, there was no one who panicked and said "We'd better get him before he gets us!" I'm sure whoever the Einstein was that sent the "sting" e-mail thought he/she was being all clever like the TV detectives and when someone rushed to the police to tell them "John Smith is lying! *He's* the one that did it, not me!" the police would say "A-ha! John Smith didn't say anything to us! But *you* just identified yourself as who John Smith *would* name!" Probably the thought never crossed this Barney Fife's mind that if the players really *had* committed a violent gang rape that they'd be capable of other violent crimes as well, and that if John Smith ended up beaten or killed, the clever Dick (no pun intended) who sent the false message would be responsible.

So... it might not be possible to determine for certain the individual who was at the keyboard composing the false message. But if the message could be verified to have been sent *from that account*, rather than just forged to look like it come from that account, the possible senders diminish in number...

9/10/07 1:19 AM
Anonymous said...
As a student of various intelligence scandals and coverups I am surprised by the number of people who are stunned by Mike Nifong's behavior -- he's not exactly the only rotten apple in the U.S.A.'s criminal justice system!! From a macro perspective, one has to remember there are presently two million Americans in prison at any given moment and another two million, who, if this were Switzerland, would be picked up and put back in jail. If, for a moment, you think this entire apparatus runs in an efficient, orderly, uniform, predictable way -- you are dreaming. The prison system alone is a total nightmare, a cesspool of HIV, Hep-C, gangs and rape.
Also, the average American's notion of his "right to a fair trial" has to be one of the most laughable concepts around:"fair" as long as the defendant has as many or more legal poker chips than the state, since the state is allowed to spend a relatively infinite amount of resources to convict Y-O-U.

9/10/07 1:30 AM
Anonymous said...
12:07 --

The Global Politician article is actually a rather poor read. Before even the first sub-heading it's littered with some very blatant errors:
* claims that Pittman and Mangum actually shopped together at the Kroger's supermarket after leaving the party (Mangum was feigning unconsciousness in Pittman's car, not toodling up and down aisles)
* claims that Pittman and Mangum "decided to organize a scam against 'the white boys'" during their grocery shopping (which makes no sense, since if true Pittman would have been trying to support Mangum's account, not call it a "crock")
* "Mangum claimed 20 men raped her. Then she claimed it was two. Then three. Then five. Then she left Kroger." (Mangum did not make any claims of being raped to anyone at Kroger. She did not claim she had been raped at all until a nurse at Durham Access suggested it to her, and Durham Access is where she was taken from Kroger.)
* "Several days later, Mangum emailed a public relations firm to see how she can spin the claims to her further advantage." (If the rest of the article wasn't so error-ridden, I might give it the benefit of the doubt. However, given the writer's clear propensity to jumble facts, I have no doubt that he is mixing up Mangum with Pittman here, since Pittman notoriously e-mailed the New York public relations firm that handles "Li'l Kim", asking them "how to spin this to my advantage.")

In summary, this article may be more favorably disposed towards the players than the infamous Duff Wilson hackjob, but that doesn't stop it from actually being a worse article.

9/10/07 1:37 AM
Anonymous said...
PD's tape reuse policy recycles tapes every 60 days unless the tape is pulled for longer retention.

Even if the tape was reused, can't taped-over recordings still be recovered?

Also, I'd like to know how many tapes have to be recycled to save enough money to pay the settlement for the civil lawsuits being brought against DPD.

9/10/07 1:47 AM
Anonymous said...
What prior relationship do these 2 women have with the DPD? I always had the feeling, for 2 lawbreakers, they were fairly comfortable with the DPD.

Why was that Nartey guy not appropriately punished? (setting aside the race issue--he threatened a child!) Where was the local child rights types? Why no outrage or anger?

Why was Coach K (the most famous and respected guy at Duke)not utilized in some useful fashion?

Regarding the Gang of 88: how many are stupid and how many are just evil?

Why is Dr Meehan still in business? How can anything from his lab be trusted?

Does Brodhead know his career is finished? That when he dies even the NYT will be pretty rough on him in the obits?

Who else in the DAs office helped with this case? Why are they so quiet?

Why didnt a young AA lawyer with political aspirations take the right side in this case>? In the long run, he would have a great shot at all sorts of political offices (kind of like Adenaur in Germany after WW20--> one of the few untainted by the prior evil leadership.

Finally, why does Durham and Duke seem to have more low character/useless people per capita than any place in America (im not including liestoppers, this blog, the car driver,etc.

ALLIE

9/10/07 2:23 AM
Anonymous said...
The Duke Law School web page lists over 150 faculty... other than Prof. Coleman, where were these legal scholars when President Broadhead was looking forward to his students having the opportunity to prove their innocence?



-RD

9/10/07 2:24 AM
rrhamilton said...

Anonymous said...
As a student of various intelligence scandals and coverups I am surprised by the number of people who are stunned by Mike Nifong's behavior -- he's not exactly the only rotten apple in the U.S.A.'s criminal justice system!! From a macro perspective, one has to remember there are presently two million Americans in prison at any given moment and another two million, who, if this were Switzerland, would be picked up and put back in jail. If, for a moment, you think this entire apparatus runs in an efficient, orderly, uniform, predictable way -- you are dreaming. The prison system alone is a total nightmare, a cesspool of HIV, Hep-C, gangs and rape.
Also, the average American's notion of his "right to a fair trial" has to be one of the most laughable concepts around:"fair" as long as the defendant has as many or more legal poker chips than the state, since the state is allowed to spend a relatively infinite amount of resources to convict Y-O-U.

9/10/07 1:30 AM

Again we have someone pimping the 88ers' new case metanarrative: The American justice system is corrupt; only the rich can get off.

People, you did not fall for the 88ers old metanarrative (the one positing a history of white men as feral beasts drooling at the sight of black women). Do not fall for this new bullshit. The problem isn't with the American justice system, it's with the old metanarrative.

9/10/07 2:35 AM
Anonymous said...
JLS says....,

I have an answer to some and a bunch more of such questions.

The answer first. What was said to the grand juries was that Mangum said she was raped and she IDed Finnerty and Seligmann and she was pretty sure of Evans and he was connected to her by DNA. That is plenty for an indictment. Nifong did not have to have any official lie for an indictment.

Now one to other questions:

1. Why did the Durham access intake nurse suggest to Mangum she was raped? ...

7. How much has Duke paid in settlements so far?

I doubt many people even read this far in my post. I could go on and on with questions that are so far unanswered about this mess.

9/10/07 12:39 AM


JLS, I read that far, but I can only give an answer to the first question. I too would like to hear the answer to the 7th.

As to the first, my impression is that the SANE nurse was trying to conduct a by-the-book examination. Because of CGM's inability to give a narrative response to a question such as, "What happened tonight?", the nurse finally fell back on "yes/no" questions and so asked, "Were you raped?"

CGM heard the magic, get out of jail free words, and said "Yes". The rest is history.

RRH

9/10/07 2:43 AM
Cedarford said...
A few extras for you KC, but 1st, let me say you did a magnificent job, not just in helping the accused and their lawyers with near-daily analysis and uncovery of info, not just in putting the spotlight on people now facing litigation, but in highlighting a faculty problem now about as well-known and understood as the Larry Summers or Ward Churchill cases.
Grade retaliation, hated students so much they filed for a change of venue based on prejudiced profs? Geeez, how did these people get tenure? How did the ringleader not only get tenure but be a Department head and chairing tenure committees when she never published! And each one of the 88 is something else, and not in a good way...

9/10/07 3:21 AM
haskell said...
During their time in Purgatory, the lacrosse team kept a list of those antagonistic towards them. So ... who is on the Grail list and in what order?

9/10/07 3:35 AM
Anonymous said...
What were the dimensions of the bathroom at the house the party was held in?
What happened to the money found at the house?

9/10/07 3:48 AM
Anonymous said...
What did the so-called leadership in the black community know about Mangum? Chalmers "recused" himself, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton either left town or avoided further comment. People in positions of responsibility knew about Mangum's past and personality. What did they know? This whole affair has aspects of a Zen koan somewhat like the sound of one hand clapping . . . all the evil has been applied to the young men of the lacrosse team . . . and in reality the evil is in the missing hand . . . there is the evil in the Group of 88, Nifong, and their assemblege of enablers in this hoax. The lacrosse team is very special in the light of the monsters they have had to face down.

9/10/07 4:17 AM
Cedarford said...
Now my little list:

1. Have attorneys ID'd people photographed with the "castrate" poster? I'd like their names published. Not for really for lawsuits, but for public shame, as this case wraps up.

2. The Authors of the Vigilante Poster. Duke students and employees, or outsiders? Sam Hummel? Sebring? Were Duke parties involved part of the Duke Settlement?

3. Little has been said about litigation of other players. Especially Ryan MacFayden, who might have been the most demonized of the players - for the public release of his private email by DPD. After Duke PD got all private student emails & handed it over to DPD w/o warrant or NTO authorization or a zealous Duke employee did. And he refused to make a false witness statement under that blackmail threat. Who in DPD was in on the blackmail threat and was the judge a patsy?
Know anything about litigation by players other than the 3, against Duke and City of Durham, KC?

4. Wendy Murphy. Because she claimed to be talking in an official capacity as a law professor representing New England School of Law in her various media rants, and because she regularly wrote defamatory statements on the Federal goverment supported website (via CDC) National Sexual Violence Policy Centers - Murphy's current defense that she is just a pundit paid to say provocative things on TV simply for entertainment value, and not just the Duke case, seems very weak.

She did her campaign of defamation at a NGO using Federal funds, she represented herself as a law professor giving expert opinion in the Duke case, and demonstrably lied on several occasions.

It is daunting for the slandered and libeled to sue a newspaper or media conglomerate with tons of money and huge legal resources and threat of 1st Amendment fights taking 10 years to go through courts.... Tough to make the Herald Sun, NY Times, Nancy Grace Show producers under Time-Warners lawyers pay - though they deserve to.
But Murphy is low-hanging fruit. She is an independent contractor to the media, not an employee, doing multiple shows for an appearance fee. No deep pockets lawyers protect her.
It would be nice to see at least one media talking head slimeball pay as a warning shot to all the media that they are not immune when they meddle in justice and due process.
Thoughts?

5. Is there any talk of a review of the Hardin-Nifong-DPD-Judge Stevens cabal being investigated for possible past acts of railroading and civil rights violations?
Seems the Feds have grounds to come in..

9/10/07 4:20 AM
Roboguy said...
Question - Duke made the effort to crack down on campus drinking and immature behavior and then provided off campus rental houses to students which resulted in defacto "Frat Houses" which were unregulated and unsupervised. How does the DPD feel about Duke outsourcing their issues with student drinking to the Durham community? Will Duke take back it's responsibility in this area?

9/10/07 5:14 AM
Anonymous said...
Is it possible for Brodhead to get a spine transplant?

9/10/07 6:32 AM
Anonymous said...
Has anyone contacted Lin Wood to pursue litigation regarding media statements? (I, too, am particularly thinking of Wendy Murphy and Nancy Grace.)

Where DID the "sting" email come from.

Who was responsible for the Vigilante poster?

9/10/07 6:33 AM
Anonymous said...
I read somewhere that Nifong had a relationship with Crystal's family. What was his relationship with her? She is being protected far too much in this case...why?

9/10/07 6:34 AM
Anonymous said...
If universities like Duke feel they have issues/problems with underage and binge drinking, loud parties, poor driving, etc. -- what are they doing about it other than outsourcing as 5:14 describes?

9/10/07 6:37 AM
Anonymous said...
Is Levicy a Communist?

9/10/07 6:44 AM
bill anderson said...
Did the DPD, Michael Nifong's DA's office, or DUMC use ANY federal funds via the Violence Against Women Act in conjunction with any aspect of this case? If so, the feds do not have to look any farther for a hook on which to hang a criminal investigation.

9/10/07 6:59 AM
Anonymous said...
For Duke or Durham PD....How was the McFadyen e-mail obtained without a subpoena? We KNOW it did not come from the captains computers? It set off a firestorm even though there is nothing racial about it(crude yes) and Liefong already knew CM did not recognize him OR that there was any of his DNA anywhere! Gottleib does not say.

9/10/07 7:10 AM
mac said...
This one's been asked - (by me and lots of others) - but it deserves an answer: whose the DNA was on CGM's person? Whose "privacy" was Nifong protecting?

Second question: is CGM a narc?

Third question: will Crimestoppers - (and their posters) - be an issue here, in the case agaisnt Durrhh?

Fourth question: Where is Mr. Elmostafa? Has anyone interviewed him?

Fifth question: was Levicy asked to leave DUMC?

Sixth question: did Levicy's leaving have anything to do with Duke's (and presumably DUMC's) settlement with the accused?

Seventh question: how many of the other lacrosse players are going to sue (someone?)

Eighth question: what does it take for the Justice Dept. to step in?

9/10/07 7:14 AM
Anonymous said...
After several failed attempts at identification, how did CGM just happen to pick three of the richest players on the team? Was she coached on selecting these in order to facilitate a healthy settlement from the players who would fear a he said/ she said trial?

Brant Jones

9/10/07 7:39 AM
Anonymous said...
At the risk of beating a dead horse, let me once more urge all North Carolinians to write to your State representatives and senators urging them to amend the grand jury law that is on the books now and which allowed Nifong's minions to get indictments in a case with ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE THAT A CRIME HAD EVEN BEEN COMMITTED! I have written to Marc Basnight, President Pro Tem or the NC Senate, but he replied with a "thanks for your interesting opinion, but I'm not going to do anything about the problem." This weakness in the state law is the main point exploited by Gottlieb and Himan and lord knows how many other crooked cops. Force the issue, folks! Write! Call! Visit!

9/10/07 7:40 AM
Anonymous said...
ABout KC's Chronicle ad questions, maybe one of KC's Duke connections could help out here. Couldn't somebody connected with Duke call the Chronicle and ask what the procedures are for submitting that kind of ad? Shouldn't the newspaper have some kind of form or something that would have asked Lubiano to support her claim about the endorsements?

And same thing with original drafts. If rumor's right and Chronicle said tone it down shouldn't there be some kind of record at the newspaper that somebody who is a Dukie could get at, or at least ask about?

If nothing else a question about standard procedures for acceptance of ad content would help us have more than rumors.

How about it folks? Especially those of you at Duke that care about what happened and support KC's efforts. Throw some help KC's way. He shouldn't have to do everything.

9/10/07 7:52 AM
jim2 said...
The "erased tapes" - will some one eventually come forward with a different version of what happnened?

If so, that could lead to additional criminal charges.

9/10/07 8:05 AM
Anonymous said...
My one disappointment with the book was there were no pictures, plans or other descriptions of the bathroom. It is my expectation that the room is just too small for the alleged activity, but I have never seen an accurate description.--buddy

9/10/07 8:08 AM
Anonymous said...
Roboguy at 5:14--your general question about "outsourcing" is relevant. But to be clear, Duke did not "provide" offcampus housing to students.

The university actually requires students to live on campus for three years (with some exceptions for second semester juniors returning from study abroad); many students move off campus senior year, but they are not required, or even encouraged, to by Duke.

The lacrosse house and other houses owned by Duke were never rented by Duke to students; instead they were purchased in order to rehab and resell them to owner-occupiers who were not students, but families. However, Duke bought the properties subject to existing lease agreements, which were with students.

9/10/07 8:10 AM
Anonymous said...
KC,

Have you interviewed Freda Black?

9/10/07 8:20 AM
Anonymous said...
A lot of the questions about Duke faculty and administration actions would be answered if some enterprising whistleblower on the Duke IT staff were to excavate a batch of emails from their servers.

This is the sort of stuff that would have come out in discovery had the university gone to trial in a civil suit. You can draw some conclusions about how damning it is by the speed with which Duke settled.

9/10/07 8:30 AM
Anonymous said...
I have a question:
Why are there so many unanswered questions in this matter?

9/10/07 8:36 AM
Anonymous said...
What is Duke's policy on their network and computers? I would assume McFayden computer was his own, but would also assume that the network and servers used for connection were Duke's. So -- would Duke claim the right to give LE that email without a supoena as it was on their network and their server? This is the rule I work under at my company....no right to computer privacy -- it's their computer, their network, etc.

9/10/07 8:44 AM
Penny said...
1. Why did the Durham access intake nurse suggest to Mangum she was raped? Did this nurse know Mangum was a nut job and want to pass her on to someone else? Or is the a common part of the intake process?

I am a psych nurse that has worked many years in various Crisis/Intake units. It is NOT a a direct question I would ask unless the client indicated to me that they had a specific physical trauma that needed to be immediately medically addressed. If clients don't state they were raped as a chief complaint in their initial explanation of why they are there, the events surrounding their coming to the unit, it would be totally inappropriate to ask. You do not give often unreliable and manipulative psych clients suggestions. It's improper interviewing.

Both nurses in this sordid saga were sub-standard clinicians in my opinion. I can't figure out how Tara Levicy was able to operate with so much autonomy. Before I ever spoke with police, I would have accessed the doctor and probably the administration to review all clinical records and opinions.

Tara Levicy should no longer have a nursing license. She violated nursing ethics. The other nurse was just stupid, most likely poorly trained.

9/10/07 8:49 AM
another.anon said...
What was on Mangum's cell phone that the judge was covering up?

9/10/07 8:55 AM
Anonymous said...
JC, many thanks for the great blog. As it winds down, I want to say how much I appreciated your coverage. As a taxpaying citizen of Durham, I have a lot of questions for the candidates in the upcoming elections, thanks to your excellent blog. Fare thee well.

Walt, in Durham

9/10/07 8:59 AM
Anonymous said...
Here's my question: Will Tom Hanks be cast as K.C. in the UPI movie?

9/10/07 9:24 AM
Gary Packwood said...
Brant Jones 7:39 said...

...After several failed attempts at identification, how did CGM just happen to pick three of the richest players on the team? Was she coached on selecting these in order to facilitate a healthy settlement from the players who would fear a he said/ she said trial?
::
Brant asks a key question I believe if we are ever to understand the extent that Duke faculty and students were directly and indirectly involved in moving the hoax forward.
::
GP

9/10/07 9:25 AM
Anonymous said...
Did anyone in the Durham D.A's Office ever have any doubts about Nifong's actions. I can't believe he was able to maintain a total vacuum around the case. I would presume there was some "shop" talk between ADA's, paralegals and admistrative folks. One would think at least a few people asked Nifong a probing question or two.

9/10/07 9:32 AM
GPrestonian said...
Durham D.A��s Office:

What sort of conversations occurred between Nifong, Linwood, and DPD about the arrest of Elmostafa, & between Nifong and Ashley Cannon regarding the prosecution of Elmostafa?

9/10/07 9:37 AM
Ralph Phelan said...
How much money did the City of Durham, County of Durham and State of North Carolina respectively spend on room, board and other support for Crystal Mangum?

What is their usual policy and practice with regards to supporting witnesses?

9/10/07 9:38 AM
Ralph Phelan said...
"Why, exactly, did Police Chief Steve Chalmers decide to totally absent himself from departmental affairs ... during the highest-profile investigation in his department��s history; and why did City Manager Patrick Baker allow Chalmers to do so?"

One theory is that Chalmers was smart enough to realize the whose thing was a bad idea wanted to keep his hands off it, and Baker didn't want to risk him blowing the game if forced to participate against his will.

9/10/07 9:41 AM
Gary Packwood said...
The Duke University Senior Administrative Job Performance System

Duke uses a 360o and anonymous job performance system for senior administrators whereby a persons continued employment is based on what anonymous faculty, staff and students have to say about their job performance.

Is this job performance system itself a key reason that Broadhead and his senior staff never took action to end the hoax?
::
GP

9/10/07 9:43 AM
Ralph Phelan said...
How much did the City & County of Durham and the State of North Carolina pay to house, feed and otherwise support Crystal Mangum.

How does this amount and her treatment in general compare to policies in place and to the way other witnesses have been treated?

9/10/07 9:51 AM
Anonymous said...
How in the hell can Duke continue to employ Kim Curtis? She is a complete disgrace.

9/10/07 9:52 AM
Ralph Phelan said...
Anonymous 9/10/07 9:52 AM
said...
"How in the hell can Duke continue to employ Kim Curtis? She is a complete disgrace."

Many of the "questions" I'm seeing are in fact just expressions of disgust.

Let's try to stick to actual attempts to gain detailed information about facts and events, rather than more general questions about the nature of evil that have are unanswerable in any manner comprehensible to a sane and moral mind.

9/10/07 9:58 AM
Anonymous said...
I have wondered why it tool so long to get from 610 Buchanan to the Kroger store? What happened during that time?

9/10/07 9:59 AM
Anonymous said...
My nagging question: What on earth would possess any parent to commit $40K or $50K a year to send their kid to Duke after what's been revealed about that cesspool? The core of the problem is Americans have been brainwashed to believe that everybody should get a college education. Face it, people, there are a helluva lot of kids who can't be educated beyond their limited intellect, and a student attending the likes of Duke is vulnerable to the evil perpetrated by the Group of 88 and their enablers. Think about it.

9/10/07 10:00 AM
inman said...
The lacrosse team paid Mangum & Roberts $800 for 2 hours of dancing. Mangum & Roberts danced for four minutes, so all they earned was $26.67.

My question:

Did the lacrosse team get their $773.33 refund?

9/10/07 10:07 AM
KC Johnson said...
Let me echo Ralph P's point--some of these questions are very interesting ones indeed.

9/10/07 10:09 AM
Anonymous said...
What members of Durham police and DA were involved with Crystal in her previous conviction and her relative's murder case? Were these same people involved also in Duke Hoax?

9/10/07 10:10 AM
inman said...
On a more serious note...

Brodhead made this statement in his August interview with 60 Minutes:

"The facts kept changing. Every day we learned new things that no one knew the day before. Every day we were being urged to speak with certainty about facts that were full of great uncertainty at that point." (amphasis added)

Who was 'urging' Brodhead to speak and what was the nature of that 'urging'? Was there any written communication or e-mails that memorialized that urging? And if so, were any of the faculty or other administration officials consulted by or about those who urged Brodhead to speak with certainty?

9/10/07 10:14 AM
Anonymous said...
Why didn't the DPD plant evidence in the case?

Although I am not a lawyer, it seems to me that it is more convicing to a jury to have hard evidence, and once the evidence is planted, it is impossible to prove that it is not authentic.

9/10/07 10:17 AM
Carolyn said...
Who deliberately edited Ryan's email?

The sole reason for releasing his email was because the case had just collapsed due to the lab finding NO DNA of any of the LAX players on Crystal. The email re-ignited the case by tricking the media and the world into mistakenly thinking a sexual assault had taken place. But the only way Ryan's email could do that would be if it was FIRST twisted around with important parts erased, things taken out of context, etc.

Thus, whomever edited the email committed fraud, perjury and assault on Ryan (and by extension, Reade, Dave and Collin).

So, who edited Ryan's email?

9/10/07 10:18 AM
Anonymous said...
What exactly is CGM's relationship with the Durham Police Department?

I read earlier (either Liestoppers or FR) that when Crystal was picked up and taken to Duke Access one of the policemen said over the police radio that he was going to drive by Crystal's house and check on the little ones.

As another poster asked, is she a narc? or is the Durham PD still running that prostitution ring?

9/10/07 10:29 AM
miramar said...
KC, you ask, "What, precisely, was Mangum��s relationship with NCCU? How many courses had she really taken? Was she ever really a full-time student?"

I have always found it interesting that then-NCCU President Ammons kept a very diplomatic silence throughout the proceedings, which suggests to me that he knew that CGM was not all she was made out to be. After all, if she was not enrolled (which I don't know how she could be if she was coming home at 6:00 AM after her gigs), the administration would have figured that out after looking at her transcript online. So I would add to your question: If Ammons had additional information on CGM, which I suspect he did, did he inform Brodhead about it? They certainly had a number of meetings, so there would have been ample opportunity for them to discuss CGM.

9/10/07 10:30 AM
Anonymous said...
"...the ad received formal endorsement from five Duke academic departments."

What steps has Duke as an institution (rather than KC and others privately) taken (a) to determine whether the faculty departments in question in fact endorsed the ad in accordance with department procedure, (b) if not, to determine if individual faculty members knowingly used the name of the concerned department(s) without proper authorization, (c) to determine whether department funds were used to pay for the ad and, if so, was that in accordance with applicable Duke procedures, (d) to determine if publication of the ad, whether or not properly authorized and funded, was consistent with applicable Duke procedures and the obligation to protect the interest of students, (e) determine if any Duke faculty member engaged in misconduct with respect to the treatment of lacrosse team members or their supporters in class or in grades, (f) if improper conduct occurred, to seek to prevent such conduct from occurring in the future and (g) if improper conduct occurred, to hold the individuals and departments engaged in that conduct publicly accountable for their misconduct.

Unless I am mistaken, this is not a set of issues that lies solely within the province of the departments concerned and their faculty - it is within the competence of the faculty of Duke generally and the Duke Administration as well.

BTW, is there a formal grievance process that can be triggered by an individual (faculty or student)?

9/10/07 10:31 AM
Debrah said...
KC,

Have you interviewed Freda Black?


Please. No more seasoned cronies--former or present--from the Durham district attorney's office for the public to endure.

Although Black would have been far and away a better choice than Mikey.....she's no prize.

What would she have to offer?

That she was very upset when Mikey fired her?

That she will be running for DA soon?

That she is dismayed by what Mikey did to Durham's reputation?

Who cares? These refugees from the (Jim Hardin DA days) are basically from the same mold. They couldn't practice in Durham, otherwise.

9/10/07 10:39 AM
Debrah said...
I have wondered why it took so long to get from 610 Buchanan to the Kroger store? What happened during that time?

Well......Kim Roberts had to take the time to concoct a phony racial slur incident outside the house by calling the DPD.

Then she had to convince a drugged-out Mangum to stay in the car so they could get away with keeping all the money...while faking injury from "racial taunts" which Roberts, herself, instigated.

Next, Roberts had to placate Mangum as she begged to be bruised and beaten. HIt me!.....she reportedly implored Roberts.

This was a scam from the start which snowballed to suit these two women who were out to make some easy money off the streets.

It's just as one of Mangum's former employers opined...(to paraphrase)....What happened to the lacrosse players that night could have happened to any other man out there. They just had the bad luck.

9/10/07 10:50 AM
Anonymous said...
KC:

It seems the more questions that get answered, the more questions that arise.

I believe one thing is apparent. The frame-up was conducted with the cooperation of the DPD, the city fathers, the Duke administration, certain district judges and the media. The breadth of it is stupifying.

The single most important question (that will be answered soon) is : what will the City of Durham do?

With the mindset that permeates this community, it is my belief that they will admit nothing and will fight the lawsuit until the bitter end. I could be wrong but the PC disease that afflicts Durham hasn't been addressed.

in retrospect, its not the frameup that defies logic. Its the total community denial of what happened that is mindboggling.



Ken
Dallas

9/10/07 10:58 AM
Penny said...
Here's a question in line with my earlier statement, why did the hospital administration allow Tara Levicy to be point person in this high profile case? Her continued egregiously unsubstantiated insistance that Magnum was raped to the police had to have come to light and should have had them combing the records and interviewing the attending doctor.

She should have been be put on leave or fired as soon as it became clear what she was doing.

9/10/07 10:58 AM
Debrah said...
I have always found it interesting that then-NCCU President Ammons kept a very diplomatic silence throughout the proceedings, which suggests to me that he knew that CGM was not all she was made out to be.

This is the unwritten and unspoken (for public consumption) code in the black community.

Anyone having the gall to say this is painting with a broad brush doesn't know much at all about the black community--no matter what socio-economic level.

And its one of the things that keeps this often self-segregated group marginalized in many social circles.

Who can have an authentic conversation when everyone else is expected not to discuss the reality of what occurs in our country everyday.

No one wants to come right out and say it. Our society has been conditioned to gloss over circumstances when the black community wants to play the victim role.

The lacrosse case brings this reality together into a nightmare/comedy presentation.

And on a national stage.

9/10/07 11:01 AM
Ralph Phelan said...
Anonymous 9/10/07 10:31 AM said...
"...the ad received formal endorsement from five Duke academic departments.

What steps has Duke as an institution ..."
That one's pretty easy. Nothing.

"BTW, is there a formal grievance process that can be triggered by an individual (faculty or student)?"
That's an interesting question.

I've already decided that Duke's professors are collectively a bunch of pussies.

But if there's some way professors could complain about departments signing ads in violation of written policy, or about miriam cooke disrupting a Horowitz speech in violation of written policy, and it hasn't been used, then every single professor at Duke is also individually themselves a pussy.

9/10/07 11:03 AM
xutag77 said...
Many of these questions ware making the assumption of a minimal level of compentence or fairness.

Many (most) actors in this case achieved neither.

With this view of the proceedings most of the questions become self answering.

For instance
"Why, even though he had been informed of in-class harassment of lacrosse players at an April 6, 2006 meeting with coaches, did neither President Brodhead nor anyone in his administration interview any of the lacrosse players to determine the truth of the issue?"

The answer is easy, Duke and Broadhead did not really want to determine the truth of the issue. Why? If they did they would have to do something about it. That would be a public relations and legal nightmare.

9/10/07 11:08 AM
Anonymous said...
Others have mentioned this, but: There is no doubt in my mind that Precious had a previous "relationship" with the Durham cops, which is the biggest and ugliest secret of this whole affair.

It explains so much: Why Durham cops would work so hard to pin a non-existent crime on whomever Precious named; why she wasn't seriously imprisoned for trying to run-over a Durham cop in a stolen taxicab; why nobody is interested in prosecuting her now; why no cops even call the childrens protection agencies to investigate her, when the NC Attorney General has told the world that her grip on reality is non-existent.

This is the big secret that makes this well-placed, well-used prostitute so radioactive. If she's put under pressure, law enforcement is terrified of what she might blurt out, or threaten to reveal.

But we'll never get to the bottom of what happened, and why, until the relationship between Crystal Gail Mangum and Durham police is completely laid bare.

For this to happen, somebody -- somewhere -- will have to show some genuine political courage and integrity. Until, then, any "investigation" is a joke.

9/10/07 11:13 AM
Debrah said...
I was flipping throught the N&O this morning. I think it was the Sunday paper since I haven't even looked at today's yet.

There was a photo of Mikey coming out of jail which I hadn't seen before. His mouth was turned downward in a scowl as Peterson and the other dizzingly goofy supporters huddled around him.

This man is indecent, no doubt, but I believe that he is definitely mentally ill. All joking aside, he has to be.

I think he should be closely monitored by someone in the media to see if he moves on to do further damage to someone else......even if it's flipping burgers.

We've all joked about this a lot, but look at Durham as a town. Who would sit back and pretend that Mikey is the only thing wrong there?

9/10/07 11:20 AM
no justice, no peace said...
KC the fact that your efforts have and will lead to additional inquiry speaks volumes of your work. It is incumbement upon us all to continue to peel away the onion.

I don't think it overstates the obvious to say that these are the "times that try men's soul" with the very dangerous cultural police that have infected the academy, the press, the government, etc.

We can do better, we must do better. We have seen the alternative and it is not acceptable.

��These are the times that try men��s souls: The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country; but he that stands it NOW, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.�� ��Thomas Paine

Your efforts are a roadmap on how and why we all should "stand(s) it NOW" and why you deserve "the love and thanks of man and woman".

9/10/07 11:22 AM
Michael said...
Regarding Addison, we did some analysis at Liestoppers and I think that we came to the conclusion that Lamb (don't remember his rank) probably had the most to do with Addison doing what he did.

9/10/07 11:33 AM
Debrah said...
I want to know how much information Mayor Bell and the rest of the Durham City Council had about this case from the start.

We all remember seeing Bell and a few council members sitting on a podium at the ridiculous NCCU forum in the beginning.

They tell city manager what to do. Each is in close contact with him, and he is always in close contact with the DPD.

All of these people remained so silent.

I believe they knew these charges had no basis. I also believe that some knew all about Mangum and her sordid history.

In Durham, the city council members (a few of them with the right melanin supply) are unusually chummy with the police chief.

One council member used to get free chauffer service from his predecessor...going back and forth to certain meetings and events.

They don't operate normally over there...and don't wish to.

9/10/07 11:39 AM
Anonymous said...
What happened to Crystal's shoe?

9/10/07 11:42 AM
Debrah said...
.....miriam cooke disrupting a Horowitz speech in violation of written policy.....

I thought that was the funny woman Diane Nelson who did that.

Was cooke involved as well?

9/10/07 11:44 AM
Ralph Phelan said...
xutag77 said...
"Many of these questions ware making the assumption of a minimal level of compentence or fairness.

Many (most) actors in this case achieved neither.

With this view of the proceedings most of the questions become self answering"

That's what I was trying to get at. Thanks for putting it better than I did.

Let's concentrate on the questions that remain after applying xutag77's assumptions.

In reflecting on my still-developing understanding of this case, there is only one guiding principle that has yet to let me down: "No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up."

9/10/07 11:53 AM
bill anderson said...
Ralph Phelan said...

How much did the City & County of Durham and the State of North Carolina pay to house, feed and otherwise support Crystal Mangum.

How does this amount and her treatment in general compare to policies in place and to the way other witnesses have been treated?
9/10/07 9:51 AM

I would say that it is almost a given that Durham used federal funds from the Violence Against Women Act to spend on Crystal. The government makes money available for "rape victims," and knowing Durham and Nifong, I would be pretty sure that they would have used that money instead of their own local funds.

This would not be hard to verify, and while I have not done any verification, logic tells me that they were using that money. If that is the case, then we have a situation in which officials (and Crystal) used federal money fraudulently, which is a serious felony. So, if Durham and Nifong did use VAWA funding in any way to promote or help the Hoax along, they are criminally vulnerable.

9/10/07 11:55 AM
Anonymous said...
I have some questions about the Gang of 88 ad in the Chronicle. I understand the ad received formal endorsement from five Duke academic departments. Who actually paid for the ad? Was it paid for by one of these departments with Duke University funds or was it paid for by one of the individual professors? If it was paid for with Duke funds, are there no rules covering University money expenditures???? Just wondering...

9/10/07 11:56 AM
Matthew said...
How could so many factions be so stupid? Why is it wrong in America to be white and work hard? Why does being white and "Privileged" make it ok to be brought up on rape charges and to go through hell?

9/10/07 12:05 PM
Anonymous said...
What was the level of cooperation between the Duke PR office and the Durham Herald-Sun in creating a public bias against the Duke lacrosse players?

As events unfolded, it appeared that the outrageously one-sided coverage of the Herald-Sun was Bob Ashley's way of placating his A-A readership.

But as more information came to light, it appears as though there was a coordinated effort between the Herald-Sun and the Duke PR department to smear the lacrosse players. In particular, the near simultaneous announcements emanating from Duke alum Ashley's H-S, and the offices of Duke PR head John Burness, and other members of the Duke administration and BOT, including Brodhead and Steel, indicate a worrisome level of coordination.

It is possible that Bob Ashley was taking "marching orders" directly from Durham's "largest employer", Duke University. If so, the culpability on Duke's part for damages done to the lacrosse players is astounding.

9/10/07 12:20 PM
Anonymous said...
JLS says....,

re: anon 7:40

Sorry but you are wrong in two dimension:

1. Mangum crying rape and IDing three people is plenty of evidence for indictments. That is why the DA and the police to a lessor extent are to be checks on false allegations. It is what is called prosecutorial disscretion.

2. While NC should record the grand jury testimony, the BIGGEST program by far with the NC system is the case management system allowed in Durham which unbalances the balance between the judge and the DA. The judge is no longer neutral and must do the DA's bidding or risk getting nothing but unimportant cases. Getting NC judges back to neutral in cases is the most fundamental reform needed.

9/10/07 12:23 PM
Anonymous said...
Here are my unanswered questions:

1. Why has CGM not been prosecuted for making up a story. Im sure if thre was as much effort toward investigating what she did and whatr she said throughout the whole process, it would be clear she knew what she was doing and was using those in power who hate Duke to facillitate her actions.

2. Why is it three kids from Duke wrongly accused of a crime and who had a DA withhold evidence who can afford good lawyers not only get vindicated but can threaten to sue and likely settle various entities for millions of dollars without ever having served a day in jail or been convicted of anything yet a man in the same state, under very similar circumstances, gets convicted because of these actions and winds up on Death Row(Gell) yet after he is shown freedom, the DAs do not get disbarred and the proper entities sued for millions and a settlement achieved with little or no fight?

3. If the boys deserve all they can get for what happened, why do we support this so easily yet stand in silence when the community of Durham has entirely too many people living off the government and nothing is done. If the proper people took action to eliminate this social welfare in the same way they pursued justice and civil damages in a slam dunk case, I would think that maybe this wasnt just another example of those with the means clamoring for justice when justice is on their side so easily. The toughest battles seem to be the battles no one wants.

4. How do people like Victoria Peterson exist and why are people afraid to stand up to her and those like her. We have become so afraid of being labled racists that we allow someone like her to act in a way that would get a white person fired or shunned by society. The militant black is a scary thing in this country and they use their race to justify being some of the scariest and stupidest people in the world?

4. What happens to Nifong civilly and criminally from here? Will he do real jail time? Does the buck stop with him because he had the final decision or do his enablers and encourages deserve the same punishment?

5. What happens to Broadhead? Why is he still in any position of power at Duke?

6. What happens to the city of Durham from here? Does it become a city of those who are tied to Duke and those who live in the projects and live of the government because middle class folks leave in droves because of the economic and social dynamics that derive from this case?

7. Why is justice geared so toward someones economic standing and not their skin color unless there is a consensus that blacks are and always will be unable to be the economic equals of anyone. By making this case about race, is it the latest acceptance by the black community that they are as a whole failures?

This has been a fascinating case for me to watch.

9/10/07 12:30 PM
Debrah said...
A letter in the H-S:

Lacrosse players wrong to punish whole town

I read with some dismay that the three young men falsely accused of rape, kidnapping, etc. are now intent on "raping" all the citizens of Durham because of the actions of a few. I did not vote to place Mike Nifong in office.

Nifong alone used the case as a means to elicit enough votes to remain in office. Mine was not one of those votes. While I have and still sympathize with these young men, and certainly agree that changes in our system are needed, I cannot support their attempts to take my hard-earned tax payment and line their pockets and those of their lawyers.

I am innocent of any harm to the three men, and like them would welcome an opportunity to prove that innocence in court I would gladly serve on that jury.

John Robbins
Durham
September 10, 2007

9/10/07 12:45 PM
rrhamilton said...

Penny said...
Here's a question in line with my earlier statement, why did the hospital administration allow Tara Levicy to be point person in this high profile case?


I've wondered the very same thing.

9/10/07 12:46 PM
Anonymous said...
Check out the BlueNC blog and see how the Duke-3-haters are getting ripped to shreds. Too funny.

9/10/07 12:50 PM
Anonymous said...
Why doesn't KC's book
answer any of these
questions ?

9/10/07 12:50 PM
Anonymous said...
Debrah at 11:20 a.m. writes "[Nifong] is indecent, no doubt, but I believe that he is definitely mentally ill. All joking aside, he has to be."

I'm inclined to agree with Debrah's conclusion. Are there any mental health professionals out there willing to give an armchair analysis of this guy? Is he just a narcissist or is he a sociopath truly unable to feel any sense of remorse for the wrong he has inflicted on the accused, the other players, the bar of NC, his town, his family, etc. There has to be a name for what ails him.

9/10/07 12:50 PM
Anonymous said...
Why not interview Freda Black?

Since there are no current ADA's that have been forthcoming about the former DA's indescretions, then Freda Black(former ADA - fired by the now former DA) is the obvious go-to person for "what's in the closet".

9/10/07 1:00 PM
Anonymous said...
How did the Durham PD gain access to the dorm?

Ed

9/10/07 1:02 PM
Debrah said...
Info update:

My local Barnes & Noble as of today has a good stock of UPI and it is still being displayed in several locations inside the store...with a store window display.

Good!

I know KC has a book signing at the Regulator later in the month. Perhaps his publisher should set up one for this area B&N as well.

9/10/07 1:06 PM
sceptical said...
On "Until Proven Innocent":

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KC and Stuart,
Your agent and your lawyer need to urgently pressure your publisher to do additional printings. Whoever advised you to start with a 13,000 printing was foolish. No new book should have a 3-6 week wait on Amazon and not be available in many bookstores. It is ironic that a book about a fiasco is a fiasco. I feel bad for you and Stuart after having put your heart and souls into this book.

sceptical

9/10/07 1:08 PM
Anonymous said...
I have a couple of lingering concerns:

1. What has been the impact on the internet based exotic dancing economy? Surely many otherwise willing and eager customers to one of Durham's vital industries have been scared off by Ms. Mangum's behavior. The complete absence of criminal convictions for pay-for-sex crimes there strongly implies political complicity. Who speaks and looks out for the interests of the young men and women who now have difficulty finding employment in their chosen field?

2. Based on what I've read (particularly in Pressler's book) about Crystal, her services typically commanded fees in the low two digit range for a variety of putatively extralegal activities. How in the world did she stumble in to a gig paying $400!! for two hours of dancing?

3. Have the guys on the team who masterminded(?) this affair learned that you NEVER pay contract workers in full before satisfactory work has been completed? Roberts' resume strongly suggests that, as soon as she got paid, she no longer had any incentive to 'work' and rapidly (and successfully) looked for and found a 'reason' to leave with the loot. I think it's unlikely that 'Precious' would or could have come up with anything that 'clever' on her own and her reported pleas to Roberts to go back to 'make more money' after they had initially left the party support that conjecture. Obviously, this was in direct opposition to Roberts' plan to take ALL the money and dump the impaired Mangum before she could sort through the complexities. Little did Roberts know that Mangum was apparently incapable of sorting through anything even under the best circumstances.

Off topic. I had a depressing chat with a golfing buddy of mine about the case. He has not followed it closely but was perfectly willing to share with me his conviction that it's inconceivable that the lacrosse players didn't do SOMETHING that fateful night. I'll send him a copy of your book (and that should take care of him), but he's not stupid and used to be a college student and finds the likelihood of shenanigans completely credible. I had erroneously assumed that only the diehard, racist faithful would continue to cling to that myth in the face news of the players' exoneration and Nifong's disbarment and criminal conviction.

Sigh...

RL Duke alum medicine '75

9/10/07 1:09 PM
Anonymous said...
KC, I most likely will never meet you personally, but I have a huge debt of gratitude to you for your investment of time and moral courage to provide the quality of scholarship and dectective work that are evident in the book ( I am in tears as I read it) and on this blog.

In my mind, there is still a missing link... I have said it over and over on this and other blogs. WHY IS CRYSTAL MAGNUM SUCH A HOT POTATOE THAT NO ONE HAS CONNECTED THE DOTS?

WHY DOES SHE REMAIN UNINDICTED?

IS THERE ANY TRACEABLE CONNECTION BETWEEN HER AND ANY MEMBER OF THE DPD?

To me, it is TOOO obvious that something stinketh here, and it is more than just the fact that this woman is mentally imbalanced.

I may be wrong. But I just know in my gut, that you will find some footprints of her services somewhere with somebody who would be bigtime embarassed.

Maybe this is not appropriate input to the blog, but I am pretty much a "nobody" so there is no where else for me to register this opinion.

I hope somebody is listening or reading.

We are most likely not on the same sides of some political issues, or even social issues, KC, but I have tremendous respect for your integrity. And I thank you once again, on behalf of many grateful people, for giving us this window of opportunity to try to take back some of our institutions.

It has been said that "You can neither heal nor change that which you do not first acknowledge." You have forced us to acknowledge. The rest falls on our shoulders.

God bless you in your next endeavors. I suppose many of us wish you would permit us to journey with you... on a new blog... on new subjects. Is that a possibility?

You have become "Professor of History" to a larger audience than you might have imagined. Might you consider an "online university"? .... lectures only please! No credits, no papers to grade, just an investment that makes a difference.

dsl

9/10/07 1:11 PM
Anonymous said...
My number 1 question is also what happened in all the time it took Kim to drive from 610 Buchanon to Kroger. That would have been a rookie cop's first question.... certainly one beggin followup.

9/10/07 1:29 PM
Anonymous said...
My questions:
1) Jesse Jackson, have you "found" CGM yet? Last interview I hear you on, you said you couldn't find her! I can't believe operation PUSH can't afford to find her!
2) Once you "find" her, will you still be paying for her tuition? LMAO
3) So, exactly what is CGM doing now?

9/10/07 1:31 PM
Anonymous said...
Who's numbers are (were) saved in CGM's cell phone????

9/10/07 1:33 PM
Debrah said...
Here's an unanswered question for Durham residents who say they are not to blame for this Hoax and who think everyone should move on:

Why do most of them still support the likes of the popeyed wonder Diane Catotti as a city council member?

Latest news shows she has even been endorsed by the mostly conservative group--Friends of Durham.

This is a woman who has rabidly supported Mike Nifong like a torrid lover even after it became known that his case had no evidence and even after it became public knowledge that he had botched it in a very shameful way.

She was a part of his fraudulent election campaign in the Fall of 2006.

Catotti has strong ties to members of Duke's Gang of 88 and is openly supportive of their rush to judgment, bigoted, and white-male-hating views of the world.

This is an example of how the citizens of Durham move forward.

9/10/07 1:36 PM
Debrah said...
TO 1:08PM--

You sure chose the right moniker.

Just replace the "C" with a "K" and you're set!

skeptical

9/10/07 1:51 PM
Debrah said...
What was the level of cooperation between the Duke PR office and the Durham Herald-Sun in creating a public bias against the Duke lacrosse players?

From the start, there was a constant barrage of "guest columns" from members of the Gang of 88. Orin Starn was allowed almost an entire editorial page.....an over 1000-word, anti-lacrosse diatribe.

This is what began my campaign of almost weekly screaming sessions with them.

They would not offer the same kind of largesse to the opposing view.

Of course they were, and are, in bed with Duke.

In Durham, besides the state and federal government, Duke University is a steady stream of easy money......more programs and access for the needy...don't you know?

Both the H-S and Duke placate the black community constantly to keep order in the town.

It's the closest any of us will come to seeing a banana republic in operation other than Washington DC, Atlanta, and perhaps Detroit.

9/10/07 2:05 PM
Gary Packwood said...
Anonymous 12:50 said...
...Are there any mental health professionals out there willing to give an armchair analysis of this guy?
::
Hopefully not.
::
GP

9/10/07 2:08 PM
Debrah said...
TO 1:09PM--

These guys were kids and had no experience in the field of hiring strippers.

Giving the money up front as the women asked was their way of complying.

It reminds me of myself close to that same age. I've never liked business and to this day have to be led kicking and screaming with respect to "negotiating" in money matters.

The first time I bought a car, I went inside the dealershp and saw the one I liked...and without even "haggling" or attempting to "negotiate", I told them which one I wanted and paid the sticker price.

We have to live and learn.

LOL!!!

The lacrosse guys were also trying to be respectful of these women and quite to the contrary of the portrayal in the media, the fact that they accepted the women into the house even though they had ordered a "different product"...speaks volumes toward their lack of racism.

They were young and gullible and were just trying to have some fun....like millions of university students their age.

9/10/07 2:18 PM
Anonymous said...
Off topic. This is not a nitpicking correction because I expect UPI to go into a second printing (and with updated material).

On p.393 of UPI Nanerl Keohane's name is misspelled, and she is listed twice in the index, once correctly and shortly later incorrectly.

KC, do you know where more information on her role in the Larry Summers firing can be found?

9/10/07 2:21 PM
Anonymous said...
Debbie,

"sceptical" is a variant of "skeptical," which makes it 100% acceptable English usage.

9/10/07 2:23 PM
Anonymous said...
Well, I finished the book last evening and thought that it was really well done. There was much that I learned that was not in the newspapers, so I am grateful to the authors for their effort.

However, I was left totally drained and depressed because there was no closure other than Nifong's disgrace. I hope the families just crush the city in their lawsuits, which the city will probably pay for via a special assessment they place on the university.

So the questions I would pose are: Have the group of 88 Duke professors no shame? Has Duke's administration no shame? Has the Durham police department no shame? Has Nancy Grace no shame? Has the New York Times no shame? Has the NAACP no shame? Has the Durham Herald newspaper no shame?

These people and groups are supposed to be protectors and defenders of rights. They deserve to be scorned for their actions and inactions.

Thank you for this blog.

9/10/07 2:26 PM
scott said...
Uh, oh 12:05 PM --

You have just exposed yourself as being insufficiently politically correct.

The PC Police have already been alerted. You can expect to receive your notice as to when and where to report for orientation / indoctrination any minute now.

9/10/07 2:36 PM
Ralph Phelan said...
"No new book should have a 3-6 week wait on Amazon and not be available in many bookstores. It is ironic that a book about a fiasco is a fiasco. I feel bad for you and Stuart after having put your heart and souls into this book.

sceptical "

Having one's publisher unable to keep up with demand is the sort of "problem" most authors can only dream of.

9/10/07 2:37 PM
Ralph Phelan said...
Another "follow the money" question:

Where were the "wanted" posters printed?
Who paid for them?

9/10/07 2:41 PM
Anonymous said...
Does Cystal pay income taxes on her high earnings?

9/10/07 2:42 PM
Anonymous said...
I'd like to know which names of Durham officials and members of the DPD were in Crystal's little black book.

9/10/07 2:43 PM
Anonymous said...
the shoe, the shoe.

Did Kim or Crystal know the security guard at the Kroger's before the night in question?

9/10/07 2:46 PM
Penny said...
Are there any mental health professionals out there willing to give an armchair analysis of this guy?

I'll take a shot at it as a psych nurse. Nifong appears to me as a narcissist and anti-social personality disorder. Google the DSM IV and look under Personality Disorders. His only regret is that he got caught. HE was misunderstood. Typical anti-social.

I wouldn't invest a lot in Magnum's diagnosis as a Bipolar, it's become a very throw-away diagnosis now days unless determined by a good clinician over time. A Borderline Personality disorder often mimics it. Good clinicians are reluctant to make a definitive diagnosis when clients are substance users. I doubt there has been a long enough interval in Magnum's life that she wasn't using.

It's inexplicable to me that when she presented at the ER with her erratic and flippant statements they weren't filtered through her avoidance of a psych admission, present employment and drug use history.

I read KC's book cringing at how bad nursing started this nightmare into play. I can't say enough about the revulsion I feel toward Tara Levicy. I've worked in a university hospital system, Duke's comes up short.

9/10/07 2:48 PM
Anonymous said...
My unanswered questions are:

1. Why hasn't Crystal Mangum been charged for filing a false report?

and,

2. What the hell was Nifong on at the time of his "do not pass go, do not collect $200, go to jail" photo?

The lost look on his face suggests either someone who just plowed a big field of recreational chemistry or just plain thinks the whole thing is a joke, or maybe both.

9/10/07 2:49 PM
Anonymous said...
12:50 -- did you also note that the haters can only reply in 4 letter Anglo-Saxon expletives?

9/10/07 2:53 PM
Anonymous said...
Check out Steve Marcus' review in Newsday.

9/10/07 2:53 PM
Anonymous said...
Why hasn't anybody in the media interviewed Crystal Mangum in the last few weeks? Is she in hiding? Given her willingness to tell her stories before, it would seem that she would be willing to tell additional ones now.

9/10/07 3:16 PM
Debrah said...
TO 2:26PM--

I agree with you.

The book, like this blog Wonderland, is stellar.

But I, also, am left with an aching feeling of a need for punctuation to this Hoax.

It's like a chord progression in music where the listener is taken to a grand crescendo....then left hanging at a high pitch without a resolution chord.

But it also reflects the reality of the situation.

None of the destructive players in the case have paid the way they should....no real resolution as there should be.

Which means only one thing: KC has to write another book!

LIS!

9/10/07 3:20 PM
Anonymous said...
What were the carrots and sticks that were under discussion for approving the zoning for Central Campus, before the LAX affair gave Duke enough leverage to shame Durhan into approving this?

How much of a $30M settlement would Duke pay (via taxes -- IOW, what fraction of the Durham tax base is represented by Duke)? What if the taxes paid by Duke employees were included in this?

9/10/07 3:27 PM
Debrah said...
Wahneema Lubiano opines:

"I'm a post-structuralist teacher-critic leftist. What I've written here is what I do whether I'm thinking, teaching, or engaging in politics (including strategizing). I think that it is part of my privilege, my work, and my pleasure to insist that those three activities are not clearly demarcated. Learning to live with the difficulty of not being absolutely sure and the comfort of not having to be is my reward for being critical about totalizing narratives--especially when we call them the truth."

Well......this certainly explains why this destructive moron is completely comfortable while exercising the liberty to do and say anything she wants.

What a worthless human being.

9/10/07 3:31 PM
Anonymous said...
Question:

Why was a high-earning hooker described as "poor"?

9/10/07 3:34 PM
Ralph Phelan said...
Anonymous 9/10/07 2:26 PM, too answer your questions:

None whatsoever.

9/10/07 3:43 PM
Ralph Phelan said...
"Anonymous said...
I'd like to know which names of Durham officials and members of the DPD were in Crystal's little black book.

9/10/07 2:43 PM"

I'd like to know which Durham officials and members of the DPD left their DNA in her....

9/10/07 3:44 PM
no justice, no peace said...
Inre: "Does Cystal pay income taxes on her high earnings?"

Beautiful!

If the State AG won't file charges against CGM for being a lying whore, then maybe the IRS will go after her for income tax evasion.

The Al Capone approach...

9/10/07 4:01 PM
no justice, no peace said...
By the way, in response to the question,"Is ________a communist?"

I've come to the conclusion that few if any could possibly be communists, including many in the Klan of 88.

It occured to me that communists, though extraordinarly evil, are not that stupid.

Useful idiots, that's for sure, but communists, I think probably not.

On the other hand maybe the PC crowd has successfully dumbed-down communist/marxist theory.

Oh yeah...in the form of a question...

Have the Klan of 88 dumbed-down communism/marxism theory so far that rational minds discount that they are representing communist/marxist ideology in such a way as to render true intelletuals speechless regarding their intentions?

9/10/07 4:10 PM
Anonymous said...
Surprisingly, Steven Marcus' review in Newsday (Sept 10) of Until Proven Innocent is one of praise.

9/10/07 4:17 PM
Anonymous said...
Has anyone thought to check the DNA from "The Louvre" against the national DNA database? Is it possible that one of Crystal's appointments earlier in the day on March 13th was with someone who wears a blue uniform (without a Blue Devil on it)?

9/10/07 4:30 PM
Anonymous said...
Exactly WHO tipped off the news media about the lacrosse team showing up to have their DNA taken?

You're right about following the money on:
1) Crystal's housing and support for those many months.
2) SOMEONE or SOME ENTITY had to pay for the "Listening Ad"- where did the money come from?

TexasMom

9/10/07 4:36 PM
sceptical said...
http://www.newsday.com/sports/college/ny-s...,2652508.column

Duke of all has his say

Steven Marcus
September 10, 2007

Nearly everyone connected with the Duke lacrosse case has heard of K.C. Johnson, the Brooklyn College professor who became the undeniable authority on all aspects of the headline grabbing scandal that Johnson fastidiously chronicled in his blog Durhaminwoderland.

Johnson's words stirred a frenzied crowd and brought along, perhaps (at least privately) to Johnson's chagrin, a cartload of ultra conservative thinkers bent on vilification of the stripper, the media, the university and the justice system. One blog entry from Johnson was worth at least a thousand words of approval from his attentive fans on the Internet.

Johnson, again unintentionally, may have appeared to be pandering to the Internet crowd but in reality was setting the stage for what must be considered the official record of Duke in the just released ``Until Proven Innocent,'' which not only lays out a solidly written literary and legal history of the case, but exposes the justice system of one small town and leaves one to conclude that not only can it happen again, but is occurring all the time, albeit under the media radar.

snip

9/10/07 4:40 PM
Anonymous said...
I've always wondered who was it that made the cotton shirt remark and was he planning on coming forward at a trial to exonerate the other guys. I've also wondered who were the second two guys picked up by the cab driver who supported Reade's alibi. The cab driver said that the two discussed if the police would be called and one said something to the effect of, 'forget it, she's just a stripper'.

9/10/07 4:57 PM
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...

12:50 -- did you also note that the haters can only reply in 4 letter Anglo-Saxon expletives?

9/10/07 2:53 PM

Yes, but f*#@ those f*#@ing f*#@ers ...

9/10/07 5:02 PM
Anonymous said...
KC:

Only one question:

Why have there been no pictures ever shown of the bathroom where the alleged offenses took place?

Ken
Dallas

9/10/07 5:13 PM
Gary Packwood said...
Penny 2:48 said...

...Are there any mental health professionals out there willing to give an armchair analysis of this guy?

...I'll take a shot at it as a psych nurse....
...I read KC's book cringing at how bad nursing started this nightmare into play. I can't say enough about the revulsion I feel toward Tara Levicy. I've worked in a university hospital system, Duke's comes up short.
::
You took a 'shot' at analysis of Nifong as a psych nurse and Tara took a 'shot' at analysis of Precious as a SANE nurse...and you feel revulsion towards Tara Levicy...the SANE Nurse?

Does this seem odd to you?

At least the SANE Nurse laid her eyes on the patient!

Why do I get the feeling that RN's have been attending bi-weekly assertiveness training workshops since Y2K and you have all overdosed on the training.

Sheesh!
::
GP

9/10/07 5:14 PM
Anonymous said...
4:57 PM - I don't think you are seriously wondering anything, just trying to continue to slime the kids.

Nice try though.

9/10/07 5:32 PM
Dukex4 said...
A question:

Who made the first complaint about Nifing to the NC Bar? Recall he wanted (or demanded) to know the person's identity as well.

Dukex4

9/10/07 5:47 PM
Anonymous said...
Concur with 5:32. Good news is no one is listening to them.\
KC> continued thanks and hopes for successful future. If Steve Markus can come up with a positive review after all the damage he did in his own writing, I think that speaks volumes of your pursuit for truth and justice in this case.I hope it does help others to do the same for other wronged individuals. Thanks again.

9/10/07 6:06 PM
no justice, no peace said...
Inre: "...I've always wondered who was it that made the cotton shirt remark and was he planning on coming forward at a trial to exonerate the other guys..."

This has been a point of confusion for me as well.

Did the comment suggest that the shirt was made in China or India?

Was he referring to a nice Madras or a possibly a standard, crew, or v-cut, t-shirt?

Would the abettors give him a pass were he referring to a Che Guevera's t-shirt - the one with the murderer wearing the sassy tam?

And what in the world was Kim Roberts point?

Maybe some of the relativists within the Klan of 88 can help clarify?

Robert's comment reminds me of the Richard Pryor bit about the two black guys having the contest to see which has the largest unit.

They go out on the Golden Gate bridge and the first pulls his unit out to urinate and exclaims, "Brother, this water is cold!"

And the other, responds, "Yeah, and it's deep too."

So in that context the lacrosse player's unit was almost 220 feet (clearance above mean higher high water)long. Does that qualify as little?

Maybe the Attorney General could investigate the language use that night instead of what appears to be a criminal conspiracy to violate many innocent citizens?

9/10/07 6:08 PM
inman said...
njnp @ 6:08

There were actually three guys at the bridge. The third guy resonded to the first two:

"Yeah,...and its got a sandy bottom."

9/10/07 6:41 PM
Anonymous said...
How many names and email addresses are in Wahneema Lubiano's email filter?

Is this her idea of dialogue?

9/10/07 6:52 PM
Anonymous said...
question: Is "Friends of Duke" an apt title for this blog site?

Personally, I don't want to be friends with a moronic administration that is so afraid of blacks that it relaxes all academic standards for them.

Perhaps Duke needs to die, just like that other PC-drenched school that closed this year.

9/10/07 7:30 PM
ABC said...
I'll take a shot at being an armchair psych nurse....

Nifong reminds me of a patient I received in chains one night on the locked ward. The state police brought him via helicopter from the scene of an attempted murder and house blaze. The guy tried to commit suicide by cop but his friends on the state police force wouldn't kill him. The patient, like Nifong, was bull headed, imperious, and even after what he had done his buddies in the state police would not abandon him. He broke so many laws and hurt so many people but after laying low for awhile he was back where he started - with a badge and a gun. Nifong must have a manipulative and charismatic personality, no conscience, no understanding nor care for other people's feelings, He lies, cheats, and yet has a growing fan club.

Diagnosis: Both men have antisocial personality disorder and are sociopaths. Most people with conduct disorders end up in the justice system. The two examples here are on the wrong side for now.

9/10/07 7:51 PM
rrhamilton said...
Steven Marcus is doing the newest 88ist head-fake: Pretending to praise KC but really trying to promote the latest lying metanarrative (after the collapse of their first one).

"Johnson, again unintentionally, may have appeared to be pandering to the Internet crowd but in reality was setting the stage for [first, the pseudo-praise] what must be considered the official record of Duke in the just released ``Until Proven Innocent,'' which not only lays out a solidly written literary and legal history of the case, but exposes the justice system of one small town and leaves one to conclude [... wait for it! ...] that not only can it happen again, but is occurring all the time [yes, "all the time"!], albeit under the media radar [the NEW blue wall of silence, this time by the media!]."

At this rate expect them soon to say with a straight face, "And remember, Nifong was a Republican."

9/10/07 7:53 PM
Penny said...
Hey, Gary, I'm not pretending to diagnosis Nifong in a clinical setting, get real.

Someone asked for a stab at what's wrong with the guy. I gave it.

Psych disorders don't require x-rays or lab values for validation. Psych is behavioral, the observation of a pattern of behavior. Nifong has supplied a pattern both verbally and in his actions for the past year. I doubt you'd find many people to defend that he isn't an anti-social.

Your last sentence is ridiculous. Whatever your problem with nurses in general doesn't belong here.

9/10/07 8:14 PM
Anonymous said...
Gary Packwood said...
Brant Jones 7:39 said...

...After several failed attempts at identification, how did CGM just happen to pick three of the richest players on the team? Was she coached on selecting these in order to facilitate a healthy settlement from the players who would fear a he said/ she said trial?
::
Brant asks a key question I believe if we are ever to understand the extent that Duke faculty and students were directly and indirectly involved in moving the hoax forward.
::
GP

9/10/07 9:25 AM

=====================================================================
This a great point. Someone (?a lawyer) was able to find out about these 3 guys. You are right its unlikely these 3 were chosen by accident.

9/11/07 12:29 AM
Debrah said...
To RRH--

KC liked the Marcus column.

To highlight it in such a way means he agrees with what was said.

Ha!

Who would have imagined? Old disgruntled Horwitz was right.

9/11/07 12:32 AM
Anonymous said...
Penny said...
Hey, Gary, I'm not pretending to diagnosis Nifong in a clinical setting, get real.

Someone asked for a stab at what's wrong with the guy. I gave it.

Psych disorders don't require x-rays or lab values for validation. Psych is behavioral, the observation of a pattern of behavior. Nifong has supplied a pattern both verbally and in his actions for the past year. I doubt you'd find many people to defend that he isn't an anti-social.

Your last sentence is ridiculous. Whatever your problem with nurses in general doesn't belong here.

9/10/07 8:14 PM

========================
========================
Who knows? But the psych field tends to overlabel everybody.

What about "unethical jackass"? No matter what personality d/o he has: he wasnt bright enough to get into Duke, is a liar, and is unethical.

9/11/07 12:33 AM
Anonymous said...
debrah,

what are you saying Horwitz was right about?

RRH

9/11/07 12:36 AM
Debrah said...
TO RRH--

That KC was not exactly as I had envisioned.

The rushing toward a column and the things said by Marcus?

Not what I expected.

9/11/07 12:46 AM
Anonymous said...
ah ok.

KC is a product of his environment. Smarter than most of them, but not able to escape the facts that he was (1) born in Massachusetts, (2)to public school teacher parents, and now (3)is a university professor (4) in Brooklyn. Do any of those four give a turn of mind that would lead KC to challenge the underlying assumptions (sometimes called "the metanarrative") that gave rise to the Lacrosse Hoax?

RRH

9/11/07 12:51 AM
Anonymous said...
The metanarrative did not give rise to the hoax.

What gave rise to the hoax is whites' fears of black people, and blacks parlaying that realization into more AAAS and no prison for the whore.

Really, does anyone in the real world believe that whites gang-rape homely black women. The converse, of course, is a commonplace in America and Europe.

9/11/07 12:59 AM
Debrah said...
TO RRH--

I don't categorize people like that.

You don't think everyone in the northeast is a liberal do you?

They certainly are not.

And contrary to the grotesque stereotyping of the hapless clown Mr. Marcus, not everyone supporting the lacrosse players on this blog is a conservative.

How can I be a conservative? That man is crazy.

9/11/07 1:02 AM
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I am a professor of history at Brooklyn College and the CUNY Graduate Center, where I teach offerings in 20th century U.S. constitutional, political, and diplomatic history.
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Anonymous said...

Here's an unanswered question: Why does KC, who so diligently (and arguably obsessively) blogs every detail of the Duke Lacrosse saga, ignore stories that concern the players efforts to gain a financial windfall from this case? This weekend, all the news wires and major papers were reporting about the players' $30 million demand -- that's $30 million for a case in which the accused were never brought to trial, never spent an hour in jail, and in which the unquestionable pattern of wrongful conduct had imploded in about 7 months. No one disputes that they are entitled to some money, but $30 million, on top of an undisclosed sum paid by Duke (another topic KC takes care to avoid in his daily postings) is greedy and grasping. Did the cat get KC's tongue, or is there a whiff of intellectual dishonesty in his selection of topics, i.e., he only blogs on topics that put the players in the best light?

Anonymous said...

2:18:

I can see your point (about the "windfall", not about KC). The guilty must pay, but yes, sometimes the victims "have enough". I have no problem with Durham being dinged for $30 million, but on top of the $30 million Duke already rumored to have paid,$60 million seems like a lot for the 3 Laxers. But that's our system.

Given that Crystal's false charges may lead to a chilling effect on the victims of REAL interracial rapes, I would like to see some of the money from Duke or Durham spent on, say, a Centre for the Study of Interracial Rape. Or maybe each April 11th, the anniversary of the AG's dismissal of the charges, Duke and Durham can sponsor teach-ins and other actitivies to acknowledge the suffering of REAL victims of interracial rape. Would you join in supporting this?

Anonymous said...

0239 I think studying interracial rape won't get much traction as it would expose and highlight the disparity of predominantly black on white rape which is not to be spoken of or acknowledged. Please do not ask embarrassing questions.

Anonymous said...

Leaving aside the rate of occurrence of interracial rape, why devote resources to it instead of, simply, rape? Is there something inherently more heinous about interracial rape than about any violent rape? Isn't this the very sort of thinking that led many in the rush-to-judgment crowd astray--the idea that a crime involving people of two different races must, necessarily, be racially motivated? [At least, in the view of the pot bangers, if the alleged criminal is white and the alleged victim is non-white.]

Ralph Phelan said...

Anonymous 9/11/07 3:45 AM 9/11/07 8:34 AM


The whole "interracial rape" thing is an attempt to tweak the PC by rubbing their noses in umwelcome facts. Treat it as satire.

However, if the 3 want to really say "It's not about the money, it's about the justice," how about asking for some extravagant sum in punitive damages to be paid to the Innocence Project? Or maybe some of the money should be reserved to pay for a review of every case prosecuted in Durham in the last 20 years.

And

Anonymous said...

After learning that Duke has so many clearly ignorant feckless imbeciles on faculty and in the Administration -- where can parents go for a refund of the costs incurred to purchase a Duke degree for their children?

How many Duke degrees are being removed from walls and put out of sight?

Anonymous said...

A few other questions:
Who at the DPD broke into a players dorm room and sent the phoney email pretending to be him confessing?

What exactly did Crystal tell the reporter in the first interview that the newspaper has yet to release information?

Whose DNA was inside of Crystal?

Why hasn't Crystal been held accoutable?

Anonymous said...

Both DUMC and the NC Nursing Board know that Levicy is not imcompendent - that her frame is stuff made up by Kingsbury and carried forward by you, KC, and some of your pals. None of which is true but true witch hunt. What happened to her testimony at the Nifong trial? Even he did not blame her for his actions. I never had much sympathy for Evans - after all he planned the party and hired the strippers. Total lack of judgement. Collin and Reade were the major recipentants of his bad judgement, but the team took a hit also when their season was cancelled. Like others, I am losing concern for the Laxers due to the bloggers who have made them into "saints."

Anonymous said...

Anon says:


I never had much sympathy for Evans - after all he planned the party and hired the strippers. Total lack of judgement. Collin and Reade were the major recipentants of his bad judgement, but the team took a hit also when their season was cancelled. Like others, I am losing concern for the Laxers due to the bloggers who have made them into "saints."


Hey, great idea. Why don't you write a book about it. Maybe you will be heard by as many people as KC has been. Nah, you're probably one of those Gang of 88 losers.

Tell you what, I've never had much sympathy for Mangum. As soon as I heard that she had made false rape allegations in the past, it seemed clear to me that she was a bad idea.

Anonymous said...

No - not an 88 loser. I have no sympathy for poor Crystal but I do have empathy for this demented woman. Nifong ran this deal and no one else except the help he got from the judges. Those are the guys who need to be investigated 0 including SMith.

Anonymous said...

'However, if the 3 want to really say "It's not about the money, it's about the justice," how about asking for some extravagant sum in punitive damages to be paid to the Innocence Project?'

I suspect that they will end up doing more or less that -- after they have fully paid their lawyers' well-earned fees, and all the debt that some of the families went into to cover those legal fees, I do expect that we will hear about some of those millions being earmarked for the Innocence Project or some other project seeking an end to the prosecutorial misconduct which they had first-hand experience of.

Anonymous said...

Few may be aware of this, and it does not appear in the book "Until Proven Innocent", but Richard Brodhead has a track record of rushing to judgement with disregard for due process.
In 1998, a Yale female undergraduate was found murdered in New Haven after having visited the house of her professor, political scientist James Van de Velde. Professor Van de Velde was interrogated by the New Haven police and released. He was never charged. Despite that, Brodhead, who was then Dean of Yale College, summarily suspended him, thus ruining his promising academic career forever. Sound familiar?
Duke alumnus